thanks for that info. pretty cool stuff
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thanks for that info. pretty cool stuff
Someone prematurely updated this thread's title!
Well, I guess since it will be Saturday where I live in less than 4 minutes its ok. Up for discussion this week: The Computer Wore Menace Shoes!
I didn't know that about the hippies so thanks for sharing that info, zartok (I've never heard about that old comic but it's still pretty cool to know that they used those three hippies for the scene in the episode).
Anywa, I will watch the current featured episode soon and then do a review of it so stay tuned.
The Computer Wore Menace Shoes
The Computer Wore Menace Shoes, initially called Homer the Drudge, is yet another episode written by John Swartzwelder and it shows. The episode begins with Homer failing to learn the Plant has been closed because he doesn't own a computer. Ignoring the fact that there has already been several episodes showing the Simpsons own a computer, this initial premise of Homer buying a computer seems alright. I didn't own a computer until around 2005 so I could relate to this problem. Where the show goes from here however is just bizarre.
Homer buys his computer and, after giving up on it entirely in a few minutes, builds his own web page by stealing things from other websites. He becomes obsessed with the computer to such an extent that he ignores Bart's troubles at school, a particularly dark line of gags that never really go anywhere. Eventually Homer becomes Mr. X, a persona dedicated to fighting corruption in Springfield. We learn from him about Mayor Quimby's pool and that the police use the electric chair to fry chicken. There is also a fairly decent, if a bit predictable, screw the audience-esque gag that messes with you expectations.
A Pretty Good Misdirection
It doesn't take Mr. X long to become the talk of the town. Unfortunately for him however, Homer cannot keep his persona a secret when he learns he won the Pulitzer Prize. With his identity revealed the townsfolk purposefully avoid Homer. His website losing interest, Homer decides to do what all good journalists do: make things up. As it turns out, one of the things he fabricated, that flu shots possess mind control serum, is the truth. To keep this a secret Homer is kidnapped and transported to an island.
Act 3 is basically one giant parody of the 1960s TV show, The Prisoner. If you don't know what The Prisoner is, I don't think its possible to fully appreciate this act. Homer is greeted by Prisoner star Patrick McGoohan and told why he is being held on the island. Homer is gassed and drugged several times, an apparent trademark of The Prisoner. When Homer meets the mastermind behind his capture he is told a look alike will ensure his family never misses him. And as it turns out, a Homer clone with a German voice manages to fool everyone.
A Decent Sight Gag
Homer eventually manages to make it off the island and confront his replacement, but not before being attacked by the anti-escape orb. This scene is ok, but was much better in "The Joy of Sect." I also liked how Homer parked his boat in the driveway. A good gag reminiscent of Flanders with the swan boat in "Alone Again Natura-diddly." The episode ends as the whole family is gassed and trapped on the island...seemingly forever.
What can be said about this episode? An ok if obviously counter-continuity premise becomes more and more ridiculous until it becomes a parody of something so obscure I have to wonder how anyone who has never seen The Prisoner can enjoy it. I always remember as a young teen hating that third act. The gassing got really old really quickly, and the rest just seemed stupid and boring. Even ten years later I can't help but feel exactly the same. The crazy and rather lazy ending is also typical of episodes in the Scully-Era and just plain stinks.
There are some decent gags, including Homer and Moe's exchange with Moe being honest about his inability to keep a secret, and Burns being blown away by the hand dryer, but most of it just falls flat. The episode is interesting in that it was trying to comment on the computer-age at the time, and I like that they actually made a real web page for it, but stupid is stupid and calling this episode mediocre would be too kind. Even Marge's intelligence is downgraded for the sake of a stupid story. I hate how willing she is to go along with the new Homer. Homer being happy that starving children died so he could get his cash prize is another Jerk-ass Homer moment that makes me cringe.
You may have noticed that this review is sloppier than my first two and I think its because that's really all this episode deserves. I feel that this episode could only be enjoyed in a group where other people laugh at it. Laughing can be contagious after all. To those that like this I have to ask why. I dunno, maybe I'm being too harsh but at best I can only give this mess a 2/5. The crazy Swartzwelder humor crashed and burned here, an example of one of the many bad episodes he wrote in this era.
Last edited by Oh, that's raspberry!; 06-04-2011 at 03:48 PM.
i'll watch it later and do my review later, but did anyone see a thread from either sometime last year or sometime in 2009, where people were discussing the german homer and marge? some people misinterpreted this and thought the german homer raped marge (because he says something about taking her out to dinner and then them having 'german sex' and marge seems ok with it, but in actuality, she was saying OK with the dinner part, not the sex part). did anyone else ever misinterpret this part?
"A Night Out is a Night Out" is all she says...that could be interpreted many ways honestly, but no I never suspected they had sex. Its a terrible response from her given only for a joke anyway....
EDIT: That might actually be what she says to Bart in Missionary Impossible, but she says something similar here...
Last edited by Oh, that's raspberry!; 06-04-2011 at 03:38 PM.
I really love this episode. I like how it starts off as a down-to-earth, but funny episode, and then turns very wacky. It really makes this a unique episode and it stands out from the crowd. I used to not like this episode, due to it's wackiness, but now, I can appreciate it and enjoy it. Sure, the plot might have taken a random turn, but even without any knowledge of the source material, I was able to enjoy it. The first two acts involve a typical Homer plotline. He has a completely random experience after he casually buys a computer, in which he appears to be rather clueless. This then sends him on a random adventure as he helps the town by exposing the secrets of the citizens. When he screws it up, he, like his usual self, gets around it though fraud. This sends him to the island over something seemingly trivial to the episode (the flu shots). The island part, like I said, is random, but it also adds another layer to the episode that some people make enjoy or not. It still manages to stay funny, as the episode is humorous throughout. For example, I thought it was funny, but a bit cruel, when Moe kept prisoners (Moleman) in his bar. In addition, I thought the fake German Homer was a humorous touch. I don't think that the sex gag is really a big deal, it's just a joke showing Marge's ignorance to how obviously it was a fake humor. Overall, some people dislike this episode, but I really enjoy it. 5/5
You can do anything if you put your mind to it.
Everything happens for a reason.
Just be yourself. Everyone else is already taken.
Don't worry about the world ending today. It's already tomorrow in Australia.
Right, of course why she doesn't question where the real Homer is....
the computer wore menace shoes, at one time or another, has been described as one of the wackiest, and sometimes worst, of the series (back when it aired at least). if i saw this the night it aired, and had no idea it was a parody (maybe even if i did know), i probably would not like it. but i think this is a very funny episode.
the first two acts had some good laughs. homer saying he knows how god feels, and then telling marge to 'bring me two of every animal', the dancing jesus webpage, "Seymour, are you looking at naked ladies?" "No mother" "You sissy!" the plot of homer revealing secrets annonymously is pretty good enough. the only thing i am not really keen on in the first two acts is when bart is talking about the switchblade. it seems... dark and not funny to me. seems random and it just does not fit into bart's character a lot (taking a swing at a cop? what?) but i like pretty much all of the first two acts except this. the third act is one of the weirdest third acts in the show but even then it was still watchable, for me at least. homer getting drugged so many times got old fast but it was still a good act, even if it is wacky. the first two acts saved the episode from being a total failure. i'll give it a 3.5/5
sorry for the short-ish review, i'll try and do more in-depth ones in the future. i'm just kinda bored so i decided to do this now
I've been waiting for you to contribute here Zartok!
I do think this episodes likability relies on whether or not you can suspend your disbelief and really enjoy the 3rd act. because the first two act are pretty generic Scully stuff.
Directed by the amazing Mark Kirkland, assistant director Matt Faughnan. Animation by Sarge Morton, Luis Escobar, Jim O'brien, Francis Dinglasan, Tim Bailey, Norman Auble, and Matt Schofield, among others.
Sargeant Mort is all over this episode. He does alot of facial closeups of Homer with his distinctly large eyes.
He animates homer's unnecessary arrival at work in the morning.
The lengthly sequence where Homer introduces the family to his new webpage.
A few scenes during Homer's meeting with Number 2, particularly around the aformentioned "Decent sight-gag" involving the needled ice cream.
Homer's oceanic encounter with the ominous "anti-escape orb".
And, the climax, where Homer returns home, fights with his German self, through until the entire Simpson family is gassed.
The 'Mortonson' subterranian people Homer mentions living under the city of Denver were probably named after Sarge Morton. This is among the last episodes to feature him as an animator.
James O'brien's style turns up in a few scenes when Homer awakens on the island.
He always drew Homer with a curve-shaped head. He may also have done the scene with Krusty and Apu at the Kwik-E-mart.
This scene was anaimted by Norm Auble:
All for now.
Last edited by zartok-35; 07-10-2011 at 11:27 PM.
Great, great stuff as usual zartok. One thing I really didn't comment on at all was the animation which looks very nice here. Easily the best aspect of the episode. Kirkland and his crew rarely disappoint. Easily my favorite director and one who is all too often overlooked.
Mark Kirkland is the best director on The Simpsons. He's also my personal favorite, so I might be a little biased when I say that. He doesn't dissapoint on this episode.
The Computer Wore Menace Shoes
Re watching this episode late last night I found myself being less entertained by it than the first few time watching it. Maybe it's just not that good of an episode or the novelty of it as worn off, I don't know, One thing I do know is that it really looses steam transferring between acts in really peculiar ways leaving the final act to seem completely thrown together and randomly ending on such a stupid note it makes the good first act lost in our minds and replaced with stupid jokes and unfunny sight gags. I did however like Moe in this episode and Homer wasn't as bad as he could of been, but no one else really stood out to me (Probably because it was only Homer supplying the jokes and no one else had anything funny to say) I just don't know. This is a fairly average season 12 episode and a pretty bad Simpsons episode...
Rich and Wes were great in their day, but I don't think they're as good as Kirkland. Rich and Mark were usually on the same level as far as cinematography is concerned, but Kirk's execution is more appealing to me personally.
And so, the next episode to be featured is the sixth one of the twelfth season and it's somewhat suitably named 'The Computer Wore Menace Shoes'. The plot about Homer getting a computer so that he can recieve e-mails and ends up creating the Mr. X webpage which he uses to spread rumors and gossip to the town up is a pretty good and mostly down-to-earth plot and it works well; then as the third act is about to begin, it starts diving into wackiness as Homer is mysteriously transported to 'The Island' and is replaced back home by an impostor because of one of his fake news he posted due to his dwindling popularity as Mr. X is indeed true. I don't dislike this episode even though it obviously isn't perfect, but I don't really mind the wacky and wierd parts and it's got some fun gags and jokes so I do enjoy it quite a bit.
I haven't seen 'The Island' so maybe I don't get all the references in the parody of it that is the third act, but I still think it's a pretty funny twist for the episode even though it's such a nosedive in realism if compared to the previous acts. Being an episode from the very early post-classic era, I naturally expect some of the characterizations to be a bit off or wierd and in this episode, I think the characterizations of most of the characterizations were pretty good and most of the characters seemed to be in character, with a few exeptions; such as Marge being rather okay with continuing her life together with the fake Homer and Homer himself was perhaps a little jerkassy but it doesn't matter since it wasn't as bad as it could have been. The scene with Bart sitting on the sofa and saying things like "They found a switchblade in my locker" and "I took a swing at a cop" felt out of place and slightly out of character but I must admit that it's randomness makes it slightly funny. The pacing is pretty good (it didn't feel rushed) and the guest star, who apparently reprised his role from the series the third act parodies, did a very good job so there is nothing I can complain about there. The dialogue in the episode is surprisingly good and several of the characters lines to each other made me laugh.
There's loads of good to great jokes and gags in the episode: Burns failing to flee the gas from the bug bomb can, Homer looking at the price tag and then taking a sip of coffee before looking at the price tag again only to spit the coffee out (it's a great gag), Homer dragging the computer in it's box after the car, Homer throwing the computer into the trashcan can despite the note with the 'simple commands', Homer's face briefly appearing uncovered as the Mr. X webpage loads (a fun little visual joke), Skinner's mother calling him a sissy for not looking at porn, "Bring me two of every animal" followed by the pets running off, Homer playing with the toilet paper while sitting in the toilet stall, Burns putting Homer's little noteblock back into the vent, Moe keeping Moleman locked up in the tavern's basement, "Who brought us here?""I don't know""Did you bring us here?""No!" (it's a simple and funny exchange), Homer suddenly starting to eat the drug shot filled ice-cream sundae, The German Homer impostor (hilarious idea and pulled off very nicely too; gotta love that accent and I find it funny how he openly hints at the existence of The Island to Bart), the lines "Shut up!; that's why!" and "Yes, fight and struggle!". There were also some dark jokes; Homer's "They are with God now" about the orphan children (I think it worked because of Marge's reaction) and Rod and Todd being sick with influenza and hallucinates; the "Mommy?" line makes it really dark but it's a somewhat good example of such humor.
As for the animation, it is bright and detailed and it's after all because it's from one of the last years of hand-drawn animation on the show and it just shows how much the animation had evolved since the start of the series. There is also a number of animation effects and angles and naturally, I'm gonna point out my favorites: first off, I like the angle they have when they show Homer trying to set the computer up at the table (seen in the first picture of this post); it's not an angle they use too often so it is good to see them use it. Second, I love the small effect of the frog swimming around in the lava lamp in the Island leader's office (they pointed it out on the commentary I believe); it's wacky, simple, fun and it works as a great sight gag. Third, the scene in Burns' office where he shows the uranium to the terrorists has some great effects: the green glow from the rods and how it reflects on the characters infront of them is really cool and the shadow effects as we see Homer hiding in the vent and writing on his little noteblock is very neat. I really liked how they combined the two in the shot seen from Homer's point of view; it adds a lot to the scene and it's very cinematical so I'd say the animators did a great job:
Overall, it's obviously not a conventional episode because of it's nosedive into a wacky third act which concludes with the family being gassed and brought to The Island and supposedly forced to stay there for the rest of their lives. Like with most episode like these that are laden with wacky elements and such, I generally don't take them too seriously and I think it helps. The Island wackiness makes it into quite a memorable episode even though it's far from a masterpiece and I think that without that stuff, it maybe could just have been another episode (which in a way could have been interesting as well). All in all, it's a good episode with solid animation, several fun moments and a nice enough plot that goes way overboard, but it has me entertained despite it's faults.
Last edited by CousinMerl; 06-05-2011 at 11:12 PM.
Well said, NumberZone! I feel the same way about the epsidoe as you do.
Hmm, this episode ended up being around where I expected it to be. It's pretty standard Scully stuff with some amusing but rather standalone jokes, weak characters, and a zany story. Despite the absolutely crazy last act I don't think it really sits any worse or better than the average episode of this period.
Homer's in rather whiny and self-oriented form here. He's not really all that likeable but at least his behaviour in the plot is rather harmless comparatively speaking. After all, a job of the week discoevering various secrets is far from the worst he's ever done. I won't credit him for being any more than his usual season 12 self though as it didn't seem to be motivated by anything other than wanting a popular website and basking in the glory that goes along with it. Bart and Marge are pretty much boards who deliver a few expository lines, while Lisa works once again as the straight girl in Homer's zany escapades.
In the first two acts the story takes pretty standard turns for the time with Homer on some tangent that eventually gets him into some sort of trouble. Not to say the classics never did this, but the formula is far more tired and is without the dynamic storytelling of back then. If I were to credit this episode for anything it's that it wasted no time getting to the point early. Of course then there's the infamous last act parodying the Prisoner. It's so bizarre that I'm really not even mad about it. It might be because I don't care. I mean, I don't really feel like there's anything at stake despite the rather difficult predicament the characters are in. I probably prefer the stuff on the island over what takes place back in Springfield with the German Homer. The whimsical setting and goofy company at least provide a weird factor if nothing else. And the conclusion leaving them on the island doesn't really distress me at all as it at least gives something different over a slapdash, lazy return to the status quo. Bizarre, not good, but not really all that infuriating and not that much of a fall from the rest of the episode.
There were a few gags that I did enjoy. There's the police website which I find quite funny, the mysterious bible secret that we never get to here, the aforementioned sight gag with Homer being clearly visible upon the website load, Burns sticking the notepad back in the vent, and Carl being led to think Homer is Mr. X. It's mostly individual moments though and Scully episodes were so often like this: A few well-executed gags but a rather uninspired overall production. Average Scully fare with a tinge of weirdness that make it a little unique if nothing else. 2/5 (D+)
Last edited by Nauru-1; 06-05-2011 at 09:11 PM.
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I'm probably not going to do a review for this one again. just because I don't really feel there is that much to talk about. This episode is the epitomee of the Scully era. A stupid/wacky/makes no sense third act, some gags while funny aren't supported well/75% fall flat and it is extremely Homer centric. Not saying the episode focusing around Homer is bad or anything but this one wasn't done well. I'm actually surprised Bart didn't somehow end up partnering up with him to act as his straight man.
Eh. I thought it was alright; nothing special or memorable just... alright...
The Falcon and the D'ohman (4.5/10) Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts (4.0/10) Treehouse of Horror XXII (1.0/10) Replacable You (3.5/10) The Food Wife (4.0/10) The Book Job (8.0/10) The Man in the Blue Flannel Pants (4.0/10) The Ten-Per-Cent Solution (4.5/10) Holidays of Future Passed (8.5/10) Politically Inept, With Homer Simpson (3.5/10) The D'oh-cial Network (2.5/10) Moe Goes From Rags to Riches (1.5/10) The Daughter Also Rises (5.0/10) At Long Last Leave (2.5/10) Exit Through the Kwik-E-Mart (1.0/10) How I Wet Your Mother (4.0/10) Them, Robot (3.0/10) Beware My Cheating Bart (5.0/10) A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again (3.0/10) The Spy Who Learned Me (3.5/10) Ned 'N' Edna's Blend (5.5/10) Lisa Goes Gaga (1.0/10)
The uranimum sequence is animated by either Norm Auble or John Achenbach.
Last edited by zartok-35; 06-08-2011 at 01:59 AM.
I never saw The Prisoner so the references escaped me during my initial watch and it led me into seeing this as a very surreal episode with sleeping gas coming out of doggie's mouth.
And this must be the second time for The Simpsons to let a disturbing koala send the viewers out with an uncomfortable feel at the end. (first time was when that koala clinged at the chopper during the end of Bart vs Australia)
So we got a kinda rushed wtf-ending, something we were getting used to during this period in Simpsons' canon. Despite the pile of confusion left behind after watching would I still call this a recommendable episode 'when in the right state of mind'.
Alright everyone its currently 95 degrees where I live and only gonna get hotter! So as we ease gently into Summer officially over the next few weeks I figured that my episode selection should mirror this. And what better style of episode to choose for such a time than.......one dealing with Halloween!!!!
That's right all, I choose Treehouse of Horror III! Originally aired on October 29, 1992. I was 4 years old at the time....I have to admit I'm surprised no one chose any trilogy episodes yet but I figured I might as well be the first. It took me awhile to decide on this episode, I strongly considered nominating a couple of others first but I feel fine with this choice.
So yeah, Treehouse of Horror III will be officially up for discussion beginning this Saturday
Oooh, maybe I'll try my hand at reviewing this one, since I can write full reviews for each segment.
The original Favorite and least favorite by season
Shorts: 1: The Pacifier Watching TV 2: World War III Maggie's Brain 3: Bathtime Scary Movie
Episodes: 1: Krusty Gets Busted The Telltale Head 2: Bart Gets an F The War of the Simpsons 3: Homer at the Bat Separate Vocations 4: Brother From the Same Planet Krusty Gets Kancelled 5: Cape Feare $pringfield 6: Homer Badman Lisa on Ice 7: King-Size Homer Lisa the Iconoclast 8: Simpsoncalifragilisticexpialad'ohcious The Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase 9: Girly Edition The Trouble with Trillions 10: Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo Homer Simpson in: "Kidney Trouble" 11: Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner? Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder 12: HOMЯ Tennis the Menace 13: Tales from the Public Domain She of Little Faith 14: The Dad Who Knew Too Little Helter Shelter 15: The Ziff Who Came to Dinner Bart-Mangled Banner 16: Don't Fear the Roofer She Used to Be My Girl 17: My Fair Laddy The Italian Bob 18: The Haw-Hawed Couple You Kent Always Say What You Want 19: Funeral for a Fiend All About Lisa 20: Gone Maggie Gone Four Great Women and a Manicure 21: The Bob Next Door The Color Yellow 22: Homer Scissorhands How Munched is That Birdie in the Window? 23: The Falcon and the D'ohman A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again
Great, I watched THoH III just yesterday (Can't wait to watch it again this Saturday )
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