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    I just read a post online where someone attempted to define which groups in society are "cretins" and used the word "encourageable" in the place of "incorrigible". Really. If you're going to be so strict about which kinds of humans are too stupid to live, at least make sure you're working within your vocabulary.
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    What about text talk like "lol" or "ttyl"?
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    It shouldn't be used in formal writing, but it does have a purpose for a specific type of communication. One thing I cannot stand, however, is when people change spellings of words. For example, "you" somehow becomes "u".

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    I suppose, but when I talk with people, it gets annoying if they say "like" a lot. For example, "this is, like, the best thing in the world"

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    I know a lot of people that need to say "like" in every sentence. It feels as if they aren't confident or sure of what they are talking about, and they've sadly done the same thing during their job interview (in which they lost their job opportunity, of course).
    I don't have a lot of problems with internet slangs such as "lol", "u", "plz", but overusing these will still get irritating to read sometimes.

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    I don't like the people that use the text talk irl

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    Here's an interesting article about Internet English from The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/book...ole?CMP=twt_gu

    The internet might be a historic boon for kitten-fanciers and steaming-eared trolls, but it's not all good news. Online writing, you see, is destroying the purity of English as we know it and threatening to dumb us all down into a herd of screen-jabbing illiterates. Or so runs one regular technophobic complaint, the latest version of which has been offered by Robert McCrum. He is worried about what he describes as "the abuse and impoverishment of English online (notably, in blogs and emails)" and what he perceives as "the overall crassness of English prose in the age of global communications". The remedy, as so often for such linguo-pessimists, is George Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language", about whose loopy prescriptions I have previously recorded my own reservations.

    But is it really true that English is being abused and impoverished in "blogs and emails"? I suppose it depends what kind of blogs one reads – the New Yorker's Page Turner blog or Crooked Timber seem pretty well-written to me – and what kind of email correspondents one is blessed with (a lot of mine, I'm happy to say, are rather excellent stylists). As for the "overall crassness" of internet prose, there is an increasing amount of very fine essay-writing going on for online-only publications such as Aeon magazine and Matter. McCrum laments "the violence the internet does to the English language", though from my point of view, here in front of my laptop, the internet seems rather faithfully to transmit whatever I type to the eyes of waiting readers without doing violence to it at all. If there's anything wrong with the result, it's my fault, not the internet's.

    Of course there's a lot of bad writing on the web, but there's a lot of very good writing too. There's just more writing at all levels of quality. McCrum offers no evidence that the bad is a greater proportion of the whole than it ever was. Arguably, thanks to internetworked electronic communications, people are writing more than ever before in history. This does not by itself seem adequate cause for dejection among the literati.

    Moreover, against the claim that the internet is impoverishing our language must be set the truth that it is (somehow simultaneously) expanding it with new and entertaining means of expression. Take, for instance, the very useful ejaculation "facepalm". This splendidly economical way of indicating ironic despair — sometimes accompanied by an image of Captain Jean-Luc Picard covering his face with his hand — is just one of the useful lexical innovations the internet offers to those who actually read it. As Tom Chatfield's recent book on the subject, Netymology, explains: "When I type out the word 'facepalm', nobody actually thinks that I'm dropping my own head into my hand (even though I may be doing so). The agreed convention, rather, is that typing this neatly compressed term is an efficiently vivid way of suggesting – through a word – that I consider myself lost for words."

    The same kind of enjoyable perfomativity attends a semantic cousin of "facepalm" that Chatfield doesn't mention, and which is slightly more violent in its ironic despondency – "headdesk". One should be careful to distinguish between the two usages. "Headdesk" seems to imply that one is so appalled by the stimulus in question that one is prepared to cause oneself physical pain as a welcome distraction. But just covering one's eyes with one's hand seems gentler, sadder, perhaps even a little sympathetic. So the next time we read a detail-free moan about how the internet is ruining our language, I think the right response, all things considered, is a rousing chorus of "FACEPALM".
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    That's the most hilariously intellectual definition of "headdesk" I've ever seen.

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    Good choice of words

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    There is a billboard advertising an ice cream place in my town. It says it has "Shake's," "Split's," and two other things I can't remember that also have misplaced apostrophes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Financial Panther View Post
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    There is a billboard advertising an ice cream place in my town. It says it has "Shake's," "Split's," and two other things I can't remember that also have misplaced apostrophes.
    This is some devastating news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhere Man View Post
    This is some devastating news.
    It is, actually
    I thought this thread was hard-core
    thought society was past such easy messups (okay I didn't)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tromboon View Post
    It is, actually
    I thought this thread was hard-core
    thought society was past such easy messups
    Turn's out it isnt

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    Bump.

    I support the Oxford comma. Interestingly enough, I've never seen it used in Chinese before. I tried using it in a writing assignment in my Chinese class but I got it wrong. I didn't feel up to arguing because I didn't know how to say "Oxford comma" in Chinese.

    I'm good enough at spelling, like Panther said if I've ever seen a word in my life I know how to spell it. For example I can spell Nahasapeemapetilon from memory, even though I've never actually tried to memorize it. I just looked at it. Despite being able to spell Nahasapeemapetilon, it took a while before I could spell Castell-whatever or Terwilliger.
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    You still can't spell Castellaneta.

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    He has been credited as Castellenetta before, so you can spell it like that.
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    Just like I can spell it Kristen Schall?

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    If it was on The Simpsons it doesn't count.

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    Let's discuss proper usage of the pilcrow.

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    I don't use pilcrows either. There's no point to them other than indicating paragraphs.

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    A lot of time when I write, I find I don't use contractions on my first draft. But it sounds verbose so I go back and change it.

    Also, 'who' is the subject of a sentence and 'whom' is an object, 'to whom', 'from whom.' It's old English.

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    After my short stint as a film student I had a short stint as a journalism student. Every single spelling and punctuation error was an immediate letter grade drop. I didn't take it seriously enough and consequently didn't do so great.

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    NICE. I'm planning on majoring in journalism.

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    Let us discuss yet another wonderful facet of grammar: dashes. Not very many people know about the different kinds of dashes and their names. Some of their uses, such as when to use an en dash instead of a hyphen, can be surprisingly complicated.

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    Without looking it up I remember something about using one similarly to a comma and another to separate different ideas.

    I recommend the Good book for all your grammatical needs.

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    I know about and generally use four types of dashes/hyphens/subtraction signs. I'm pretty sure there are more, so Financial Panther can point out those that I miss.

    Em dash: The longest dash (—), twice the length of an en dash. It's used to note the sources of quotes.

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    En dash: Exactly half the length of the em dash, but longer than a hyphen. These can be interpreted as "everything in between." For example, 1920–1923 means 1920, 1921, 1922, and 1923, or 1920 to 1923. Pages 1–3 includes page 1, page 3, and everything in between.

    Dashes: Including both the em dash and the en dash, these are longer than hyphens and are used like the comma or the parentheses. For example, "Everybody–and I mean everybody–is stupid but me." (Not the exact Simpsons quote, but I can live with it.)

    Hyphens: The shortest of the bunch, these are used to connect related words. For example, "twenty-three."

    Subtraction sign: Slightly longer than the hyphen, but not as long as the dash. Do I really need an example of subtraction here?

    In my writing I try to distinguish the length of these horizontal lines, although nobody ever notices. When I type, I choose to use the en dash more often, as the em dash feels too long for me. However, when I'm more lazy, I just use the hyphen key on my keyboard for everything.

    You may now point out any mistakes I made. There's some good discussion going on here, by the way.
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    I believe the em dash is used for comma substitution. "Everybody—and I mean everybody—is stupid but me." As far as I know, it is the same length as two hyphens, and it does also indicate the source of a quote.

    You claim that an em dash is twice the length of itself, by the way.

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    Comic book double dash is the best dash

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    Dashes and colons are often used interchangeably, and the difference is subtle. I learned about the difference from Grammar Girl. The em dash should be used instead of the colon when sentence has more drama and reveals more surprise. For example, "I like eating two things: candy and pie." This isn't too surpising. Contrast it with this: "I like eating two things—ants and slugs. That's nuch more surprising and has a "wow!" factor, so an em dash would be more appropriate.



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