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    This is my personal conjecture:

    If Sanders wins the Iowa and New Hampshire caucuses, it will bolster him and give him steam to go ahead and win many other states. It will show people that he can win and that enough people do stand behind him. If Clinton wins in Iowa, it will probably give her the strength to go forward and win many other states and likely give her enough power to stomp Sanders out. Just days before the Iowa caucus, her campaign is kind of falling apart. Massive numbers of donations are being made to the Sanders campaign and many people are working in Iowa to secure him the win. Only the results will tell, from Iowa we'll see how the both of them fare in winning states. I believe New Hampshire is a sure shoe-in for Sanders... the rest is truly up in the air.

    As for a Trump V. Clinton election, Clinton's campaign manager has literally said that if Trump gets the GOP nomination, Clinton will lose against him. SOURCE. That's my belief, too. This election seems to be hinging on establishment V. anti-establishment. A sizeable amount of people are angry at the way politics are being run and the way Clinton has obviously been bought out by both Wall Street and corporations. People are angry and yes, they're even willing to put Trump in the White House to show that they've had enough.

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    a bit controversial but no matter what you say about trump you have to admit he can take shit then give it right back
    at a lot of the rallies and shit that I've been watching he's been destroying hecklers and stuff. pretty good.

    he also never backs down from a question and will give an honest answer even if it's detrimental to him. also pretty good.

    however the shit about the wall and equality? that ain't good.
    personally I'd just go and join up with the UK monarchy for 4 years instead of electing anyone. clinton's too worried about being in with the youth of the america, trump's obsessed with keeping the mexicans and throwing a vote to a third party like bernie seems like a waste imo

    but then again im not american and don't understand most of what they say not do I care about any of this make america great again stuff. i figuratively can only vote from what they've been saying at different rallies
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    some bad opinions in that post

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    don't think that even though I think trump is a good public speaker i agree with what he says. i honestly wouldn't vote for him either if it came down to me in the voting booth. although I think voting for bernie is a waste of a vote at least he seems like he wants a better america, so I'd probably vote for him.
    trump may make that his campaign slogan but that's really not what he's doing and I can't understand why he doesn't see that.

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    i got clinton in the cnn quiz thing and sanders in the isidewith quiz so who knows. how is bernie on foreign policy?

    also, i have seen this mentioned a couple of times on twitter: does the nature of the make up of congress etc mean that, for the democrats, this next term realistically requires a candidate who will (a) be a defensive president (protecting obama's reforms) and (b) be good at foreign policy stuff? is that fair? i'm not across your system as much as i'd like to be

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    can you link the CNN quiz hamm buddy? I got Sanders on isidewith too but at the same time ehhhh we kind of already tried this vote in the anti-establishment guy and it really didn't work sooo

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    I still don't think Trump could win a national election. Too much of a ticking time bomb; the primaries have already gotten him to say a lot of soundbites that could really hurt him later on. Fox News doesn't like him either (although what can conservatives really do about it?).

    I have doubts that Bernie Sanders could win a national election either. Too many people get knee-jerk freaked out when they hear the word "socialist" so I imagine a Sanders/Trump showdown would end up being a referendum on the concept of socialism. Kinda pessimistic about the U.S. general public understanding how many social programs already exist within our own government. I think Trump could actually win if he were up against Sanders, but I could be wrong.

    (Maybe I'm just stubbornly clinging to my prediction that Hillary has this thing in the bag.)

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    i just can't imagine trump getting the republican nomination, when he's essentially doing everything he can to tell them to fuck off. by doing things like refusing to go on fox news debates he's taking down everything that has been the republican establishment for going on 20 years now. he's going after the repubs more than he is hillary or bernie after all, and that says something.

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    It seems like a pretty sure win for Trump in the primaries.

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    it's here: http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2...te-matchmaker/

    my instinct would be to vote hillary over sanders because
    1) trump risk is beyond imaginable and my instinct is hillary has a better chance of beating him
    2) in my head, sanders and corbyn are similar and obvs jezza is just the worst disaster (but i think it might actually be a fairly superficial comparison from what i know and i know huge corbyn haters who love sanders)
    3) i think obama has done quite a good job and she seems like she's the closest to a third obama term

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    Clinton is just Trump without the soundbites. She's just as poisonous.

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    hamm is Clintonite scum

    (also big thanks for linking the quiz. I got Clinton too!)


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    also there's that thing called the electoral college which is all but ensuring a hillary victory in the general if she can survive that long, which she should. it's still her election to lose, and if she does it'll be a bigger upset than gore in 2000.

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    Clinton is not a candidate, she's a puppet for Wall Street, corporations, and big money.

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    CAPITALISM IS CRISIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaiv View Post
    Clinton is not a candidate, she's a puppet for Wall Street, corporations, and big money.
    Welcome to the world of campaign finance reform, buddy.

    Let's start a NHC Super PAC.

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    How can you effectively judge a "crisis" in a country you don't live in and asked for opinions in the politics of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old painty-can Ned View Post
    Clinton is just Trump without the soundbites. She's just as poisonous.
    is she really "just as poisonous" though???

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    I mean yeah Clinton isn't going to be a great reformer or anything which would have been nice but she isn't running on an openly racist platform as of the last time I checked!

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    bernie is too busy scaring people with words and phrases like "taxes" and "free" and other things the american public are afraid of because they've been told for decades how socialism is bad. people don't want more taxes, even if it is for a good purpose like ensuring more people receive better education(of course many conservatives don't like this idea because they fear the more people are educated and don't rely on the religious aspect, the more irrelevant they will become as a political party).

    the republican strategy is more effective against bernie than it is hillary, no one cares about her emails and benghazi and while the right isn't going to stop bringing them up they know it to be true. but all they have to do with bernie is remind people about "taxes" to sink his campaign.

    it's going to be interesting if hillary wins the election too, because you can bet on the right hammering her on everything, they've been anti-clinton for more than 20 years. don't be surprised if the republicans try and impeach hillary during her term, they tried to do it to bill but of course he's slick willie and got out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaiv View Post
    How can you effectively judge a "crisis" in a country you don't live in and asked for opinions in the politics of?
    i was mostly joking dude, i am sure there are huge problems with campaign funding etc

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    you can just look where Clinton's donations come from vs Sanders and it's as easy as that.

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    ima go ahead and say getting donations from big business isn't morally equivalent to trump's muslim stuff
    one is just playing the (severely broken) game, the other is fascism

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    like I guess so???? It's just shitty to pretend to be a for the people candidate like Clinton tries to be when taking donations from the same people that have fucked over the very people she is supposed to be defending. Sanders is proving you don't have to play that game. You have to if you're a spineless candidate but not if you have actually have morals you wanna stick by.

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    as i said, i'm actually quite open to sanders. as far as i am aware of his positions, he is no corbyn aside from the superficial.
    for me it comes down to whether he has any chance of making a real difference because of everything else: whether he can win nationally, whether he can get anything through congress, whether he is competent enough to run the show etc etc

    it's great to have ideals and i have plenty but it is self-indulgent to vote for idealism if, in the real world, the results will end up worse (e.g. trump win or hapless government etc). i'm not saying it is the case that he will necessarily lose or he will necessarily be useless (that's why i asked tbh). but those are my concerns and if it is just about feeling good about sticking to principles rather than the greater good then (HOT TAKE) it's the ultimate individualistic act. again, not saying it's the case and i do think the USA is in desperate need for a social democratic left but those would be my own concerns.

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    Clinton will win, she'll be another Obama, nothing will change for 8 years as Republicans hold the House, except maybe a couple of those Republican scum on the Supreme Court finally die or retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steamed_hamms View Post
    as i said, i'm actually quite open to sanders. as far as i am aware of his positions, he is no corbyn aside from the superficial.
    for me it comes down to whether he has any chance of making a real difference because of everything else: whether he can win nationally, whether he can get anything through congress, whether he is competent enough to run the show etc etc

    it's great to have ideals and i have plenty but it is self-indulgent to vote for idealism if, in the real world, the results will end up worse (e.g. trump win or hapless government etc). i'm not saying it is the case that he will necessarily lose or he will necessarily be useless (that's why i asked tbh). but those are my concerns and if it is just about feeling good about sticking to principles rather than the greater good then (HOT TAKE) it's the ultimate individualistic act. again, not saying it's the case and i do think the USA is in desperate need for a social democratic left but those would be my own concerns.
    I don't think Sanders is magically gonna fix everything if he gets the democratic nod/becomes president but I'd rather vote for someone I agree with on issues and gets their funding from the people/groups they claim to support and not from billionaires/companies that are ones that just as harmful as anything that's slipped outta trumps lips than for someone who is "moderate" in the hopes that the right decides this time to for some reason work with this "moderate". The system doesn't get fixed by voting the same thing over and over and hoping that this time it will be different.

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    it's not about fixing the system magically by voting for the same thing, it's about voting for the person who can realistically ensure the direction of travel is correct. for example (and sorry for making the comparison so much but y'know), despite being our most left wing candidate, corbyn has ensured the direction of travel in uk politics remains to the right just because he is incompetent and unpopular. whereas blair moved the country left precisely because he was closer to the centre and incredibly good at the politics bit of governing. obama talks well about this. you can't go from 0 to 60 immediately if you want to take the country with you

    sanders could potentially be the best candidate in this case. if sanders makes a trump presidency *significantly* more likely than hillary though then i think it's self indulgent to take the risk.

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    But Corbyn isn't the leader of the country. He is the leader of a party who is the opposition to a government with a majority (iirc??). Whereas Sanders has it within his grasp now to have a real shot at being the president of the US. I know it's hackneyed as anything but the lesser of two evils is still an evil we could do without. Also although Sanders is a fella with a lot of principles he isn't afraid to actually admit when he fucks up or needs to change his policies (this became apparent in his reaction to BLM protesters at his rallies vs how Clinton reacts in those situations)

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    yeah and sanders isn't corbyn and other countries are different places so my comparison isn't entirely fair.
    my posts are concerns i have in the absence of much info about us politics. instinctual thoughts rather than assertions. i'd love to see national polling of sanders vs trump or other repub front runners to calm my fears basically.

    as i said, it isn't really good enough for america's left to merely be liberal rather than social democrats so



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