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    Rate and Review: "Donnie Fatso" (MABF19)

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    When Homer gets sent to prison on New Year's Eve, he cuts a deal to get his sentence reduced in exchange for going undercover to get information on Fat Tony, only to get on the wrong side of Fat Tony's cousin - Fit Tony

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    Granted, I haven't seen "Donnie Brasco", but tonight's episode felt like it just wandered from one plot point to another. The only line that even made me smile was Homer's: "...trust based on a lie!" and the rest of the episode felt like a bunch of mob cliches` cobbled together.


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    I actually enjoyed this episode, I liked how there wasn't a B story. The "Who Shot Mr. Burns" Reference was pretty good. The Fit Tony thing was good, 'till he started eating. That was just a lame excuse not to kill off a character. I found it to be funny, and the story to be pretty decent. Also, was it just me or did Fat Tony's voice sound...off tonight? 4/5
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    "Fit Tony" was funny enough, but the ending was perdictable. Overall, that wasn't bad, hit and miss. Jon Hamm was incorperated well. 2.7 out of 5. This is the first/only effort from Chris Cluess so far.
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    it was ok but fat tony dying was "wtf" for me. i find it hard to believe fat tony can't recognize homer just because of a wig. it's not like they've never interacted before. and then, fat tony dies. i kept expecting them to bring him back, but then we meet "fit tony", and at the end he becomes the new "fat tony", which to me is a big "fuck you." killing off a character and then us meeting his cousin, only to have his cousin somehow become the new "fat tony"? come on. why bother killing him off then? it was going to be 4/5 or so, but because of the last, 3/5. the only good thing in the last act for me was burns' "this is awkward". 3/5

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    I loved it. It's my new favorite of the season. The plot was fantastic. It flowed very well and I liked how Homer and Fat Tony's friendship developed. He went from an undercover agent to someone who was actually upset when he died. Then, Fit Tony came in to the episode and it took an interesting turn. Fit Tony's explanation for letting Homer go was reasonable. Though it may be rather controversial, I'm glad the writers didn't take the easy way out by bringing Fat Tony back. Instead, they used a clever scheme to make it so that the events in this episode seemingly never happened. They managed to pull another The Principal and the Pauper and I D'oh Bot. The humor was also great. There were many great gags that make me laugh, like CBG grabbing the ice cream cone and Mr. Burns exercising next to Homer. They managed to pull off the type of gag that makes me love The Simpsons. Quick and simple, but super-effective. There wasn't really anything bad that I can think of at the moment. 5/5!

    Oh and I thought the couch gag was very clever. Think of the effort it took the writers to come up with 24 different, clever, and funny pictures. I expect full appreciation around here! (jk lol)
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    Compared to the last few episodes, this one was much better for me. A lot of funny jokes, the Fit Tony thing was not bad, and although I predicted that he would become "fat" again, it was still a humorous way to tie up the loose ends.

    4/5 taking into consideration recent episodes

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    1/5

    I can't believe that I am giving the first Homer centered episode this season such a low score.

    The FOX press release that we got made me think that it resembles a fusion of The Trouble with Trillions and The Seven Beer Snitch. That's what it obviously was.

    But it stoops to being really bad. We have a beginning that was really obnoxious. We have a climax that looks like it was quickly pasted together. This episode to me was desperately in need of a subplot with the rest of the family. The use of Fat Tony's cousin was done poorly. Overall, we got only a rehash of what we already had before.

    The couch gag at the beginning was more interesting than the actual episode.
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    What the hell was that? This episode is most definitely the worst this season thus far, and it was yet another example of the cheap writing skills of The Simpsons.

    Of course, as explained above, I thought this episode was a shit-fest. The premise, I’m not going to lie, did sound interesting – but as soon as Fat Tony died, everything was just … it just went on a slippery-slope to the worst depths of your imagination. If I had to pick a favorite moment, and I’m definitely stressing that this is a required part of the review and it’s a ‘gun to my head’ situation, it would be the little jab at “The Wizard of Oz,” with Moe and Homer walking on stage in the middle of a performance. Fat Tony dying completely ruined the episode for me – but it wouldn’t have been completely terrible if the writers hadn’t gone down the cheap route of having ‘Fit’ Tony become the new Fat Tony, that was just damn terrible; I really can’t stress that enough.

    This episode was just a big 'fuck you'. Giving it an F - 1/5.

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    I knew Fat Tony would generate some controversy, but I don't see how it's becoming this episode's punching bag. IMO, it was a necessary element to the plot and I like the way that they "brought him back." It's better than him randomly walking in saying "I'm not dead" like they did with Martin Prince.

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    They didn't have to do that, it would have been better if they killed off Fat Tony and he was still dead. I absolutely hate that in "The Simpsons" plots - if you kill somebody off, you kill somebody off; you don't bring them back at the end of the episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'ohmer View Post
    I knew Fat Tony would generate some controversy, but I don't see how it's becoming this episode's punching bag. IMO, it was a necessary element to the plot and I like the way that they "brought him back." It's better than him randomly walking in saying "I'm not dead" like they did with Martin Prince.
    I disagree. That ending would of been better then the ending we got. To me, it feels like we'll be having Fit Tony the Second, Fit Tony the Third, Fit Tony the Fourth, and 8 kids all named Fit Tony except for one who'll be fat and be called Fat Tony who'll replace the current Fat Tony if most of the Fit Tony's die before they can gain weight and replace Fat Tony.

    To me, this feels like an endless reset button they can use whenever they want Fat Tony to not die. Hell I would of appreciated Fat Tony just dieing, it seems like they have no use for him in the recent episodes in my opinion...
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    they killed off a character whose been in episodes since the third season in such a weird way (heart attack i think? and come on he should've known that was homer), have his cousin who we've never heard of until now come and 'replace' him... why bother killing him off then? it's pointless and it was obviously only to write up another act. i honestly would have liked it better if fat tony came back. killing him off, and having us see a cousin of his we haven't seen in the show before, only for him to enivitably(sp) become the 'new' fat tony, is pointless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Bee Smithers View Post
    They didn't have to do that, it would have been better if they killed off Fat Tony and he was still dead. I absolutely hate that in "The Simpsons" plots - if you kill somebody off, you kill somebody off; you don't bring them back at the end of the episode.
    I can see where you're coming from, but you have to understand that that's taking a pretty big risk. There are some fans out there who would get upset if a character, who's generally well-liked, gets killed off and they can't pretend he's still around.

    Quote Originally Posted by S. Bubbles View Post
    they killed off a character whose been in episodes since the third season in such a weird way (heart attack i think? and come on he should've known that was homer), have his cousin who we've never heard of until now come and 'replace' him... why bother killing him off then? it's pointless and it was obviously only to write up another act. i honestly would have liked it better if fat tony came back. killing him off, and having us see a cousin of his we haven't seen in the show before, only for him to enivitably(sp) become the 'new' fat tony, is pointless
    They did that to create another problem for Homer and to show that even though he was an undercover agent, he was still friends with him. Bringing in Fit Tony was a way to return everything to status quo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View Post
    I digress. That ending would of been better then the ending we got. To me, it feels like we'll be having Fit Tony the Second, Fit Tony the Third, Fit Tony the Fourth, and 8 kids all named Fit Tony except for one who'll be fat and be called Fat Tony who'll replace the current Fat Tony if most of the Fit Tony's die before they can gain weight and replace Fat Tony.

    To me, this feels like an endless reset button they can use whenever they want Fat Tony to not die. Hell I would of appreciated Fat Tony just dieing, it seems like they have no use for him in the recent episodes in my opinion...
    Well, I don't think the writers have any plans for that. I thought this was a clever way to bring him back, at least better than any way I can think of. I also think they have been doing a good job when they can use him, like in tonight's episode, for example.

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    Yeah, but it's upsetting the loyal fans by basically just giving them the finger and saying 'we can do whatever the hell we want.'

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    it's pointless to kill off fat tony and then have fit tony become the new fat tony. seriously. pointless. that's like fat tony never did die. if he never did die, then why couldn't the writers have done something differenly with the plot. what's the point in killing off a character only to technically have him back at the end of the episode? time-filler

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'ohmer View Post
    I knew Fat Tony would generate some controversy, but I don't see how it's becoming this episode's punching bag. IMO, it was a necessary element to the plot and I like the way that they "brought him back." It's better than him randomly walking in saying "I'm not dead" like they did with Martin Prince.
    Martin Prince's return was light years ahead of this tripe.

    Good lord...has the current state of the show become so benign that it's making S19 look good!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'ohmer View Post
    They did that to create another problem for Homer and to show that even though he was an undercover agent, he was still friends with him. Bringing in Fit Tony was a way to return everything to status quo.
    Chief of Hearts from the last season had a similar if not familiar to earlier seasons premise.

    Only change I guess is that his death is added to make sure that the audience realizes that Homer cared for Fat Tony the same way he cared for Chief Wiggum, until Fit Tony becomes Fat Tony.

    Guess I gotta trick my brain into thinking it's funny and unexpected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'ohmer View Post
    Bringing in Fit Tony was a way to return everything to status quo..
    but they didn't need to return to the status quo. why couldn't they have just killed off him without having someone we literally just met replace him, a character we've known for almost 20 seasons. it's pretty much an insult to that character as far as i'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Bee Smithers View Post
    Yeah, but it's upsetting the loyal fans by basically just giving them the finger and saying 'we can do whatever the hell we want.'
    Under the Simpsons stretch of reality, it's really not that unbelievable. I was able to buy into Fat Tony coming back the way that he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by S. Bubbles View Post
    it's pointless to kill off fat tony and then have fit tony become the new fat tony. seriously. pointless. that's like fat tony never did die. if he never did die, then why couldn't the writers have done something differenly with the plot. what's the point in killing off a character only to technically have him back at the end of the episode? time-filler
    I don't find it pointless. Like I said, it added another layer to the plot, which took a pretty good turn (IMO). Homer was upset to see him die, so rather than bringing him back, they did the next best thing and turned someone else into him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Jake View Post
    Martin Prince's return was light years ahead of this tripe.

    Good lord...has the current state of the show become so benign that it's making S19 look good!?
    I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I really don't like that episode. Martin randomly coming back just at the right time with a poor reason for who he survived is, unfortunately, one of my lesser problems with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View Post
    Chief of Hearts from the last season had a similar if not familiar to earlier seasons premise.

    Only change I guess is that his death is added to make sure that the audience realizes that Homer cared for Fat Tony the same way he cared for Chief Wiggum, until Fit Tony becomes Fat Tony.

    Guess I gotta trick my brain into thinking it's funny and unexpected.
    I don't really look into episodes to try to make them out to be ripoffs. Yes, this episode did remind me of Chief of Hearts, but it still felt like a different enough episode to me. I thought they changed it enough to avoid making it feel like reheated leftovers. I think it has a darker tone to that episode and it takes a bigger risk than that episode did.

    Quote Originally Posted by S. Bubbles View Post
    but they didn't need to return to the status quo. why couldn't they have just killed off him without having someone we literally just met replace him, a character we've known for almost 20 seasons. it's pretty much an insult to that character as far as i'm concerned.
    I still think it's better than having him dead and for a character who has been used very well, I was glad to not see that happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'ohmer View Post
    I don't find it pointless. Like I said, it added another layer to the plot, which took a pretty good turn (IMO). Homer was upset to see him die, so rather than bringing him back, they did the next best thing and turned someone else into him.
    If they're going to die, then let them die, if they're going to live, then let them live. They already did this with Snowball 2 and that was an insignificant change in comparison, but this just comes off as those wacky writers thinking they're clever and as someone else said--it's a way to kill time.

    I thought they changed it enough to avoid making it feel like reheated leftovers.
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    he wouldn't even neccesarilly need to have come back. but replacing him is pointless. it never happened. if you watch this episode, pretty much nothing in the last 5-6 minutes happened. 'fat tony' didn't die. which makes me have to ask again: what was the point in him dying if you're going to kill a character, that character is dead. maude flanders has been dead for 11 seasons. mona's been dead for 3. both of these characters are popular and they didn't resort to having a character we just met take over. they're dead. they ain't coming back. so why did they do this for fat tony? yea, homer was sad to see him die, but he was sad to see his mom die, and again, they haven't had her come back. i don't get why you would kill a character, and then have them come back (dr. nick in the movie doesn't count because that was just a quick gag). it's pointless. it's like that didn't happen, so it's just time-filler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Jake View Post
    If they're going to die, then let them die, if they're going to live, then let them live. They already did this with Snowball 2 and that was an insignificant change in comparison, but this just comes off as those wacky writers thinking they're clever and as someone else said--it's a way to kill time.



    Judging from your reviews, you must gorge yourself on reheated leftovers.
    I can see what you mean, but I think that if they can bring them back in a creative way that doesn't suspend our disbelief, I'm in. Like I said, I don't think it's that wacky and I don't think it's too wacky. I also don't think the whole last portion of the episode was just for filler. I think that the writers came up with the idea of killing him off first and then deciding to bring him back in a way that makes us feel like he still is a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S. Bubbles View Post
    he wouldn't even neccesarilly need to have come back. but replacing him is pointless. it never happened. if you watch this episode, pretty much nothing in the last 5-6 minutes happened. 'fat tony' didn't die. which makes me have to ask again: what was the point in him dying if you're going to kill a character, that character is dead. maude flanders has been dead for 11 seasons. mona's been dead for 3. both of these characters are popular and they didn't resort to having a character we just met take over. they're dead. they ain't coming back. so why did they do this for fat tony? yea, homer was sad to see him die, but he was sad to see his mom die, and again, they haven't had her come back. i don't get why you would kill a character, and then have them come back (dr. nick in the movie doesn't count because that was just a quick gag). it's pointless. it's like that didn't happen, so it's just time-filler
    I guess I am bringing personal preference into this, but I do like Fat Tony better than all of the characters that were mentioned. I am going to be repeating itself, but I didn't find it pointless that they brought him back, but rather a way to ease the fans who were worried that they wouldn't make any episodes with him again. He is arguably a bigger character than Maude and Mona.

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    it doesn't matter how much you like a character or how much you dislike or whatever. if you kill a character, they're DEAD. you don't kill a characer and then like 5 minutes later reinvent that character. that makes the killing pointless. seriously. WHY DID THEY KILL HIM. they kill him and then they reinvent him with a new character. why? for plot development? how about instead of that we see more of homer infiltrating fat tony. how about we see fat tony try to get revenge on homer for being a snitch. how about we have a character wake up and have the whole episode be a dream. seriously. i don't really get how you don't see this as being pointless (obviously i get it's your opinion, but still). fat tony was killed in a bad way (seriously, i find it kinda hard to believe he didn't know homer was homer), and to make it worse, he's replaced like 5 minutes in the episode. we've known fat tony for almost 20 seasons and we've known 'fit tony' for 5 minutes? what was the point of us meeting him then. again, for plot development? the choices up top are all better (IMO) than killing off a character and then replacing him so quickly (or hell, replacing him at all)

    we should probably stop though as almost every post now is just us restating the same stuff over and over. guess we have to agree to disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'ohmer View Post
    I can see what you mean, but I think that if they can bring them back in a creative way that doesn't suspend our disbelief, I'm in. Like I said, I don't think it's that wacky and I don't think it's too wacky. I also don't think the whole last portion of the episode was just for filler. I think that the writers came up with the idea of killing him off first and then deciding to bring him back in a way that makes us feel like he still is a character.
    This was not creative and it didn't suspend my disbelief. It's not like the writers tried to suspend my disbelief after Fat Tony was pronounced dead 4 seconds after he hit the ground and no one tried to revive him, or how his cousin had the same head, with the same hairstyle and voice as Fat Tony. My suspension of belief was in full swing by this time as I wondered how something like this episode's resolution was written by professional writers.

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    The only thing this episode had going for it was a handful of good jokes, and other than that everything just wasn't handled correctly. First off, the setup of the situation felt wasted. I know that the show is trying to have fun with itself, but the unjust laws that Homer was getting in trouble for, just weren't funny. I understand the humor they were going for, but I just feel like they could have had Homer end up in prison in a bit more believable way. I know the bribe is what got him there, but it's still executed so weirdly. It's not a big deal though, but without anything to take seriously in the plot, I just find it difficult no matter how hard I try, for me to get into it. This episode however relied on 100% comedy, and honestly with their hit and miss pattern they have in regards to the gags, week after week, it's not the best idea. I mean, here we have Homer locked away for ten years, and the closest thing we get to in seeing the family feel depressed is the prayer at the dinner table, and really only Marge seemed half-way upset. Of course, Bart just jokes around. Yes, I understand this is meant to be more of a gagfest, but I just miss it when Bart is more in the moment. They make him beat his dad over the head with a frying pan like "It's a comedy! Lighten up!" and they treat the plot as if the show is aware of it's own format that everything will return to normal by the end anyway, so why try to make the audience feel anything.

    Instead, they use the plot as a device to grow a bond between Fat Tony and Homer. It's an interesting conflict considering Homer is empathizing with Fat Tony, and at the same time helping the FBI to hunt him down. I enjoyed some of this, and I especially liked Homer's interactions with John Hamm's character. That character was used well, and that was definitely a well-done guest spot with good voice acting IMO.

    Other than that once Fat Tony died, and it went to commercial break, I immediately asked myself the question, "Are they going to kill him off or is it another fake out?" I thought 'fake out' until I remembered we still haven't beein introduced to Fit Tony and then my heart sank. I saw it from a mile away where it was going and it couldn't have been more cheap when Homer himself started explaining it to the audience. It felt like a "Gather around and listen in on our clever way to wrap up this loose end so conveniently- err, I mean resolve this issue..." type of conclusion. What bothers me most about it though, is they could have killed Fat Tony anyway imaginable, but they chose to have him just randomly collapse. No tension. No dramatic build-up or even if they were going in a comedic route, there was absolutely no pay-off from his death. Even if they fixed it so cheaply in the end, it's pathetic that they couldn't even write his death properly. I mean at least with "Principal And The Pauper" they took a direction, wrong or not, and got the most out of it that they could. Even as disliked as the episode with Maude's death was, it's still difficult to forget what happened to her. It's one of the staples of the scully era. Here though, even though Fat Tony's character was returned to form, it is rather forgettable and not even worth it to begin with. At least "Alone Again Natura-diddily" made Maude's death the focus of it's episode. Here, it's just thrown in unfairly for the 4th act to deal with. I'm not saying it has to be worth it or memorable in terms of wackiness though, but that they should have created some lead-up and reasoning behind his death. Yeah, he had a heart attack or whatever, but it's just so random and was such a lousy direction for the plot to take. What did the writers expect the audience to think?

    That said, I still did smile a couple times at some gags, like Marge having a second hand hang-over and the New Years celebrations on the tv causing everyone a headache except Maggie. The FBI guy played by Hamm had some funny lines as well. In the grand scheme of things, the plot while meant to be fun was just lazily written, and the comedy was hit and miss. I'll give this a generous 2/5, just because there's been been alot worse in recent years, including two episodes from this season alone.
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    I think you're being a little too harsh. I don't think killing him off was a bad idea because it actually created a use for Fit Tony and making the plot advance in a way that keeps the audience (at least me) intrested and then finding a way to return everything to status quo doesn't seem pointless for me. I think we're both looking at it from different perspectives. I was just following the plot more, so it seemed reasonable to me, as opposed to looking at the episode with more of an analytical approach. I'm sorry if I'm wrong and there is nothing wrong with that, I simply think that could be a justification as to why we look at it in a different way.

    Also, crazier things have happened in The Simpsons (Bart driving with a fake ID, Lisa passing as a college student, ect.) Fat Tony isn't that involved in Homer's life also. It would be different if it was someone like Moe, but Fat Tony probably has a busy life, so there are a lot of things that makes him probably sort of forget about Homer.

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