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    An overlooked potential future: Bart as a cop

    I watched Separate Vocations last night, and I really like the possibility of Bart being a police officer in the future. It’s more realistic than Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and it can involve the high stakes and life on the edge that Bart craves. I enjoyed his scenes in Separate Vocations and think he could have some real talent at being a police officer. He’s also shown that he can be intelligent in some situations, such as his aptitude in deciphering Nelson’s handwriting. I would love to see more of him on the police force.
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    I have seen this sentiment before (with the 'Separate Vocations' plot referenced and all) and it's one possible future for Bart I can get behind (it would be very interesting and it does make sense due to his interests, etc. like you say). It's pretty weird they never explored it in some way in any of the future episodes, instead settling on the unimaginiative and by now pretty dull "Bart as an untalented deadbeat loser" option over and over.
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    It has been a long time since I saw that. I can picture Bart as a cop. He made a great hall monitor. Instead of going the route of him being a dead beat loser, they should have made an episode of him joining the Police Academy, go thru the training, explore the highs and lows and finally being a detective. Seeing him replace Chief Wiggums would be great and who knows, he might be Comissioner.

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    well there were a couple of occasions in the comics where he could have been a lawyer too considering that he saved Lisa and Homer's asses on two separate occasions

    kind of makes me sad that Bart was good at what he did in that episode and he threw it away for Lisa's sake. A part of me wonders if there was an alternate ending out there that reveals that a glitch in the system that said Lisa would be a home maker but it was actually meant for someone else


    you know, i'm starting to think that Stickin Around may have had done endings that showed how a simpsons episode could have ended(they had an Aptitude test episode too, but it didn't bring down any of the characters confidence). I actually wish Homer's enemy ended the same way as the episode Casa-Blank stare
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    I always thought Bart was too anti-authority to be a cop, but that episode made the idea believable.

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    In Lisa's Wedding he's in demolition and they usually don't let idiots knock down buildings without some knowledge.

    About being a cop, I can see him doing it. Lou as his aging partner. Cheesing after hot and cold chicks. But this is before the writers got an agenda and turned him into a loser or try to make him into a sociopath. But that topic has already been discussed.

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    Ultimately i think Bart just wants someone to encourage him. He acts out because that is the only way he gets attention but when he's told he can do something he becomes extremely motivated, which is why he showed such promise in being a cop or just becomes much better behaved in general. Sadly in there no longer seems to be anyone willing to do that.

    i always thought bart's life would turn out similar to My Cousin Vinny. he would do something like construction to work through his issues before going into law. spend years as a competent lionel hutz i.e an ambulance chaser, before getting an opportunity to show off his skills.

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    @toushin I felt that " Gorillas on the Mast" was an insult to Bart and even us fans. Makes me wonder if the writers even watched the older Simpsons episodes and/or if Al Jean is getting senile in his age since Bart has done plenty of things that were altruistic; although, a lot of the times they blew up in his face. Still there is someone who cares. Also, they seem to write him as a 10 year old amd Lisa as an adult. I think he would be a great cop since the only reason he fell on the sword at school was to save Lisa's ass. Very altruistic I think.

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    The future mentioned of Bart being Chief Justice of the Supreme court is the main one the fans (us) bring up. I never really liked it to be honest, I never thought it really suited his character. It seems to me it was brought up in the show as a joke. Given the context, it was just the most wild, bizarrely successful career that you could think of... and it was being handed to Bart Simpson.

    I quite like @toushin 's idea of Bart turning out like My Cousin Vinny. It suits his character, and I like the idea of the adult Bart being a bit of a chancer. Someone manipulative and intelligent enough to be successful, albeit, in an slightly unconventional and comedic way.

    Bart as a cop was always a bit overlooked, and it's not bad either. But since Springfield's police force is portrayed as pretty incompetent, lazy and corrupt, it's maybe not the best idea.

    But perhaps there's a better future for Bart Simpson. I really liked the future they showed in Barthood, by the end of which he becomes an artist. Something just seems right about it. Maybe it's because there's no real joke at the root of it, like the other proposed careers from the rest of the series.
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    Yeah, chief justice is kind of in a similar ballpark to president Lisa. Feels a bit over the top.

    I wouldn't say policework is terribly suited to Bart either but he seemed pretty into it in Separate Vocations. Though, I can't help but wonder if part of that was just that he liked being appreciated and having some sort of hope in life...
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    How is Bart gonna be a cop he's 10

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    Well, It isn't a bad idea. If we consider Bart's reputation and character, I wouldn't be so surprised if they did a spin-off series with all the characters getting old and Bart being a cop.

    It wouldn't work though. We know from the start that Lisa is the 8 year old child prodigy and Bart the 10 year old troublemaker. One thing that defines the Jean-era is the change of the shift to the show. Now, Lisa is the girl with big dreams and she has to succeed in every little thing she does. Bart on the other hand is shown to be a sociopath and someone who is just there to be the punching bag. This is the only thing I dislike about all this. It isn't surprising that Bart became a brat with a catchphrase.

    I like " Separate Vocations " and I would love to see Lisa as a homemaker. I think it would make some great jokes and a fine episode. They need to make a future episode about Lisa and her relationship with Zia and Milhouse, because it felt a little rushed in " Holidays Of Future Passed "

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    Whether you like the episode or not, Holidays of Future Past got the family relationships between Bart, Lisa and their respective new families pretty much perfect.

    Of course, Bart is still some kind of deadbeat with no real prospects. I can see why fans are frustrated with this portrayal of him, and I probably would have been on board with everyone in the past.

    But, lets say that at the beginning of Holidays of Future Past 40-year-old Bart was accomplished, living a middle-class life with a job like Homer's.

    It doesn't exactly make for good writing, does it?

    I think we forget that Bart is given a bit of a character arc go on during Holidays (the episode, we have to remember was written to be the final ever episode of the show). We're shown Bart at a low point in his life, and we see the results of living life without concern for the past 30 years: Jobless, nearly homeless, his wife left him, his kids hate him... you get the picture. We even see his life gradually going downhill during the Christmas card pictures during the episode opening

    That's the way we're introduced to Bart at the beginning of Holidays.

    But during the episode, Bart realises his life isn't going anywhere, and makes it his mission to win his kids back. At the very end when he's done so, Bart specifically mentions that it's time for him to grow up (granted, to act like a 20-year-old, but hey, it's a start).

    Now bearing in mind this was written as the last ever episode of the show, this scene suggests, to me, that there's hope for Bart Simpson yet. That now that the show is over, he's going to turn his life around, and move on from the character we have got to know.

    Holidays shows that Homer has turned his life around. He's stopped drinking, seems less impulsive and calm, and is a genuinely good grandfather to Bart's kids - to the point of jealousy from Bart. I assume once the episode is over and the show has ended, Bart turns his life around too.

    I've also seen people mention how Lisa appears to enjoy an easy, successful life in Holidays but Bart does not, which is received as unfair.

    But when you think about it, Lisa isn't exactly living the dream either. While she's clearly working some financially successful career, any actual problems lie in Lisa's personal life: She's got stuck with Milhouse in Springfield (and even confesses to Bart she's not certain if she should have married him); plus, she's struggling to connect with her teenage daughter at any level.

    And since Lisa's job remains unspecified during the episode (to be clear, I'm very aware I'm reading into this far too much at this stage), it's possible there's a point being made here: Success, on paper, has always come easy to Lisa. Continually doing well at school, attending a prestigious university, straight into employment - but its always been things outside of these categories that she struggles with, and from the very beginning too, as shown in Moaning Lisa.

    So really, it doesn't matter what job Lisa has in 30 years' time. That was always going to be taken for granted. Unlike Bart, who obviously was never interested in any of that stuff.

    Plus, in relative terms, you wonder if in Holidays of Future Past, has Lisa achieved her potential? After all, she still appears to be doing something pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things (considering how she is built up in the rest of the show, you can decide for yourself whether you think THAT'S right or not of course).

    Now of course, perhaps the vision of Lisa Simpson being president of the USA might be a bit far-fetched. But, perhaps she could do something a bit lower down, like the Mayor of Springfield in the future? I don't think Lisa Simpson helping her hometown into the future is the worst idea.

    Matt Groening once cited Lisa as his favourite character, because he believes Lisa is the one character he believes will eventually escape Springfield. I like that.

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    The problem is that a major plot of the Future Episodes (Future Passed, and Future Future) is showing Bart getting over his divorce of Jenda. With Holidays of Future Passed showing how he was letting this effect his relationship with his kids. However the plot point they actually stressed in that episode was that children always like their grand parents better than their parents. Yes bart is shown to be a little neglectful but neither he or Lisa despite their problems are shown to abusive in any way. The whole point of this is to absolve Homer and Marge of responsibility especially sense they get all the benefits of this Aesop but none of the consequences like Abe. Heck even Mona was at least called out for her choices.

    That’s why I don’t like these episodes if it wasn’t for that I would @Mícheál that it made for a good plot but with it shoe horned in (they even made a point of showing Abe be an asshole to Homer and his grandsons) the whole thing is ruined. Which is why I also don’t like the two son’s they just personify this. Bart is never shown to be abusive in any way, just going through a bad divorce and a deadbeat. So trying to go the not so different route with homer is just bad writing. It goes back to the is bart meg conversation.

    The connection with the earlier future episodes

    Him becoming the chief justice showed where his untapped potential could lead him

    Him becoming a deadbeat musician was a cautionary tail

    Him a wrecking ball operator and a double divorcee in his mid-twenties

    In all three of these he’s happy in the later ones he’s just this miserable loser.

    The same with Lisa her being president is just as farfetched as Bart being chief but her being incredibly successful isn’t. the problem comes when the show makes it so that only one of the children can be successful.

    It is far easier to root for a lisa that gets into Harvard at 18 then one who gets into yale at 16.
    It’s the same with her yes she is shown to have trouble connecting with her daughter, but she doesn’t prey that she gets sick or trick her into doing something she didn’t want to do.

    I don’t like her ending up with millhouse they tried to copy the same dynamic as fry and Lisa or more accurately futurama copied it from them and got it to work. The girl doesn’t like the guy but does gain confidence from his admiration so get’s upset when he moves on. The problem is Milhouse isn’t fry he’s neil from family guy a creppy loser who will ruin it the moment he’s given a chance. They fact he grows up to become kurt and already unlikable dynamic is icing on the cake.


    Bart being accomplished, living a middle-class life with a job like Homer's may not be exciting writing but it is good. We’ve gone through 30 years of homer and Marge gradually becoming more and more neglectful and abusive it never sat well with me that they get a happy ending while their children end up miserable.

    Bart and lisa don’t have to be kings and queens of the future but they should be happy.

    We’ve like the show has also forgotten that Bart has a number of skills and nest eggs that should set him for life.

    He’s is a polyglot and can speak several languages with varying degrees of fluency.

    a skilled chef.

    has a natural inclination to dance

    repeatedly shown shown considerable leadership prowess

    he’s very talented at craftsmanship

    his chemistry skills.

    He should have millions of dollars from his Oscar short, tea shirt sales, homer’s viagragain commercial.

    As unfortunate as Barthood is it does prove my point that what he really needs is just encouragement. Homer and Marge refuse to give it to him instead they abandon him when he needs them most. Play the victims when he acts out as that’s the only avenue he has left to gain positive feedback and take advantage when he does succeed.

    Barthood’s route probably is the best one for Bart when he hits 18 just shut his family completely out of his life, maybe join the military it’s already shown to be a good influence stay as far away from Jenda as humanly possible and just work on himself.

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    I was kinda suggesting in the earlier post that Bart would find lead a successful, happy life after Holidays of Future Passed, because since it was written as a last ever episode, what he would do next is simply left up to our imagination.

    Of course, the show goes on, and they went back to the original way of writing him in Days of Future-Future. But there's not much you can do.

    The bright future for Bart at the end of Barthood is one of the many reasons why it's so great. Granted, he's still 18, so maybe things go wrong along the way, but that might make for an interesting episode one day.

    By the way, whats kinda forgotten about the futures of the Simpson kids, is what Maggie ends up doing. In Holidays of Future Passed, she's presented as a world-famous rock star (so really it's Maggie who did the best out of the three kids), with the irony of her being called "The voice of her generation" in one scene not lost on anyone. Of all the things they've had the Simpson kids doing the future, Maggie's is just perfect in terms of the choice the writers made.



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