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    @CousinMerl, yep The Owl House remains the show I anticipate the most right now. I saw some scenes of this new version of DC Super Hero Girls though and I pretty like it. It's more cartoon than girly and it comes from Craig McCracken's wife so it's not really surprising. I don't say that I'll watch it right now (I have so many animated shows to catch up) but it's sure I'll watch it someday.

    Regarding the characters that improved over the years, yeah Luan and Lynn are good picks when it comes to good character development. I like them since the beginning too (granted, I like all of them since the beginning to be honest) but it's sure they became more and more endearing.

    Anyway, we have two new episodes and plots, without airdate yet :

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    Luna leads a protest to save the high school music club.
    Game Off (TBA)
    Lana becomes desperate to play Lincoln's trash-themed game.
    Ah, a Luna episode for the first time in forever, nice. Really like the plot of Deep Cuts. Seeing Luna leading a protest should be interesting. Plus, we'll seemingly finally have a deeper view of her and the other older sisters high school and I can't wait for that. Also, I thought Luna became an unfairly overhated character since some time so I hope this will be the chance for her to shine again.

    Despite the fact that I'm pretty confused about this "trash-themed game", I'm excited to see Game Off too. Like I said I thought Lana was pretty underused until she took the spotlight from time to time recently, and this could be a nice way to see her and Lincoln bonding together.

    Oh and we have a more clarified plot for Exchange of Heart :

    To divert the attention of his helicopter dads, Clyde arranges for an exchange student to stay with them.
    So the "them" was for Clyde's dads. Well, the plot is quite similar to Snow Way Down's for me, but I'm still interested.
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    @Wile E. the Brain, thanks for the latest episode info with the new ones.

    'Deep Cuts' sound like it could be really good, not only because it's about Luna. saving the school music club (from budget cutbacks, I assume with that title) seem like an given and interesting plot but yeah, good to have a Luna episode again (by the way, what do you mean with unfairly overhated? Hasn't she always been one of the more popular and well liked characters and had some of the most popular episodes? I think I've missed that development about her becoming hated).

    'Game Off' seems good too, but like you I'm a little confused what they mean with "trash-themed game" (and desperate? does that mean that she's not allowed to?) , but it sound intriguing and it's an Lana episode (I'd say she's still a bit underused compared to some of the other sisters so I'll welcome more episodes about her, plus this could be a nice bonding story between brother and sister) so it does sound like an potentially solid episode.

    Also, on the clarification on 'Exchange Of Heart', that makes sense and, if anything, makes it an even more interesting episode to me, as I have felt that for some time the McBride couple has been a little neglected compard to the other adult main characters. They barely, if any, appeared in speaking roles in quite a while (absent for the entirety of Season 3, save for a couple of brief cameos) and this sounds like there will be a focus on them. Dare we hope for some character development?).
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    @CousinMerl, on the wikia fandom, I often see pretty harsh comments towards Luna from 2019 yes. Sometimes being called too one-dimensional, boring, some people even talk about skipping her episodes just because of her. Not better since Racing Hearts by the way, probably regarding her relationship with Sam or because they think the episode is popular just because of these two and so they have to talk bad of it (or them). And her lack of interactions with some siblings or use these last times except for scenes like her disgust over Luan's pimple doesn't help I guess. But yeah, I won't say that she became totally hated but a part of the fandom is very harsh towards her. Granted, the same part is likely the one who think that Lincoln is only depicted in a negative way since a few episodes.

    You're not wrong regarding the McBrides. I don't remember a lot of their appearances in season 3 (I just remember that one of them was in Antiqued Off, actually). But it looks like they have more appearances in season 4, and pretty important (such as Rocket Men or Last Loud on Earth), which I appreciate. So yeah I'm also satisfied that this episode, as well as the season, sounds like more focus on them (remember we also will have an episode where Luna and Sam will have to keep their cats some time in the future).

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    @Wile E. the Brain, oh, then I understand about this apparent anti-Luna movement. I see why I've missed that since I unfortunately do not generally concern myslef with that part of the fandom and their discussions and therefore usually doesn't look at the things posted and discussed by the fandom over there.

    I wouldn't really be too concerned about what they say since they are an pretty extreme bunch (remember that many of these are the same people who decided 'Kings Of The Con' ruined the series) and besides, they seem like an vocal minority. For the most part I've generally seen mostly positive things about Luna and those guys on the wikia get worked up so about small things (and they really complained about Luna's negative reaction to the pimple that much?) and defend Lincoln no matter what with the complains of "torture porn" and whatnot it's gotten kinda ridiculous.

    I know that there are likely worse factions of the fandom out there on the web but I they are maybe not the best consensus indicator and I generally don't care much about them, but I do check on the article comments from time to time so I don't mind them too much, despite them coming off as really harsh and non-tolerant at times. I'd take what they throw out with a grain of salt.

    Also, I must have forgotten about that Luna & Sam cat episode you just mentioned. That does sound like an fun one.

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    Been awhile since I last posted in here so I'll quickly sum up what I think of the revealed upcoming episodes.

    The one with Clyde sounds like it'll be "Eh" (though now it sounds slightly better than how it originally sounded), but I look forward to the others, especially the Luna & Lola ones.
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    Just found out the other day that 'Community Disservice' (the upcoming Lola episode) is directed by Jordan Rosato, making it her first and only director credit for the show (and overall, it seems). That really makes me look forward to it even more than before. Just a couple of days left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CousinMerl View Post
    Just found out the other day that 'Community Disservice' (the upcoming Lola episode) is directed by Jordan Rosato, making it her first and only director credit for the show (and overall, it seems). That really makes me look forward to it even more than before. Just a couple of days left.
    Since season 4 production ended I believe before her departure from Nickelodeon, maybe she directed some other episodes of the season, it's pretty nice for her anyway (even if, in the case of Community Disservice, it's co-directed). I saw this episode and Exchange of Heart by the way since they're already available because they aired in UK, but I'll talk about them once they aired in US just in case.

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    @Wile E. the Brain, point taken about the co-directing credit, but still, it's her first directing credit and there might be more from her in the remainder of the season like you say. We'll have to wait and see.

    Also, how were you able to see them? I know they already aired in the UK but they are available in France as well?
    EDIT: Nevermind, I saw someone mention they are available from some online outlets. I will wait a bit longer, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CousinMerl View Post
    @Wile E. the Brain, point taken about the co-directing credit, but still, it's her first directing credit and there might be more from her in the remainder of the season like you say. We'll have to wait and see.
    Yep, it's still something, I didn't intend to deny it. No wonder she was hired as a director for DC Super Hero Girls; even if she already is a talented storyboard artist. Funny to notice that, not all but quite a few directors of the show have begun as directors for The Loud House with co-directing credit (Marshall with Savino, Borutski and Puga with Marshall, and now Rosato with Borutski).

    And yeah I saw them with online outlets.

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    @Wile E. the Brain, I didn't interpret it the way that you denied what I said so no worries about that. I'm not sure that she was hired by the 'DC Super Hero Girls' crew due to her directing credit here, but rather more due to her storyboarding work (though it is possible; would certainly like to find out). I haven't really thought a lot about how several of the storyboarders have transitioned to co-directors before but you're right; also, I think most of them have done a pretty good job, more or less.

    Speaking of the directing credits, I do have noticed how prevalent Savino has been as an director during the first couple of years of the show, having directed nearly all of the episodes. I guess he really liked to be in control by helming so many episodes. Good to see the variation of directors now that he's gone and cannot hold such an big influence anymore (I think it was wrong of him to direct that huge amount of episode instead of letting others in the production crew get the chance as there are many talented directors among them).

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    I've watched the latest couple of episodes now. I'm aware that they have been out for a while due to UK releasing them ahead of the US airing but I decided to wait a little while before checking them out. Anyway, it was a good if uneven duo and I generally enjoyed them both. Spoilers below.

    'Exchange Of Heart' was pretty decent. It being an Clyde episode I didn't have any high expectations since he's not exactly a favorite character but I wound up enjoying it, despite the plot about Clyde being annoyed of how little freedom he has due to his absurdly overprotective dads and brings in an foreign exchange studen from Brazil to live with them as means of diverting his parents' attention so that he can do whatever he wants being very reminiscent of 'Snow Way Down'. The story was pretty well executed and it was interesting with an episode with just a minor part for Lincoln, I liked the McBride couple being back in major roles (after being absent and relegated to minor parts) and the exchange strudent Tiago was a likeable presence, but to be honest it wasn't an episode that really pulled me into it, just being pretty much OK.

    I liked Clyde and his quest at getting some alone time (and him finally getting an night for his own was a nice sequence), there were some good jokes (the bunny slipper bit was solid and sleepy Lori driving Clyde to the airport was very funny) and the ending with him thinking his dads really went to Brazil with Tiago was decent, but the episode dragged a bit at times, Tiago was just a plot device and I didn't really like the McBrides being so cartoonishly overprotective of Clyde (more so than before); them having watched him partying through a hidden security cameras was really unsettling somehow and the way that Clyde went back to love them for being overprotective (and had spied on him) was eh (I had expected some character development instead of something of a reset akin to 'Change Of Heart'), but other than that a decent episode.

    'Community Disservice' on the other hand was an great episode. Lola episodes are usually some of the best and this here was no exception, much since we got to see a more human side of her. The plot of her being rejected from entering a new pageant contest duing to lacking community service to show her good behavior (inside beauty) and after a suggestion from Lincoln taking on helping a new student and classmate, the introverted and shy grey-clad girl Meli Ramos, and helping the girl to get a confidence boost (albeit forego her interests) only to be able to get into the pageant was simple but a good one with a lot of heart and humanity. It certainly made up for those moments of the previous episode that held it back and made me not like it that much; this episode had essentially nothing I objected to.

    I liked that we finally got to see Lola and Lana's class, Meli was adorable (in both her normal outfit and the one Lola gave her), Lana and the cheese was a funny running joke, and Lola herself was great (funny and showing humanity). The third act was wonderful; very heartfelt with how Lola, while at the pageant, worries about Meli (who went to Dairy Land with Lola's class) after seeing the Meli-less class photo from the park, ends up disqualifying herself by admitting how she cheated at the community service part, has Rita drive her to Dairy Land and finds Meli crying alone in an bathroom stall, makes up with her before enjoying the amusement park together. Great end scene with Meli winning Lola an cheese crown (and fun end gag with Lana taking a bite of it). An likeable episode. One of my favorites this season.

    @Wile E. the Brain and @John95, what are your thoughts on the two episodes?
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    @CousinMerl, I guess it has been awhile since I posted in here and I did watch these episodes as they were airing in the UK.

    Exchange of Heart was "Meh". Like you said, it dragged at times, I thought it was a little repetitive and the ending was similar to Change of Heart where things mostly Reset Buttoned at the end (though I would at least take this episode over that). Not a bad truly bad episode, but not one I don't see myself revisiting.

    Community Disservice was better by a mile. I'm pretty much in agreement with you on it.

    And on that note, I guess I get to be the first to report the next two episodes after the ones that are airing this Saturday which will both be on the 15th:

    Write or Wrong
    Mom tries to convince a newspaper editor that her kids are perfect in order to land a parenting advice column job.
    Purrfect Gig
    When the McBrides go out of town, they hire Luna to catsit, but the job becomes more demanding than she imagined
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    @John95, I saw those descriptions for the upcoming episodes the other day and thought about posting them in my last post immediately after my thoughts on the last episodes, but decided the reviews were enough and opted out (plus I figured someone else would probably post them anyway).

    Anyhow, both of those two sound intriguing. The Rita episode sounds like it could be a a good one (maybe it'll borrowing some beats from 'Scenes From The Class Struggle In Springfield' with Rita trying to make her family look good to others?) and Luna as a catsitter is a fun little plot idea (she feels like a random choice for someone to look after pets but that makes it all the more interesting).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CousinMerl View Post
    [MENTION=78686]I'm not sure that she was hired by the 'DC Super Hero Girls' crew due to her directing credit here, but rather more due to her storyboarding work (though it is possible; would certainly like to find out).
    I have no doubt that her work as a storyboarder contribute the most to why she was hired, but I guess directing one or maybe more episodes before leaving Nickelodeon also helped a little, especially since she's a director for DC Super Hero Girls now.

    I don't know if there's a particular reason for Savino directing all the episodes from season 1 and more than a half I guess from season 2, but I believe that this wasn't the only show to do that. But it's clear that now he's gone, it's nice to see more people having the chance to direct an episode and the fact that it gives a chance to storyboard artists like McGowan, Puga and Rosato.

    Anyway, my turn to talk about the new episodes. Like @John95, I watch them after they aired in UK and I waited to talk about them. And my opinion is basically same as yours.

    Exchange of Heart was okay but to be honest I wish it was better handled. I quite like Clyde and the poor guy didn't have a single memorable episode since I believe Baby Steps and this one is another forgettable and pretty botched one, it's a shame since I do believe he's endearing enough to be the main focus of good episodes. What I disliked the most with this episode is the fact it looks like Snow Way Down never happened. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of this episode, but it has a very nice lesson and seemed to develop Clyde's dads and their ridiculously overprotective side by having them learning something. But here, they even more ridiculously overprotective than before, if it was even possible. It's a shame because I really like them too, and I appreciate the focus on them, but they really need to stick on what they learned back in this episode. But okay, let's admit it was necessary for such a plot. So the exchange student idea wasn't so bad, in fact it had some potential and it's nice to have an episode that isn't afraid to mostly have a focus around the McBrides, with little Lincoln interventions. It's decently funny too (those cats are such wild animals, and when it comes to little jokes like these, I accept them acting more human; liked the pickle running gag too) but it became quite repetitive after a while and not that much entertaining. I liked Clyde being worried that his dads might take a plane for Brazil with Tiago (it's normal for a kid of his age to fear something like that). The suitcases explanation was pretty dumb, though. In the end I felt like this episode was useless. I don't think the ending really was a complete reset button as I feel like the McBride couple did understand that Clyde needs some liberties, but since pretty much all that I saw in this episode already was made two years prior and in a better way (though like I said, Snow Way Down is "just" good), then I felt like this was a bit of a harmless waste of time. Still okay, I guess.

    Community Service was way better and another great episode for Lola which never stops to be more and more likeable. The plot made me think about Friend or Faux with one of the Louds being friendly to someone only for his own privileges, but it took a routine different enough to feel like an episode that can stand out on his own. It's a simple, straightforward plot that works very well, in every way possible. It's funny, with all of these jokes about Lola's popularity at her school, even with these kids who look like they're coming straight from Matrix (and that she doesn't even know), it's well executed and it has a lot of heart. What surprised me the most was the ending, which wasn't as predictable as it could have been. I mean, we already knew that Lola would eventually explain the situation to Meli Ramos (which is a lot likeable by the way; I was very shy and little to no confident as a kid so I can relate to her) but I'm impressed that she thinked about the situation on her own, instead of having the same kind of situation than Friend or Faux with Lisa getting the situation straight by saying to Darcy that all of that was for her grades and only regretting it afterwards, we have Lola thinking about how Meli could be in Dairyland and having worries for her, and going as far as disqualifying herself of the pageant; it's so nice from her and it shows how much humanity she can show. These episode never cease to make Lola more generous and nice (while still being very funny), and I appreciate that. Plus, the ending scene at Dairyland was great and seeing Meli and Lola having so much fun together was a lot heartfelt (with like Merl said a funny final gag with Lana ending a bit of Lola's cheese crown - which was a very nice gesture from Meli by the way and an endearing way to put an end on the episode; by the way, Lana has some really funny jokes too). The animation also was well executed as the work on the character's animation is definitely a plus. Pretty great episode and one of the most endearings about Lola with Gown and Out, also written by Shropshire by the way, that can't be a coincidence.

    Also, about the plots for the next episodes, I also had Scenes from a Class Struggle in Springfield vibes by looking at Write and Wrong and that can be good, plus it was a while since we had Rita as the main focus (yes we had The Write Stuff but she shared it with Lucy). And Purrfect Gig, well it was the episode that I talked about earlier and was annouced quite a time ago; I wonder why Luna of all people is the one that will catsit for the McBrides but why not, she has babysitter skills too, remember Sitting Bull. Also it was said that Sam will appear during this episode. As much as I like Sam and the Saluna couple, I hope she'll have a reason to be here (I guess Luna will call her to help her when the situation with the cats will eventually get out of control; given how they act in Exchange of Heart, it really is a possibility).

    But it appeared that these two episodes were put out of schedule for now and that two other new episodes took their airdate. And given what their plots are, it's safe to say that it's because of how Valentine's Day they sound like.

    Singled Out
    Feeling like a third when her teammates find significant others, Lynn seeks a boyfriend just to fit in.
    Brave the Last Dance
    Clyde recruits Lincoln and the gang to find out if a girl he has a crush on at school feels the same way.
    Well, guess that Francisco won't come back, but Singled Out still sounds promising. Another Clyde episode too (with the gang this time) and Brave the Last Dance can be very good too, and it looks like they definitely gave up his crush for Lori (which is something they sould've done two years and a half ago), and I appreciate that.

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    @Wile E. the Brain, good writeup about those two recent episodes (and it seems we're in agreement about both). To add on 'Exchange Of Heart' I too didn't see the end as a complete reset (like the abeformentioned 'Change of Heart') but the stuff that was learnt felt like a relatively minor thing with how ridiculous they are with being his guardians and like I said, Clyde in the end being glad for them being overprotective (more or less) and didn't mind being spied on with the hidden cameras was a bit offputting to me. Also agreed that the suitcase joke was silly.

    Furthermore, I was thinking that I had heard about the catsitting story before and it's true that it was posted earlier (with you confirming my thoughts on that). It till sound like a good one and having Sam in there too will be interesting (like you I'm hoping they can write her into the story well, which I believe they can).

    Those two new episode ('Singled Out' & 'Brave The Last Dance'), both sound interesting and does seem like good fits for Valentine's. I have been thinking about when/if Lynn is gonna get a boyfriend (as the other teenage Louds have a love interest) and it seems like this one will be that time (and to be honest, not bringing back Francisco from 'L is For Love' was predictable as the love interests there were one-offs save for Luna, Benny who was lucky to made it out of that episode and a brief later reference to Chaz as Leni's boyfriend, though I suspect they have broken up unless it comes up again) & as for the Clyde-centric episode it does seem good to me (so glad to see the Lori obsession gone out the window; I rewatched an season 1 episode earlier and was reminded of it).

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    I saw this weekend's two new episodes and this was a really solid couple, if not kinda great (much stronger than the last one where 'Exchange Of Heart' wasn't so good). I'll give my thoughts on them right away (and I'll warn about those unmarked spoilers again as well).

    'Deep Cuts' was very good. With the plot about the Royal Woods high school making budget cuts by getting rid of the school's music club and since it seemed to be a Luna episode it had the right ingredients and it started off quite good with Luna & her music-loving friends loudly protesting cutting of their club (with a great little song to boot) and their Principal Rivers going back on her decision (she is quite the opposite of Principal Huggins), but then it just kept getting better and all the more enjoyable. The success of the protest causing the sports club getting cut (to Lori's ire) which the protest of leading to the theater club getting cut (to Luan's chagrin) was an entertaining chain of events that allowed for a lot of good humor (including Lincoln walking in at the wrong moments during the three sisters confrontations) & and character moments.

    Not only did I like seeing Luna, Lori and Luan share a plot, interact and get some good moments but Rivers and her serious indisisiveness and being easily swayed into reinstating almost stole the show & her assistant Oliver (looked like an adult Clyde) was a good foil (easy to understand that he was the one who make the decisions for her). I also enjoyed seeing more of the high school and the staff & more screentime of the classmates. One of the clubs being threatened to be axed leading to an protest war was an interesting turn and the solution to all the three clubs having to get cut after a mishap involving the school's golden acorn statue destroying the entrance was a great one (with the three clubs getting together for a successful fundraiser to collect money to fix the damages which saves all of them. I dunno if this was a great episode but still a really good one.

    'Game Off' was really good as well (by the way, the new plot description on the wiki spell the plot out better than the old one, even though it didn't get the details right). The plot of Lana feeling the pressure to play Lincoln's new video game (because it's trash-related, naturally) and not being able to wait until he's properly finished and accidentally ruins his game progress was a much simpler plot but it was pulled off really well and the episode itsel ended up being an amusing and cute little story with some nice emotional content. Good to have another Lana episode and it was maybe her best solo one thus far. Much of this felt like an episode from the early seasons with it feeling like an Sisters vs. Lincoln episode but it was not hostile but good natured in comparison to many of those (which goes to show the evolution of the show, I guess).

    Lana rally the sisters for help (with Lisa and Lynn helping her get through the game to the point where Lincoln felt off while the others keep him away from the game and the house in the meantime) was a very enjoyable series of events with a lot of nice humor with the sisters distracting Lincoln & Lana being taught to be a gamer was adorable (I also liked her 8-bit dream). The ending with Lana failing by losing the last life in the game and having to admit what she did to Lincoln was well done with her sincere apology, Lincoln's disappointment and her trying to make it up for him; wonderful end bit with her gained knowledge of the game being help to him, him asking her to play with him & the hug was sweet (and of course Lynn had to pop up from behind the couch and dump water on them like she did earlier to Lana to keep her focused on the game; nice callback joke). Fun and cute episode that was also surprisingly heartwarming.

    The show is still going strong but I am thinking about all those complaints I've seen directed toward the show as of recently, with a lot of voices saying it was good for the first season(s) and then went downhill and started to suck, as well as calls for a return to a focus on Lincoln & the sisters, the simpler, sillier and cartoonish stuff from before and and less of the message/"lesson learned" stories and endings; I see some are even saying that the novelty wore off. I disagree wholeheartedly as I think the show is much better now than before; it evolved well and properly started to expand as it should have; just doing the old Linc & sisters plots and just having simpler and sillier plots like back in season 1 would have seriously limited the show.

    @Wile. E. the Brain & @John95, have you seen any of those complaints about the show and what do you think of them? Is there any truth to them? (also, I looking forward to hear your thoughts on the two new episodes).

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    I agree that this was a heck of a solid couple, I enjoyed both of them quite a lot.

    Deep Cuts was very good. When the title card came out, I figured out that this wasn't going to be a full Luna episode like the synopsis suggested, and I knew how the plot would go on with one high school club being shut down when another one was saved by the students who are in it. And so this leads us to a nice little, silly yet pretty enjoyable and somewhat quite accurate war between the three clubs in order to not let the principal getting rid of one of them because of budget cuts. This episode has mixed reviews and I would lie if I say that I don't understand why; such a plot leads to a repetitive structure with one of the clubs' students doing something outstanding and saving it while at the same time leading to another being shut down (as far as I'm concerned the protests all were entertaining enough to overlook), and the fundraiser solution to save all of them could've been figured out right at the beginning, though I personally understand that the students thinked about a protest at first, it's a fact that a lot of people think about this first and in the heat of the moment, that's understandable to me (also, you know, there wouldn't have been a plot otherwise). As far as I'm concerned, it's an episode that worked well. A lot of things that I enjoyed in it, you already pointed it out, @CousinMerl : seeing more of the older sisters' high school was refreshing, as well as seeing the return of a lot of secondary students characters even for a quick moment (of course Sam, Sully and Mazzy, but also Benny for an hilarious cameo and some of the kids in the play from Stage Plight), I really enjoyed seeing such a bonding between Lori, Luna and Luan (also this is probably the closest we have to a genuine bonding between Luna and Luan so far; just give an episode about those two already), and I also liked the principal of the high school; I like this kind of character with a big position but complaining about how hard it is and seemingly not having the shoulders to do it, kind of remind me the president Schwarzenegger in The Simpsons Movie. The last part with the fundraiser was heartfelt and surprisingly long of a conclusion, I think it was over 2 minutes (but it's a good thing this time), and the song shared by the three sisters was the cherry on the top. All in all it's very good to me.

    And Game Off was maybe even better. Like you said the actual plot description is way better but you know, I feel like the plot descriptions these last times became less and less relevant, like we said we can take Deep Cuts for example. But anyway, it was a pretty great episode and, like you said, arguably the best solo Lana episode of the show so far, I waited to have one about her that is a lot funny yet very heartwarming. It's a simple yet efficient story about Lana being unable to wait to play Lincoln's trash-themed video game and therefore leading to a game over that forces the player to start at the beginning. For a side note, this video game looks not that good, I mean, only 7 levels (granted, Lincoln said that he took him two weeks to go to the final level) and a game over that forces you to start at the very beginning, that's frustrating aha. Anyway, this one had quite an earlier seasons vibe by looking at how it goes, with the siblings making a plan to accomplish something, in that case to distract Lincoln long enough to let Lana going through the game until the moment Lincoln stopped playing. The scenes with the sisters distracting their brother were amusing (Leni's part cracked me up), and so are the ones with Lana playing the game with a little help from Lisa and Lynn. Also, the reason Lincoln doesn't want Lana to play the game yet is totally understandable; as well as his frustration when he sees that Lana didn't listen to him and lost all of his progress. It didn't go too far and it's still understandable even if that's just a game (I'm not a gamer myself but I can tell that a lot of people get really upset when all of their progress get erased after going far in the game). The scene with Lana admitting to Lincoln that she didn't listen to him is so well done, probably one of the most emotional moments coming from her since the ending of Toads and Tiaras, you can tell how desperate she looks especially after getting so much concentrated in front of the game. But all's well that ends well after all and Lincoln and Lana can share a very sweet moment with a nice callback joke from Lynn as a bonus. Excellent.

    Well it's funny because it's in general the opposite that I saw, quite a lot of people stating that the show is currently way better than it was back in the first two seasons. Actually, I can understand why some people get less interested by the show, I think we discussed about that earlier, regarding how a number of episodes of the current seasons follow basically the same formula and can get very predictable (and like we've been agree on, it's not always a bad thing), I can understand some complaining about the lack of novelty, though I'm not completely agree with that. This show remains very enjoyable and often relatable to me and I do agree that some of its former problems get progressively erased; and like you said, if the plots right now were always like they were back in season 1, it would've been old quite quickly.

    But like I said it's mostly the opposite that I hear about, and also, I have the feeling that the first two seasons became underrated just because of Savino's case. I saw a lot of people going as far as saying that the show would've been terrible right now if Savino was still here to direct it; and to me, it's as if they say that he was nothing else than the creator of the show and added nothing good to it. Chris Savino was a bad human being, certainly, but I feel like it's denying the good stuff he bringed into the show and like it's saying that it was bad under his era and good just now. And I disagree with that; his era was flawed but still is pretty damn good to me and a number of its episode are among my favorites, just like the era after his. Sometimes I feel like when something was made by a bad person, it instantly becomes bad too when we discover the truth about said person; like Ren and Stimpy for example, a show that used to be well received and that is now despised by quite a few people because John K. was an awful human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wile E. the Brain View Post
    For a side note, this video game looks not that good, I mean, only 7 levels (granted, Lincoln said that he took him two weeks to go to the final level) and a game over that forces you to start at the very beginning, that's frustrating aha.
    The video game definitely felt like a parody of Super Mario Bros. 3 with the world map and level designs and it seem to follow the show's theme of video games being more on the simpler side which I do like, even if they by our eyes look like nothing special (but you're right that they must have some appeal in-show, and this one was made out to bedifficult as it progressed overall and doesn't seem to have proper save function, much like the old NES and many SNES games so I can understand that). Also, regarding 'Deep Cuts' I haven't really seen those mixed reviews but rather mostly fairly good reviews so that was a surprise (though I can understand those points that the episode could have been handled differently and with more smarts, but as said, it was still fun and enjoyable).

    As for your reply to what I said about the complaints at the show, I can only agree about it. Also, interesting that you've heard a lot of the opposite (which seem to be a lot of good things that I'd be on board with); the Savino thing there I have a similar opinion with. I'd not be as sure if the show would've been awful if he was still there to direct just because he's an awful person as the early couple of seasons had a big lot of good-to-great episodes helmed by him and that could have continued (it's like you say about just because a person is bad doesn't make his/her work bad automatically and that this bad side of him/her would bleed over onto it).

    Still, had Savino still be on board there could have still been a big focus on Lincoln and his life in the Loud house (which seemed to be a theme of a majority of his episodes) which could have limited the show and not had it explore the world and the other characters as much, especially those from outside the family. For instance, I bet that an episode like 'Deep Cuts' would not as surely have been a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CousinMerl View Post
    The video game definitely felt like a parody of Super Mario Bros. 3 with the world map and level designs and it seem to follow the show's theme of video games being more on the simpler side which I do like, even if they by our eyes look like nothing special (but you're right that they must have some appeal in-show, and this one was made out to bedifficult as it progressed overall and doesn't seem to have proper save function, much like the old NES and many SNES games so I can understand that).
    That's right. I heard about the game being a Super Mario Bros. 3 parody (and I played it so yeah I recognized a little though I won't say it was obvious to me) by the way, and it's still funny to see this kind of retro stuff while it's clear that the show sets up in this day and age. I always like this blend between retro and modern, and yeah I understand that the lack of save function can also be a parody of these games from NES and SNES; just a silly side note that I wanted to add, aha.

    I agree that Savino mostly had a focus on Lincoln during season 1, but I think it changed with season 2 and if I remember well it was clearly stated that this season was intended to explore the other characters and their world and I think that was the case (from the sisters and parents to some characters outside the family like the McBrides), while this season was made under his era, so I'm not sure about the fact that if he was still here, an episode like Deep Cuts wouldn't have seen the daylight (Fandom Pains doesn't feature Lincoln at all, and Savino co-directed it, and I guess he would've directed it entirely if he wasn't fired); but yeah, maybe it wouldn't have explored their universe as much as it does now, I don't, we don't and we'll never know.

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    Yeah, not much I can add here that hasn't already been said. Both episodes were solid, and I cannot decide which one I preferred more so for now they're both tied for best of the year.

    Also, the two episodes mentioned previously (Singled Out and Brave the Last Dance) will air on the 15th while the two that were supposed to air this Saturday (Write or Wrong and Purrfect Gig) have seemingly been delayed until the 18th. Slightly bummed at the news for the latter two as I was looking forward to them, but about a week and a half longer isn't too bad of a wait I guess.

    One last thing, does the synopsis for Singled Out really imply that Francisco won't be returning? The impression I got when I read it was that he would be.

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    Well actually they were supposed to air the 15th and Singled Out and Brave the Last Dance took their airdate. So we only have to wait three more days in comparison with what was intended first, which isn't bad at all.

    @John95, maybe you're right, but the way it's said with this plot does look like she will be seeking a new boyfriend. Guess we have to wait to find out. Also yes @CousinMerl, it was kinda predictable that most of the Loud kids' crushes would be reduced as one-off characters (and dare I say for the best regarding some of them, bring Rocky back for heaven's sake), but it's still funny to notice. Fortunately it wasn't the case for all of them and that's nice because L is for Love is such a great episode and I'm glad they didn't make it pointless.

    Also I rewatched the last two episodes and I still find them very good, and Deep Cuts even has some nice little jokes that I noticed later; Benny still being disguised as a cactus during the war between the three clubs cracked me up and I didn't noticed it the first time (also, I didn't talk about it but Luan calling Luna "hippie" was so unexpected that I couldn't help but laugh out loud; gotta love Pucelli's delivery).

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    I agree with @Wile E. the Brain that the delay for two of the upcoming episodes isn't too bad so it's not much of a biggie too me (also I have gotten used to those occasional 1-2 month long hiatuses by now).

    The fact that they have barely brugh the crushes back from 'L Is For Love' is not that bothers me a lot as even back then it felt like mostly an one-off for the montage save for those that did come back (Benny's return felt like some kind of miracle, though too bad about it ruining things for those LuanxMaggie shippers though, lol), but I definitely still agree that Rocky should come back as 'Back In Black' was a real good episode and Lucy & him were a cute couple; kinda makes that episode pointless in a sense to forget about him. Luckily 'L Is For Love' didn't forget about Sam (I'm sure that if they had there would have been an shitstorm since Sam seem too liked by the fanbase).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wile E. the Brain View Post
    Also I rewatched the last two episodes and I still find them very good, and Deep Cuts even has some nice little jokes that I noticed later; Benny still being disguised as a cactus during the war between the three clubs cracked me up and I didn't noticed it the first time (also, I didn't talk about it but Luan calling Luna "hippie" was so unexpected that I couldn't help but laugh out loud; gotta love Pucelli's delivery).
    The two episodes I think will be very rewatchable ones and I've been thinking of rewatching sooner or later. They really stood out as the best couple of the season and I seems both you and @John95 do agree about that.

    I didn't catch Benny in the cactus outfit but I will look for that when I revisit the episodes but I certainly picked up on Luan bluntly referring to Luna as "hippie" which got a chuckle from me (a nice little interaction moment and surprising as well; Christina does the part of Luan really well and I also like her part as Miranda on 'The Casagrandes').

    Speaking of 'Deep Cuts' what did you guys think of the bits with Lincoln walking in on Luna, Lori & Luan during their arguments and announcing dinner before stepping out after being glared at? I thought those were decent moments of humor (if pointless) but it seems like a lot of fans hated those parts (as in maybe the worst bits of the episode) and think the sisters were unfairly mean and cruel to him, with some calling it more Lincoln torture. I think it's hyperbole; the sisters were in a fight and them being in a pissy mood and glaring at someone who interrupts them felt understandable. What am I missing?)
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    I still don't get why LuanxMaggie is even a thing by the way, but eh, who am I to judge.

    I do agree that this couple is the best of the year so far (the best of the whole season, I don't think so however), but my favorite episode among the four that aired remains Community Disservice.

    Quote Originally Posted by CousinMerl View Post
    Speaking of 'Deep Cuts' what did you guys think of the bits with Lincoln walking in on Luna, Lori & Luan during their arguments and announcing dinner before stepping out after being glared at? I thought those were decent moments of humor (if pointless) but it seems like a lot of fans hated those parts (as in maybe the worst bits of the episode) and think the sisters were unfairly mean and cruel to him, with some calling it more Lincoln torture. I think it's hyperbole; the sisters were in a fight and them being in a pissy mood and glaring at someone who interrupts them felt understandable. What am I missing?)
    As pointless and simplistic as these jokes are, I chuckled at them (especially the second one; the "I just gotta go" reaction from Lincoln was priceless). I can understand that some people don't like these because they're pointless, but calling that Lincoln torture is overreacting. He doesn't get hurt (well actually he does once but because he tripped on Lori's golf clubs) and the reaction from the sisters is like you said understandable because they didn't want any interruption considering the situation they're in. It would've been the same with any other sibling but hey, because it's Lincoln, it's torture (though I can understand that Lincoln being the one interrupting the arguments is kind of an easy choice).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wile E. the Brain View Post
    I still don't get why LuanxMaggie is even a thing by the way, but eh, who am I to judge.
    Well, I think we all know how wacky, weird and sometimes extreme fanbases can be (and besides, regarding that pairing it's one I barely see or hear anything of anymore, probably thanks to the return of Benny).

    As for the Lincoln thing, I think that a lot of fans are too protective of him and the slightest bit of hostility that meets him (even when it is justified or explainable like this one) gets blown out of proportion with a lot of criticism. I think they should lighten up, much as he has been a lot better treated than earlier on in the series.

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    Dropping in to post my thoughts on the weekend's couple of Valentines-themed episodes and well, this time it was a fairly good duo. Maybe not as strong as the last one (which could be a difficult one to beat) but still very nice and enjoyable.

    'Singled Out' was a neat little episode. The plot was really straightforward, being about Lynn feeling left out when everyone in her roller derby team (which has a lot of new characters aside from Margo who is the only recurring friend of Lynn's, it seems) has a date in an boyfriend or girlfriend they are all occupied with them and wanting to fit in & after a series out tryouts finding a boyfriend in the nerdy Dexter so that she can be part of the team, but I liked how it turned out. It lacked complexity or depth but it still worked and Lynn had a good portrayal that kept. I liked her awkward relationship with Dexter, who couldn't keep up with her and her activities so that she fully could enjoy having a date (it went a little far when she acted a little abusive to Dexter at the Burpin' Burger, but it made sense with how she had no idea how to act to a date).

    The climax at Dairy Land was a nice one, with Lynn taking Dexter aside and breaking up since she cannot handle this superficial relationship and isn't into the love thing & I liked how he too was in an similar situation (having been forced to get a girlfriend by his friends); also, the Dairy Land cow mascot butting into their private moment and them telling him off was very funny (and I hope Dexter will return as Lynn's friend). The ending with Lynn now having no problems sitting aside from her friends and their dates at at Burpin' Burger (and getting into a condiment fight with this little boy) and some of the friends joining her was a good capper. A nice episode either way.

    'Brave The Last Dance' was a somewhat better one and an very good Valentines' story. The plot of this one was also pretty straightforward, that with Clyde having a crush on a girl named Emma in the Valentines dance planning committee he's in and wishing to ask her out to the dance and getting help from Lincoln and crew to make sure she likes him too, but turned out to be good (not to mention being an pretty adorable tale). There was some good astuff here with the gang aiding Clyde to find out if Emma likes him with a series of tests (like asking to borrow a pencil & having an tea leaf reading), I like the expanded role for Cheryl and Principal Huggins' toupee seems like it will be a recurring gag (also wonderful to have Clyde definitely not pining after Lori anymore).

    Clyde, after asking Emma out with an grand entrance (inspited by a favorite movie) being turned down as she only wants him as a friend, getting depressed made for solid drama with him dropping out of the committe and sulking at home. Him going to the dance to fix the baby shower cake (which was accidentally delivered instead of an Valentines cake) and bumping into Chloe, another member of the committee, and bonds with her as they like the same show (Dessert Storm) & Clyde taking the chance by asking her to dance, which they do and has a swell time was an sweet ending (I'm hoping they will stick with the Clyde & Chloe pairing since they are cute together). Maybe the best Clyde-centric episode thus far (and much better than 'Exchange At Heart')

    So yeah, a good pairing of episodes overall. Both had a lot of good enjoyable stuff in them and even though I'd probably still pick the last two episodes over them they were not bad at all, but as said, I hope the relationships from them (friends or romantic) will carry over to the rest of the series (oh, and additionally, might Lynn's "I thought I had a crush once, but it turned out I was just dehydrated" comment be a reference to her abeformentioned crush Franscisco in 'L Is For Love'? Maybe not).



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