Hoping they release all the seasons on blu-ray

[MaxDavidson]

Simpsons are also shot on film or at least the earlier seasons were, which makes it no different than Snow White (other than the production cost) when it comes to HD rendering. In the past 10 years or so they developed digital HD cameras which film in high definition unlike movies filmed prior to that. One of the earliest examples of films being filmed in the HD format is Star Wars Attack of the Clones. That being said, theres a common misconception that these are the only things that can truly benefit from being in HD and not things that are rendered into HD after the fact like films prior to the new digital filming craze. Point being, anything if rendered correctly, will look improved in HD. Even if its just slightly crisper lines and black definition which would be the Simpsons ink and paint era rendered for HD.

[MaxDavidson]

So to answer your question, no Snow White wasn't originally made in the HD format cause it was about 60 years prior to HD even existing, however they have rendered it in HD and it looks absolutely fantastic.

[Matty]

Snow White and most other theatrical movies before the digital age were shot on 35mm film, which can be scanned at 4k before you get too much grain. Its better than blu ray's 1080p resolution and thus it can be easily rendered to an HD format.

The Simpsons was shot on 480i video. That's quite a bit worse than blu ray at 1080p. Though the Simpsons can look a little bit better on blu ray than on DVD, there's no way it can look as good as Snow White. Its a useless comparison.

[Kid Moe]

Of course they're going to. How else are they gonna make money? It ain't like the DVDs are selling!

[MaxDavidson]

Snow White and most other theatrical movies before the digital age were shot on 35mm film, which can be scanned at 4k before you get too much grain. Its better than blu ray's 1080p resolution and thus it can be easily rendered to an HD format.

The Simpsons was shot on 480i video. That's quite a bit worse than blu ray at 1080p. Though the Simpsons can look a little bit better on blu ray than on DVD, there's no way it can look as good as Snow White. Its a useless comparison.

True, except The Simpsons was shot on film not video tape. What I was getting at is that the argument that animation doesn't benefit from HD rendering is irrelevant. I was using Snow White as an example of animation that does benefit. Like you said, The Simpsons will still benefit from HD but not to the same extent as Snow White, but does that really matter? As long as the show looks the best that it can be then who cares if it doesn't look as good as Snow White haha.

[Matty]

The Simpsons was at edited on analog tapes, which were also the source for the DVD's. If they were shot on film in Korea, those films are long gone. Seasons 14-19 were digitally produced in SD, though technically they could be rescanned, recolored and re-edited if they had the time, money and all the artwork It's unfortunate, but they'll never be available in true HD.

I must admit the screenshots I've seen from the blu ray releases do look pretty good, though. Looks like they did a fine job upscaling them.

[MaxDavidson]

Nevertheless, even if its not a true HD... it will still look better on bluray if treated correctly.

[N Wilbury]

I will never buy the pre-Season 20 seasons on DVD. First, seeing as I own the first 15 seasons on DVD anyway, no way am I gonna buy all that again on Blu-ray. And as for Seasons 16 - 19... The reason why I didn't get Seasons 13 - 15 on Blu-ray is because I didn't know the quality was that much better. But apparently it is. So, just for the sake of consistency, I'm gonna get Seasons 16 - 19 on DVD, and with Season 20 then I'll switch to Blu-ray.

[ThankYouComeAgain]

I'm sick of reading stuff like "Theres no point... simpsons aren't highly detailed they won't look good on bluray" or "Bluray doesn't benefit animation" or "the early simpsons aren't in HD so theres no point". Just look at the bluray releases of all the classic disney films, they look a billion times better than the DVD and they sure as hell aren't HD. As for the episodes not being in HD so theres no point argument... well of course, thats why the haven't released thousands of movies that were not in HD on bluray and they haven't looked significantly better than their DVD counterparts. Whether or not the product originates in HD is irrelevant to the HD rendering process. if they wanted to, they could make the Simpsons look crisper and clearer by rendering them into HD and by doing so they would look better on bigger TVs because the resolution will be higher as oppose to the earlier DVD releases of the series (i.e. Seasons 1 -7ish) that look lackluster and pixelated at times on a giant set which has become the norm. The seasons that have been released on bluray do significantly look better than their DVD counterparts... of course you need the right equipment (HD TV with HDMI). As long as they render it nicely and take the time to perfect the picture they can make anything look significantly better on bluray... its 6 times the clarity after all.

All this Bluray pushing aside, the DVDs don't look bad at all for the most part... what I'm saying is that the blurays do look better and the earlier seasons would benefit from an HD release even though it isn't necessarily required. I also wouldn't mind having smaller packaging and less discs just for shelf space.

Walt Disney Animation Films are far higher resolution then HD you dolt
They were Theatrical Films which means either 2K or 4K Res


The Simpsons Upscaled Version(Blu-ray) will look better on HDTV tho...cuz from what I've heard of @Boots the coloring is better and some things are improved from the DVD Versions
But for the most part you can get the same results upscaling a DVD from your PS3(if you have one)...and I'm not sure but I think Blu-ray players upscale DVD's too

[The Governor]

Walt Disney Animation Films are far higher resolution then HD you dolt
They were Theatrical Films which means either 2K or 4K Res


The Simpsons Upscaled Version(Blu-ray) will look better on HDTV tho...cuz from what I've heard of @Boots the coloring is better and some things are improved from the DVD Versions
But for the most part you can get the same results upscaling a DVD from your PS3(if you have one)...and I'm not sure but I think Blu-ray players upscale DVD's too

Film has NO resolution as resolution is lines that a TV uses to reproduce an image, where as traditional film is an image imprinted on a piece of celluoid.

Just to give you an idea of the potential for resolution for a well-preserved film, The wizard of Oz was scanned at 16k resolution per FRAME and that translated to 22 TERABYTES when the film was converted to ultra-high resolution. (How much space is your computer?)

However, the pre-digital Simpsons was shot on film and then compiled on 480i video, so if it was to have a vast improvement, they'd have to rescan the filmed elements and recomposite the show from scratch, I think.

[ThankYouComeAgain]

Film has NO resolution as resolution is lines that a TV uses to reproduce an image, where as traditional film is an image imprinted on a piece of celluoid.

Just to give you an idea of the potential for resolution for a well-preserved film, The wizard of Oz was scanned at 16k resolution per FRAME and that translated to 22 TERABYTES when the film was converted to ultra-high resolution. (How much space is your computer?)

However, the pre-digital Simpsons was shot on film and then compiled on 480i video, so if it was to have a vast improvement, they'd have to rescan the filmed elements and recomposite the show from scratch, I think.

Yeah I'm no expert on these things.But I do know that Theatrical Films are way higher quality then HD

You think the source material is of Higher Quality? That sounds interesting.
If so then yeah the Blu-ray version could have some improved quality
They sorta did that for Seinfeld...though they messed up the AOR by cropping it to 16:9
The original source was 35mm film

[The Governor]

Yeah I'm no expert on these things.But I do know that Theatrical Films are way higher quality then HD

You think the source material is of Higher Quality? That sounds interesting.
If so then yeah the Blu-ray version could have some improved quality
They sorta did that for Seinfeld...though they messed up the AOR by cropping it to 16:9
The original source was 35mm film

Unfortunetly, most modern movies are shot on digital film and are "locked in" at 4K. I'm not sure if there's a way to go beyond the 4K once TV's get past the 4K resolution 15 years from now.

IMO, if you want to future proof a movie, shoot it in IMAX (non-digital) film and it can be scanned at massively high resolutions. On the otherhand, shows shot in 480i video are pretty much screwed if there's no filmed master available.

[ThankYouComeAgain]

Unfortunetly, most modern movies are shot on digital film and are "locked in" at 4K. I'm not sure if there's a way to go beyond the 4K once TV's get past the 4K resolution 15 years from now.

IMO, if you want to future proof a movie, shoot it in IMAX (non-digital) film and it can be scanned at massively high resolutions. On the otherhand, shows shot in 480i video are pretty much screwed if there's no filmed master available.

Yeah that makes sense.Wonder why all films are doing the same thing now.I'm not a fan of how these new Digital Films look :P...it doesn't have that oldschool grainy organic look to it old films had :P

Where did you get the info that The Simpsons was shot on film? Link?

[The Governor]

Yeah that makes sense.Wonder why all films are doing the same thing now.I'm not a fan of how these new Digital Films look :P...it doesn't have that oldschool grainy organic look to it old films had :P

If you want crazy clear digital, check out movies shot on Epix Red Cameras. I think the first movie that was well known that was shot with one was Avatar.

Where did you get the info that The Simpsons was shot on film? Link?

Someone here (Matty?) more familiar with the inner workings in the animation department mentioned it. Although, I'm not sure how much of the early season's film stock has been preserved so a blu-ray remaster can be attempted.

[ThankYouComeAgain]

If you want crazy clear digital, check out movies shot on Epix Red Cameras. I think the first movie that was well known that was shot with one was Avatar.



Someone here (Matty?) more familiar with the inner workings in the animation department mentioned it. Although, I'm not sure how much of the early season's film stock has been preserved so a blu-ray remaster can be attempted.

Thanks for the info

[YellowFever]

I'm all for Blu-ray versions! Some of the bonus episodes on the S14+S15 sets look BEAUTIFUL in HD! Crisp lines, vibrant colours! I'm sure many videophiles would appreciate a lovely bump to 1080p HD myself included! Especially when watching on a 120-inch screen! HD makes the world a difference, DVD's are fuzzy, muted, and often have weird artifacts.

Plus! Consistent packaging hopefully eh? Like when they re-released the Futurama volumes they changed the covers to match Volumes 5-7, perhaps they'd also change the covers on the early Simpsons seasons so it'd be a character per cover throughout. I know it sounds daft, but the idea of every season in consistent packaging on my shelf like that would just be a dream, and would definitely adhere to my CDO (OCD but with the letters in alphabetical order like they should be.)

I'll probably continue to get all seasons on Blu-ray and maybe sell them all for a complete Blu-ray set when it comes out in 2067 when they finally catch up with the releases! Of course by then we'll probably all have uploaded our minds to some sort of immortal super computer in which we can experience the entire Simpsons in virtual reality from the point of view of the couch, so Blu-rays probably will go out of fashion, so no, I'll Jedi mind-meld myself to a computer and watch the show in my mind.

[The Governor]

I'm all for Blu-ray versions! Some of the bonus episodes on the S14+S15 sets look BEAUTIFUL in HD! Crisp lines, vibrant colours! I'm sure many videophiles would appreciate a lovely bump to 1080p HD myself included! Especially when watching on a 120-inch screen! HD makes the world a difference, DVD's are fuzzy, muted, and often have weird artifacts.

Plus! Consistent packaging hopefully eh? Like when they re-released the Futurama volumes they changed the covers to match Volumes 5-7, perhaps they'd also change the covers on the early Simpsons seasons so it'd be a character per cover throughout. I know it sounds daft, but the idea of every season in consistent packaging on my shelf like that would just be a dream, and would definitely adhere to my CDO (OCD but with the letters in alphabetical order like they should be.)

I'll probably continue to get all seasons on Blu-ray and maybe sell them all for a complete Blu-ray set when it comes out in 2067 when they finally catch up with the releases! Of course by then we'll probably all have uploaded our minds to some sort of immortal super computer in which we can experience the entire Simpsons in virtual reality from the point of view of the couch, so Blu-rays probably will go out of fashion, so no, I'll Jedi mind-meld myself to a computer and watch the show in my mind.

My guess is fox will 'remaster' the first 12 seasons episodes, but all the special features will be SD.

[Lance.Uppercut]

Let's see; the show's had things released on audio cassettes, LPs, video cassettes, DVDs, cartridges and CD's. Now it's about Blu-Ray; the whole thing's available digitally from multiple legal sources. As long as we still parade around the idea of releasable print media, The Simpsons will be re-released, ad infinitum. All 27 seasons will come out on a 30-disc Ultra-Violet set with all the bells and whistles within the next decade or so; don't worry.

[parklife]

But back in the day, we were using 27", low-res tube TVs. IMO, the DVDs look awful on an HDTV, even with upscaling.

totally agree

i will replace my simpsons dvds with blu-rays just so i don't have to see all that awful compression noise