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So I decided not to watch this week, but did anyone mention the Moleman money deleted scene? Pretty good stuff right there....
Brother From Another Series:
The last great Sisdeshow Bob episode when they were doing twists on the characters and having him be one of the most interesting Simpsons characters! He is a little bit like Grimes (and he ironically switches roles with his son in a later episode) in that his "psychopathological" tendencies are a bit founded as Quimby explains that his reasons for trying to kill us all were "perfectly sane".
Guess who the real Psychopath is?
(on the far right)
Most of the good jokes have been quoted already but I'll come back on two jokes where the delivery really nails it. First it's the "Especially Lisa...but ESs-pecially Bart!" That cracked me up again and the other is when they exit the water canal (?), Bart says "Let's do it again, let's do it again" and then Lisa gasps for air and says "...No!". The way she says it, is really funny.
Other than that, there's nothing really that made me laugh again although I liked the exchange between the brothers at Cecil's appartment and the thought about that deleted scene! (I just noticed that Moleman was living in the most dangerous place)
Now I've never watched "Frasier" but I'm tempted to take a look just to see the references.
For the classic Sideshow Bob episodes I'd say this is slightly better than "Last Gleaming".
Did anybody notice that Bart technically made good on his promise to go on a water slide after rooting through the garbage bin?
The original Favorite and least favorite by season
Shorts: 1: The Pacifier Watching TV 2: World War III Maggie's Brain 3: Bathtime Scary Movie
Episodes: 1: Krusty Gets Busted The Telltale Head 2: Bart Gets an F The War of the Simpsons 3: Homer at the Bat Separate Vocations 4: Brother From the Same Planet Krusty Gets Kancelled 5: Cape Feare $pringfield 6: Homer Badman Lisa on Ice 7: King-Size Homer Lisa the Iconoclast 8: Simpsoncalifragilisticexpialad'ohcious The Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase 9: Girly Edition The Trouble with Trillions 10: Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo Homer Simpson in: "Kidney Trouble" 11: Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner? Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder 12: HOMЯ Tennis the Menace 13: Tales from the Public Domain She of Little Faith 14: The Dad Who Knew Too Little Helter Shelter 15: The Ziff Who Came to Dinner Bart-Mangled Banner 16: Don't Fear the Roofer She Used to Be My Girl 17: My Fair Laddy The Italian Bob 18: The Haw-Hawed Couple You Kent Always Say What You Want 19: Funeral for a Fiend All About Lisa 20: Gone Maggie Gone Four Great Women and a Manicure 21: The Bob Next Door The Color Yellow 22: Homer Scissorhands How Munched is That Birdie in the Window? 23: The Falcon and the D'ohman A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again 24: Hardly Kirk-ing What Animated Women Want
And so we move on. I'll wait until Friday for my full thoughts but Moe Baby Blues is such a wonderful episode. One of my favorite Moe lines/deliveries ends the first act about how life don't seem so hard no more. I even used it as a 5/5 option for an episode thread.
One of the brightest lights of the Jean era. Although Moe may be a little sappier than usual, it works to hold the story together.
Makes great use of Fat Tony and the mob to tie in with Moe's re-telling of the Godfather.
The opening at the Botanical Garden was the weakest part of the episode despite some good gags.
Woman: Awww, what a face, she looks just like you.
Moe: You calling her repellant? (cracks knuckles)
Moe: Cause you ain't exactly Karen Allen yourself!
Marge: I have so much free time now that Moe is our babsitter.
Homer: Yeah, it's great that Maggie's got a father figure in her life. Hey, wait, that's supposed to be me!
Bart: You can be my father figure.
Homer: No way! I'm not getting my fingerprints on that trainwreck.
Moe: It's so nice to be with someone who can't understand the horrible things I say.
Moe: And now it's intermission
Maggie: (shrugs shoulders)
Moe: Give me a break, will ya, it's a freakin' saga.
Moe: Don Barzini gets whacked, Tessio, ho whoa, you won't see him anymore! Moe Green, BAM, get's it right in the eye! And Michael is now the new Godfather, and he shuts the door .. on Annie Hall.
Robot Homer: I peed my pants!
Homer: I recorded that for private use.
Louie: Oh, that's better. I could whack my own mother now!
Fat Tony: I'm glad you brought that up..
Louie: Oh, my mother, she makes such good pasta sauce.
Johnny: It comes from a can.
Louie: She's a corpse
Man: Now, hold on here. I'm the president of the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League (whips out two pistols) and this REALLY BURNS MY CANNOLI!
Marge: Maggie's in the middle of that Italian-American Mexican standoff!
Fat Tony: I haven't cried like this since I paid to see Godfather III.
Highlights include the meta-joke (it clearly wasn't that funny), the Venus Flytrap luring Homer (flower power my ass), Moe's "alarm", the Beverly Hillbillie's Down Under, Maggie's Krap-E-Latch, Homer being in Mr. Burns' carpool, Moe making a bar out of couch cushions, the slinky slinking away, Moe telling the story of the Godfather, reference to "classic" drunk Barney, the tree holding Moe back, and Homer's escapades with the ham.
Last edited by Lionel Hutz; 08-11-2012 at 04:27 PM.
Question to consider: Does this episode give us a deeper look into the character of Moe than any that aired before it?
'Moe Baby Blues', written by J. Stewart Burns and directed by Lauren MacMullan , aired for the first time on May 18, 2003 and it is the 22nd and last episode of the fourteenth season. The episode starts off with the Simpsons going to the botanical garden in Springfield to see the grand blooming of the large Sumatran century flower along with the rest of the townspeople who also are there. Moe, who sees it on TV while being at the Tavern, decides to join in after seeing his best customers & friends there. As he gets there, he however gets ejected by Chief Wiggum due to the crowd being one person over the maximum capacity limit. Then the flower opens and the townspeople get a shock as they get drenched in a huge stink cloud emitted from the flower which forces them all to flee. The Simpsons get trapped in a traffic jam on a bride as they are leaving and when Homer accelerates to quickly and then hit the breaks, Maggie is accidentally ejected from the car and goes over the edge of the bridge despite Homer trying to catch her, but Moe, who prepares to take his life by jumping off a ledge below, catches Maggie in his hands by accident and gets hailed a hero by everyone. The next day he goes to see Maggie at the Simpson residence, Maggie shows attachment to him and he ends up being her babysitter and spends a lot of time with her; this also enables Marge to do other things at home. Eventually, Moe's attachment and obsession with caring for Maggie goes too far when Homer and Marge finds out he installed a baby monitoring system in her room and he is banned from ever spending time with her again, causing him to go into a state of depression. Then one night, Maggie follows Fat Tony and his goons after seeing Tony doing the Godfather orange trick which Moe did for her earlier and when the Simpson parents find out it's not Moe who kidnapped her, he decides to help get her back.
This is definitely a solid episode and I admit the plot is rather sweet, with Moe showing affection for little Maggie and got to show a more human side of him again. It's a fun episode with a really nice plot and good usage of Moe as the central character; one of the post-classic standouts. The animation is digital like the most part of the season (as it was here they permanently switched from the hand colored style) and it looks quite good, really; they use some really nice angles (one part I really like is when Marge finds out Maggie is missing and we follow her feet inside Maggie's room and then sees the bottle drop to the floor and break), really good use of shadow & lighting effects and the colors still feel rich and vibrant. Everyone seem to be quite in-character so I have nothing to complain about that; even Homer was portrayed suitably even though there was the moment where he referred to Bart as "that trainwreck". Moe shows his more warmer side again and it's definitely a good thing that they show him like this which contrasts to his usual surly, unlucky, bitter and more or less antisocial persona; his good side is suitably pulled forth by Maggie and her sweet & playful demeanor. It is also fun to see Moe having to do his best to care for her, almost being like a true father figure to her and eventually goes too far with his attachment, and I definitely like how their relationship, a new one to the show, progresses throughout the episode. I also like that we get to see Homer being worried about Maggie starting to prefer Moe over him and feels bad about it; I kind of wish that there would have been a bit more of this, but that would have taken focus away from the Moe & Maggie story and they would have had to shorten down some other stuff in the episode and that could have made it less good.
Humor is aplenty in this episode and there's some quite funny bits and lines throughout: "Does anyone else wanna know why that sign is so funny?"-"No!", the venus flytrap luring Homer in with a hotdog and Homer then eating his way out of it ("Flower Power, my ass"), the Moe's Tavern alarm, Moe having a hypodermic filled with bleach with him, him asking to be pushed down the muddy hill instead of just leaving with dignity when having to leave the botanic garden because of it being overcrowded ("I'd prefer that you push me, seeing as I am desperate for any human contact"), Moe finding out that the hobo who 'has it worse than him' has a beautiful girlfriend, Homer running back to the destroyed botanic garden to stomp a small flowed that the stink cloud missed, *Homer backs out the family's car before everyone else*"So long, suckers!"*everyone else backs out around him leaving him trapped*"D'oh!", "Come on, help a brother out!"-"Well, why don't you call my secretary and make an appointment, brother!"-"A dream deferred is a dream denied!", the 'Krap-E-Latch', "That hideous man is a hero!", 'Baby Saved By Local Hero, Not Father', Homer being shocked that the pants in the newspaper ad are "Standing up with no one in them!", "Aw jeez, there's something in my eye... ah, it's just some glass", Homer carpooling with Mr. Burns for some reason ("How you got in my carpool I'll never know!"), Grampa's "The swedish are coming!, the Swedish are coming!" and "They got lingonberries!" (what makes this even funnier to me is that I'm Swedish), Moe dislocating his shoulder and swinging the limp arm around for Maggie ("It was years before I could do this without fainting... still hurts"), Grampa losing his bathrobe when Marge is chasing after him prompting her to continue searching for him with covered eyes, "I finally caught up with grandpa, I found him crying in the cemetary", Moe ruining a possible date by mistaking a woman's compliment about Maggie as an insult ("Boy, that's one for the Christmas letter, what a nut!"), Moe beating up Nelson's bumper car with a crowbar, Maggie swallowing the coin ("Okay, we won't tell no one about that"), "No means no for Elmo!"*Elmo doll slaps Moe*, Moe comparing Alice In Wonderland with the Playboy Mansion, Maggie being told a simplified version on The Godfather by Moe (nice spoof sequence, too), Bart playing with a toy for babies at Maggie's birthday party ("I'm helping daddy. Lisa, it says "one year and up"!"), "Mr. Moe, my son was only playing next to this girl who is not your daughter"-"Yeah, sure he was, Nahasapasa-I'm-Raising-A-Pervert", Maggie squirming her way out of Homer's grasp and jumping over to Moe ("*singing*"Daddy feels rejected, he's gonna eat some cake"), Moe giving Maggie a Moe's Tavern playset with 'classic drunk Barney' and talk function for the figurines (the Homer figure's "I peed my pants!" followed by the real Homer's "I recorded that for private use!" is icing on the cake), the Moe-bile with small Moe heads (It's fun how the heads have that silly wide grin of his and that Homer covers Maggies eyes), Moe imagining Lenny, Carl and Barney having Maggie heads and asks them if they don't mind if he kisses their tummies, "That's better, I could whack my own mother now!"-"I'm glad you brought that up"-"Kill my own mother? she makes such good pasta sauce"-"It comes from a can"-"She's a corpse", Homer thinking Marge has discovered his secret snake farm, "Wow, it looks like maggie crawled through these bushes, spit up over here and crashed her tricycle into the wall"-"Uh, no, that was me", Marge saying that she sometimes serves the mobsters having a meeting on their yard lemonade, Fat Tony and his goons all splashing wine on their suits as an excuse to go to the bathroom to get their weapons ("Those fellas should really consider sippy cups"), Moe thinking Homer and Marge are trying to stop him but only to hear that it was just his shirt getting stuck to a small tree (the sweet throwback to this gag at the end was great), "This is the second most guns pointed at me" & Homer getting to spends time with Moe's ham while Moe himself spends time with Maggie.
I like how everything is wrapped up, with Moe actually going inside the restaurant to pick up Maggie while an Italian American Mexican Standoff is going on there, whereupon the gunwielders breaks down sobbing and crying when Moe tells them how innocent little Maggie changed his life. After this, Moe heads outside with Maggie and reunites her with her parents, who apologizes to Moe for their behavior towards him and he gets to go on a playdate with Maggie afterwards. Overall, I definitely enjoy the episode and it is one of the strongest post-classic era episodes; the plot is fun and rather sweet with the relationship between Moe and Maggie, the humor works really well and is often funny & the digital animation is really good too. It is not one of those really emotional tear-jerker episodes, but it is definitely sweet as I've said and it is easy to see why it is so liked; however, I don't think it's top material of all time, but it would definitely make the list of the best post-classics. A very nice and entertaining episode from beginning to end.
Last edited by CousinMerl; 08-14-2012 at 06:52 AM.
I can't believe I haven't participated in the NHC Weekly Episode yet, but I guess now is as good a time as any to join the club.
Having just watched Moe Baby Blues for the first time in years, I'd forgotten quite a bit about it. It's very sweet in places and nicely balanced with comedy.
Bearing that in mind, it was strange seeing this side of Moe because it was so out of character. Does anyone else feel the same way?
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Well it was certainly hinted at in earlier episodes such as his reading of Little Women, but I always associate the more "human" Moe with the Jean Era. The two episodes that most immediately come to mind are this one and Eeny Teeny Maya Moe. Both fantastic imo.
Also aside from Dumbell Indemnity there was of course the "Uncle Moe" subplot in Bart Sells His Soul as well as his role in Flaming Moe's, but the former was hardly character building...in a positive sense at least...and the latter is more debatable I suppose.
Double also: Welcome to the discussion @Knightboat!!!
There was also Pygmoelian, one of the few good episodes from season 11.
I'll try to get my review up later this week, but I have to say that although I like this episode I don't like the change of Moe's characterization caused by this episode.
Like I said only Maya Moe is as deep a look into Moe's more human side as this episode in Jean's tenure, at least from what I can recall, and even that's debatable. The Jean Era I think tries to make Moe sympathetic more than anything else...when he's not the walking punching bag. Part of that I think is from his multiple suicide attempts that I think began with Grift of the Magi during Scully's tenure. More recent outings like the Letter episode or Rag episode seem more like the focus isn't really on him much save for being the driving force of the plot. The rag episode is more about the rag and the letter episode more about the marriages. Moe is certainly one of the secondary characters who has received the most attention in the Jean Era though, perhaps even the most...it'd be close between him and Flanders. In both this and Maya Moe he still acts like Moe though, still feels like him, to me anyway. I love in this episode for example how he goes into violent overload mode to defend Maggie and his Godfather tangent feels like something within character for him. I could see why this would be a turnoff to fans of the classic era though, but I really enjoy the deeper look into Moe. For the most part I enjoy Moe throughout Jean's Run. Certain episodes with him heavily involved stink but not primarily due to him...I'm thinking of Judge Me Tender which was a totally unnecessary American Idol plug or Moe'n'a Lisa which is frankly one of the most dull, unmemorable episodes for me in the Jean Era.
Directed by Lauren MacMullen, assistant director Ray Persi, animation by Luis Escobar, Colin Heck, Ethan Spaulding, Kenji Ono, Istvan Majoros, Francis Dinglasan, Herman Sharaf, Jeremy Robinson, Dean Kelly, and Tammy Manis. This is the only episode Lauren made during season 14. Her unit was disbanded for most of the production run, which she spent doing storyboards, and Ray went back into animation. Many of these animators worked on 'Half-decent proposal'. Ethan Spaulding was Nasty Matt Nastuk's assistant, and was probably available to animate towards the end of the season. He went away with Lauren MacMullen to work on 'Avatar the last air bender' at the end of season 15; Kenji Ono went too.
Being good with angles, Luis Escobar is well suited to work with directors like Lauren and Jeff Lynch, and did on many occasions. This is his 3rd episode with Lauren. Luis does the scene when Maggie flies out of the car, and most of the ensuing scenes with Moe on the bridge. Lauren sucessfully makes things just a bit more dramatic than they probably should be.
It appears Luis did a few scenes with Moe and Maggie in the playroom, just before the tickle-me Elmo bit.
I think Luis did the scene with Moe's homemade playset, too.
Francis Dinglasan is an artist who draws eye gaps. Francis would have done the scene wherethey bust Moe when he's baking the ham.
Our very own @Mark Colangelo worked on this episode during his uncredited freelancing tenure at the end of season 14. He drew Homer with the flytrap.
Colin Heck, Lauren's favorite animator, would have done the scene with Moe's dislocated arm. Colin animated lots of complicated dances and action scenes with bow-legged poses.
Jeremy Robinson, who was mostly an effects animator, probably worked on stink cloud scenes at the botanical gardens.
Some people say Moe is out of character here, but I think he acts enough like the shifty bar tender we've known him to be. I think the best thing about this episode is how well it handles the "rapid-fire" joke convention, and makes every part of the episode funny enough in its own way.
The episodes directed by MacMullan used to have a lot of shadows:
Little Girl In the Big Ten:
Moe Baby Blues:
Bye Bye Nerdy:
Lauren was great with atmospheric lighting. Another specialty was her ability to do mortified takes with Marge.
Isn't this color styling beautfiful?
Looking at all those shots, yeah; she really was was great at utilizing shadows & lighting here and there. Those Marge shots also look great with the coloring and the low angles.
Last edited by CousinMerl; 08-14-2012 at 07:22 AM.
What I think I find most odd is the font they must use for the producer credits in Blobulle's dvd set!
Oh and another question while I think of it: Anyone wish they would have at least acknowledged the Moe and Maggie relationship in future episodes? To my knowledge it is never really brought up again...
As far as I'm concerned, they didn't need to bother acknowledging it. It wouldn't have been worth it, considering the show declined a season and a half later.
Last edited by zartok-35; 08-14-2012 at 08:58 AM.
'pinions up in here
I expected zartok's response from certain members like you Handsome. My problem is I shouldn't be trying to expand discussion in the first place as it almost always results in me getting upset.
Sigh all you like; that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. My point is, if they are capable of doing a good job, and I personally didn't think they were, sue me, they should reference it. To be honest, I always find it rather lazy when any episode coasts along on references to past episodes, so I'd rather they not at all.
Last edited by zartok-35; 08-14-2012 at 03:45 PM.
Yes, yes...I'm just not gonna ask anymore goddamn questions...
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