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    Quote Originally Posted by President Elect Hillary Clinton View Post
    Is hella a California thing. Heard that all the time down there and just in a way that was like how was your day? Hella.
    It is. Specifically, it’s northern Californian. I said it a lot in middle and high school (both to mean “really” and “a lot of”) but it gradually vanished from my speech during college.

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    don't even know what a California accent would be, other than the surfer accent and valley girl, which both hail from socal. ebonics is from the Bay Area, but white people don't use ebonics.

    I was born in San Jose to parents that had lived there since the early 70s, and raised in the Boise Idaho area. lived in Chicago for a year and a half and have been living in Tidewater Virginia for the last 6 and a half years. If I have any accent it's completely fucked, because there are so many differing cultures in my background right now.
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    guess maybe it comes down to words? like I say soda and not pop, kitty corner and not catty corner, creek and not crick

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    yeah I didn't even know california had collaquisms or even specific dialect besides valley girl/surfer

    man do I wish I had an accent. accents are cool
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    hella is absolutely a norcal thing. won't own up to that awful word bein from my state

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    Soda is correct. If you say soda pop fuck u

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    when you say pop it just makes you sound like a little kid

    current room mate is from Minnesota and she says pop, drives me nuts.

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    Apparently in some parts of the country, instead of saying “soda” or “pop”, they call it all “coke”, which is just confusing...

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    coke is a southern thing, though mostly a Deep South thing

    probably stems from the fact coke is based in atlanta. pepsi originated in the Carolinas(around here Pepsi cans say "born in the Carolinas" on them) so calling everything coke isn't as common as it is further south.

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    Everyone calls it "soda" here, if you call it pop I'm gonna give you mean looks
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    soda is the word for sure. pop is infantile and coke as a generalization is a disrespect to the fine lesser soda companies out there making good products and not selling their soul to the machien!

    (also it just sounds bad like is there even an equivalent for that, another food type that gets generalized by one brand?)

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    I don't understand where that comes from. No one looks at some Mountain Dew or something and calls it "coke"??

    Maybe with other stuff but never the sodas

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    Maybe not a good type but everyone calls tissues Kleenex and stuff like that.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...zed_trademarks

    man so many of these I'm guilty of

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    Yeah, I’ve looked at that list. I avoid using genericized trademarks that I know of. I always say “tissue,” “bandage,” and “waste disposal unit,” among others. I once edited something in the newspaper that said “Frisbee” when referring to something of a different brand to “flying disc.”

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    I knew people said 'coke' when talking about soda but yeah I never really got why.

    I said pop usually growing up but soda just... sounds better? I can't really explain it. like scary kaos said, pop just sounds like something kids would say

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    I never considered use of genericized trademarks a matter for linguistic rectitude; I make no attempt not to use them. That said, I never knew "baggie" was one until recently (it's not on that list, but it is an example). I always heard people of a certain generation say this (including my dad and some teachers), but I always called them "ziploc bags" or even just "ziplocs".

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    This might sound bad but the only people I know who use baggie are people who either deal or buy drugs/pot. The little bitty ziplocs you get your shit in are called "baggies" often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Financial Panther View Post
    So one grammatical problem I see frequently is i.e. vs. e.g.

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    ie - stands for id est
    vs - versus
    eg - example

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    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktripcle View Post
    ie - stands for id est
    vs - versus
    eg - example
    e.g. = exempli gratia
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    In Werking Mom, Agnes pointed out that Seymour never uses semicolons and proceeded to show an example in Lisa’s forged Seymour diary. But I don’t think the semicolon was being used properly in there. It was close, though, which makes me pause. What do my fellow grammar nuts think?

    Here’s the sentence:

    “People think Mother’s mean to me; She’s not.“

    Obivously there shouldn’t be a capital letter after the semicolon, but I also think that with such contradictory clauses that have different subjects, a semicolon isn’t strong enough to separate the two; thus, a period would be necessary.
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    It's easier to decide between using a comma or a semicolon. It's not as easy to decide between a period or a semicolon. There are few instances where a period would not work where a semicolon is used (to join independent clauses), but the other way around has countless exceptions. A period would certainly be fine here, but I think it's okay to use a semicolon as well. A semicolon in instances like this is a substitute for ",[CONJ]", as in:

    People think Mother's mean to me, but she's not.
    Dave likes cupcakes, whereas Sam hates them.

    These types of balanced, contradictory sentences are, I think, perfect candidates for semicolons. Just replace the bold part with a semicolon. Stylistically, you might advise that a period has a stronger effect, but a semicolon is not incorrect here.
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    Hmm, all right. The statement in question doesn’t seem like a very balanced sentence to me, though, which is one reason I wouldn’t use a semicolon. If it were more parallel, such as “People think Mother’s mean to me; they don’t realize she’s not,” I think that would be more acceptable. It’s a pretty borderline case to me of whether it’s correct.

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    It's not as balanced as the second example, but the sentences are closely related enough that I think it works. Although even parantheses could work here, if you treat the statement as an aside or commentary:

    People think Mother's mean to me (she's not, by the way).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CNN sucks! View Post
    don't even know what a California accent would be, other than the surfer accent and valley girl, which both hail from socal. ebonics is from the Bay Area, but white people don't use ebonics.

    I was born in San Jose to parents that had lived there since the early 70s, and raised in the Boise Idaho area. lived in Chicago for a year and a half and have been living in Tidewater Virginia for the last 6 and a half years. If I have any accent it's completely fucked, because there are so many differing cultures in my background right now.
    There isn't really a definitive accent in California. Most people I've encountered lack any real accent. It's almost like General American. But usually in rural areas, a Southern accent can be heard sometimes.

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    So...I’m working on using possessives with gerunds correctly in my posts, but this is really confusing stuff to me. In my latest review, I used possessives with what I think are gerunds — they’re certainly not participles — but I’m still not positive I’m doing it correctly. @Nitsy or someone else with this knowledge, could you tell me if this is right? My possessives with what I think are gerunds are in bold:

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    The BRA group was a decent subplot too. I like Milhouse’s being the group leader and getting some time in the sun. His parents’ being so relieved about his social life and friends was pretty funny too. The sex was disturbing, but not in a bad way. The end with Bart’s telling the group about girls was kind of cute too. Overall, this was a funny episode with weird characterization, and I don’t know if the writers were just bad at trying to get a message across or if they were just trying to have their cake and eat it too regarding both sides. 3/5 I guess.

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    Yes, those are gerunds. One test of a gerund is if you can replace the entire gerund phrase with a noun or pronoun:

    "I understand Bart's wanting to join the girls because..."

    "I understand [it] because..."

    What you're illustrating here is an issue of prescription vs. description. The use of the possessive here is correct, but it would also be perfectly acceptable to not use it, i.e. to say "I like Milhouse being the group leader", in which case "Milhouse" is not the subject of a finite clause, but rather "Milhouse being the group leader" is the object of "I like". The objection is that subjects and objects require a finite clause, and since this is a non-finite clause, the word "Milhouse" should not be a subject or an object, but should be in some other form, i.e. the possessive. But the fact is that this use of the possessive is dying out in every day speech. And what "Milhouse" represents in this clause is an implied subject ("Milhouse is the group leader" would be the finite version).

    Cf. when the non-finite clause modifies a noun, i.e. "I saw the dog wagging its tail". In this sentence, "dog" is the object of "saw". You're saying you saw the dog and it happened to be wagging its tail. But in your sentence, it's not that you like Milhouse and he happens to the group leader, you like the whole clause, "Milhouse being the group leader". ("The dog wagging its tail example" is participial--that's one key difference. You would only use a possessive with a true gerund, not with a participle).




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