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Thread: Rate/Review KotH: "Lucky See, Monkey Do"



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    Rate/Review KotH: "Lucky See, Monkey Do"

    After more than two years, Luanne is finally showing, and Lucky's sister seems to have all the advice. Rate/review this milestone episode here!
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    I thought it was smart of them to have Luanne not showing and then just have her deliver the baby in this episode. Keep in mind that tonight's episode was the official start of the production season. The previous episodes this season were holdovers, so this one (chronologically speaking) should have taken place months after the last episode aired. The birth of the baby, and the birth of KOTH in HD. I'm surprised they even put Buckley in the opening credits again, but I guess the goal was to keep it as similar as possible.

    The episode itself was very very solid and character-driven. The Bill subplot was unnecessary though, and do drive-thrus actually use call centers these days? I've never heard of that before. I took one point off my score for that, but KOTH always does a good job showing the ridiculous side of modern progressive culture, and this episode was very much in that spirit. Above all, the episode was genuinely touching and I thought Luanne's characterization was dead on. I don't think we've seen Luanne depicted in such a realistic dignified way since the second or third season of the show.

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    this is the first time i've seen king of the hill in about three seasons. partially due to the time slot, but also due to what i perceived as an overall decline quality of the show over the years. i felt that mike judge had sacrificed genuine satire in favor of advancing a tired moralist philosophy; or, at the very least, an attack on moral relativity.

    the sole reason i watched king of the hill tonight was because it was in hd and it was pleasantly surprised. sure it had the typical king of the hill message of "progressive liberals bad; conservative values good" by making lucky's sister so detestable and crazy.

    it was entertaining though. i'll watch next week.

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    4/5

    enjoyable

    Bill subplot started out promising and then got WAYYY worse and unneeded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post

    the sole reason i watched king of the hill tonight was because it was in hd and it was pleasantly surprised. sure it had the typical king of the hill message of "progressive liberals bad; conservative values good" by making lucky's sister so detestable and cray.
    They did do that, but at the same time, they didn't paint the prettiest picture of Peggy either. I liked the overall message of parenting being best guided by the love of the parent themself and not by copying verbatim the practices of others to a T. I think they did a good job skewering progressive liberals this time through the extremity of the progressive nursery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomacco View Post
    The Bill subplot was unnecessary though, and do drive-thrus actually use call centers these days? I've never heard of that before. I took one point off my score for that
    Not all chains do it, but it is something some are experimenting with. I forget where I saw it, maybe on a CNBC show, but they were showing inside with one of these call centers hundreds of miles away where they would take and input orders into the system for several fast food joints. It was Wendy's I believe.

    As for the episode, it was a solid episode, 4/5. Lucky's sister being unlike Lucky and his usual friends was a nice surprise as well as Luanne's development toward the end showing her becoming more mature and able to take care of herself. I really hope another network will give life to KoTH as the show could really have some good seasons left in the tank if they progress the story (Bobby turning 14, Luanne as a mother, etc.)

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    The show also looked pretty beautiful.

    Thought it was a pretty good episode, though I can't give it the full points due to following a typical KotH formula... basically what Cole said, though I do agree with Tomacco that it was more even-handed (what with Peggy being unaware of better methods and Myrna's ways being totally soulless, which is not a good thing for a child) and had a more personal message to it, but still, some of the warring between Peggy and Myrna was a little irritating due to this.

    The character stuff, especially Luanne's own growth, did a pretty good job overriding a lot of this. Luanne really did shine through in this one and I loved her for it. There could really be some good episodes coming off from this, if only the show didn't get itself axed... But ah well. That final shot was pretty sweet.

    And Hank had some great one liners in this one. A high 4/5.

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    I agree with the general sentiment here--a very solid showing, marred only by some slightly formulaic stuff. I did agree with the show's general sentiment, though, and I loved seeing the development between Peggy and Luanne as well. I've been enjoying these recent change-the-status-quo episodes a lot (from Luanne's wedding to Cotton's death to Ladybird's deafness and now this), and I'm glad Luanne finally gave birth to her child.

    The humor was good too. Hank's line about Goofus was classic Hank and one of the biggest laughs I've gotten out the show recently. Bill's subplot had a solid premise but sort of petered out.

    Nice showing, and probably best of the KOTH season. B+

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    I liked how Hank didn't play the voice of reason in this episode either, instead having it ultimately be Luanne (the most unlikely source of reason). Hank's motives were more simultaneously selfish and caring, wanting Luanne to stop relying on him and Peggy for help and wanting her to think for herself. This is reminiscent of Hank's behavior towards her in early episodes, and his admittance to all the "asinine things Bobby does" also took me back to the 'boy ain't right' days. I just thought the episode did a good job melding the show's history together and really showed how strong and consistent the show really has been in its 13 years.

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    I found this episode pretty enjoyable. It was certainly about time that Luanne had her baby. Luanne was pretty solid throughout.

    I really liked the story, Lucky's sister, etc.. The subplot with Bill had potential, but unforunately went no where. Not sure why they couldnt think of a more clever solution than Bill finding out it was a 17 y/o and leaving.

    The call center thing is certainly based in fact. Its not something widespread, but it is being experimented with. Over time I think most drive thrus will be outsourced to India, overseas, etc..
    But, what was hard to believe is that everytime Bill went to the drive-thru, it was the same lady. (as he traveled the country, it was still her). Although I guess they could have explained that by saying she knew he would be at that location, so she routed her calls there for that day..but they didnt.

    I also liked Hank in this episode.. Bobby on the other hand was a little empty (kind of like a mini-Hank - except for Hank's assinine comment) When they entered the birthing center he made a comment about the man. In the early days Bobby was 180* different than Hank. Peggy was about 50/50. Not great, not terrible. Didnt care for her comments about strong narcotics. (the old Peggy would have eluded to a self-boasting comment about how she essentially created and delivered Bobby herself)

    I'm really excited about The Goode Family! I love the story ideas Judge and the exec's come up with. Just dont have quite enough humor with KOTH. Hopefully the new show can have a little more humor and more interesting characters (which Im guessing it will).

    Edit: Regarding the animation. It looked great! I was never a fan of the new CG used in the last few seasons or so. It really seemed bland and lifeless..and the characters looked too bright.
    Looked good in this ep.
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    "I tell ya, this Goofus is a dumbass."

    Luanne is the one character that has progressively changed since the series' beginning. Can you believe that she was a teenage beauty school student 12 years ago?

    So now, she's preparing to be a mother, and naturally, everyboday has their own ideas of how a new baby should be born and raised.

    Thankfully, they didn't overdo Lucky's sister's one-time appearance, or the "progressive liberal evil" schtick. I was also glad how Hank fessed up on how the traditionalist parenting methods don't have all the answers either. Despite that, Bobby was about the same here as he's been lately; more of a prop character.

    It is with the note of Luanne's development over the years that the main message, allowing her to make her own parental choices was an appropriate one.

    It turned out to be a fairly exciting episode, and much stronger than the present-day offering. I think the only reason they postponed Lu's baby bump for so long was to avoid any chronological errors, like what happened when her hair was being restored throughout Season 3.

    As for the sub-plot, it had a chilling message of what American labor is coming to. But having it tacked on to a long-coming episode was terribly unnecessary.

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    Getting off topic for a moment, how many KoTH episodes do we have left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolver View Post
    Getting off topic for a moment, how many KoTH episodes do we have left?
    I'm assuming a whole season's worth. This episode was 01 in the season's production code. I'm just not sure how many episodes were initially ordered for this final season. Based on the scripts gathered on wikipedia though, we have at least 15 left. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lays.2Fscripts

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    I have no problem with Bill's subplot. And for all the years this show has been on it's not just some rehashed story like The Simpsons have been for the past few years. For a serious subject like this one, I'm glad they didn't make it overly funny which could have ruined the episode. It was just right.

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