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    When was the exact moment the Simpsons lost its way?

    I think I'd have to place it exactly at Lisa the Vegetarian.

    Her character gets thrown under the bus. Soon after, we have a slew of poor episodes cropping up (Marge Be Not Proud, "Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield," "Homerpalooza")

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    When You Dish Upon a Star was the point of no return.
    Favorite and least favorite by season
    1. Krusty Gets Busted There’s No Disgrace Like Home 2. Bart Gets an F Dead Putting Society 3. Homer at the Bat Like Father, Like Clown 4. Brother From the Same Planet Krusty Gets Kancelled 5. Cape Feare Lady Bouvier’s Lover 6. Homer Badman Another Simpsons Clip Show 7. King-Size Homer Lisa the Iconoclast 8. Homer’s Enemy El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Jomer 9. Bart Carny The Trouble With Trillions 10. Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo Homer Simpson in: “Kidney Trouble” 11. Guess Who’s Coming to Criticize Dinner? Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder 12. HOMЯ Tennis the Menace 13. Tales From the Public Domain She of Little Faith 14. The Dad Who Knew Too Little Helter Shelter 15. I, Annoyed Grunt)-bot Bart-Mangled Banner 16. A Star is Torn On a Clear Day I Can’t See My Sister 17. My Fair Laddy Bonfire of the Manatees 18. The Haw-Hawed Couple You Kent Always Say What You Want 19. Funeral for a Fiend All About Lisa 20. Gone Maggie Gone The Good, the Sad and the Drugly 21. The Bob Next Door The Color Yellow 22. Donnie Fatso Love is a Many Strangled Thing 23. The Falcon and the D’ohman A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again 24. Hardly Kirk-ing Moonshine River 25. The War of Art What to Expect When Bart’s Expecting 26. Sky Police Let’s Go Fly a Coot 27. Halloween of Horror Lisa With an ‘S’ 28. There Will Be Buds Moho House 29. Springfield Splendor Throw Grampa From the Dane


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    Quote Originally Posted by Financial Panther View Post
    When You Dish Upon a Star was the point of no return.
    great episode

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    I'll never understand why people think Marge Be Not Proud is poor. It's an excellent episode.

    Anyway, I don't think there's one exact moment. I think the "seeds of change" were sown as early as Season 8, but then Season 9 cemented the change for good (mainly by introducing "jerkass Homer").
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    Marge Be Not Proud is a fine episode, but I do understand people’s disdain for it, as it doesn’t have much in the way of subverting tropes in that classic Simpsons style. It kind of plays into them and doesn’t have as much satirical bite to me.

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    also @op go away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    also @op go away
    No, U.

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    Season eight really isn't that great toward the end. Overall, it's kind of a strange and uneven season. It has some great episodes (You Only Move Twice, The Springfield Files, Homer vs. the 18th Amendment) and some are very high on Homer's enemy (I like it myself). But it also has a number of episodes that aren't that good by classic era standards (Burns, Baby Burns; The Twisted World of Marge Simpson; Simpsoncali; My Sister, My Sitter; The Canine Mutiny; The Old Man and the Lisa; The Secret War of Lisa Simpson).

    The last six episodes of the season are three of the ones I mentioned in the last sentence, In Marge We Trust, Homer's Enemy and The Smpsons Spin-off Showcase. The next season starts off well with The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson, but the second episode is the much-maligned The Principal and the Pauper. After The Cartridge Family, the show came out with Bart Star, the episode where Apu gets married, Realty Bites and Miracle on Evergreen Terrace to finish off 1997.

    To answer the question: I'd say that if there's an exact moment, it falls some time in the year 1997. I started watching The simpsons regularly in late 1996, so it declined soon after I started watching it, but I was able to watch re-runs of classic era episodes on a regular basis before it entered the Scully era, which made for good viewing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HitoftheMillennium View Post
    Season eight really isn't that great toward the end. Overall, it's kind of a strange and uneven season. It has some great episodes (You Only Move Twice, The Springfield Files, Homer vs. the 18th Amendment) and some are very high on Homer's enemy (I like it myself).
    I disagree. Season 8 is one of my all time favorites, perhaps in my top 6. It was a very strong season that had consistently good one-off characters and made effective use of that season's guest stars.

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    It depends.

    The Show's best period ended as Scully hit his stride.

    The show became a chore after S15.

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    If I had to pick one episode its The Principal and the Pauper. I don't even mind this episode that much, but their was quite a huge decline in most of the episodes that came afterwards. Then season 15 or 16 was the last of the shows ''silver era'', where most episode were still enjoyable to watch. The movie might've been a great way to end the show at that point. Season 17+ has gotten very hit & miss with a lot of forgettable episodes and unfunny jokes.
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    1: Krusty Gets Busted/Homer's Night Out 2: The Way We Was/Bart's Dog Gets an F 3: Colonel Homer/Dog of Death 4: Marge vs. The Monorail/So It's Come to This: A Simpsons Clip Show 5: Cape Feare/Bart Gets An Elephant 6: Treehouse of Horror V/Another Simpsons Clip Show 7: Mother Simpson/Homerpalooza 8: You Only Move Twice/The Canine Mutiny 9: Lisa's Sax/The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons 10: Lisa Gets an A/Sunday Cruddy Sunday 11: Behind The Laughter/Beyond Blunderdome 12: Trilogy of Error/The Computer Wore Menace Shoes 13: I Am Furious Yellow/Homer the Moe 14: The Dad Who Knew Too Little/Large Marge 15: The Way We Weren't/Diatribe of a Mad Housewife 16: Thank God Its Doomsday/Mommie Beerest 17: Marge's Son Poisoning/Bonfire of the Manatees 18: Marge Gamer/Revenge is Best Served Three Times 19: Treehouse of Horror XVIII/That 90's Show 20: Gone Maggie Gone/Coming To Homerica 21: O Brother, Where Bart thou?/The Devil Wears Nada 22: Homer Scissorhands/The Fool Monty 23: Holidays of Future Passed/Moe Goes From Rags To Riches 24: Adventures In Baby-Getting/Whiskey Business 25: Brick Like Me/White Christmas Blues 26: Bart's New Friend/The Musk Who Fell to Earth 27: Halloween of Horror/Every Man's Dream 28: There Will Be Buds/Moho House 29: Gone Boy/Throw Grampa from the Dane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaine View Post
    If I had to pick one episode its The Principal and the Pauper.
    In my opinion, this episode has gotten so trashed it is quite honestly at the point of being a legendary episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches O'houlihan View Post
    The show became a chore after S15.
    Eh, not really. The episodes are still only bite sized bits onof entertainment that don't really take much effort to sit through. It still provides similar, if not exactly the same, content in every way except comedy. Which really is not a big loss, in my opinion.

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    actually to be honest I really feel the show jumped the shark when they did Homer's enemy, I mean Homer has had enemies before but this is the first time that someone actually really did have a problem with Homer that wasn't related to him (Family wise). I mean Burns vowed revenge before but he never really did go through with it did he? Sorry but that's how I feel the episode has not aged well

    I don't really mind Principal and the pauper that much considering that it developed Skinner and Agnes in this one, but this was when Agnes really started to turn into a control freak

    I have positive things to say about seasons 8 and 9 because I liked how they switched things up and blowing winds of change
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComicBookGal View Post
    actually to be honest I really feel the show jumped the shark when they did Homer's enemy,
    I detest the phrase "jumped the shark". Even that episode of "Happy Days" was not that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuffBlimp View Post
    I detest the phrase "jumped the shark". Even that episode of "Happy Days" was not that bad.
    what phrase would you prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComicBookGal View Post
    what phrase would you prefer?
    "Lost its way" seems like a good substitute. It conveys the same opinion and conviction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComicBookGal View Post
    what phrase would you prefer?
    According to Wikipedia, Homer vs. Dignity was so bad people suggested "Raped by a panda" replace the phrase "jump the shark."

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    Homer Simpson in: "Kidney Trouble"

    Homer was such a jerkass to his father in that episode. Although I felt the show had a "renaissance" of sorts from seasons 13-16 before going bland in season 17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramier Wolfcastle View Post
    Homer Simpson in: "Kidney Trouble"

    Homer was such a jerkass to his father in that episode. Although I felt the show had a "renaissance" of sorts from seasons 13-16 before going bland in season 17.
    Again, let's hear more specifics. There is not really much here that I could touch on besides opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramier Wolfcastle View Post
    Homer Simpson in: "Kidney Trouble"

    Homer was such a jerkass to his father in that episode. Although I felt the show had a "renaissance" of sorts from seasons 13-16 before going bland in season 17.
    I don't know wasn't Kidney Trouble more like Coward Homer than Jerkass Homer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComicBookGal View Post
    I don't know wasn't Kidney Trouble more like Coward Homer than Jerkass Homer?
    I think it was Sociopath Homer. Taunting people is being a jerkass, leaving tour father to die is being a sociopath. Homer was not a jerkass in Kidney Trouble
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    1: Krusty Gets Busted/Homer's Night Out 2: One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish/Bart's Dog Gets an 'F' 3: Bart the Murderer/Saturdays of Thunder 4: Homer the Heretic/So Its Come To This: A Simpsons Clip Show 5: Cape Feare/Lady Bouvier's Lover 6: Homie the Clown/Another Simpsons Clip Show 7: Raging Abe Simpson and his Grumbling Grandson in " The Curse of the Flying Hellfish"/Scenes From the Class Struggle in Springfield 8: The Springfield Files/The Old Man and the Lisa 9: The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson/Miracle on Evergreen Terrace 10: Mayored to the Mob/Homer Simpson in: Kidney Trouble 11: Grift of the Magi/Eight Misbehavin' 12: Trilogy of Error/I'm Goin' to Praiseland 13: The Blunder Years/The Lastest Gun in the West 14: Moe Baby Blues/The Strong Arms of the Ma 15: My Mother the Carjacker/Co-Dependent's Day 16: The Heartbroke Kid/Homer and Ned's Hail Mary Pass 17: The Seemingly Never-Ending Story/The Bonfire of the Manatees 18: The Mook, The Chef, The Wife, and Her Homer/The Boys of Bummer 19: Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind/Husbands and Knives 20: Gone Maggie Gone/Lisa the Drama Queen 21: The Squirt and the Whale/The Greatest Story Ever D'ohed 22: Homer Scissorhands/The Fight Before Christmas 23: The Book Job/Lisa Goes Gaga 24: The Saga of Carl/Love is a Many-Splintered Thing 25: Brick Like Me/What to Expect When Bart's Expecting 26: Sky Police/The Musk Who Fell to Earth 27: Barthood/Every Man's Dream 28: 22 for 30/The Caper Chase 29: Flanders' Ladder/Singin' in the Lane 30: Woo-hoo Dunnit?/I Want You (She's So Heavy)

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    Trash of the Titans.

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    Trash of the Titans.
    Yeah, that is probably the first episode that feels 100% like a modern episode.

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    Alone again, just seemed like a mean way to kill a character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitterCat View Post
    Alone again, just seemed like a mean way to kill a character.
    Actually it has become a very significant plot point.

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    Alone Again is nothing special, but I’ve seen more disdain for it than usual recently. It has some good moments in it: I like the opening with the bear, and I enjoy the video Homer makes about Ned. I’m also guilty of liking Homer’s line about parking in the ambulance zone.

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    Bart to the Future
    This is where the show started adding formula to the storylines allowing the writes to start coaxing. To be specific if Bart doesn’t change his ways he will have a bad future became bart’s future is entirely sided by the traits he has as a 10 year old. Lisa’s positive and negative traits don’t affect her future. Then they added kids to mix making Homer not effected by his negative traits (its not that ab and homer were abusive kids just naturally like their grandparents better).

    The girl power episodes became so rigid that they accidentally started proving that men are indeed better then woman.

    They kept doing marriage problem episodes and the sheer number of them combined with the increasingly petty reasons marge was angry started to make her come across as the abusive one. Bart to the Future marked a laziness in the writers that they seem to be unable to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toushin View Post
    This is where the show started adding formula to the storylines allowing the writes to start coaxing. To be specific if Bart doesn’t change his ways he will have a bad future became bart’s future is entirely sided by the traits he has as a 10 year old.
    No, it did not. This is 'The Simpsons' using the butterfly effect. It has nothing to do with laziness.



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