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    I don't necessarily mean that its depiction of the media circus is outdated (the way that Rock Bottom is willing to manipulate the truth to such a huge degree still rings true and in some ways was a premonition), just that since sexual assault is generally seen as a bigger deal and a more serious matter nowadays, it's kind of hard to watch an episode that makes light of (accidental) sexual assault and the social fallout surrounding it. Also, it seems like the fact that (even before the Rock Bottom special) most of the people who believed the accuser were portrayed as raving lunatics probably wouldn't fly now.

    Like, the issues it discusses are more prevalent now than they were when the episode aired, but the drawback to that is that it's very easy to view the episode as taking a stance on specific facets of the "discourse" that probably couldn't have even been conceived of when the episode was written, and even if you logically know that the episode wasn't trying to imply XYZ, it's still hard to emotionally distance yourself from that mindset when you're watching it

    IDK, it might just be that my view of the episode has been tainted by people who use this episode as an excuse to call anyone who has a sexual assault story a liar
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    I don’t see what’s so unpopular about those
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    I don’t agree

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    The first 'Treehouse Of Horror' is the best one. The later ones of the classic seasons were much funnier but when it comes to effort, artistry and tone (with a highlight on the darker stuff) I'd say it comes out on top (and 'The Raven' is one of the best segments they every did, though the other two are about just as strong).


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    I love the first Treehouse of Horror too. It's not my personal favorite (that mention goes to Treehouse of Horror V) but I'd say it was a wonderful special and probably the second best among the thirty editions. I liked all three segments (truly loved the first one) and, well, there are a lot of things that make of it one of my favorites episodes. I detailed it in my review.

    I dare to say Treehouse of Horror (the original) is the episode when they did the best job in animation, colours, shadows, sound-mixing and all those kind of things that make an episodes beyond the writing (with was fantastic too).
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    I'd say 4's my top one, though I already mentioned a lot of why in that thread. There's a fair bit of atmosphere in that one. But I'd say 1's still right up there and was downright artful. Think a lot of the earlier thoh's definitely had their own feel to the animation, 4's got a lot of lively expressions for one!

    It's odd though, I seem to often find the series more enjoyable in episodes that kinda downplay the comedy angle (well, 4 is not one of those examples but 1 definitely is) maybe because then the humour pops a little more (like Marge getting a giant, serrated knife... to spread butter)

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    I actually have always thought O&W's THOHs were better than Mirkin's. Not to say Mirkin's THOHs aren't some of the best things ever to be broadcast on television, I just like the O&W ones better
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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Infinite Space View Post
    Hans Moleman has become overused and unfunny.

    But then that's true of every character on the show now.
    I disagree. Every character is still good for at least a few laughs. Hans Moleman seems like he is still used rather sparingly, though.

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    When people complain about the quality of the show dropping, in this case its subtlety or handling of LGBT+ stereotypes, they often go to "Flaming Moe" and compare "The League of Extra-Horny Gentlemen" to "The Anvil". While there are things you can compare with that, I think this comparison is completely unfair. They served different purposes. The entire point of "The League" was that it was overly stereotypical and a "normal" gay man like Smithers or Mr. Largo wouldn't be allowed in there. "The Anvil" was supposed to be there for the element of surprise. This is comparing apples and oranges.

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    Here is a really unpopular opinion of mine: I prefer both the Mirkin era and the Oakley and Weinstein era over the Jean and Reiss era. The Jean and Reiss era was more grounded and slice of life than the later two eras, which is fine and all, but I just think that the slightly more fantastical later two eras had more memorable storylines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangdos View Post
    Here is a really unpopular opinion of mine: I prefer both the Mirkin era and the Oakley and Weinstein era over the Jean and Reiss era. The Jean and Reiss era was more grounded and slice of life than the later two eras, which is fine and all, but I just think that the slightly more fantastical later two eras had more memorable storylines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
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    I might have said the opposite before, maybe. But I think my mind's changed and it might be a pretty unpopular opinion.

    I don't mind Skinner and Chalmers as a duo.
    It's a bit jarring that Chalmers is almost always at the school alongside Skinner when that's not even the only school he inspects but otherwise I actually started to find their moments to be amongst the funniest of them.


    I feel like Chalmers' constant presence is a bit of regret amongst the writers, in that they didn't make him the Principal and Skinner the Vice Principal or something. And I do miss Skinner's old characterization but it's not wholly incompatible with how those two are now. Skinner always held authority in high regard and as early as Seasons 3 and 4 was sycophatic towards Gary.
    Just sayin', there's a good reason the Steamed Hams bit was such a great moment.

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    Hey, I agree. I still laugh at the SKIMMMMER! joke from the crossword episode.


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    Or in Blazed and Confused (iirc) where he addresses all the principals in the same tone. It is a little odd how often he's around Skinner but at the same time as far as characters in today's era go, he's one of the better ones.

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    Maybe it's a bit of a hot-take but honestly, for all folks say about shark-jumping, the show can definitely be good again. It wouldn't be exactly like the classic era, there's some things we've lost and can't get back (Phil and Marcia's characters, for one) but in its' own way, it could still be just as good. Hell, it could potentially be even better.

    Potentially being the keyword. I really don't think it's going to happen with Al Jean and a lot of the other old blood still where they are, it'd probably take a major shake-up or reshuffling and not because they can't get the show up to that kinda quality, they've occasionallly shown they can, like with Halloween of Horror, which was good enough to be almost universally beloved even by me (and hell, I don't even like half of the Lisa eps that are held in high regard like Lisa's Substitute and Summer of 4ft 2. Guess that's another hot-take right there)

    And that right there is probably why so many of us still watch and yet get so frustrated. The unpleasant, mean-spirited tone? The warped characterizations? Wasting secondaries that could do so much more? The over reliance on guest stars? The plots that take half the ep to start up and then go nowhere? All but maybe one or two of them are entirely fixable. Get some really good writers in and it probably wouldn't even be that hard. Good writing continued to exist in places outside the show after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venomrabbit View Post
    Maybe it's a bit of a hot-take but honestly, for all folks say about shark-jumping, the show can definitely be good again. It wouldn't be exactly like the classic era, there's some things we've lost and can't get back (Phil and Marcia's characters, for one) but in its' own way, it could still be just as good. Hell, it could potentially be even better.

    Potentially being the keyword. I really don't think it's going to happen with Al Jean and a lot of the other old blood still where they are, it'd probably take a major shake-up or reshuffling and not because they can't get the show up to that kinda quality, they've occasionallly shown they can, like with Halloween of Horror, which was good enough to be almost universally beloved even by me (and hell, I don't even like half of the Lisa eps that are held in high regard like Lisa's Substitute and Summer of 4ft 2. Guess that's another hot-take right there)

    And that right there is probably why so many of us still watch and yet get so frustrated. The unpleasant, mean-spirited tone? The warped characterizations? Wasting secondaries that could do so much more? The over reliance on guest stars? The plots that take half the ep to start up and then go nowhere? All but maybe one or two of them are entirely fixable. Get some really good writers in and it probably wouldn't even be that hard. Good writing continued to exist in places outside the show after all.
    I believe that you are right. If we imagine a scenario where the show was given to a completely different creative team, I believe it could be great. After all, there are a ton of clever comedy shows being produced right now. Just imagine the team behind one of those shows being given The Simpsons, and it could be amazing.

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    Yeah, I kinda look to shows like Gravity Falls as something like that, which is almost like if Treehouse of Horror was a series. The good ones that didn't need to be depressing and miserable and rely on tons of gore and ended up able to be more effective for it... I mean I think it had Oaklet and Weinstein on it too.
    Hell, the whole thing about recycled plots I see talked about a ton could probably be easily rectified just by caring more about the side characters... not that I think "immediately give them an episode" is the solution but there's several long-runners that get thrown to the sidelines. Maybe just letting them have more of a say in plots like Mr Largo in "Girl's in the Band" would work, did for that ep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoSimpson89 View Post
    From what I've seen around the web, it seems seasons 9 and 10 are regarded as the downfall.
    I don't really think there is a downfall. Certainly not at the magnitude the web would have you believe. The only real problem is the characters that serve no other purpose but being a love interest for every single character (i.e. Shauna).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoSimpson89 View Post
    From what I've seen around the web, it seems seasons 9 and 10 are regarded as the downfall. I don't see that at all. I consider both of those seasons classic, and even most of 11. 12 is also great imo, but that's when I myself started seeing the cracks.
    To me, season 8 is the start of the downfall. Season 9, downfall is real. Season 10, it's accomplished.
    I don't even own DVD box sets from season 10 onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Infinite Space View Post
    As with most of the post classic era, the gags borrow much too heavily from films,
    I don't think that's really possible. Parodying stuff has always been something The Simpsons does.

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    I like that the show goes on ad-infinitum, despite its decline in quality, and would rather have these newer episodes of lesser quality than for the series to have ended after season 9 or so. For me, just seeing the characters I know and love, even if the jokes aren't what they once were, puts a smile on my face.

    I'd say that I want the show to continue until a main voice actor dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PilotCat1 View Post
    I like that the show goes on ad-infinitum, despite its decline in quality, and would rather have these newer episodes of lesser quality than for the series to have ended after season 9 or so. For me, just seeing the characters I know and love, even if the jokes aren't what they once were, puts a smile on my face.

    I'd say that I want the show to continue until a main voice actor dies.
    But then the writers could not incorporate their characters properly into a farewell episode/series of episodes/film? Unless they ended the show on a random storyline!

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    Well, they probably won't do it right anyway.



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