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    Well, while the first half of season 2, outside of the first two episodes and a few ones here and there, did have some fairly pointless filler (of which some got a little meh), once it got to the episodes with Glossaryck in the donut box, the flag game and the detention where Star befriends Janna it really started to pick up and get really good so I see what you mean; I think it really found itself there.

    Just a few small musings on a few of the characters who pop up regularily:

    Janna blended in nicely as a major character; she works really well as a close friend of Star and it feels wierd it didn't happen until so soon. The ways she keeps prying and sneaking herself into Marco's private life is amusing and makes me wonder if she has a small crush on him (which it does feel like).

    Jackie is surprisingly good too; she is pretty cool and very level headed for a teenager, always being friendly, hearing him out when he wants to say something (even when he gets awkward) and doesn't lose her temper. Even though they do seem to click I somehow get the feeling that she might not be the endgame.

    As for Tom, I gotta say that I like the direction they are taking him, having him get more friendly with Marco and put the one-sided rivalry from his side to rest (even though they still don't really like one another). I'm surprised at how they keep the character likeable even though he can be an jerkass with serious anger issues.

    Glossaryck is another one who started appearing more and becoming really important. He's pretty amusing though rarely useful and tends to goof around, but still ends up giving enough help when he needs to and provides nice laughs; he's a good Yoda-type character for the show (and I like his mentor backstory which adds to the lore).

    I also like how Buff Frog, who was one of the most one note recurring characters in the first season, unexpectedly turned into such an important and likeable major one; I enjoy it when they do things like this with characters who are seemingly unimportant at first.
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    Ok, so I finished season two the other day and it was definitely an improvement over the first season even though it maybe was a little more uneven and felt like it had a bit more purely filler episodes. Some of the episodes were some of the worst so far (such as Pizza Thing, The Bounce Lounge, All Belts Are Off & Collateral Damage) but a lot of them were some of the best so far (like Ludo In The Wild, Starstruck, Into The Wand, Bon Bon, Face The Music & Starcrushed) so it definitely evens out the overall score.

    I've also noticed (and definitely like) how several of the minor characters I've not mentioned yet have been stepping up into the spotlight and getting a lot of attention and character development (such as Queen Butterfly; really starting to like her) and I like a lot of the new and more or less important ones, such as the magic high council (gotta say that their fight in the last episode was something else) and the whole subplot about Ludo was really good (and led well into the resurrection of a certain enemy; at first I was a bit confused at of how he survived and came back via magic but I looked it up on the Star Vs. wiki to find out but didn't go past the season 2 descriptions because of spoilers).

    One thing I do find a bit odd is how hard they are pushing the StarxMarco relationship when Marco and Jackie seem to work so well together, causing an in my opinion unnecessary love triangle with a bitter and jelaous Star. I think Marco and Star are great as just best friends so I don't see why there why they cannot stay that way and seemingly has to be a couple; a boy and a girl can be besties without involving romance and in my opinion it can be just as sweet.

    But all things considered, I'm really liking it so far and look forward to starting season 3 (especially after that cliffhanger; wow).
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    Sorry for the triple post, but I was thinking of the episodes I didn't like so far and I'm wondering; what episodes are your least favorites, folks?
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    10 episodes that I don't care for:

    Matchmaker
    The Other Exchange Student
    Brittney's Party
    Royal Pain
    Star vs. Echo Creek
    Pizza Thing
    Naysaya
    All Belts are Off
    Trial by Squire
    Ponymonium

    And 15 that I love:

    Blood Moon Ball
    Mewnipendance Day
    Ludo in the Wild
    Game of Flags
    Sleepover
    Into the Wand
    Bon Bon the Birthday Clown
    Just Friends
    Face the Music
    Starcrushed
    The Battle for Mewni: Puddle Defender
    Sweet Dreams
    Night Life
    Deep Dive
    Monster Bash

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    Thanks for replying, @Traviud.

    Watching season 3 and enjoying it just fine. Battle For Mewni was great and really the high point so far (it did feel more like a series finale than anything and the last part felt rushed with an true Deus Ex Machina and people that Ludo got rid off coming back without no explanation) and if I shall be really honest, after it and other than the Eclipsa stuff which I think is really interesting, as is  Glossaryck coming back wrong , the show is starting to lose me just a little bit.

    Maybe it's just me who thinks that Battle For Mewni should have had more impact going forward and there be more of a focus on Eclipsa and the monster oppression and such but it feels like it so far doesn't work as well as it should and stumbles filler and things that otherwise doesn't add much relevant stuff(and just handwaving away the Earth elemenents when Marco went away to Mewni felt off, the same with one of the big bads of the series getting destroyed without getting to know any of what he had planned or what his goal was).

    It embraces a lot of in my opinion unnecessary relationship drama as an important factor and the show doesn't feel as funny or interesting as before which might just be the whiplash from going to full on dramatic stuff in Battle For Mewni to a lot of silly and more or less inconsequential stuff like in season one (and Ludo not being a part of the series anymore is definitely felt). It partially feels like it doesn't really know which direction to take, forgets things that should be important, adds semi-filler to pad out and the writing doesn't always feel as strong as some of the scripts in the previous seasons.

    I hope the series picks up again soon since it was going on so great back there (but I still really like it).

    (Oh, and the last episode I watched was Trial By Squire which wasn't very good. Higgs got a place among my least favorite characters alongsides Princess Ponyhead & Jeremy; nope, her "excuse" for being an asshole doesn't cut it. She's an unlikeable bully).
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    Sorry to hear about you losing interest in season 3, I'm loving it so far, the only episodes I really dislike were "Ponymonium" and maybe "Starfari" (it's really mediocre but I'm not sure if it's bad category)
    Although I agree with you: there's too much love drama (it only gets worse) and the end of battle of Mewni was truly Deus Ex Machina but everything before that was great.
    I don't miss Ludo at all, he was my least favorite main character and they gave him way too much focus. Sadly after the introduction of his family in season 2 I think he'll come back to end his story.
    Eclipsa is an amazing character, I love everything about her.
    "Night Life/Deep Dive" must be my favorite half hour of the show.
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    @MDB, Well, to be fair I haven't lost much interest as I still want to and will continue watching (and there's been some good development still, both with plot and characters), it's just that I've noticed something of a slump after TBFM and it having made some decisions I do not exactly agree with (such as, again, the relationship melodrama that feels so forced and comes off as pandering to the shipping fans and that they are sidelining Eclipsa) but I'm sure it will pick up the pace and get better (as I understand it will).

    And I'm a little bit surprised that Ludo is your least favorite major character. I think his arc has been one of the strongest and most interesting of the series and he's a fun villain, but I can definitely see why some wouldn't like him. Ponyhead is still my least favorite major character.
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    oh. I forgot about Ponyhead. She is definitely worse.

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    Oh, if you're at Trial by Squire, don't worry, it gets a whole lot better. The end of this bomb was ridiculously good, about as good as the show has ever been.

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    Last episodes I saw was Princess Turdina, Starfari, Sweet Dreams and Lava Lake Beach and I think it already picked itself up the first three (and I liked that Starfari brought up the monster classification thing about some of the monsters aren't considered monsters while others are & the answers are pretty messed up and backwards, just like the Mewnians, especially the ones at the top, are when it comes to certain things).

    So, well, there you have it. The show hasn't lost it yet.

    Oh, and I've got to say that breaking up Marco and Jackie was shoddy. They had built up the relationship throughout two seasons before they became an item & they felt natural together, but all of that had to be thrown away because it got in the way of his love for Star. And when he goes back to Mewni like he wanted a lot of it is for nothing as Star doesn't have a crush on him anymore and has gotten back with Tom, making his presence kinda superfluous.

    The drama feel like fan fiction-tier and pandering to the shipping fanatics (and I have noticed the drama has affected Star and Marco's friendship and they have drifted apart a bit). I hope they don't go even further with this mess and doesn't devote more full episodes to it; there should be more focus on what is really important.
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    Well, now I've caught up with the show where it currently is.

    I really enjoyed the trilogy of episodes about Star's nighttime portal jumping (Sweet Dreams, Night Life & Deep Dive) and that last one (Monster Bash) is very likely my favorite so far (I really liked how Star's monster friendship party was a framing story of both Mina coming back more crazy and violent than ever and Miss Heinous' story going somewhere really interesting; seeing both these villains in the together with Star and Marco in the midde was great and wonder if there's a plan to make one of them or Eclipsa the main villain. Would like it if it was Mina who is still very fun and entertaining; it would be interesting with an flashback episode which shows when and how she really went off the deep end).

    The only real negative is that there has been way too much Ponyhead lately; that episode with her and her family (Ponymonium) taking central roles was one of the weakest and most pointless episodes yet. I wish they were more sparse with using her and instead brought in other companion characters for Star once in a while.

    I see there's a new couple of episodes tomorrow; then those are the next ones to watch. Despite it's issues I'm glad I got into the show.

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    Glad to see you've caught up. While I do hope Star and Marco get together in a fully romantic sense (it's canon that she's physically attracted to adult Marco), I do think the shipping drama has gotten out of hand somewhat. Star's relationship with Eclipsa has loads of potential and deserves more attention than it has received, right alongside Star's current goal to fix race relations in Mewni. I think the show is headed in a great direction and while the shipping has been a distraction, I don't believe it will permanently derail any of the larger arcs of the show so much as spice up the filler periods.

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    Furthermore, I must say that you were right about what you said about Jackie and Tom, @Traviud; they are treated as sacrificial lambs for StarxMarco and it's a shame they don't get any meaningful character arcs or development. Jackie has always been just Marco's love interest and now she's essentially dropped (but I guess she'll show up once in a while) and Tom always stands in Star's shadow and is all about their relationship (the only time he's actually been useful for the story going forward was in Monster Bash when he tried to seal Mina away). I wish they would be expanded upon and get be utilized more and in much better, important ways.

    Also, I have a couple of questions:

    - Why are the episodes Hungry Larry & Spider With A Top Hat considered non-canon? I read on the Star Vs. wiki that one of those who came up with the stories said they take place outside of the series' regular timeline for some reason.

    - Do you guys think they killed off  Toffee  too soon (or was it a good time to get rid of him)? I feel a bit conflicted since I do think they pulled it off well and it was an epic scene, but he had just come back and then was annihilated without we getting to know more about him or what he was planning to do. One of the more interesting characters, gone in a flash (I hope he gets brought back by dark magic or something).
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    @CousinMerl,

    Maybe they consider Spider with a Top Hat to be non-canon because it feels kinda pointless? Hungry Larry's alright though.

    Yeah, I'm also conflicted over whether it was the right call for them to kill off  Toffee  so soon, though I'm liking Eclipsa very much so far who may or may not be his replacement for the season.

    Also, with what you said about Jackie & Tom being sacrificial lambs for Star & Marco's relationship (though I'll admit that I do like Jackie), I was worried that  Kelly  was gonna go down the same route if the ending of Lava Lake Beach was any indication. But as of Monster Bash, it seems as though that was simply a one-off thing that won't be further expanded upon thankfully. But at the end of the day I also agree with @Traviud regarding the romances starting to get a little out of hand (plots like that are part of the reason why I lost interest in the TD franchise) and that they should dial back on those plots.

    I'll be seeing the Holiday episode that airs today sometime between now and tomorrow and I'll come back to list my favorite episodes of each season up to this point.
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    Sorry for the double post, but it appears as though I'm the first to say what they thought of yesterday's episodes. Stump Day was pretty good but Holiday Spellical... Reminded me too much of Spider with a Top Hat where at the end of the day I really don't see what the point of the episode was.

    And as promised, here are my favorite episodes of each season so far (in no real order):

    Season 1 (NOTE: It's been awhile since I've watched a majority of this season)
    Mewberty
    Blood Moon Ball
    Freeze Day
    St. Olga's Reform School for Wayward Princesses
    Storm the Castle

    Season 2
    Starstruck
    Game of Flags
    Girls' Day Out
    Sleepover
    Into the Wand
    Bon Bon the Birthday Clown
    Running with Scissors
    Heinous
    Just Friends
    Starcrushed

    Season 3 (so far)
    Moon the Undaunted
    Stranger Danger
    Sophomore Slump
    Trial by Squire
    Princess Turdina
    Sweet Dreams
    Night Life
    Deep Dive
    Monster Bash

    As a bonus, here are my least favorite episodes so far across the whole series:

    Pixtopia
    Friendenemies
    Pizza Thing
    Trickstar
    All Belts Are Off
    Book Be Gone
    Ponymonium

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    I was gonna post my opinion on the two new episodes but you got here first.

    I think these two episodes were alright (kinda felt like the obligatory Christmas episodes, but I liked the Stump Day concept). 'Stump Day' was okay and had some good stuff but there were some things that I didn't like or care for (Star being an inconsiderate jerk who starts destroying the surprise party because of the Stump Day thing and Tom & Ponyhead blaming Marco even though they helped him with the party which leads to Marco and Tom getting into a pointless fight; it became kinda eye-rolling and unpleasant) but I liked what followed and it had a good ending. Maybe 'Holiday Spellical' was more pointless (and even more fillerish considering it really doesn't add anything to the mythos) but I think I liked it a bit more (maybe because I liked 'Spider With A Top Hat') and I thought it was a little bit funnier and more likeable than the other one.

    Still, I wish these would have been a bit more connected to the story considering there's already been a lot of filler this season (and where was Eclipsa? I think she should have been in at least 'Stump Day' but they seem to gloss over her a lot and just give her a few small appearances as to say "Hey, remember this lady? Yeah, she's still around" when she should be a prominent character to develop; I'd even have swapped the latter episode to one focusing on her on Stump Day).

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    Very much enjoyed Stump Day, even if Star was a bit over the top. It was a rather successful way of merging the different shipping arcs with something lore-based. I usually love when they do that and it wasn't badly executed here. Holiday Spellcial was less significant and substantive, but I always dig some Spider with a Top Hat. I liked that we actually saw him break a bit. The ending was a bit rushed, which is probably my biggest complaint. Overall, a very enjoyable half hour of television, but it's not much to leave us with before a hiatus.

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    How long will this hiatus be? I saw someone mention two to four months but I hope it won't be more than one.

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    Season 2A wrapped in the late fall and 2B began in February. Seems like we're on a similar track for season 3.

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    Thinking back to how the third season turned out and the romance melodrama with the shipping is still bothersome, maybe more so now when it has sunk in. I wonder who decided it was a good idea to have it take the front center stage over the important story elements (and I hope that they'll go back to basics with the fourth season).

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    Season 3 isn't over. There are still a couple weeks worth of episodes left early next year that could flip the narrative entirely.

    I've liked this season a lot so far anyway. Battle for Mewni was really good and Night Life/Deep Dive/Monster Bash were as strong as the best of season 2.

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    True, it's not over yet and I've still really liked a lot of the season (not only Battle For Mewni but also Rest In Pudding, Stranger Danger, Princess Turdina, Sweet Dreams, Night Life, Deep Dive & Monster Bash). I still have faith in that they'll get back on track in the second half of the season.

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    Since Jeffery Tambor has been accused of sexual harassment as well as what happened to Louis C.K's cameo on Gravity Falls, I wonder if they'll do the same thing to Glossaryck.

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    I think this would be a bit more problematic considering Glossaryck is such a major character as opposed to one who is only in a couple of scenes but I guess they could still do the extra effort to redub all his scenes (which I won't be surprised if they also did with Robbie on Gravity Falls due to the TJ Miller accusations).

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    Read that the next episodes (Is Another Mystery & Marco Jr.) were set to air on the 22nd this month but were delayed. Too bad; I was looking forward to especially the first one of those; the Buff Frog episodes have always been enjoyable.

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    The show supposedly returns March 3rd with
    The Bogbeast of Boggabah
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    Total Eclipsa of the Heart
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    Is Another Mystery
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    Marco Jr.
    are still indefinitely delayed.

    It's about time we came back to Eclipsa, especially with the recent revelation regarding her child.

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    The Eclipsa episode is definitely is the most interesting one to me; she should have been a more major character than she turned out to be after the build-up and I hope that will change now, which is likely. To be honest I'd like a little less filler and a little more story from now on.

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    I kinda feel like maybe that's the direction the show might be going in now after what we've learned about her daughter.

    I also wouldn't mind a lot less Ponyhead either.

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    Well the second half of season 2 was lightyears ahead of the first half in terms of quality and focus, as is the case for a lot of shows with a running plot, honestly. I'm looking forward to seeing what they've got for us.

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    Seems like we have ourselves a small schedule now.

    https://twitter.com/DisneyXD/status/961781714531115008

    (Nice to see that there's a Ludo episode in there).



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