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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie View Post
    I say people on the dole should be forced into volunteer jobs!!!
    Slave labour, pretty much. Everyone I know that claims JSA is genuinely trying hard to get work. I even (willingly) did some temporary volunteer work and expressed interest to continue a few days a week (sadly that never happened).

    But their crap is just making it even harder to get a job. I've been told I have 4 weeks to find a job before they refer me to the work programme, and people on the work programme can't apply for Careers Wales jobs (apprenticeships and job vacancies aimed towards young inexperienced people) which would have been my only hope of ever finding a job. But those idiots just lump you with the minority of people that are genuinely lazy and ruin it for the rest of us, it's not fair for all of us to get shat on because of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiderpigAKAHarryPlopper View Post
    Slave labour, pretty much. Everyone I know that claims JSA is genuinely trying hard to get work. I even (willingly) did some temporary volunteer work and expressed interest to continue a few days a week (sadly that never happened).

    But their crap is just making it even harder to get a job. I've been told I have 4 weeks to find a job before they refer me to the work programme, and people on the work programme can't apply for Careers Wales jobs (apprenticeships and job vacancies aimed towards young inexperienced people) which would have been my only hope of ever finding a job. But those idiots just lump you with the minority of people that are genuinely lazy and ruin it for the rest of us, it's not fair for all of us to get shat on because of them.

    I honestly dont see where the system has failed young people. They give education up until the age of 18, and they cant turn you down for apprenticeships if your 19 and under here if you show them you're prepared to work (even with no education). Work experience doesn't just turn up on your doorstep, you have to get about and try different aspects of work in different areas.
    I think the work programme is a good thing, (or at least here, anyway). I hear that they have group sessions, 1-1, work on CV's, and set up work experience with a potential job at the end of completion.
    What frustrates me is people who have been out of work for MONTHS or YEARS, and they haven't had any recent experience, and they expect to get a job with... nothing..no recent experience. If your looking for a job you need recent experience, employers aren't going to pick a person who's been out of work for a year or so doing nothing.

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    Because who wants to teach kids about icky foreign cultures anyway?

    To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men axed as Gove orders more Brit lit

    To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men axed as Gove orders more Brit lit
    New English literature GCSE ditches American classics for pre-20th century British authors such as Dickens and Austen

    Academics and writers have reacted angrily to plans to drop classic American novels including To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men from the GCSE curriculum as a result of the insistence by the education secretary, Michael Gove, on students studying more British literature.

    The new English literature GCSE syllabus to be published this week by OCR, one of the biggest UK exam boards, will leave out Harper Lee's Pulitzer-prizewinning 1960 novel of racism in the American south. John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, and Arthur Miller's play The Crucible – in which the Salem witch-hunts serve as a metaphor for McCarthyite anti-communist zealotry – will also disappear from the list, according to the Sunday Times. Another exam board, Edexcel, is expected to follow suit.

    Although a statement from the Department for Education insisted that it was not banning anything, Paul Dodd of OCR attributed the change directly to the education secretary. "Of Mice and Men, which Michael Gove really dislikes, will not be included. It was studied by 90% of teenagers taking English literature GCSE in the past. Michael Gove said that was a really disappointing statistic," he told the Sunday Times.

    Christopher Bigsby, professor of American studies at the University of East Anglia, and the biographer of Arthur Miller, said the "union jack of culture" was now fluttering over Gove's department.

    "These works are to be rejected in the name of a more nationally centred syllabus, and this from a confessed admirer of rap. As the home secretary does her best to patrol our borders to keep out international students, who she regards as immigrants, so the GCSE syllabus is to be kept for the English for fear that Romanian novels might move in next door."

    The move provoked a furious reaction on Twitter, with the hashtag Mockingbird trending. The actor Mark Gatiss, co-creator of the BBC drama Sherlock, tweeted: "Since when was the wretched Michael Gove allowed to dictate what children read? This man is a dangerous philistine."

    Bethan Marshall, a senior lecturer in English at King's College London and chair of the National Association for the Teaching of English, said the list could put children off continuing English literature to A-level. She said: "Many teenagers will think that being made to read Dickens aged 16 is just tedious. This will just grind children down."

    Marshall said schools would be depressed by the new syllabus. "It's a syllabus out of the 1940s and rumour has it Michael Gove, who read literature, designed it himself."

    Last year, Gove, who has said children should be reading 50 books a year from the age of 11, told a conference of independent school heads that he would much prefer to see a child reading George Eliot's Middlemarch than one of Stephenie Meyer's Twilight vampire novels.

    The actor and writer Emma Kennedy tweeted: "But why would Gove want children to learn about tolerance and doing what is right rather than what is popular?"

    The Department for Education said: "In the past, English literature GCSEs were not rigorous enough and their content was often far too narrow. We published the new subject content for English literature in December. It doesn't ban any authors, books or genres. It does ensure pupils will learn about a wide range of literature, including at least one Shakespeare play, a 19th-century novel written anywhere and post-1914 fiction or drama written in the British Isles.

    "That is only the minimum pupils will be expected to learn. It is now up to exam boards to design new GCSEs, which must then be accredited by the independent exams regulator Ofqual."

    The direction on the syllabus content published by the department last year, and which exam boards must follow, specified: "Students should study a range of high-quality, intellectually challenging, and substantial whole texts in detail. These must include: at least one play by Shakespeare; at least one 19th-century novel; a selection of poetry since 1789, including representative Romantic poetry; and fiction or drama from the British Isles from 1914 onwards. All works should have been originally written in English."

    The exam boards – and indeed individual schools – are free to add any extra books they see fit, but the new rules have left them very little room for any 20th-century writing from outside Britain.

    Although pre-20th century literature will now dominate, Anita and Me, Meera Syal's 1996 story of a British Punjabi girl in the Midlands, and DNA, Dennis Kelly's 2007 play about bullying, are understood to have made it on to the list.

    Expert view from Christopher Bigsby: Gove pulls up the drawbridge

    It's good to see the union jack of culture fluttering from education central as Michael Gove proposes the omission from the GCSE syllabus of Arthur Miller's The Crucible, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, and Harper Lee's To Kill a Mocking Bird. What possible value, after all, could such texts have? The Crucible concerns a man who stands up against a ruling ideology, rejects expediency and denies the right of those in power to determine his actions. Ah, well, perhaps I see. But isn't this the education secretary who, in speaking of the history syllabus, insisted that he was not going to come up with any prescriptive lists?

    Of Mice and Men, meanwhile, has at its heart the poor and learning disabled, a little too reminiscent, perhaps, of those currently being hit by the bedroom tax and urged out to work by a private company with a clipboard where others have a heart. To Kill a Mockingbird deals with sexual violence against women and a man whose colour puts him in trouble with the police and the justice system, something that we know, of course, does not occur.

    In fact, these works are to be rejected in the name of a more nationally centred syllabus, and this from a confessed admirer of rap. As the home secretary does her best to patrol our borders to keep out international students, whom she regards as immigrants, so the GCSE syllabus is to be kept for the English for fear that Romanian novels might move in next door.

    Outside the school gates is a cosmopolitan world, revelling in the different cultures and histories that have become part of the story of these islands. Within them, it seems, we can preserve this island race, untroubled by other perspectives.

    Of course we should teach important works of English literature, but a glimpse of an alternative world view has its value. What will the fate of another GCSE favourite be: The Diary of Anne Frank? A straight swap with LP Hartley? And what of art? Will Cézanne have to make way for John Sell Cotman?
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    Getting rid of 'To Kill a Mockingbird' truly does epitomise the tories ethos on Education.

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    Michael Gove might just be the worst of the lot, with his 1940's syllabus, complete disregard for children and tub-thumping nationalism. And the fact that every single complain against him is an irrational Marxist plot apparently.

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    my mum works in a school and ever since the tories have come in has become far more left wing (well, labour) having seen gove's effect on education. that and stupid policies like this is enough to convince me you can't trust the tories with education

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    I must confess, I honestly decided to vote for the Roman Party in the European Elections who are only representing the South East of England and they currently have a grand total of...

    ...68!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Spruce Moose View Post
    Because who wants to teach kids about icky foreign cultures anyway?

    To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men axed as Gove orders more Brit lit
    I've never read "To Kill a Mockingbird" but we did read "Of Mice and Men" in English class at GCSE level. I remember thoroughly enjoying it which makes this news even more agitating to me than it already is. I always have hated it when I see stories about people in positions of power wanting "More British" things because they go about it in such a fucking xenophobic manner. You want more British literature in Schools? That's totally fine, but that doesn't mean you should stamp out other works just because they don't come from the same part of the world that you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunbadia View Post
    I've never read "To Kill a Mockingbird" but we did read "Of Mice and Men" in English class at GCSE level. I remember thoroughly enjoying it which makes this news even more agitating to me than it already is. I always have hated it when I see stories about people in positions of power wanting "More British" things because they go about it in such a fucking xenophobic manner. You want more British literature in Schools? That's totally fine, but that doesn't mean you should stamp out other works just because they don't come from the same part of the world that you do.
    I highly recommend you read 'To Kill a Mockingbird'. Tremendous book.

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    The European Elections went so fukin baaad I mean the racist anti-islam Front Nationale is the wins the election in France, and NDP a neonazi party gets mandate in Germany. I mean uuuugh noooo
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    If anyone here would like to punch Michael Gove in the face, you can now do so in this state of the art simulation.
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    Laobur? Oh, you mean Red Tories. Yeah I agree, pack of cunts.

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    On an unrelated note does anyone know how to cancel a Labour Party membership? I'm...uh...asking for a friend.

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    still naively hoping this is all a show for the right wing press to help them get elected and when ed's pm he just scraps it all in favour of some lovely socialist policies (eg. renationalising the railways) that we all know and love

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    now at least i know (more so) that i was right not to join labour youth

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    Haha Gove got demoted. Good riddance.

    This is his replacement though

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    Nicky Morgan: New Education Secretary voted against same-sex marriage and for restricted abortion access
    Ms Morgan is also Minister for Women and Equalities - but Nick Boles has been appointed to implement the same-sex marriage legislation

    The Prime Minister’s announcement that Nicky Morgan has been promoted to the role of Education Secretary has been met with mixed reactions after it emerged she voted against legalising same-sex marriage.

    Oxford University graduate Ms Morgan worked as a corporate solicitor until her election as an MP for Loughborough in 2010, before her rapid ascension to the position of Minister for Women in April this year.

    Her post now includes the added responsibility of equalities to her previous brief as minister for women. Mr Cameron has placed Nick Boles in charge of implementing the same sex marriage legislation.

    Having a second minster comes after Ms Morgan, a trustee of the Conservative Christian Fellowship, said she voted against same-sex marriage in 2013 on the basis that she could not reconcile it with her religion.

    When asked by The Leicester Mercury why she voted against legalising same-sex marriage, she responded: “I think that was one of the issues people, especially those who asked me to vote against, found hardest to accept and it also tied in with my own Christian faith too.

    "Marriage, to me, is between a man and a woman."


    Her appointment has also raised eyebrows in light of the fact she backed anti-abortion campaigner Nadine Dorries' amendment to the Health and Social Care Bill, to require independent advice be made available to women requesting an abortion.

    Asked whether Mrs Morgan's opposition to gay marriage would affect her handling of equalities issues, the Prime Minister's official spokesman told a Westminster media briefing: "As you will remember, there was a free vote on this issue, but it is now the law of the land.

    "What matters in terms of gay marriage, which the Prime Minister very much supported, is that as a result of this Prime Minister it is on the statute book." Ms Morgan has since insisted that while there were "various reasons" behind her vote against gay marriage, the law must now be respected.

    She told The Times earlier this month: "The Church of England, of which I'm a member, had a very specific view. I had a lot of constituents asking me to vote in a particular way, which I respected and listened to, but I'm absolutely pro same-sex relationships and I have many gay friends.

    "The law is the law and we move forward and respect that. We all need to do that, including the Church."

    Ms Morgan is married to architect Jonathan Morgan and has one son.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9607517.html

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    She is my local MP and me and a few people from my school had a lengthy exchange with her re: equal marriage and yep she is awful. Luckily, our seat was Labour from 1997-2010 so we have an opportunity here to get rid of her.

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    Ugh. I swear they're only getting rid of Gove because giving us anything but is supposed to make the government look better. It would be nice if we could vote on such matters, or even if people who work within the education sector could vote, and to know who else would have liked to appeal for the job. I dislike that they can just move these arseholes around and keep them powerful despite public outcry.
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    @hamm, may I request any explanation you might have for why an anti-propaganda law doesn't really exist? When writing my assignments it occurred to me that newspapers don't appear to be required to cite anything, and I got thinking. It seems that propaganda only really benefits the right, either because the left won't sink to that level, or plain sucks at making things viral, or a mixture of both. Why isn't Britain First required to prove that the incidents it profits from actually happened in more or less the way they claim? Personally, I don't think a well-considered propaganda law necessarily impinges on free speech if it extends only as far a statements published by organisations and companies being required to link to sources or else be very clearly labelled "satire" or "opinion piece", but I'm sure I must be missing something intrinsic to the left-leaning view. If there's one thing my degree has taught me, it's how much easier it would be to become a moderately trusted journalist than a Sociology graduate.

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    it is a difficult position to place the government in for them to have to decide and dictate what opinions are okay to express and i guess that kind of thing begins to infringe upon this. libel laws and shit exist but i'm not really hugely sure of the full extent of the legality regarding what you're saying really. i don't know, basically. i'm sure someone else can give a better answer.

    super happy with the new debate format. really nerdily excited now. who y'all voting for?

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    probably Labour but not with any great enthusiasm

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    my local green party is apparently fielding a candidate now so seeing as i live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country i'll probably vote for them

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    Greens.

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    I would vote Green, but they've never bothered putting up a candidate here. Plus my seat is theoretically safe Labour, but our local MP isn't particularly popular and anti-immigrant policies tend to be popular round these parts, so abandoning Labour opens up a chance of Tories or UKIP more than anyone else.

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    yeah, i am voting labour coz i am in a super unsafe seat but it is nicky morgan or labour basically

    i am also a bit wary of the greens but, as a protest vote against labour, i would consider

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamm View Post
    yeah, i am voting labour coz i am in a super unsafe seat but it is nicky morgan or labour basically

    i am also a bit wary of the greens but, as a protest vote against labour, i would consider
    What makes you slightly wary of the Greens?

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