This messageboard is like a Klan meeting

[JohnnyDaBull]

So much hate going on here. I literally have to search hours to see something positive on this site. I just don't get it. Why do you have to have every episode after season 8 or 9??? It doesn't make any sense.... Just think about it this is where all the true Simpsons fans come, but you don't like the last 11 or so seasons :/

[The Sovereign]

did you know the Klan's board is like a simpsons meeting?

[Charlie]

It's possible to be a fan even if you only like the first decade's worth of seasons or so. And it's not that people hate EVERYTHING after Seasons 8 or 9, it's more that the episodes changed so much in style and simply weren't as good as they were before. I still find at least a few episodes each season to be enjoyable, as do most people here. In fact many people find Seasons 13 through 16 to be very consistent and pretty decent (I personally like the majority of Season 13 as well as Seasons 15 and 16). But seriously, people complain about the show's quality because it honestly is not as good as it used to be, and seems to be getting worse each season. As a lot of us have watched the show since the classic era was airing, I think it's perfectly reasonable to say whether or not there's been a dip in quality.

[Dark Homer]

the simpsons sucks now, sorry but it's the truth

[Ray Jay Jonah]

Do you really have to adore every moment of a TV show to be a fan?

[Rowdy Roddy Peeper]

I do agree that the board seems to be a bit more morbid as late (Lots of threads about when the show will end etc.) but I also agree the show ain't what she used to be...much like the old gray mare.

[The Governor]

So much hate going on here. I literally have to search hours to see something positive on this site. I just don't get it. Why do you have to have every episode after season 8 or 9??? It doesn't make any sense.... Just think about it this is where all the true Simpsons fans come, but you don't like the last 11 or so seasons :/

Go look at the episode reviews. Most of the stuff you think we ALL hate still recieves 3/5-5/5 votes.

[Gran2]

So much hate going on here. I literally have to search hours to see something positive on this site. I just don't get it. Why do you have to have every episode after season 8 or 9??? It doesn't make any sense.... Just think about it this is where all the true Simpsons fans come, but you don't like the last 11 or so seasons :/

That's a pretty illogical argument, and yet I've heard it twice in one week (the other time was about Star Wars).

Lapping up everything produced by a series you like doesn't make you a "true fan", it makes you a mindless sheep. I mean, let me put it this way. I like chicken, but if I eat some seriously undercooked chicken, I'm not going to say "Well that chicken made my throw up all night, but I still loved it just because I really love chicken." That would make no sense.

And do you think I want to hate what the show has become? As amazing as it sounds I'd actually rather watch a great episode than complain about how bad it is. And as Charlie said, most fans, myself included, like a couple of episodes each season.

[Rowdy Roddy Peeper]

Hey! Now he's ragging on klan meetings! Let's get him!

[Mt. Doom]

[merzitar]

I know how you feel, JohnnyDaBull. There doesn't seem to be that many people who like the newer seasons.

the simpsons sucks now, sorry but it's the truth

I'm sorry, but as always, I have to disagree with you. I think that The Simpsons is still as great as it ever has been. Yes, the humor has changed quite a bit over the years, but I think that it just keeps it from going stale. Yes, I do admit that I like Seasons 1 - 10 the most, but I just feel that The Simpsons is still a quality show, and is still the best thing on TV.

[Monty Burns]

I think that The Simpsons is still as great as it ever has been. Yes, the humor has changed quite a bit over the years, but I think that it just keeps it from going stale. Yes, I do admit that I like Seasons 1 - 10 the most, but I just feel that The Simpsons is still a quality show, and is still the best thing on TV.

The funny thing is, it HAS become stale. I can barely remember an episode from Series 16-21 where I laughed more than once in 5 minutes. Even after repeated showings, I'm sure episodes such as Krusty Gets Kancelled, Homer and Apu, and The 138th Episode Spectacular can still keep me laughing and chuckling at every joke.

"How much is this penny candy? Surprisingly expensive!" - the thoughts of some people about the BBC's licence fee, from what gets shown on there.

[merzitar]

LOL, I agree with you about the BBC. They're getting worse and worse.
Anyway, I still don't think that it has gotten stale. Obviously I respect your opinion, but I still laugh out loud frequently while watching new episodes. Although, yes, I do tend to laugh harder and more at older episodes. It doesn't mean to say that the newer episodes are crap though. Also, the reason I prefer Seasons 1 - 10 is because they had a strong impact on my childhood. I watched them so much as a kid, and they just bring many many memories. The newer episodes don't have the same feel to me, but I still find them hilarious.

[Bombadil]

I don't think the producers care much whether you like the episodes or not, as long as you watch them anyway. Like writers don't care whether you like their book or not. They don't care if you throw a copy of their book into a bonfire, as long as you buy it first.

[Rowdy Roddy Peeper]

Like writers don't care whether you like their book or not. They don't care if you throw a copy of their book into a bonfire, as long as you buy it first.

I don't think that's fair to say about all writers. I'm a writer myself, and if somebody didn't like a show i created, I would like to know why and would welcome constructive criticism. I honestly feel if the writers of The Simpsons would wad through the crap on this board, they would reach quite a lot of constructive criticism which would help the show become a better show again (realistic plots, grounded characterization, less random celebs etc.).

[Bombadil]

,,, I honestly feel in the writers of The Simpsons would wad through the crap on this board, they would reach quite a lot of constructive criticism which would help the show become a better show again ....

I firmly believe a lot of good stuff is being written, but is not making onto the show. I think a lot of the more cutting edge stuff is being pruned out of episodes. The producers have their demographic, and they don't want to "offend" any of them. Sad really, as that is what made the early years a bit more fun, as they had less to lose if people were offended.

[Rowdy Roddy Peeper]

I firmly believe a lot of good stuff is being written, but is not making onto the show. I think a lot of the more cutting edge stuff is being pruned out of episodes. The producers have their demographic, and they don't want to "offend" any of them.

I don't even think one of the biggest reasons the show isn't what it used to be, is because the show isn't 'cutting edge' enough. In fact what the writers consider 'cutting edge', is usually the stuff i hate the most. Making Marge and Ned almost have an elicit sexual affair in 'The Devil Wears Nada' was awful. It wasn't cutting edge, it just showed how much respect the writers had for the 20 years of characterization. Lines about Homer masturbating which are supposed to be funny or Bart trying to make his parents have sex? What? Why? Just because it's rude doesn't make it funny or cutting edge. Look. Boner. Boner. Boner way. Is that funny? According to the writers of the show atm, it is. I think my main problem with the show now is for 9 years they established every single rule, character and situation in the show. The audience knew how a certain character would react to any situation, because we adored these characters. And when the characters start doing things that they didn't used to do, the audience begins to reject it. Even if the writers came up with a fantastic witty tremendously written one liner, if it wasn't believable that the character would say it, then it wouldn't be funny.

It's all about character.

[merzitar]

I agree with you, Rowdy Roddy Peeper.
It makes me really angry when people think that somethings funny just becuase it's dirty. I will admit, that I do think The Simpsons has too many dirty jokes in the newer episodes. The worst is where Bart is trying to make Marge and Homer have sex, and tries taking away Marge's pills. It does seem very out of character for Bart.

[Bombadil]

... In fact what the writers consider 'cutting edge', is usually the stuff i hate the most... Even if the writers came up with a fantastic witty tremendously written one liner, if it wasn't believable that the character would say it, then it wouldn't be funny.
It's all about character.

I don't know........ Cutting edge is why I love Family Guy so much, and illustrates my point. Seth MacFarlane doesn't give a shit who gets offended, and that attitude really works. Two examples are the "Prom Night Dumpster Babies" scene, and the entire episode that has Chris dating the Down Syndrome girl. Both could be considered extremely offensive, but they were hilarious. And when Palin got pissy, I shit myself laughing again (it's like a joke that keeps on giving).

The Simpsons seems to be more like a dynasty these days. Holding their ground and not going on the offensive.

[merzitar]

To be honest, the reason I hate Family Guy is becuase they don't know when to stop. I am not usually offended by much, but I do find Family Guy offensive. They also tend to steal jokes from The Simpsons and make them dirtier and stupider. Just my opinion, though.

[Rowdy Roddy Peeper]

I don't know........ Cutting edge is why I love Family Guy so much, and illustrates my point. Seth MacFarlane doesn't give a shit who gets offended, and that attitude really works. Two examples are the "Prom Night Dumpster Babies" scene, and the entire episode that has Chris dating the Down Syndrome girl. Both could be considered extremely offensive, but they were hilarious. And when Palin got pissy, I shit myself laughing again (it's like a joke that keeps on giving).

The Simpsons seems to be more like a dynasty these days. Holding their ground and not going on the offensive.

But surely you'd respect that The Simpsons is cleverer than that. This is a show which references Ernest Hemmingway and Fermat's last theorem. The Simpsons shouldn't really appeal to an audience who just want jokes and don't care about story. Go watch any of Seth's shows for that. Sure they can be funny, but has any episode of Family Guy made you ever care for Peter or Meg, like The Simpsons has made it's audience care for Homer and Lisa?

The Simpsons doesn't need to resort to the 'shock factor'. "OMG?!!? did Homer just say he masturbates?! ROFLMAO! That is too far man! LOLZ"

No.

[Bombadil]

I'm sorry, but I find this incredibly funny, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRj-S8Aklcw

[Rowdy Roddy Peeper]

I'm sorry, but I find this incredibly funny, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRj-S8Aklcw

Really? I mean it's alright, but it goes on for far too long, gets a bit boring. Cut it after 30 seconds. It didn't offend me in the slightest, it just wasn't incredibly funny. Also, Family Guy can get away with these absurd cartoonish 90 second cutaways because it's always been a part of their show. They've always had ridiculously long cutaways and they've always been partial to 'offensive' comedy. That's fine. I have no problem with that. I'd just hate to see The Simpsons which is better than that, throw 20 years of characterization away just to try and attempt to do them jokes too. Family Guy is very cartoony, remember The Simpsons never used to feel too much like a cartoon because you felt empathy with the characters.

[Bombadil]

...Sure they can be funny, but has any episode of Family Guy made you ever care for Peter or Meg, like The Simpsons has made it's audience care for Homer and Lisa?

Actually, I find them to be cartoons, and I really don't "care" about any of them, except that they can make me laugh. Which gets back to the point of this thread, which is why people are bagging on the later episodes. I still find OFF funny. Funnier, in fact, than entire networks. I'd rather see the worst episode of the Simpsons season 19 than any show on Lifetime, MTV, CMT, FNC, Bravo, etc., etc..

98% of what is on TV is utter crap, which allows even lessor efforts from the Simpsons to float to the top.

[merzitar]

The Simpsons still doesn't feel like a cartoon to me, and I don't think it ever will. I just can't see myself ever disliking The Simpsons.

[JohnnyDaBull]

I appreciate all the feedback, and I do agree to some degree. Some of the newer episodes are not worth watching thats true. However, there are still some great eps like the one where Homer and Chief Wiggum become friends and when Mr. Burns goes to jail. I still think the total amount of eps I don't like watching of this show is less than 35.

[merzitar]

I appreciate all the feedback, and I do agree to some degree. Some of the newer episodes are not worth watching thats true. However, there are still some great eps like the one where Homer and Chief Wiggum become friends and when Mr. Burns goes to jail. I still think the total amount of eps I don't like watching of this show is less than 35.

I'm glad that there are still some people who enjoy the newer episodes. To be honest, I can only think of one episode I would rate below 3, and that is "Oh Brother, Where Bart Thou?" at a 2.5/5. Although I only saw it once, so I might like it more the second time.

[lionelhutz123]

So whatever show I become a fan of, the staff of that said tv show can continue to release episodes and no matter what they do with them, I'll love them because I'm a fan of the show and every episode is to my liking? That's a nice dream.

I don't know........ Cutting edge is why I love Family Guy so much, and illustrates my point. Seth MacFarlane doesn't give a shit who gets offended, and that attitude really works. Two examples are the "Prom Night Dumpster Babies" scene, and the entire episode that has Chris dating the Down Syndrome girl. Both could be considered extremely offensive, but they were hilarious. And when Palin got pissy, I shit myself laughing again (it's like a joke that keeps on giving).

The Simpsons seems to be more like a dynasty these days. Holding their ground and not going on the offensive.

The difference between shows like Family Guy and shows like The Simpsons:

The Simpsons was a show that originally was an adult program. It was the first animated show to go on primetime with the other adult programs, since like the Flinstones or something like that. It was cutting edge solely because it tried to be an adult program and succeeded at that to become one of the best and most funniest shows on tv. One of the best shows in the history of primetime was a cartoon. It made every ignorant person who said cartoons are for kids turn their heads. It didn't try to shock you with the kind of controversy that Family Guy and better yet, South Park has stirred up. At the same time, without trying it still was considered controversial by tightly-wound parents, George Bush, New Orleans, etc., but you didn't have to find the controversy funny in order to appreciate the show. Honestly if I had to appreciate the latest south park episode for upsetting an entire country or Seinfeld for creating an episode that was based around seeing how long you can go without masturbating, I would pick Seinfeld. They never once say the word 'masturbation' throughout the episode, and the whole thing was written so brilliantly that it's one of the most subtle masterpieces to ever grace across the airwaves.
The Simpsons shocked you with subtlety as well. Every dirty joke in the classic era was written so intelligently, that you can basically have your kids in the same room with you, and it would fly over their heads like 'snuggling' or the orgasm joke from "Brother From The Same Planet". Sure, there was violence and disturbing humor in Itchy and Scratchy and treehouse of horror, but it always took a backseat to the plot and characters. Family Guy sacrifices the dignity and characterization of their characters just so Meg can be a punching bag or have all the characters vomit all over the place. It tries too hard to shock you. The Simpsons was so grounded, yet was always able to pull off the craziest things because the plot naturally allowed it to. It was an adult program that reached out to viewers of all ages, whereas today it's a kid's program that has some gross-out and perverted gags that are executed in the most forced, lame manner.

[merzitar]

So whatever show I become a fan of, the staff of that said tv show can continue to release episodes and no matter what they do with them, I'll love them because I'm a fan of the show and every episode is to my liking? That's a nice dream.

Well, the way I look at it is that I enjoy every episode that I have seen, and I have seen most of them - If they've managed to create 21 seasons of episodes that I love and adore, then I can't see myself disliking it in the future.

[TheForbiddenDonut]

there should be more posts pointing out what an idiot the thread-starter is