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Well, ya'know if you stay positive and forget about trivial things like "proper characterization," "Satire," and "emotional depth" watching new Simpsons episodes can be a seemingly enjoyable lie.
with any other show, this would be completely illogical and like a fairy tale and obviously not true.
but with this show, all this speculation on it lasting so long honestly sounds true and that it probably WILL happen. i wonder how many more fans they will lose before then
there's a member here whose favorite is from s21 If i am not mistaken
You know what I meant though but fine, IF the show goes on like many are saying wait until one tells you his/her favorite episode is from season 27 or something...
i know what you were getting at, i was just stating that someone's favorite here is from 21, which is obviously 'rare'.
every night there is a new episode i come on here (even before i joined), and wondered what it would be like for someone to say "wow! best episode of the series! everything was done so well, everyone was in character, the jokes were hilarious, and the plot. wow. best episode, not only of the season, but of the series itself! 5/5!"
i could see that being d'ohmer (no offense intended, obviously, i'm just getting at how big a fan you are), but no matter what, i want to see someone say this after a new episode (and have them be actually serious, not sarcastic or anything)
Just bringing in Conan wouldn't fix it. They'd have to get rid of the 4 act structure for starters.
I fully expect the series to end after season 25. Everyone on the show, no matter what they say, knows that the show needs to end and I think that once they hit that quarter of a century landmark they'll call it quits. I'm actually excited for the final season because I would expect a lot of people who worked on the show in its early years to come back and contribute.
I think ultimately the continuation of the show depends on how long the ballooning budget can be over-come by the show's expenses. Put simply. the budget of the show comes in at 2-3 million an episode. So the real question is how much actual revenue does the show generate? As Ive stated before, if you factor in it's numbers in Canada, Australia and the UK, plus what it does in online streaming from fox, hulu and like; I believe one could comfortably say the show gets nearly 18-20 million viewers for a new episode within it's first week.
But like with any franchise, the real money is in merchandising. Now it seems to me that the Simpsons actually has more merchandising in the UK then it does in America at this point. Maybe not the same amount of actual sales, but more product. Factor in the exchange rate and they dont have to sell like gang-busters to turn a pretty penny. There also seems to be a pretty big boat-load of merchandise in Korea (south of course), as the show has a descent amount of popularity there. In fact in my opinion Fox really screwed the pouch by not making exposure to the Simpsons easier in Japan. They are by-and-large only available on a pay station (like HBO here) cause let me tell you, NOBODY merchandises like the Japanese.
So the real question is how much money does the franchise take in vs. how much do they have to payout to executive producers who have had no input (or very minimal) in the show for years now (Sam Simon takes in around 2 million a year for example).
The Falcon and the D'ohman (4.5/10) Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts (4.0/10) Treehouse of Horror XXII (1.0/10) Replacable You (3.5/10) The Food Wife (4.0/10) The Book Job (8.0/10) The Man in the Blue Flannel Pants (4.0/10) The Ten-Per-Cent Solution (4.5/10) Holidays of Future Passed (8.5/10) Politically Inept, With Homer Simpson (3.5/10) The D'oh-cial Network (2.5/10) Moe Goes From Rags to Riches (1.5/10) The Daughter Also Rises (5.0/10) At Long Last Leave (2.5/10) Exit Through the Kwik-E-Mart (1.0/10) How I Wet Your Mother (4.0/10) Them, Robot (3.0/10) Beware My Cheating Bart (5.0/10) A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again (3.0/10) The Spy Who Learned Me (3.5/10) Ned 'N' Edna's Blend (5.5/10) Lisa Goes Gaga (1.0/10)
Alright everyone I have something of a mini-mystery for all of you. In an earlier post for this thread I said I had read in multiple places that the current Simpsons episodes ordered count is now upto 515. With that in mind I rewatched the audio-commentary for Day of the Jackanapes last night and Al Jean mentions the show at the time had been renewed for season 21 and 22 with a total of 493 episodes. This sunday FOX will air The Ned-Liest Catch, episode 486, as Season 22's finale. So season 23 will have 7 holdover episodes which is nothing new, but if you add 22, the typical number of episodes FOX orders a season, to 493 you get 515. More interestingly though is that this implies Season 23, if truly the end, will be 29 episodes long! My question then is how will FOX air these episodes? Over the same time period with occasional double new episode nights like we saw with season 16? Maybe stretch new episodes into the Summer of next year? Or is this actual proof that its only a matter of time and contract negotiations before the show is renewed yet again? Thoughts?
Well, if that's 22 episodes for season 23 plus the 7 holdovers from season 22, wouldn't those extra 7 be held over for season 24?
A hypothetical season 24 if yes, but the show hasn't been renewed for a 24th season yet...
well -and this is MY thoughts here- Until otherwise noted they would continue along as normal until the very end. So what would that mean? Well look how Fox handled both Futurama and King of the Hill. Both of those shows had additional episodes in various stages of completion beyond the official final episode. Those episodes have already been paid for so unless something reallllly went south, production would finish up on them. So what happened to the final episodes in question then humm. Well in King of the Hill's case, they simply included them as part of the syndication package. Now Futurama is a much sticker situation. Depending on who you believe their a variety of explanations of the show hold over episodes. Though (and this is my deductive opinion) it appears that much of the material (both in plotlines/jokes as well as VA's work and animation) was incorporated into the straight to dvd movies.
So what about the Simpsons! My first instinct would be that Fox would air the normal amount for the season, wait a few months until the final hold overs were complete, and then promote the absolute fuck outta them and milk every remaining episode for all it's worth. But (why is there always a but), then I remember that were talking about Fox here. Firstly they HATE the Simpsons (or to be more accurate the creative staff of the show) and secondly, when the hell has Fox's programing decisions EVER made sense from a financial stand point? (the answer is never by the way) So I could just as easily see Fox pulling the plug on essentially completed episodes and letting them rot on the vine probably to never see the light of day (officially anyways).
To be honest with you, I think the real tragedy would be that there wouldnt really be an actual ending for the show. Now I know that thread has already debated it here, but I for one would actually want an actual definitive ending of the show instead of just another episode. Just my opinion on that.
Interesting stuff noaizuma, I remember listening to the nohomers podcast about possible endings. Personally I'd like a final episode that gives a sense of finality, but doesn't dwell on it too much or get overly emotional.
Also, I doubt Fox would ignore any completed episode, if there's money to be made of course.
ya the only reasons I speculate that they MIGHT disregard completed eps, is solely because various executives have a major ax to grind with the creative staff and money be damned if they'd use ANY opportunity to get the perceived "last laugh" and they certainly have a VERY long track record of dicking over both fans and creators. Now having said that I hope that none of that comes to pass, but Fox has broken my heart SOOOOOO many times in the past. *drops to knees weeping* "Damn you Fox, where are my Small Wonder DVD's!!!" *sob*
I don't believe S23 will, be the last. 25 maybe, but not 23. Aren't they supposed to have some contest for the season finale that will change the show from that point on? Doesn't make sense to do that only to cancel it one season later.
I actually think this is a last ditch effort to save The Simpsons.
sorry I just had a Lisa moment there
The end of season 22 will have a total of 486 episodes.
If the usual 22 episode count is used for future seasons:
season 23 will end with 508
season 24 will end with 530
season 25 will end with 552 [If season 25 is the last and the Series Finale is an hour long (split as a two parter for syndication), the 550th episode will be the one before the final episode]. Oh my god, am I encouraging them to go for more milestones.
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