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    the court of public opinion should wait until mj's ghost has had a fair trial

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanna hilton View Post
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    That wasn't gibberish. That was german. And no one who can speak german can be an evil person so...

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    Hey maybe someone can help me out here but I was wondering has anyone tried looking up the script for Stark Raving Dad? I went to look at the lyrics of Bart's birthday song and either they were never there or they were all removed. Now it could have been removed because its copywritten by Jackson, but so is the script itself. I'm not even sure if Jackson has any rights to the song itself. When I listen to the song, I don't hear anything that warrants it to being removed. Plus, is Jean saying he used the song to groom boys? Sounds like a stretch. Then again I didn't watch the documentary and really have no desire to watch it either. Let me know.

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    @Shoskin The script still seems readily available.
    https://www.springfieldspringfield.c...episode=s03e01


    Edit: Oh wow, nevermind. The lyrics are absent. How bizarre. Could be because that website seems to use some word detection thing on the DVD subtitles and maybe the song is italicised, tripping it up.

    I think the grooming thing was mostly about the supposedly Michael Jackson spending time with the kids and staying the night at the house? I don't know. It does seem far-fetched. The lyric "and your first kiss from a boy" is often noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. View Post
    That wasn't gibberish. That was german. And no one who can speak german can be an evil person so...
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    I do wonderi in theory :

    Let's say "The Simpsons" people will now remove "Stark Raving Dad' from all possible media and year later will turn out that the documentary w as a hoax (I'm not saying it is, just in theory) woul dthey openly admit they where wrong?

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    @Mr. Hmm. Maybe? It's hard to say but if they can get away with not admitting anything I think they'll try to. Surely they'd have to put the episode back up for sale, and someone will notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Rage View Post
    @Shoskin The script still seems readily available.
    https://www.springfieldspringfield.c...episode=s03e01


    Edit: Oh wow, nevermind. The lyrics are absent. How bizarre. Could be because that website seems to use some word detection thing on the DVD subtitles and maybe the song is italicised, tripping it up.

    I think the grooming thing was mostly about the supposedly Michael Jackson spending time with the kids and staying the night at the house? I don't know. It does seem far-fetched. The lyric "and your first kiss from a boy" is often noted.
    But the thing is, Al Jean specifically accused Jackson of using the episode to lure and groom boys, and after watching the documentary, it just didn't feel right to them. I don't know how anyone would jump to such conclusions unless they already have twisted thoughts in the first place. Not even a single Simpsons or Michael Jackson fan cared about this or campaigned for the episode's removal. It was a move they proactively made themselves.


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    Al Jean stayed at Michael Jackson's house a few times, and noticed that anytime he visited, Michael would only play the episode to make Al Jean eat chicken nuggets with him. Only in a private chat did Jean confess to Matt Groening the horrendously undercooked nuggets, and the now-dated Simpsons episode, about how he felt lured to be an acquaintance with the famed celebrity. Calming him down, Matt watched the documentary and decided to delete the episode, more as a way to lure Al Jean into making him chicken nuggets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankbags View Post
    He didn't even sing on that episode.
    Not to mention that airing the episode (which was made and first aired decades earlier) in no way supports or benefits him financially.

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    Yaaaay! I got DVD of season 3!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutherford View Post
    But the thing is, Al Jean specifically accused Jackson of using the episode to lure and groom boys, and after watching the documentary, it just didn't feel right to them. I don't know how anyone would jump to such conclusions unless they already have twisted thoughts in the first place. Not even a single Simpsons or Michael Jackson fan cared about this or campaigned for the episode's removal. It was a move they proactively made themselves.
    They should let it stay you can't erase history

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    Ooh, back to this thread again. Any news if the DVDs actually changed? On Amazon UK, Stark Raving Dad is still in the product listing and the stock shortages are long over.

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    yeah I kept kind of saying that all that they're doing is giving people the urge to buy more dvds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rembrandt Q. Einstein View Post
    I can't blame them, but I figure people should be able to decide if they still want to separate the art from the artist in this case.
    They could easily make tons of money by appealing to both markets. All they have to do is release one box set without the episode including and one with it.

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    I'm questioning why anyone would buy a DVD set with one less episode if given the choice. It would make more sense (but still not much sense) to make it so that when disc 1 is inserted, you are asked if you want to be subjected to Michael Jackson. If you choose "no", the introduction by Matt Groening and Stark Raving Dad are removed from the main menu, and Play All skips that episode.

    I'm not sure what the general public's current stance is on the whole Michael Jackson fuss at the moment, but I feel James' (left-most guy from our view) reactions speak for themselves in this clip:

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    I did a video in early April about Leaving Neverland and why I didn't believe the accusers. This video has one of my reasons. More are to come. I just wish the creators of The Simpsons didn't believe the stupid documentary because I didn't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Rage View Post
    I'm questioning why anyone would buy a DVD set with one less episode if given the choice. It would make more sense (but still not much sense) to make it so that when disc 1 is inserted, you are asked if you want to be subjected to Michael Jackson. If you choose "no", the introduction by Matt Groening and Stark Raving Dad are removed from the main menu, and Play All skips that episode.
    It would be those members of the market who support the documentary and oppose Michael Jackson's portfolio. I find it difficult to imagine that they would want the episode on the DVD set at all. So, the best compromise feels like 2 box sets is the answer. Your suggestion is good too and would work, but it would inconvenience them by making them answer that question instead of just going right to the DVD, as well as anyone who actually wants that episode. I am not in the camp that wants this episode banned, so I cannot speak for them and would have to do more research to see what their points are but from what I gather I think they want complete distancing from the episode by The Simpsons compound.

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    I guess. I get the impression there's not enough people who would buy a box set with less content to warrant the production costs though. How many people are actually still under the hypnosis of that documentary? The claims are ludicrous if you actually read through all the documents.

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    That is what I am saying, though. It would not be less content. These people do not care about the episode, presumably. Therefore, buying a set with the episode on it is like buying unnecessary weight, whereas without the episode they get all of the content that they actually care for.

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    I still don't see the appeal, but maybe that's just me. I don't care much for clip shows, but does that mean they should be removed from the discs? No, it doesn't.

    There are very few people who quiver like a leaf when hearing the name "Michael Jackson", and there's still the issue of how you'd market it and if they'd have to sell Jackson-free versions of other seasons too.

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    I also did a rant about the news of Stark Raving Dad getting pulled from circulation, I will tell you I wasn't happy with the news.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Rage View Post
    I still don't see the appeal, but maybe that's just me. I don't care much for clip shows, but does that mean they should be removed from the discs? No, it doesn't. Yeah, those are not comparable. The Michael Jackson thing is ideology based, not a simple preference.

    There are very few people who quiver like a leaf when hearing the name "Michael Jackson", and there's still the issue of how you'd market it and if they'd have to sell Jackson-free versions of other seasons too.
    Have you done a study on that? There is no empirical data or frame of reference to know just how many people are adverse to MJ, either through the documentary or otherwise. I would assume these people would want to be distanced from all things MJ, if they take this stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickButler21 View Post
    I also did a rant about the news of Stark Raving Dad getting pulled from circulation, I will tell you I wasn't happy with the news.

    It's because it's bullcrap. You can't erase history. I do not think Jackson did this episode to get boys. It is actually a nice episode. The song itself is a present from a brother to a sister. If you have a sibling you can understand. I still harass my sister and I'm 40, but I love her. Bart loves Lisa, and vice versa, but he still going to harass her. Plus Homer getting committed to a psychiatric hospital for wearing pink is funny.
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    As for the documentary, I thought it sucked! I don't think the creators of The Simpsons should have believed the documentary. It showed no evidence that backs up the claims that Michael Jackson did any sort of sexual misconduct or sexual molestation to children. The accusers showed no emotion when talking about the abuse, that is not how an abuse victim would act in an interview (actor or not). The documentary was done for money!

    I did research on every single Michael Jackson accusation and found them to be not true. These accusations started thanks to Evan Chandler, he wanted MJ's money! The accusers in the documentary are inspired by what Evan Chandler did and that is why the documentary exists. The creators of The Simpsons took word of mouth as a guilty verdict rather then doing research after watching the documentary. Word of mouth is NOT a guilty verdict! Their decision to pull Stark Raving Dad is the WORST decision they ever made in the history of The Simpsons! They need to reconsider their decision for the sake of future Simpsons fans and for future decades. Otherwise, piracy will be the only way future Simpsons fans will get to see this episode if they don't have Season 3 on DVD.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoskin View Post
    Plus Homer getting committed to a psychiatric hospital for wearing pink is funny.
    That whole part of the episode story will never not be funny. It's a ridiculous plot but I love it.



    The rest of it really felt like they just shoehorned a celebrity in though.




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