Curse You Magic Beans
Junior Camper
When did this thread turn into an argument of The Simpson Gene for some reason
Its a common complaint in regards to Lisa the Simpson, and its the reason why I dislike the episode.When did this thread turn into an argument of The Simpson Gene for some reason
Oh okIts a common complaint in regards to Lisa the Simpson, and its the reason why I dislike the episode.
Personally I can only view it as an unfortunate product of the time where the only way it seemed there was to big up women was to put down men as basically stupid overgrown children. What makes it kinda sad is that 9.9 times out of 10 the people writing that were men cause they, in their clumsy mid to late 90's way, thought that was how to be progressive. Well there was a cynical edge to it too as that was what sold. At the time you saw a bunch of bumbling idiot men messes up yet again, as the wise totally together women rolls their eyes at them in advertising.
I really don't think it does mean that though. She said it yes, but that doesn't mean that it's true nor even that she believes it herself. The episode is resolved with Lisa feeling better and the weight of evidence across the series shows that Simpsons gene can't be real (Homer's many successes, Uncie Herb, Grampa's coming across as a competent army sergeant in Flying Hellfish) so the only conclusion I can draw is that it's a load of hooey they let Lisa keep believing in to make her feel better in that moment. I really don't feel like I'm editing anything by making that conclusion. (You are right that it ultimately doesn't matter that much though )Does mean mentally deleting everything said by Doctor Simpson though. She said it, it's in the episode, and that's how the episode is resolved. Sure if you want to have your own personal non-problematic edited version, then hey more power to you if the result is something that you love. It's just an episode of an animated show. It ultimately doesn't matter that much.
So what you're saying then is that de Nile isn't a river in EgyptI really don't think it does mean that though. She said it yes, but that doesn't mean that it's true nor even that she believes it herself.
Okay that did make me laugh.So what you're saying then is that de Nile isn't a river in Egypt
The Simpson gene at workWhen did this thread turn into an argument of The Simpson Gene for some reason
Aww maybe I'm just too mushy hearted but I absolutely love this little moment.Either way, I personally don't like how Lisa acts in this episode. At the end she gets happy again when she learns she's not doomed to become a dumbass like her father and brother, and that's how she reconciles with the former. Oof.
I'm glad you do, honestly ! Because I don't like something doesn't mean I'm opposite to people enjoying it, of course.I dunno, I genuinely do understand where the criticism for Lisa the Simpson comes from, but it's one of the episodes closest to my heart and it's been such a big favourite for me for such a long time that I just can't see it negatively at all.
Oh yeah and vice versa too! There's no problem at all if someone doesn't like something I do enjoy. Sometimes something just clicks for some people and not others and that's totally fine.I'm glad you do, honestly ! Because I don't like something doesn't mean I'm opposite to people enjoying it, of course.
Not to start a debate, but I feel like people's problem with Lisa the Simpson and the Simpson gene thing is that it's terribly a reduction of the characters' struggles (Bart and Homer for example). Is it a good episode? Yes, yes it is, I don't think it's great but it is fascinating to unpack. But I definitely wouldn't take it entirely as a statement from the characters' text, because in any case the thesis is a bit contradictory—forgetting that in that same season we have Lisa's Sax, who showed why Bart is the way he is and why he came to become the naughty boy we all know. And in the case of Homer, well... It's even sillier considering that in any case it was Abe who crushed Homer's potential early on ("Quit your daydreaming, melonhead").
Anyway, speaking of that particular quote; Grampa vs. Sexual Inadequacy which is the best study of father-son relationships, along with the best story (and use) of the Homer-Abe duo in the series for me. Also Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield is my favorite Marge story of the entire series and I will always shout it from the rooftops.
I dunno, I genuinely do understand where the criticism for Lisa the Simpson comes from, but it's one of the episodes closest to my heart and it's been such a big favourite for me for such a long time that I just can't see it negatively at all.
Lisa The Simpson also gets points for one of the most clever reference jokes in the franchise.
(For those who don't get it, Yertle the Turtle is an allegory for the rise of fascism)
Yeah I agree it’s a really heartwarming ending and a great episode in generalAww maybe I'm just too mushy hearted but I absolutely love this little moment.
It's just sweet and adorable and makes my heart melt every time. A real highlight for me! I dunno, I genuinely do understand where the criticism for Lisa the Simpson comes from, but it's one of the episodes closest to my heart and it's been such a big favourite for me for such a long time that I just can't see it negatively at all.
Ha ha I was totally unaware of that. I just thought it was possibly the best book ever written on the subject of turtle stacking.Lisa The Simpson also gets points for one of the most clever reference jokes in the franchise.
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(For those who don't get it, Yertle the Turtle is an allegory for the rise of fascism)