Well-executed but relies too much on Bart being one-dimensional. 4/5.
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Well-executed but relies too much on Bart being one-dimensional. 4/5.
Personally I think this episode is overrated, much like 24 Minutes. It's not a horrible episode by any means, but it would have a long way to go to be considered a great episode. I'm torn between a 2/5 and 3/5, but I'll be nice and go with the latter.
meh nothing with much substance. It was executed really well, with the Irish music, stylistic storyboarding and a not really distracting subplot.
I didn't like the heater vs. airconditioning joke, and then the tornado that followed.
I didn't like Donny's character either, especially because of his deep voice.
I liked the joke: "is it because of your stupid accent?"
Very overrated. Feels just like Little Big Girl
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This episode just doesn't sit well with me anymore and perhaps never really did. I think it's good for the season it came from (not saying much), but I find Bart's character as unsettling. It's not shit terrible like his moments from "Million Dollar Maybe", "How Munched", or "Love Is A Many Strangled Thing" but it still feels odd. I don't like how he's smug and acts extra cool in front of Donny. Donny is an annoying character as well. The scenes between him and Bart feel so awkward and forced. It doesn't help that Topher Grace is just reading his lines into the mic with his regular voice as if he's got a plane to catch.
The whole "prank organization" premise feels contrived and tacky. I understand the joke of it is that it's supposed to be cute that these kids are running mischief throughout the school with meetings in their treehouse but it just feels so serious as if it's an obligation to pull pranks. I like it better when it's free, occasional fun without worrying about a chess match with Skinner/Chalmers. I mean Skinner and Chalmers getting a kid to get on the "inside" of the Bart Simpson organization? It's a good idea on paper, but it doesn't feel subtle at all. I know Skinner has always served as an antagonist to Bart, but this was just creepy how secretive and successful he was almost like he has nothing else going for him. The fact that he went to all this trouble just to mess with Bart felt too cartoon cat and mouse.
I mean, I don't mind when you take a small feature from a character and build a plot to focus on that one feature, but you need to still establish that there's more to the character than that one feature. This episode acts like Bart Simpson = prankster and otherwise this would have worked, but they had to make him come off like a smug master who gets fooled, where all his other qualities are ignored for the sake of the plot. It's not believable to me that he couldn't figure out why his pranks were being foiled.
I don't mind that they were backfiring, but how the Departed parody forced him to not realize what was going on, because they were trying to work the commentary of how obvious the movie was to the audience or whatever. By doing this, it just made everything come off as unlikable. It's another example of another notion of unnecessary commentary being forced into an episode. If it wasn't for them trying to write around that premise I feel like he would have made the connection easily and not mistake Milhouse for the initial rat or at least they could set it up where even we wouldn't know what was going on. He may not exactly be book smart, but he was always known as a very quick kid when it came to mysteries or "on the spot" situations.
As for the subplot, it's alright, but I could do without those lame jokes like the mini-tornado "father/son" moment, or Lisa kicking Bart for like a full minute being the thing that causes the car to crash. The music also bugged me too. "Shipping Up To Boston" again makes the Bart plot seem cooler than it really is. The music when Homer and Marge are sharing a romantic moment feels out of place as well. They should have just used a stock score. Now I'm just getting nitpicky but it's little things like this that inevitably takes a toll too. I can enjoy this episode for what it is somewhat, but honestly it's been bugging me for a while that for some reason I don't care for it and I needed to analyze it in order to discover WHY. Other than that, it has it's moments. It's not terrible, but is definitely more flawed than people care to realize IMO.
Last edited by lionelhutz123; 07-07-2011 at 03:59 PM.
I think that this is a very strong episode in most parts. Donny is a unique character, and the main plot is nice with a great twist at the end. The thing that I don't like much is the subplot, particularly the end. Homer gets really annoying when calling the salesman an idiot and all that, but what really bothers me is the end when he sees his car being put up for sale for $99, and he immediately buys it back. Think about that. He's been ranting and raving about how great this new car is, and wants to keep it so badly. So when he sees his old car is for sale, he should be happy, right? After all, this means he gets to keep the new car. But no, he stupidly buys his old car back, even though he has a much better one. The Canine Mutiny did something similar to this, but a dog and a car are quite different.
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For someone who's ONLY interest is the simpsons, you barely have any grasp on what this show's themes or messages are. Just like "Seperate Vocations", you fail to understand or detect the deeper message that underlies within the plot. Who cares about the luxury of the new car? NOSTALGIA and the fact that the pink sedan is basically an ICONIC CHARACTER to the entire series itself is what appeals to Homer. The sight of seeing all of what that's worth, simply being sold for $99 so that some hillbillies can perform perverted actions towards it, is what appeals to him to regain interest in it. It's really not that hard to figure out especially when dissecting a season 19 episode is like popping a balloon.
Last edited by lionelhutz123; 07-07-2011 at 04:20 PM.
It's pretty hard for a person with Asperger's to understand the deeper meanings of things. However, I did understand the deeper meaning of this one; it just felt like he suddenly abandoned the car he so loves for his older one. You'd think that it would be at least a slight struggle for Homer to give up the car.
S19 has no 'deeper' meaning, so what is the problem?
Well, ya'know if you stay positive and forget about trivial things like "proper characterization," "Satire," and "emotional depth" watching new Simpsons episodes can be a seemingly enjoyable lie.
Two eyes, two ears, a chin, a mouth, ten fingers, two nipples, a butt, two kneecaps, a penis. I've just described to you the Loch Ness Monster. And the reward for its capture? All the riches in Scotland. So I have one question: why are you here?
And I don't mean "ONLY" literally^, but the point still stands.
I agree about how abrupt Homer changes his mind, but Financial Panther doesn't seem to even try to understand anything past what appears on the surface. If he had any perspective he would know that there is more than what meets the eye.
EDIT: Oh, aspergers.
There's a reasonable likelihood I've read parts of that book before, although you should be aware that there's as much bullshit out there (from such literature) as there is actual legitimate information.
I mean, of course there's going to be varying levels of severity and symptoms and whatnot, which is partially what I'm getting at. The ability to understand specific things - metaphor, sarcasm, etc - can often be impaired, to varying degrees. But it doesn't literally mean that a person with Asperger's can't understand such things or make an effort to, and it certainly doesn't mean that we can't understand character motivations and themes in a cartoon that is specifically designed to make those things clear to the audience.
All I ask is that you don't stereotype yourself or us. We're stereotyped badly enough by news broadcasts and Boston Legal and Law and Order and fucking Grey's Anatomy. We don't need to make it worse by stereotyping ourselves, too.
- Jerkass Bart
- Absolutely stupid B-plot
- Awful Departed parody
Overall: Second worst episode ever.
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^ You're kidding?
Out of all the terrible episodes, this one is the second worst? Not that it's my business but yeah, second worst? Really?
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Great episode. Haven't seen it in a while. 4/5
It wasn't good, it wasn't terrible. Topher Grace sounded way too old for his age and the snitch thing seemed really underdeveloped. 3/5 (C+)
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Great episode, did not quite get why they added the ending with Ralph. 5/5
A lot of the moments in this episode are the typical modern, reality-bending moments that leave me wondering what the hell that was (for example, the tornado in the car, the candles and champagne in the car, donating directly to NPR from the car, the diet coke and mentos reaction in the cup, Homer talking about when he and Bart first met, etc.). The number of such occurrences in this episode really cheapens it. And I don't usually notice the quality of the voice acting, but Topher Grace's performance was lacking something (I'm not sure what it was, though; maybe it just wasn't very good). On the other hand, I like the premise and, aside from what I mentioned, it wasn't done that badly. The subplot would have been much better if the car was actually something that existed. 4/10
Fun and enjoyable through. 3.5/5
This is one of the best uses of a one-timer I've seen on this show. Donnie was a very interesting character with a back story that justifies his actions in the episode. The plot was deeper and darker than I would have expected, Bart was totally in character showing both his prankster side and his soft side. Of course, there were also many funny moments, like the montage of Bart's pranks failing, the storm in the car, and the sex noises. I originally voted 4/5 when this episode aired, but now I think it deserves a 5/5.
Instantly forgettable. It's only since I started reading this forum that I've paid attention to the quality of the voice work but Topher Grace's voice was boring. 1/5.
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