anyone else dig this show?
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I liked this series pretty well for the first couple of seasons, but its unrelenting bleakness kind of wore me down after awhile. I said this in the B&R thread awhile back, but that carjacking episode with David was the tipping point for me into "I don't want to watch this happen anymore" territory. But I did return for the few episodes leading up the finale, though.
Possibly the best finale to a series ever, though.
oh, without a doubt, the show can just ruin your day, but sometimes it's interesting to get wrapped up in something like that. i'll admit it did get pretty heavy after season two, and the writing after that just gets so heavily criticized, but i basically loved watching the total self-destruction of nate in the middle of the series. i also loved the patience of those last few episodes of the whole thing, they really took their time and ended it right.
i would also say that rico & vanessa are just two of the worst characters on television
Six Feet Under was unbelievably great. This show had my favorite series finale ever, I don't think anything can top it. IMO, it never went downhill.
Season 26: Clown In The Dumps: C- | The Wreck of the Relationship: B- | Super Franchise Me: C+ | Treehouse of Horror XXV: B- | Opposites A-Frack: B- | Simpsonorama: C | Blazed and Confused: C- | Covercraft: B | I Won't Be Home For Christmas: B+ | The Man Who Came To Be Dinner: B | Bart's New Friend: B- | The Musk Who Fell To Earth: C+ | Walking Big and Tall: B- | My Fare Lady: B | The Princess Guide: C+ | Sky Police: B- | Waiting For Duffman: C | Peeping Mom: B-
My Season Rankings: 4, 7, 5, 6, 8, 3, 2, 9, 1, 15, 14, 16, 10, 13, 21, 20, 19, 17, 25, 24, 23, 22, 12, 18, 11
I've never heard of it till now, looked it up and it looks promising.
So is it real goood? I like me some HBO dramas.
I don't have anything else to add, other than that after watching this show, I will never look at James Cromwell the same way again. Everyone knows him as the "That'll do pig" guy, but now I see him as that dude who got married 6 times on Six Feet Under. I didn't remember Rainn Wilson from it, though, after seeing him in The Office. Someone had to point that out to me.
Also, Lisa was one of the most annoying character I think has ever been on TV.
I watched scattered episodes of Six Feet Under when it was being broadcast on NZ TV, and I loved it. I haven't seen all the episodes but I recently got the entire series on DVD as a gift so sometime soon I'm going to watch the show properly from start to finish. Really looking forward to it.
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oh my god, @Knightboat, i'm jealous. that sounds like the best gift ever. who got it for you?
yeah, this show is boss. definitely something you need to watch from start to finish though - which never actually takes that long, because even if you watch an episode a day for the first two seasons, by the time you reach the last year, you're watching like three episodes in one sitting. or at least i am. a good friend of mine crushed the entire series in a week (off from work) and told me it was the best show he'd ever seen. however, because there's so much 'drama' in it, it can be fairly draining to watch all at once. but don't take my word for it, just give it a shot. the first episodes are almost definitely the best ones. also, a clip from 'dead putting society' is in it.
i loved rainn's character. that scene where he showed ruth his music on the computer was so awkward and lovely and beautiful.
I got them recently for Christmas from my family, including the entire series of The Sopranos and the entire Seinfeld collection on DVD. I've almost finished The Sopranos - I'm into the final episodes - so Six Feet Under is next up on the list.
EDIT: Yeah, I remember some episodes being emotionally draining but it's really worth it.
jesus christ that's a great haul. your dvd shelf must look beautiful
Nah, I started watching Boardwalk Empire and I'm about to start Breaking Bad. I need to catch up before they broadcast the last lot of episodes because I haven't seen any yet.
bump (for the few that care)
ever since i've started watching this show on a much more regular basis (one a day since season 3) i've enjoyed it a lot more (even more than before). i really regret watching seasons 1 and 2 at such an irregular and slow pace. i've seen season 3 get some flack but i've loved the intensity of the past few episodes (i just watched s03e12) and as you said @parklife nate's collapse so far has been great. i love how this season started with most of the family in solid relationships and as the season has gone by they have just gradually been worn down more and more. that's kinda why i regret watching 1&2 on and off because it hindered me from seeing the show in such a cohesive way.
also it's sad that this show is often overlooked when the "golden age of tv" is discussed. i mean, ok i do prefer the sopranos, for example, but it's an incredibly marginal difference and sfu certainly ranks among the other 'greats'.
I forgot to report back after my watch of Six Feet Under. I binge-watched the show a couple of months back when I wasn't doing any papers at uni. It really is an excellent show. I loved every minute of it and balled my eyes out during the finale.
i just finished this. so here's some stuff.
i feel like the whole ending montage would have been more affecting had the series ended sooner. i remember when i first started this show, i adored it. i loved all the characters and was just really interested to see what would happen to all of them. but even as early as season 2, i was beginning to feel bored with them, and i really feel the series struggled with repetition. it's not so much the bleakness that bothered me but more that we just seemed to learn the same stuff about the characters over and over again. which is also part of the reason i'm on the fence about the finale (by which i mean the montage, because everything else i was perfectly happy with). i have no problem with them giving the characters a happy ending (i read an interesting theory that nate is the 'sacrificial lamb' which i really think makes sense and i love it), but the montage almost seemed a ridiculously saccharine topper to it all. after 5 seasons of the characters constantly being shat on, whether it be self-inflicted or not, the montage almost seemed like too definite an ending, almost as if to say "these people are all going to live happy fulfilling lives from now on". of course that's not the case, we only see their deaths, but there's a general positive implication about everyones' lives.
now i feel really sadistic for feeling this way, almost as if to say these characters just aren't allowed to be happy... and to be honest i am, kinda. i think it was just really strange for me to see such a happy ending. i really wasn't expecting it, and that's probably why i had such a mixed gut reaction to it... and to be fair, i remember the season 1 finale, which i found genuinely sweet and moving. so i think i'm just being a dick (although i can't deny i did get a bit bored with the series).
random non-finale bits:
- apparently brenda is disliked by a lot of fans. i actually thought she was great most of the time, and a really fascinating character. but i have to admit i kinda hated her in season 2, where she was friends with that prostitute and was all high and mighty about being sexually free and whatnot (although to be fair, in retrospect you can see she regrets it and was lying to herself).
- also lisa is hated by a lot of people, i never had a problem with her? although in hindsight her death was kind of stupid, although i can't deny i found it very gripping while watching it (mainly because of nate)
- the dream sequences often bordered on very silly at times (one memorable example being in season 5 when david dreams about keith being the eggman??), something i found both brave and bewildering. on the one hand, i admired them for just being out there and willing to reflect the characters' inner thoughts like that, on the other hand the sequences often kind of killed the mood with their attempts to "humourously" contrast with the bleakness in the rest of the show.
- that's my dog is clearly the best episode of the show. that was emotionally affecting (although would probably not have been the best finale, granted)
- i hate to say it but i would have to rank this below all the other acclaimed dramas: the wire, mad men, breaking bad, probably the sopranos
Last edited by c l o n e; 08-17-2013 at 12:11 PM.
just started this show tonight. really liked the first two episodes so far. i feel like i know these characters really well already.
i'm debating making an "inmate's six feet under" thread but i don't think i have enough interesting things to say. will definitely update this thread periodically though.
just finished season 1. man this show is so good.
i love the 'early 2000s' aura that this series has. no other show captures the 'feeling' of that time so well.
after watching episode three i kind of forgot about it for a a couple weeks but i knocked out the last ten episodes in four or five days.
i really do love every character. in the beginning i felt like they were over-explaining the characters too much, but it's gotten much better and on the few occasions it still does that, the acting is so good that it doesn't even bother me. i'm surprised at how hilarious it is too. like every episode i'm cracking up multiple times. i thought breaking bad was funny for a drama, but this blows it out of the water humor-wise and the characters are maybe even more compelling.
i can't think of any of my favorite moments, but i love all of ruth's awkward conversations with her children. her and claire visiting ruth's sister was probably the hardest i've laughed at the show so far. i also loved the stuff with nate in his father's secret room and basically any scene with ghost dad.
so i finished this show a couple weeks ago and i loved it. might be my fav drama of all time, although keep in mind that i haven't seen a lot of the big ones.
random thoughts (spoilers):
-finale was great. i can see not liking the montage and when it first started i almost groaned, but i'm kind of really glad its there and now i love it. i was also hoping that they would sell the house, but whatever
-the art school stuff was my least favorite arc in the show, but it was mostly because of russell and olivier, although i think olivier is great in small doses. her other friends i didn't really mind as much for the most part
-lisa was a little annoying, but she was still a good character and her disappearance/death arc was one of the high points in the show
-i liked brenda. my sister is on season three and she hates her, but i thought she was really fascinating and at times was the most interesting character on the show
-the carjacking episode was intense and definitely top 5, although it made david annoying for the rest of the show
-i didn't really hate rico and vanessa. they had their dumb moments, but mostly i just didn't like that they spent so much time on them when they should've just been more peripheral characters. i actually liked the arc with him and the stripper for like, the first three episodes, and then vanessa being pissed at him came to define his character for the next two seasons.
-the acting ruled was great, except for keith but he was so likable so who cares
-i guess this show does tend to overexplain stuff, but after the first couple episodes, it honestly never bothered me again and i never once thought about it.
i have no clue how to rank the seasons, but maybe 5>4>1>2>3? i dunno. i think 4 and 5 are just more consistent than the other ones. 3 has some of the highest highs, but it also has the shitty art school stuff, and then i thought 2 got off to a pretty slow start and it's probably the most bored i ever was with the show but it picks up in the middle, and then the first few episodes of 1 had some pretty bad overexplanation of the characters.
i hope this was coherent. i might add more later.
great comments, inmate. such a criminally overlooked show. i think i have similar feelings about it - that it certainly has its flaws, but it's got so much else going for it that they don't really taint it. like seinfeld or twin peaks, it means so much to me that i find it hard to harshly criticize even its goofiest plotlines.
part of my affection is definitely nostalgia-based. here's an uninteresting story. i first encountered six feet under when i was in high school. the bass player in my band was seeing this girl who lived out in the sticks and she asked us to perform at her house party on halloween night. when i got there, i studied her mom's book, music, and dvd collections (as i do at pretty much any house), and based purely on the cover art, i asked to borrow season two of sfu (she did not have s1). when i took it home and watched it my mind was blown. the only 'dramatic' television i had experienced was mediocre network stuff my parents watched like law and order. this was a few years before i had high-speed internet, so it took me a while to collect the other seasons and experience the full thing. when i finally did, i was floored by the scope and weight of it all. it felt like a novel. it made me rethink the medium and - although it seems dramatic to say so - it made me look at life differently.
months later, i still had not returned the season two box set and my buddy broke up with his girlfriend so i just wound up keeping it (though i've since replaced the single releases with the 'complete series' box set to save shelf space). every time i watch it, it takes me back to that wonderful time of my life.
however, nostalgia aside, i also think the show itself it a masterwork. the 'death' sequences are brilliant, and the perfect pacing of some of the multi-episode arcs (lisa's disappearance, george's mental health and nate's death immediately come to mind) is so exquisite - things never feel rushed or tacked-on to me. but ultimately, the show's most attractive quality is its characters. unlike the characters in shows like breaking bad or mad men (both great shows, don't get me wrong), the fishers actually feel like my family. i care about them in an almost unconditional way that no other television family has made me care (except maybe the simpsons). i like that we spend so much time with the main cast and continue to do so even as new characters are added (this is my main criticism of mad men in its later years - spending time with new characters that don't particularly interest me).
this will forever be a top-five series in my books, and every time i revisit it, it's a very special experience. just writing this makes me want to go back and relive it all over again.
I've watched SFU only partway (can't remember which season I stopped at). It's a great show but it was so emotionally intense that it was bringing up some bad stuff for me at the time, and so I bailed on it. I've always meant to go back and watch the whole thing but so far I've not yet done so.
I will say that I thought Brenda and her dysfunctional relationship with Nate was kind of annoying. She struck me as a drama-queen.
Sorry it took me so long to put some thoughts down here. I finished the series last week but then I went on vacation with friends, so I have been busy.
I loved it and I don't even really share the same criticisms that I'm seeing here. The biggest being that I don't find the bleakness (if I'd even want to call it that) overwhelming. There was a tension being built with that, but most importantly it was integral to coming out the other side and feeling rewarded with insight and perspective on life, death, art, or relationships. Plus the show had a self awareness and great sense of humor which really carried the show.
The characters were all awesome to follow. I even liked Frederico, although I do agree I remember at one point towards the end I realized every confrontation with vanessa started out something like "how you doing?", (Vanessa's short reponse), ".....oh.....ok.". Perhaps their conflicts were dragged out or focused on a tad too unnecessarily, but it still never made me feel dread or take away anything from my enjoyment of the show.
And I love Brenda. I think she's one of my favorite characters. In the beginning, I liked how she would be contrary just for contrary's sake (although still thought-provoking) but Nate would call her out on that and her cynicism was introduced as a thing for her to work on. She's a very smart character and I thought the way she and Nate complimented each other in bringing each other's flaws to light was very compelling storytelling. Between her sexcapades and her dysfunctional family, I loved it all. There were so many times where I just wanted to give her a hug. This is what the show does well. It takes you to a dark or weird place but leaves room for growth and as long as the characters are willing to acknowledge themselves or try to change for the better, it makes for an entertaining experience.
George was a character I really sympathized with because the things he likes and wants to talk about is just so boring to Ruth and probably to most people, but I feel I can relate to being that guy. I feel alot of times at the end, he was trying so hard not to be the one-note character that Ruth resented him for but he would still get categorized for that. I mean I love Ruth too and I agree with why she's upset. It was certainly a tough situation. The episode with his flashback to his mother and him realizing in the end that he requires alot more care and attention due to his mental lapses but doesn't want to annoy Ruth with it was tragic. It really reminded you that this guy is a person.
The ending (last 10 minutes or so) was very emotional and brilliant. I teared up for that but the biggest sob fit I got was a couple episodes prior when David goes up to give a eulogy for Nate which is hard enough as it is, but then his post-traumatic stress kicks in to make it even worse. That was so brutal to me and so between that and Ruth getting up and walking over to be there for her son, I was just losing it. It just felt like such a long-time coming for him to just break down like that and the gesture of a mother who just lost her first son walking across the room to provide comfort for her second son results in a very powerful scene.
I remember hearing about the episode "That's My Dog" at boardsandrec, but I didn't know it's content or why it was a highly regarded episode, but fuck. It's such an unforgiving episode for David. I always loved Michael C. Hall as an actor. He plays David Fisher so brilliantly but then playing the product of victimization in this episode was just so raw and disturbing. I can't get that helpless cry he makes when he's getting doused in gasoline out of my head.
I have more to say but will say later!
This was such a mind-blow. Peter Krause has never been on my radar until now, so it's cool when you see a lead actor from one show hiding in plain sight in another show you have been watching since you were a kid. Seinfeld tends to be a good reference for cameos after watching any show, considering it never really registered with me that Michael Chiklis from The Shield (which I also finished recently) also played a major role in an early episode.
Other than that, I also want to say I thought it was cool that "Dead Putting Society" (Homer reading Flanders' letter) was used as a way to end an episode. I've seen The Simpsons used in other shows and sometimes it can off as pandering or as just a shoutout on it's surface, but here it had a creatively genuine intent and seeing the Fisher family sit around to watch that scene after Ruth decided to take off just felt like a very special way to end that episode. It's as if Alan Ball or the writer understood the show more specifically for it's emotion and intellectual depth, rather than the institutional or cultural success and used it accordingly to fit the story.
Small video game appreciation in the finale: I like David's (paraphrasing) "I made it to Moscow on Tony Hawk's Underground. I'm a hero now." Just one of those cool game references where you understand it and it actually makes sense since Moscow is one of the last levels in the game. The idea of David playing that game is really funny to me.
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