Can you please add me to the episode nomination list? I want to get involved with the Episode Club again, this was a lot of fun last year.
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Can you please add me to the episode nomination list? I want to get involved with the Episode Club again, this was a lot of fun last year.
All right, since Wiggs is a no-show, which episode will it be, Nauru?
I received a message from Nauru who will nominate sometime tonight.
I felt it was time for another post-classic episode but one that at least garners a fairly positive reputation. So with that, let's go with...
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With its story clearly inspired by the 1993 film Indecent Proposal, pitched by Jim Brooks, written by Tim Long and directed by Lauren MacMullan, Season 13's Half-Decent Proposal finds Homer and Marge being offered a million dollars if Marge agrees to spend the weekend with Artie Ziff, who remains obsessed with her even after becoming an internet billionaire. But we begin the episode with a nice little sequence involving Comic Book Guy's devotion to Jar Jar. We enter the Simpson home to discover Marge isn't getting much sleep these days because of Homer's snoring. It gets so bad that Marge can't properly function as a wife and mother. Cheers to the animation crew in this first act for successfully making Marge look so very exhausted. Homer and Marge seek an operation to help his condition, but realize they cannot afford it. While staying with her sisters for the night an e-mail is sent to Artie Ziff declaring Marge's enduring passion for the man, who takes it a little too seriously as we end act 1.
Although you can't really tell by this picture, Artie's obsession with Marge allows for a beautifully disturbing piece of animation.
Artie arrives as we begin act 2. He takes the family out via helicopter and makes his titular offer. The key difference here of course is sex is not being discussed, merely a chance for Marge to see what she missed out on by marrying Homer. Still, the thought disgusts Marge who leaves with Homer immediately, minus the kids. As time goes on however Homer's problem is getting worse, as he has actually somehow begun to snore while awake. I absolutely love the animation here of Homer snoring through his mouth and eyelids:
Homer and Marge eventually accept Artie's offer, but Homer lays some ground rules. We are given a fine M*A*S*H parody complete with a distraught Homer:
Everything seems to be going alright until the guys at Moe's make Homer rethink his decision. It doesn't take long for him to leave the bar running in pursuit of Marge. Speaking of Marge, Artie has managed to recreate their Senior Prom. Many of our beloved Springfieldians are decked out in appropriate 70s attire giving us some very nice character designs. I particularly enjoyed Edna K's, as well as Professor Frink. Marge is touched by Artie's thoughtfulness, but assures him that she will never leave her husband. At this point his true nature begins to show as he forcefully kisses her. A spying Homer sees this, but is unaware of the circumstances. He leaves worrying that he'll never be born as we end act 2.
Marge takes care of the little nerd in act 3, but comes home to find the scene from The Simpsons Movie, only reversed. Seriously I was pretty surprised when I first saw this scene after watching the movie as it is nearly identical to the one there, only with Homer having made the tape. He informs her he saw her and Artie and has decided to leave forever. Lenny goes with him, having nothing better to do, and they get jobs on an oil rig in West Springfield. I really like some of the character designs here such as the guy with the hook head. We also get some nice Lenny/Carl relationship humor throughout this episode, the best perhaps being Mount Carlmore:
The family learns an approximate location of where Homer is and Marge thinks of a way to find him: Artie's helicopter. I really enjoyed Grampa's reference to Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder here. They track down Homer and Lenny, who find themselves in peril thanks to some bad luck involving ants. Artie convinces Homer that Marge only has eyes for him, and Carl's presence is more than enough for Lenny as they escape death just in time. Homer and Marge don't get the money Artie offered, but he does manage to make a new invention which negates Homer's snoring, and suggests something far more nefarious, as we end the episode.
Overall I really liked this one and it is definitely one of Season 13's highlights. John Lovitz is always great on the show and here is no exception. I love his singing in this episode, as well as his near end declaration of being Artie Ziff. The story, while not original, is interesting enough and flows at a solid pace throughout. I have never actually seen Indecent Proposal but it never stopped me from enjoying the episode. We have several solid gags including the ones mentioned above. The animation is solid and the audio commentary for the episode hints that director Lauren MacMullan may have been asking for too much. I'll leave that to Zartok though if he wants to comment.
Interestingly enough the chalkboard gag for this one seems to be a reference to Butterfingers, the candy bar which appears at least twice this season, once through deleted scene. At the time Bart had been dropped from the candy bar. Homer's behavior may seem extreme, and the third act in West Springfield may be a turn off to some, but I really liked it. This entire episode's overall feel just comes off as quite naturally funny to me. Something else I wanted to mention is I liked all the scenes we got of Marge here showing off some skin in bed. It never gets to the point of her being completely nude as in several classic era episodes, but it was definitely effective at showing her beauty(when she isn't looking haggard because of Homer's snoring) and just really a nice touch. Overall an episode I really like, and one I continue to enjoy after multiple viewings. If I had to grade it right now I'd probably say 4.5/5 rounded up to a 5 on a poll.
PS: I never noticed it until recently but Homer and Marge's High School principal is in quite a few more episodes of the show than I remembered. He has a little cameo here as well during the prom scene.
PPS: I forgot to mention it but Dan Castellaneta claims in the audio commentary that he came up with the design for Artie Ziff and Al Jean says Sam Simon named him. I'm not sure but I watched The Way We Was with commentary around a month or so ago and I think David Silverman says he designed the character. Maybe he just failed to give Dan credit? Regardless just something I wanted to point out.
Last edited by Oh, that's raspberry!; 07-22-2011 at 10:08 PM.
Nice and interesting choice (oh, and good early review, raspberry); it will be fun to give this one a rewatch. By the way, can someone update the thread title?
Thanks Zone! Only a mod can update the title, but if you somehow ever don't know what episode is currently up for discussion just check the first post of the thread as I always have the current episode in bold.
And just so you know I live on the East Coast so my review was written on Saturday and is therefor not early in the sense that I wrote it before then, but it was written rather early after the choice was made, I just had nothing better to do.
Ah, Half-Decent Proposal. One of the episodes I had in my mind to select myself.
Well, it IS the best S13 episode imo. Exceptionally well-drawn scenes, good choice of accompanying music and a script with humour and heart.
It reminds me of the O&W period.
Bringing back Artie Ziff as an internet-millionaire is inspired.
And it turns out he's still obsessed by Marge (his Marge-shrine is as beautiful as it is disturbing) meanwhile not getting why she would prefer someone like Homer over him.
So he uses his money, buys himself some time to show her the life she could have led and also tries to recapture the past by doing over the prom.
Even Dondelinger was willing to play along again. (really keeping up with continuity here, writers... something that sadly got lost during 'That 90s Show' and weirdly came back in 'Take My Life Please')
I still wonder why they did not reuse 'close to you' during the Prom-reenactment, but the number used here also recaptivates the nostalgic feeling that reminds us of 'The Way We Was'.
When Homer decides to leave we kinda get a mirror-version from a scene constructed many years later in The Simpsons Movie, in this version Homer on tape and Marge watching though. (and without the amount of pathos)
So Homer leaves, Lenny tags along and we get instrumental music and a scene referencing to Midnight Cowboy. (a reference more subtle than in Futurama's 'Brannigan Begin Again')
Of course the status-quo recovers in the end and Marge and Homer make up, but you don't get a soothing ending with sweet dreams, because Artie is not gonna let Marge go that easily.
So feel creeped out as you know he's still watching (foreshadowing his return in a later episode, the inferior 'The Ziff Who Came to Dinner') while the screen jumps to ending credits.
Imo this episode is Lovitz's biggest Simpsons-accomplishment.
But if you think it's his performance as Llewellyn Sinclair, well I can live with that also.
Last edited by cinco; 07-23-2011 at 05:10 AM.
I’ve been following this thread for quite a while now without participating but these discussions are so interesting I can’t help myself but join you guys and give you my own opinion on the episodes of your choice. I must say the choice of the episodes is always very good.
I’ve just finished rewatching Half-Decent Proposal with my season thirteen DVD box set. I forgot how good this episode actually was. In my opinion it isn’t in the top episodes of the season but it is easily in the first 10 episodes of the season.
Let me start of with the character Artie Ziff. He was a very interesting character in Season 2 and his comeback in this episode is quite strong in my opinion. I didn’t really like him when he came back in Season 15 (probably because I feel that his personality isn’t deep enough to become the main character of more than two episodes on the show). Artie Ziff has a way of annoying me in each episode (all he thinks about is kissing Marge and making money). In this episode he lies to Marge because hadn’t he said that he wouldn’t touch her or try to kiss her during the weekend. I’m glad the character hasn’t come back to the show in Seasons 15+. The writers must have noticed that you couldn’t really do much at all with Artie Ziff opposed to Sideshow Bob.
I also want to point out that the writers had a couple of good references to Season 11. First of all, there is that scene where Abe walks through the living room and asks Marge, Lisa and Bart if Homer bowled a 300. Marge responds by saying that was a year and a half ago. Second of all there is that scene at the end of the episode where you see Homer holding a Funzo doll. I liked those small, subtle references because they were good and I hadn’t particularly noticed them before.
There were a few very good jokes that made me laugh in this episode. I like the way Patty spices things up a little in Marge’s e-mail:
“Dear Hottie! I wanna sex you up! You love slave, Marge.”
The other joke I really liked was when Homer defends his actions to the barflies:
“I didn’t sell her! I just rented her… to an old boyfriend.”
However, I think what really impresses me the most in this episode is the ending. The drawings of the desert are absolutely amazing (the colors, the shadowing). It’s mind boggling in my opinion but you guys may not have been too impressed with this ending, I don’t know.
I like the whole idea of having Lenny and Homer leave their respective lives (sort of giving up. And I laughed hard when Carl came out of the bathroom at Moe’s and asked, “What did I miss?”). I also found that the scene where Homer looks out of the bus and see’s all of those cactus’s in the form of Marge was a brilliant idea!
Travelled the world and the seven seas. I am watching you through a camera!
Directed by Lauren MacMullan, assistant director Ray Persi, with animation by Paul Wee, Luis Escobar, John Gebhart, Francis Dinglasan, John Achenbach, Drew McPhail, and Lauren's favorite animator Colin Heck, among others.
Luis Escobar animates the 'squeaking spring symphony' bedroom sequence.
Lew also does the sequence at Moes where Homer decides to leave town with Lenny.
The scene where Lenny and Homer apply to be oilers is animated by Paul Wee.
Paul also animates the scene where Homer reads Artie the riot act after negotiating their deal, and I think he does the counterfit money rant, too.
John Achenbach handles the part where Homer attempts to eat unguarded breakfasts.
"Unguarded breakfasts. The sweetest taboo."
Achenbach also does the morning after scene with Homer snoring while he's awake.
Francis Dinglasan does animation all accross the episode. Most notably, the first bedroom scenes, and Homer's video.
Jon Gebhart animates some scenes of the oil rig burning down, I think.
Have to watch again
As for the episode, I haven't watched it for a while but I can recall it being one of the funniest at the time. lenny was great in this one
Last edited by HMS pinafore; 07-25-2011 at 05:46 AM.
So, firstly, this is an episode with a nice feel to it. The colouring is nice throughout the episode, there are some laughs in there, and an interesting plot as Artie Ziff returns to the show.
To start us off we have a nice little relationship flaw as Homer keeps Marge awake with his constant snoring - quite a relatable topic for many wives, I'm sure. The breakfast scene is rather unfunny, and reminded me rather of Homer Alone, but the first act slides along nicely from here, building the story nicely, along with plenty of laughs. I regard 'Nookie in New York' to be a classic era quality parody, and Patty & Selma are suitably obnoxious whilst remaining seemingly genuine (despite Patty's rather forceful manner, which is not out of character in itself) in their attempts to convince Marge to re-establish contact with Artie.
I get the feeling that the episode was slightly too short on time for the writers to explore the effect Artie had on Homer and Marge's relationship as much as perhaps we would've liked, but Homer's reaction is well-handled, although by this point he had developed a fairly predictable reaction when faced with troubles at home. Despite this I still enjoyed the dialogue in Moe's Bar. Artie's desire to re-live the prom was also slightly strange, as one would assume he'd have moved on, although generally his portrayal as an unfulfilled and slightly crazed man despite his corporate success is done well, though Marge adopts perhaps a slightly overly-amicable manner towards Artie at one point. Despite one or two exaggerations Homer is still quite likeable here, a surprise after Scully's impact on the character in the preceding seasons, and even a little more reminiscent of the softer Homer from Jean's previous showrunning stint alongside Mike Reiss.
I found the 'unguarded breakfasts' line to be quite funny, and Marge's meeting with Artie after his helicopter descent is suitably awkward - in fact, as Raspberry noted the expressions and animation are very sharp in this episode, and combined with a plot that feels genuine rather than a vehicle for certain gags or story ideas there is plenty to make this episode feel classic. Even though there are some slightly cringeworthy late-Jean era style jokes ('Oh, no! If Marge marries Artie, I'll never be born!', 'West Springfield is three times the size of Texas', the Baron) the general quality of humour is surprisingly high in this episode. The manner in which the storyline is executed perhaps slips a little as the episode progresses, and certain aspects of Artie's rather conceited character are played on too much, but even the final scenes are quite tasteful, with a great slapstick-style scene as Homer and Lenny accidentally ignite the oil well.
Lines I found particularly amusing were the aforementioned 'unguarded breakfasts' line, and 'Let's approach with caution!', and Lenny & Carl were amusing as always, two characters that can bring laughs in any era of the show.
I like the whole premise of Artie's return and despite a few poor gags this is a good episode. And it's nice to be back with you in the Weekly Episode Club.
Last edited by Company Picnic; 07-24-2011 at 06:00 AM.
I'll try to get to my review later today, but one comment on the "If Marge marries Artie, I'll never be born" line. I actually really like that line. Homer is obviously confusing this whole situation with the prom in Back to the Future. You could argue it makes Homer a little too stupid to actually believe that, but I think it goes back to how impressionable he is when it comes to movies.
Last edited by Nauru-1; 07-24-2011 at 08:02 AM.
There's no hurry at all, but when someone gets the chance, can they please add me in the list as well. I've posted my opinion on this episode a little bit higher on this page. Thanks.
This episode really shows how Jean in his early seasons was able to bring the show back to a more classic era feel. I mean It's not an A grade episode or anything but unlike basically every Scully episode there was no glaring characterization problems or moronic third act twists.
I chose this episode with the idea that it was one of the best of the post-classic episodes, and that sentiment was fulfilled upon rewatch. It's quite an astonishing contrast against the Mike Scully holdover episodes and even some of the inconsistent Jean counterparts elsewhere in season 13, really.
The direction by Lauren MacMullan is certainly noteworthy. From the immediate glimpse into the slumberless nights Marge is facing to the return of the high school prom to a rather large but effective finale in West Springfield, there are some very effective visuals throughout.
One of the things I didn't remember quite so well was the humour. I thought it had its moments but this time around the jokes seemed to really hit. Jon Lovitz I must say made some normal lines very memorable with his delivery. Here anyways, his voice work hasn't missed a beat from his previous performances in various classics. There are some very delightful exchanges such as the unsuccessful visit to Dr. Hibbert and Homer's conversations with his friends at the bar that bring out natural humour. I don't want to call it flawless as the episode couldn't simply be dropped in the classic era without any changes, but in general I see a keen aversion to the kind of more bizarre and forced humour that was in its early days at this time. It's not a downright hilarious episode, but the comedy is fairly consistent and very well-done for a post-classic. I also want to note that the sight gag with all the oil rig workers with hooks for various body parts really made me laugh, feeling very Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker-esque.
Of course, this could all be a mess if they don't do the characters correctly. This is where the episode excels. Marge cares about her husband and puts herself in this situation out of love, Homer is more bumbling and goofy than overbearing and rude, and then the reappearance of Artie Ziff upholds casting him as forward, awkward, selfish, but not completely heartless. It also says a lot about the episode that he being wealthy feels like such a given part of his character even though that wasn't established in his first big role in the Way We Was. I realize this part of his character was first done in the Front, but that was only a brief appearance that really didn't develop his character much further.
My favourite episode of season 13 and certainly one of the best of the post-classics. 4/5 (B+)
Great work done so with the reviews so far, you guys; I've rewatched the episode now and my review of it will most likely be up some time tomorrow.
"Half Decent Proposal", written by Tim Long and directed by Lauren MacMullan, highlights the successes of the very early Jean era in spectacular fashion. As a heavily plot driven episode with more twists than your average episode, yet also with many successful gags, "Proposal" could almost be sneakily hid into the classic era, ignoring animation, and not be noticed (though some gags do betray this theory).
As stated, the core of "Proposal"'s success is its plot. Well thought-out and developed, and based upon the movie Indecent Proposal, the episode takes a simple premise (Homer's loud, troublesome snoring), links it with past characters and continuity (Artie Ziff and his riches) and expands upon it naturally, without resorting to a far-out, spontaneous conclusion. Pacing-wise, the episode was near perfect. The episode took time to develop the conflict within the episode whilst keeping the cast in character, for example, Marge initially dismisses Artie's idea, but soon comes round to the idea after enduring more of Homer's snoring. However, the episode was not perfect in this respect; whilst it made sense, Homer went from "I'm getting a big pay cheque" to "Oh no I've got to stop Artie" very quickly, though this is a minor quibble. Marge too, seemed perhaps a tad too willing when initially meeting Artie at his mansion. However, as said these are minor problems within "Proposal"'s plot that only slightly detract from the episode's grade. A slightly larger problem was the ending, with Homer and Lenny on the oil rigs, which did feel perhaps a bit "out of the blue". However, it resulted in a (almost overly) dramatic ending that wrapped up the plot and provided a lot of humour. The scene also brought us some beautiful landscapes animation-wise.
On the topic of animation, "Proposal" is perhaps one of the best animated episodes ever; unique scene transitions, effective use of lighting and camera angles, new environments, and strong, vivid colours give "Proposal" a cinematic feel that complements the dense plot perfectly. There's not much else to say - it was perfect. "Proposal" succeeds in bending the usual formula, yet also feeling like a normal Simpsons episode. Highlights include:
A great cinematic angle leading up to the climax of the story.
These scenes helped a normally boring task (pressing a button) become visually exciting and dramatic.
A unique scene transition.
The desert was beautifully done.
I just loved this camera angle.
And as per usual, excellent lighting from Lauren MacMullan.
Another one of "Proposal"'s successes is its humour, which although less character-based than the classic seasons (faceless Joe, Baron von Kissalot), still manages to be very funny, although more character-based humour could have been added to the episode, as some jokes did feel forced, despite how funny they were. Not to say that the episode was completely void of character humour - Homer's "sweetest taboo" line felt completely like classic Homer, and Artie's complete ineptitude to seduce Marge also provided laughs, especially his break-dancing. Marge also felt incredibly natural and human in this episode though, which was great, and also provided laughs ("Does that work on anyone?"). I also loved Homer's "Back to the Future" reference because it was hilariously stupid and contrasted with the emotional end of the first act. The only gag I disliked in this episode was Homer's jerking out after mentioning his other medical problems, which felt very Scully-esque (though toned down) and was simply unfunny. Another thing worth mentioning was the surprising abundance of sexual jokes in this episode, which were funny if not hilarious. Personally I don't feel they damaged the episode, but it did detract from the episode's "classic" feel. There are many other gags I haven't mentioned here: "the house of moe" line, "hey, what'd I miss?", "you can't use the word sex on the internet" and more.
With excellent storytelling, characters, and humour, "Half-Decent Proposal" succeeds in being on of, if not the best post-classic episode for me. There wasn't anything major wrong with the episode, and all of the episode's faults lie in minor flaws in the plot, characterisation and gags. But overall? It is a fantastic episode. A genuine:
Last edited by cloneasaurus; 01-04-2012 at 10:39 AM.
An episode written by Tim Long and directed by Lauren MacMullan, 'Half-Decent Proposal' is an episode from the thirteenth season and one of the first episodes of Al Jean's still ongoing tenure as a showrunner. The plot that is about Marge, after having trouble enduring Homer's colossal snoring problem which they cannot afford a surgery for, coming in contact with her old prom date Artie Ziff who is ready to pay her and Homer a million dollars to spend a weekend with him is definitely a good story and works really well and has some really funny moments. I wouldn't say this is one of my favorite post-classics but I do think it's a really good episode that feels quite natural and is not overloaded with wacky gags; it is well put together and a really entertaining episode. Overall, this is definitely one of the better episodes from season thirteen and it shows that the show was at a turning point around this time where it stepped out from the Scully years and passed into the Jean territory.
The shadow cast on the wall during the helicopter's descent is a great addition.
The animation the episode contains is fantastic, colorful and at many times quite fluid. There are many example of great effects and visuals like several soliduses of shadowing, lighting, both high and low angles, panning shots and also some other things like a camera lens flare and other smaller details. There are also some really fun and effectful bits of animation such as some facial expressions, movements made by characters (which include's Homer's snoring with trembling mouth and eyelids and when a well-rested Marge quickly whips up a breakfast for the rest of the family) and several parts that has sort of a 'epic' feel to them; all of these definitely improves the episode. I read that this episode animation-wise was a real challenge when they made it and I agree since I can see that a lot of hard effort was put into this one and I must admit that the result is fantastic and with all the effects and details in this episode makes it seem more cinematical and that's something, at least to me.
I really like the bloodshot effect they applied to her eyes here; it looks rather realistic, doesn't it?
Regarding the pacing of the episode, I think it's solid and the whole thing proceeds in a solid manner; it doesn't feel rushed and most of the content works really well. It also feels like everyone is in-character and portrayed really well and as for they secondary characters, they are used really well, perhaps especially Lenny who manages to bring forth several laughs; possibly one of the better uses of him in the post-classic era. Back again for a third time is Artie Ziff, voiced by John Lovitz (who earlier voiced the character in his first apperance in 'The Way We Was'), and really like that they brought the character back for the first time since the fourth season and showed in more of a in-depth manner what kind of man he has turned into after the years that has passed since he got rejected by Marge back in the seventies. I like the character and I think that Lovitz does a great job making him memorable so it was nice to have him back again, this time as a millionaire who still doesn't feel entirely complete since he longs to have Marge back into his life and has gotten obsessed with her in his rich but lonely life; it really expands the character and almost naturally, it's all for the better.
Even a more simple shot like this shows that they have paid much attention to the shadowing.
The episode has many fun jokes, gags and lines scattered throughout; "Oh Jar-Jar, everyone hates you but me", Bart believing that Marge is on drugs ("Cool, Mom's on drugs!; if we turn her in we can get a form letter from Dick Cheney"), Dr. Hibbert and Nick driving around wrecking mailboxes with a golf club, Marge falling asleep at the wheel while driving and then jumping out of the car leaving a screaming Bart, Lisa and Milhouse behind in the moving vehicle (hilarious stuff), the music coming out of Artie's invention with lyrics sung by him (for some reason I find that really funny), "Let's approach with caution" and the following "Unguarded breakfast: the sweetest taboo", "Hey, Marge; it's that guy who couldn't get any of ya!", Homer twitching in bed after mention the other two surgies he desperately needs, "Are you snoring while you're awake?""Uh*snore*huh", Homer's KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON message, Homer giving the statue of Artie a kick while searching for Marge, Principal Dondelinger's small role ("Have you been drinking?""Just for the last 25 years"), Homer's "If Marge marries Artie, I'll never be born!" line following by him crying and running away, Artie's desperate dancing, "What did I miss, anything good?", the gag with the baron who's actually named Kiss-A-Lot and recieves Marge's taxi bill, Homer re-enacting what he saw at the fake prom with two dolls, Mount Carlmore, the workers with hooks replacing various limbs (and even a head), Lenny's "Quick and pointless; that's the death for me" and "Looks like we're goners; oh well, Circle of Life", the reference to 'Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder' ("That was a year and half ago!"), How the fire that traps Homer and Lenny starts and Homer's short money rant near the end.
This is definitely one of the most epic shots I've seen on the show; I like it a lot.
All in all, I must say that I really enjoy this episode and it doesn not have many faults; the animation and the effects are great, the story is entertaining and mixes some drama with funny humor, which do bring my thoughts to some of the earlier seasons, perhaps especially the Oakley & Weinstein years. While I like most of the episode, the way it plays out and how it ends with Marge with the help of Artie and Carl saves Lenny and Homer from the fire, the last bit where Artie watching Marge and singing to her through a camera hidden in the device he gave to Homer which changes his snoring into music is, however, something that I do feel a bit iffy about; I guess it fits within the context of the episode as it shows that Artie is still obsessed with her, but it feels almost a bit too wierd and wacky for the episode's best, but it is not a major problem to me. Finally, I will say that it is most likely the animation that makes the episode stand out but the humor is great as well and the solid story is very well played out too; I really enjoy this one.
Can I Join the list please. It looks like fun
This is one of the stronger P-c episodes. Funny throughout. Homers back to the futurama refrence had me histerical as well as Mount carlmore. The animation was excilent in this aswell and I always love to see Arty so I give this episode about a 4.5/5
I really enjoy this episode, I do not love it but I think it's a great season 13 episode. The whole first act with Homer's sleeping disorder and Marge finding anytime or place to sleep were very funny and the big reveal of Artie and his art collection of Marge at the end of the act is really great (And a little creepy)
The next two acts are obviously rip... I mean 'homage' to the film "Indecent Proposal" (I think you could tell that by the episodes, rather clever, title) And although it is an obvious rip on the movie, I think it works really well. The whole story felt fluent and connected with just the right amount of time spent on each character with no real out of character moments. A few moment I enjoyed include the first act, Homer's line about him not being born and the prom (As a Elton John fan I always love seeing the "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" banner) and the ants on fire causing the oil to burn was a great action moment.
To conclude, this is a great return for Artie and just a great episode overall. It felt fresh and although it sort dragged on a bit in the middle, it built up to a great ending with many memorable lines and jokes throughout...
Rasberry. I got your message and yeah I'd still like to be a part of this...
The Falcon and the D'ohman (4.5/10) Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts (4.0/10) Treehouse of Horror XXII (1.0/10) Replacable You (3.5/10) The Food Wife (4.0/10) The Book Job (8.0/10) The Man in the Blue Flannel Pants (4.0/10) The Ten-Per-Cent Solution (4.5/10) Holidays of Future Passed (8.5/10) Politically Inept, With Homer Simpson (3.5/10) The D'oh-cial Network (2.5/10) Moe Goes From Rags to Riches (1.5/10) The Daughter Also Rises (5.0/10) At Long Last Leave (2.5/10) Exit Through the Kwik-E-Mart (1.0/10) How I Wet Your Mother (4.0/10) Them, Robot (3.0/10) Beware My Cheating Bart (5.0/10) A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again (3.0/10) The Spy Who Learned Me (3.5/10) Ned 'N' Edna's Blend (5.5/10) Lisa Goes Gaga (1.0/10)
Alright then stay tuned cause if I don't hear from Veganpunk in a day or two(and I'm having my doubts) it'll be your turn for episode selection.
When comparing the last time I saw the episode to now, for the first time I noticed the much underused Herman (the one-armed military antiques store guy) dancing in the foreground at Artie's fake prom and that's pretty interesting since I believe this is the first time since early Season 9 he has clearly been depicted in the foreground, although rather breifly here (and I do think the 70's look really suits him for some reason).
Also, there's something else that came to my mind just now: is there any other hand-drawn episode that rivals this episode when it comes to animation with belonging effects (shadowing, high and low angles, lighting and so on)?; for the moment I cannot think of any.
Sorry for not being around much, work sucks. Anyway my pick is from Season 11. "Last Tap Dance in Springfield".
Not an episode that is very popular, (LETS) or infamous. (Kill the Alligator).
Very interesting choice Veganpunk! I look forward to rewatching that one. As for now, just an unnecessary reminder to all that Half-Decent Proposal is still the only episode up for discussion until Saturday.
Not bad, Veganpunk. 'Tap dance' is one of the good episodes from season 11.
Raspberry, can you put up an updated list of who's gone and who's yet to go?
The original Favorite and least favorite by season
Shorts: 1: The Pacifier Watching TV 2: World War III Maggie's Brain 3: Bathtime Scary Movie
Episodes: 1: Krusty Gets Busted The Telltale Head 2: Bart Gets an F The War of the Simpsons 3: Homer at the Bat Separate Vocations 4: Brother From the Same Planet Krusty Gets Kancelled 5: Cape Feare $pringfield 6: Homer Badman Lisa on Ice 7: King-Size Homer Lisa the Iconoclast 8: Simpsoncalifragilisticexpialad'ohcious The Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase 9: Girly Edition The Trouble with Trillions 10: Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo Homer Simpson in: "Kidney Trouble" 11: Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner? Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder 12: HOMЯ Tennis the Menace 13: Tales from the Public Domain She of Little Faith 14: The Dad Who Knew Too Little Helter Shelter 15: The Ziff Who Came to Dinner Bart-Mangled Banner 16: Don't Fear the Roofer She Used to Be My Girl 17: My Fair Laddy The Italian Bob 18: The Haw-Hawed Couple You Kent Always Say What You Want 19: Funeral for a Fiend All About Lisa 20: Gone Maggie Gone Four Great Women and a Manicure 21: The Bob Next Door The Color Yellow 22: Homer Scissorhands How Munched is That Birdie in the Window? 23: The Falcon and the D'ohman A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again 24: Hardly Kirk-ing What Animated Women Want
It's on the first page. Also just to start some sort of discussion how well does everyone think this episode stacks up against the other Artie Ziff episodes?
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