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    Rate/Review KOTH: "Straight as an Arrow"

    The last episode of 2008, I believe.

    When Bobby decides to become a member of the Order of the Straight Arrow, a boys' outdoor group, Hank decides to get involved as well. But when he bumps heads with the Arrowmaster, who happens to be a new resident of Arlen, this stirs up trouble with Peggy, who has volunteered to serve as the Welcome Wagon representative for the town.
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    When Hank met Ned Flanders.

    Barring the fact they already had a boy scout episode way back in Season 1, a little less predictable than the usual where Hank battles a dingbat or whomever, but nothing significantly entertaining.

    2.5/5

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    Not too sure about this episode. I was pretty much on board through the first act, but I'm not really sure what the moral of this story was.

    I dunno, I'm lost because at first there's a definite lean towards Hank's side that the safe version of Straight Arrow is lame and won't teach the kids or give them as much fun. Hank is mad that the new scoutleader's babying ways are rubbing off on Bobby, so he takes action. Hank shows the kids the REAL Straight Arrow experience, but then danger does strike and two kids get lost, so is Hank wrong now? The new scoutleader lectures him on being a negative influence on his kids and causing them to get lost. So, now this is the reverse of Hank's situation earlier, and Hank is now a hypocrite. So is the message that people shouldn't impose their lessons on other people's kids? If so, is the show saying that childrens groups are bad since you leave your kid under the guidance of someone who might not be teaching them right? Are they taking the new safe scoutmaster's side? So, what's the middle ground here?

    All I saw was two guys who failed to set out a plan or communicate properly before re-starting the Straight Arrow in Arlen, and therefore ended disagreeing on what the club should be like while it already started.

    I just don't know what to take from all this, and I don't think it worked in context with season 1's Straight Arrow episode where Hank was enforcing a fake hunt, which seems like something he'd oppose here.

    Also, I can't stand when Hank, Peggy or anybody is teaching kids corny moral lessons and the kids are all smiling and happy to learn. It's like a freaking after-school special. This is also why "I Never Promised You an Organic Garden" is probably my most hated KOTH episode ever, since that was how the whole episode was. The show needs to get its edge back sometimes I think.

    By the way, the Luanne & Lucky storyline went too far for my taste. I don't care to see them go around town threatening people into giving them gifts, or simply better gifts than what they received. It's really off-putting... unless this shift in morals for them is a sign of some kind of downward spiral coming for the couple, which would be strange.

    I dunno. Despite all that, there were some funny moments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomacco View Post
    By the way, the Luanne & Lucky storyline went too far for my taste. I don't care to see them go around town threatening people into giving them gifts, or simply better gifts than what they received. It's really off-putting... unless this shift in morals for them is a sign of some kind of downward spiral coming for the couple, which would be strange.
    Peggy's nightmare is coming true.

    As for the main plot, it just goes into the general problem with any Bobby story they do today, where the kids are given no personality. Particularly with Bobby himself, the same kid who was once heartbroken when he almost missed out on a deer hunt; how now are we expected to believe that he will learn anything new when he just resumes being lazy by the next episode?

    It seemed the original challenge was for Bobby to learn the facts of life while not growing up too fast. But now, regardless of what lesson he might learn in one episode, his life seems to be on permanent reset.

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    Yeah, it was okay.

    Like Tomacco, I was confused on what point, exactly, the episode was trying to make... I did like that Hank wasn't completely right in the end, and the guy having some actual reasons for sheltering some of his kids was great, but that really doesn't explain the treatment of the rest of the kids and...

    ... Yeah, the kids really don't have much in the way of personality nowadays, and it's getting irritating. The show's leanings are... It's not as realistic in these means anymore and it's just not as fun to watch. I can't even recall many good jokes from this one, either... or any at all really.

    Mmmmmeh.

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    I agree with Tomacco's sentiments about mixed messages and Semaj's about the kids lacking personality nowadays. Too frequently, the characters seem watered-down, content to stay in fairly predictable roles (Hank doing the right thing and usually pulling through, Bobby in over his head in a situation that he's handling the wrong way, etc). It's nice that the show hasn't gotten ridiculous, but I feel it's sticking too closely to its guns. Some of the best recent episodes have loosened the reigns a bit and let the decent people of Arlen get into some rather outlandish situations (Train of Fools, Blake McCormick Project).

    Sticking to the tried and true will only get them so far, but on the plus side, it does prevent the show from ever truly getting bad. The mixed messages of the plot hurt it a bit, but there was some good humor and Peggy was pretty funny tonight too.

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    I agree that the show does stick to it's guns a little too much sometimes, but I see why. When the episode of A Bill Full Of Dollars was shown, people couldn't understand why Peggy, Minh, and Dale were hanging out. It's a little bit of a strech and yet people can't handle it. I really feel as if some shows are held back creatively by the fans.

    As for this episode. It wasn't great but it had a lot of good jokes. And I like that if the random writers of KOTH are going to re-use story lines they don't completly ruin the history of the show, like the Simpsons have quite a few times.

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    5/5 .. I found this episode oddly riveting. Held my attention good!


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    The story didn't bother me all that much. I actually kind of liked the twist at the end. Showing that Hank can be wrong/make mistakes sometimes. Not everything is such a perfectly clear black and white issue.
    Atleast it was something slightly different (versus the last 30-40 episodes - where Hank is essentially God and never makes a mistake)

    I liked the recall to the first season episode. KOTH writers are pretty good about maintaining continuity. They're not perfect, but not too bad. (Peggy's Mom, among a few other minor things only nerds like me would notice)

    The Luanne / Lucky story was incredibly boring and pointless.

    Pretty standard for the last couple seasons. 2/5
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    Hank being wrong is fine (in fact, seeing Hank struggle with things he feels are right is something I want to see more of), but I felt that the episode itself didn't really know what it was trying to say. If it was trying to paint both sides of the issue of parenting and how much freedom kids should have, it came across as a little unclear and not as in-depth as it could've been. I do like the premise of this episode, but I feel they could've taken it further in both directions (safe and boring vs. risky and memorable child-raising).

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    Maybe the point was just something like everyone has reasons for what they do no matter what lame shit they are doing but what works for you and your kids will not necessarily work for others so don't...uh...force it just because--you know what, I dunno, I'm pulling it out of my ass, it was just a mediocre episode and I liked the little twist at the end and I had a point of time where I didn't mind Lucky but now I'm tired of seeing him again.

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