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    Quote Originally Posted by CousinMerl View Post
    @John95, I see, but it's just that I tend to translate someone giving an episode a C to an 3/5, which explains why I'm a bit confused over him saying the episode is bad and yet gives it an middling C- rating which is an 2.5/5 in my opinion (this goes for anyone whom say an episode bad, yet give it an okay-ish rating). It's just the way I view it, of course.
    I think his C is equal to 2.5/5, while his C- is equal to 2/5. You catch my drift.

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    @angeldeb82, that would explain it. I'm used to the norm over here that C equals 3/5, C- equals 2.5/5 and so forth and not knowing of how he does his ratings threw me off a little.

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    I always like the general theme of Christmas episodes, and this one is animated well and has some funny moments. Unfortunately, the plot and the pacing of this one leaves much to be desired. Further, Sideshow Bob's appearance was completely unnecessary. Ever since the THOH episode where Bob kills Bart, I find myself cringing whenever I find out that he is going to be in an episode. While he was at first a comical failure in his attempts to murder Bart, his actions towards the boy in the previously mentioned THOH episode make him a sick, twisted figure IMO. I find neither amusement nor pleasure in watching him interact with Bart, with Bob's previous appearance in "Gone Boy" the notable exception due to the sole fact that he realized that killing a defenseless child was wrong. It is apparent that in this episode most of the events of "Gone Boy" are forgotten, as upon seeing Bart Bob immediately moves to strangle the kid. Now, I realize that Homer constantly strangles Bart in what is supposed to be comic relief, but in this scene Bob is fantasizing about "watching the life drain" from Bart's eyes as he repeatedly tightens the cord around Bart's neck. He ultimately decides not to strangle Bart, not because it would be horribly wrong but because he is apparently an actor now. He then goes about helping the family, while Homer and Marge are either oblivious to the fact or simply don't care that he nearly strangled their ten year old son. "SB" being Smithers and Burns was revealed in a very straight to the point manner, probably because they wasted too much time fitting Bob into the story.

    This episode would have been far better without the appearance of Sideshow Bob. Its the same story with him over and over, and the unpleasant and cruel nature of Bob's goal in killing a small, innocent child have become tiresome. 2/5

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    If there was a character who really needed an evolving, it was Sideshow Bob. He seems to be stagnant in his recurrent attempts to kill Bart and the character asked yelling for a new facet. The idea of giving him suddenly a wife and a son there in seasons 17 failed miserably. But the idea of him rediscovering himself explored in his last appearance was successful and give fresh air for his biennial episodes.

    Bob is now living in a lighthouse and trying to surpass Bart but... It is a hard goal.

    In a show where the status quo is practically an unbreakable rule, I'm glad to see they haven't forgotten what they built for Sideshow Bob after the credits of the wonderful Gone Boy. This show needs desperately to evolve some secondary/minor characters that are irrelevant nowadays. Experiment with a character who has been present on the show since the first season is a risky but necessary move. So, he is now living in a lighthouse. He still tries to kill Bart eventually but it's not one of his life goals. Yeah, the problem he has with the kid well torment him forever, but it's nice to see him searching a job, trying to find his vocation, and sharing moments with Bart without threat him. And although it seems like their relationship changed, it actually keeps similar than ever. They have the same hate/regard feelings for the other one. Bob hates Bart for moments, but he doesn't have problems to have a conversation with the kid or working together. He even tries regularly to claim the image that the boy has about him. Meanwhile, Bart is generally scared with Bob for a probably suddenly moment of craziness in which he could die, but he doesn't have a problem to provoke and irritate him with his typical antics. Their dynamic, though it changed, is one of the best of the show currently. The tension is still present in each moment together, but it could become in anything because their relationship is unstable. I especially like it when Bat distrusts of Bob. Here, we have a scene with Bart hitting Bob in the head with a giant candy. Or my personal favorite, when he takes a shotgun to be saved when they ride together.

    The only way to climb on a car with someone Wo tried to kill you several times.

    Talking a bit more about Sideshow Bob, I want to remark especially the fantastic voice acting of Kelsey Grammer. As always. You know, I am not a big fan of musical moments, but listen to him singing is always a pleasure. He did a great musical duo with Cassandra. But I don't think his character actually needs a girlfriend/wife. Not because he already has one -although, it is an important factor-. Just because it is not Sideshow Bob's style. He must be alone, creating those perverse and elaborate plans to burst sporadically in the life of Bart or some other, not being wasted in a romantic adventure. I don't have a problem with Cassandra. She was a charm and sympathetic character. But the criminal doesn't need a partner. I liked how he saved Christmas here, using his intelligence to bring back Mr. Burns to 1935 and acting like Santa like he has said he enjoyed. It was nice to see his human side to help one of the less human people in the city who, by the way, here he was extremely sensitive and vulnerable. The user of the ancient is my biggest complaint to the episode. I can understand why they used him -he gives a solution to the SB clue- but he was totally out-of-character. Unlike Bob, Burns is pure evil (or that's what I tend to think). And his resentment with his parents was a twist hardly to believe. Plus, it was a bit lazy resolution. Fortunately, they wrapped this with a lot of jokes that worked well: Homer asking why Smithers manner is before Burns in the clue, little Burns having privileges and going to school on Christmas, little Abe asking Santa to get married to his mom, Smithers working on Christmas. It was not the most satisfactory end but it seems like that for moments.

    Did you someday imagined to watch something like it?

    I like how they handled the suspense and mystery. It reminded me of Homer Is Where the Art Isn't in terms of absurdity and how nonsense were some elements of the story. I've read some of you criticizing the gag of Lenny talking with the Police after writing the SB on the floor. But I found it extremely funny. It represents the style that the story tried to take. Maybe I understood a joke that not even exist, but I think Lenny didn't say anything because it wasn't interesting to him, not because he couldn't. That made me laugh intensely. Lenny is one of those characters that are funny only in a simple cameo, so I am truly pleased to see more from him. His plan falling was particularly funny just because he was the protagonist. Another absurd aspect was Sideshow Bob entering in a small box -it was also a great blow-up of his past as partner of Krusty- and being kicked and moved like the box would be empty. The Christmas aspect facilitated a lot the development of the story, besides both plots were related to the festivity. Some characters had their moments on screen thanks to that, finding a twist for typical situations they are at.. Gil's poverty, Krusty betting in the Dreidel Casino, Kearny trying to don't get blood on his Christmas sweater, another news from Brockman or Wiggum discussing with Lou. I find repetitive the appearance of Selma since it was the same pun executed in Wedding for Disaster. But I liked to see the Captain again. Christmas also was useful to create an atmosphere and some nice transitions like the one with Santa Claus in the space with his reindeers and gave you a short and tender couch gag.

    I just loved this screenshot.

    Others who have had some interesting moments were... the Simpsons family members! Yeah, it is their show but once again they were relegated to the role of supporting characters. I am not complaining about it. It's great to me to see how other characters got their moments of development, and I am frankly in favor of this trend of season 31. I've already talked about Bart's relationship with Bob. But I want to add that the criminal brings out the best version of the boy. With him, Bart is a kid, a restless and a joker but principally he's smart; not a stupid or sociopath. The rest of the family just appears in some scenes a bit inconsequential to the story. Homer, for example, had that scene when he tries to take a picture with Bob -dressed as Santa- without a permit. And I laughed a lot when he mistreat that box when Bob was inside, doing innocently everything possible to prolong their work. But my favorite one was Maggie remeeting with those gnomes that generated nightmares at her in another episode. I loved that sequence with this perverse horror-related ride. Baby Gerald disappearing give it a hilarious touch. Another polemic scene was the one of Baby Shark. I don't have a problem with that. It was cute and shows the family enjoying something as a family. Nothing more or less than that, so I can't understand where the critics come from. What I can understand are the critics about guest stars' roles. All of them were forgettable and unnecessary. The epilogue, with Burns talking with who-knows-who, was one of the most boring I remember.

    Merry Christmas from Szyslak100 to everyone!

    I am surprised by how many bad reviews it got. Sideshow Bob deepened his evolution but it wasn't an improvement, principally because Cassandra is not accurate for Bon. Christmas's resource improves the quality of an episode that handled a mysterious and intriguing story but that didn't have a convenient ending. It has strong failures, like Mr. Burns wrong characterization, that doesn't allow it gets the appreciate 4/5

    3/5
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    @Szyslak100, I agree with you on many accounts. The episode was pretty charming for what it was and had a lot of pretty well executed moments, even though I still think the story and material itself was just alright and mostly pretty much your standard Christmas fare. It's a fine one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CousinMerl View Post
    @angeldeb82, that would explain it. I'm used to the norm over here that C equals 3/5, C- equals 2.5/5 and so forth and not knowing of how he does his ratings threw me off a little.
    His ratings usually work like this

    A-/A = 5/5 (with some flaws)
    B+ = 4.5/5
    B = 4/5
    B- = 3.5/5
    C+ = 3/5
    C = 2.5/5
    C- = 2/5
    D+ = 1.5/5
    D = 1/5
    D- = 0.5/5
    E/F = 0/5

    Phil has given one episode of Family Guy “High school english” an E (F if you’re American) and a D- to “Legend of Old Ulises” from American dad.

    Phil thinks C’s aren’t really good. So if he says isn’t good it will most likely be a C-/D+ or “just bad” like “I want you (she’s so heavy”, he gave that one a D.

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    Here we go, the Simpsons's early winters that start in late November and end after January, unlike our real-life winters that start in January and go until the end of March! But of course, Springfield is usually one of the few places in the USA with a white Christmas due to the power plant emissions and tire fire (even last year's "'Tis the 30th Season" hinted at this!)
    This was a unique short opening, for sure.
    Homer trying to inflate his Santa by mouth and then with car exhaust was pretty funny, along with Homer trying to do it!
    Why am I not surprised the Pimple-Faced Kid is working at Santa's Village? I also wasn't surprised to see Krusty at the Dreidel Casino, given how he's Jewish and he gambles.
    Hey, it's the Hug-a-Bull from "'Tis the 30th Season!"
    When Sideshow Bob is wearing the Santa beard and wig, he looks a lot like his father.
    Hey, Bart didn't even scream before his standard "SIDESHOW BOB!!!"

    Heh, the random lightning above Santa's Village, accompanied by the usual WB-gunshot-style thunder effect.
    I also liked the callback to Homer being a mall Santa, 30 years ago.
    Oh yes, I've often used the flashlight feature on my iPod Touch.
    Heh, Bart grabbing a shotgun so he could ride with Sideshow Bob made me laugh as well.

    Santa's head almost freezing over in outer space was pretty amusing as well, and started to remind me of that infamous "Magic School Bus" episode where Arnold attempts to commit suicide on Pluto (which I combined with "Life's a Glitch, Then You Die" in a YouTube video.)

    Heh, I KNEW "SB" meant "Smithers and Burns!" It's almost like how I was easily able to figure out some Scooby-Doo mysteries.
    Hey, the snow is starting to melt on Christmas morning! That's kind of different. Except the snow never melts in the Simpsons' front yard. They must have some kind of secret (like maybe they've been using man-made snow as a decoration?)
    When Tress MacNeille started out voicing Cassandra, at least she initially used a different voice than the one she always uses for incidental/one-off females.
    The graphics during the end credits were also nice.

    Not too bad, I give it a 3 out of 5, because it's a Christmas episode, and it had some genuine laughs, but of course it's still a far cry from "Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire."
    BTW, is it just me, or is Kevin Michael Richardson about to join Pamela Hayden and Tress MacNeille in appearing in every episode?

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    You should never forget the one quote from Sideshow Bob himself:

    "Hello-ho-ho, Bart!"

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    Finally getting around to rating this one.

    Bobby, It's Cold Outside is arguably the least inspired Sideshow Bob episode of the series. Season 29's Gone Boy was a terrific episode and could have served as a nice send-off for the character, but The Simpsons being what it is simply can't leave well enough alone. This was redundant and dreadfully dull in addition to having poor pacing and a lack of humor. I didn't mind the continuity with the lighthouse, the Burns twist at the end was a nice little character moment, and I'm glad Sideshow Bob wasn't out for blood, but I can't think of anything else worth a positive comment.

    A 2.5 rounded down to a 2/5.
    SEASON 31 GRADES

    The Winter of Our Monetized Content - 3/5 / Go Big or Go Homer - 2.5/5 / The Fat Blue Line - 3/5
    Treehouse of Horror XXX - 2/5 / Gorillas on the Mast - 2.5/5 / Marge the Lumberjill - 2/5
    Livin' La Pura Vida - 4.5/5 / Thanksgiving of Horror - 5/5 / Todd, Todd, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me? - 3.5/5
    Bobby, It's Cold Outside - 2.5/5 / Hail to the Teeth - 2/5 / The Miseducation of Lisa Simpson - 3.5/5
    Frinkcoin - 3/5 / Bart the Bad Guy - 4.5/5 / Screenless - 4/5 / Better Off Ned - 1.5/5
    Highway to Well - 3.5/5 / The Incredible Lightness of Being a Baby - 3/5 / Warrin' Priests (Part 1) - ?/5
    Warrin' Priests (Part 2) - ?/5 / The Hateful Eight-Year-Olds - ?/5 / Way of the Dog - 4.5/5

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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodySimpsonChibi View Post
    It was a pretty meh episode but I like that girl who was hitting on Sideshow Bob. 5/10
    Hey BSC... am I rounding this score up to a 3 or down to a 2 for the community poll?
    SEASON 31 RANKINGS
    The Winter of Our Monetized Content - 1.5/5 / Go Big or Go Homer - 2.5/5 / The Fat Blue Line - 3.5/5
    THOH XXX = Danger Things - 2.5/5 / Heaven Swipes Right - 1.5/5 / When Hairy Met Slimy - 2/5
    Gorillas on the Mast - 3.5/5 / Marge the Lumberjill - 2/5 / Livin' La Pura Vida - 5/5
    THANKSGIVING OF HORROR = A-Gobble-ypto - 3/5 / The Fourth Thursday After Tomorrow - 5/5 / The Last Thanksgiving - 3.5/5
    Todd, Todd, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me? - 3.5/5 / Bobby, It's Cold Outside - 2.5/5 / Hail to the Teeth - 1.5/5
    The Miseducation of Lisa Simpson - 2/5 / Frinkcoin - 3/5 / Maggie Simpson In "Playdate with Destiny" - 4/5
    Bart the Bad Guy - 5/5 / Screenless - 2/5 / Better Off Ned - 2.5/5 / Highway to Well - 4/5
    The Incredible Lightness of Being a Baby - 2.5/5 / Warrin' Priests - 2/5 / The Hateful Eight-Year-Olds - 4.5/5 / The Way of the Dog - 5/5

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    Based off how I rate things, make it a 3
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    A well-plotted, suitably festive episode that was maybe lacking a little on big laughs, and also could have really done with ending sooner - that final Burns/Ballmer scene really dragged and added nothing. Dragged a solid B down to a reasonable B-​.
    Season 31 Ratings
    The Winter of Our Monetized Content C+ Go Big or Go Homer ​C- The Fat Blue Line ​C+ Treehouse of Horror XXX ​C- Gorillas on the Mast ​B Marge the Lumberjill C- Livin La Pura Vida ​B- Thanksgiving of Horror ​B Todd, Todd, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me? ​C Bobby It's Cold Outside ​B- Hail to the Teeth ​D- The Miseducation of Lisa Simpson ​B+ Frinkcoin D+ Bart the Bad Guy ​B+ Screenless ​B Better Off Ned ​C- Highway to Well ​C The Incredible Lightness of Being a Baby ​C+ Warrin' Priests ​C- The Hateful Eight-Year-Olds ​B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless View Post
    A well-plotted, suitably festive episode that was maybe lacking a little on big laughs, and also could have really done with ending sooner - that final Burns/Ballmer scene really dragged and added nothing. Dragged a solid B down to a reasonable B-​.
    I'm not sure what score you intend for the poll here.
    You've been slotting your B episodes at a 4/5 for the poll and your C+ episodes at a 3/5 for the poll, but what score should I attribute to your B- episodes?
    Am I rounding up to a 4 or rounding down to a 3?



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