willie hears ya. willie don't careOriginally Posted by Reservoir Dog
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willie hears ya. willie don't careOriginally Posted by Reservoir Dog
Not bad at all. Was that the judge from Kickin' It in Homer Vs New York?
So if the uncut version had a normal opening, then was Declan's intro moved to the start of act one? Cuz I liked it as the episode's intro w/ the “created/developed by” credits over the shot of the playground. Enhanced the uniqueness of the whole episode.Originally Posted by Tomacco
That was an outstanding episode. It's quite late right now (and I'm equally late to the thread), so I'll keep it brief. This episode was unique, almost entirely character-based, and consistently funny (moments of humor I loved that haven't been mentioned much are Homer's looking at the "camera," his job as an open-casket caricature artist, and the dozens die in typing accident headline). The voice acting, pacing, and use of secondaries ranged from good to great. I truly felt that the episode didn't have any of the recent problems of S17 and 18--no overly-long gags, no sporadic, unfocused storyline, no generic plot contrivances, and no awful gags! The idea itself was excellent, and it was presented in a memorable way, making for a real fan-pleaser.
The only minor complaints I have are that I'd like to see more of the first act vignettes in the latter half, and...well, that's pretty much it. Maybe one or two gags didn't hit the mark, but whatever. Springfield Up was an original, compelling, memorable, funny, clever, fresh, and smartly-written show that had an outstanding use of comedic timing and atmosphere. There's no doubt that this'll be S18's Emmy nominee.
Up there with Moe Baby Blues and The Way We Weren't as one of the all-time best Jean episodes.
Care to clarify?Originally Posted by caramelbart
Lou has some incredible hair going there.
Oh, and some minor...minor trivia stuff. Stuff about ages. Lenny, Carl, Wiggum, and Homer are sort of around the same age. Its kind of been implied before but ages are always vague in this series. Its the most "solid" we've kind of gotten with it. In fact, Homer and Wiggum are pretty much said to be both 40 in this. (32+8). Another little instance of Homer's age jumping around. lol I'm not sure if Wiggum's age has ever been specifically said before though. Moe looks around CBG's age, and he's supposed to be 45. I'm not sure if Snake's age has ever been implied either but he looks to be around at least Homer and Wiggum's age too. At least for now.
Once again, nothing too anal or "concrete" here because you know how this series is with the little stuff. lol But it may be of mildly interesting note.
Last edited by Kiyosuki; 02-20-2007 at 03:14 AM.
Man, this was a really good, original and funny episode.
One or two more eps of this quality and this won't be the worst season since season 11.
A / 5/5
I don't think the "cat lady" example represents an anti-intellectualism. She represents more of the anti-ambition streak that the show has. The writers seem to hate ambition, especially blind ambition. She seemed close to the Lindsay Nigel (i think that's her name) character who is bright and intelligent in a corporate/structured way, but is also the type of person that everyone hates because of her use of marketing lingo and belief that she is smarter than she is. Frank Grimes would probably be another example of the anti-ambition streak in the show.Originally Posted by JM1878
As Homer has said, "If something's hard to do then it's not worth doing" and "You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is: Never try."
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Wow, a pretty decent episode! Not laugh-a-minute like an episode such as this ought to be heading towards, but solid with enough of the good stuff. Ending pun was lame as hell, as those always have been. But this episode was definitely a big step in the right direction.
^^^Yeah I noticed that this implied Homer was 40 - that'll be why they chose 8-year intervals instead of 7 (Homer would have to be 35 or 42). 6 or 9 could have worked - Homer would be 36 (which he has been before).Originally Posted by Kiyosuki
Anyone else feel incredibly dumb reading this post?Originally Posted by JM1878
Yep, it was at the start of act one. The couch gag, for those who wanna know, was a repeat of the Simpsons as cockroaches running off when the light turns on.Originally Posted by JoshG
Originally Posted by Chuckles Manson
I love lines like those two, but I think they're often misinterpreted as the show's actual editorial viewpoint rather than a self-conscious attack on the sitcom conventions at the heart of the show.
Frank Grimes is probably the best example of the show's take on this divide between the mythology of a producer culture full of Horatio Algers and the reality of a consumer culture full of Homer Simpsons, but Grimes isn't the one being criticized the most harshly in "Homer's Enemy." Like Malvolio in Twelfth Night, Sir Topas in the Canterbury Tales or pretty much anybody in Tamburlaine, he is an attack on the foundation of the world into which he has been thrown.
Grimes is the epitome of the notion that an American can pull himself up by his bootstraps, regardless of crippling silo explosions. When he sinks into the ground, the Puritan work ethic sinks along with him (to riotous laughter). But that's a criticism of the sheer insanity that lies at the heart of most of my favorite episodes of "The Simpsons": The notion that Homer is the hero, that we laugh with him and not at him. The tacit ridiculousness of this idea is at the heart of perhaps the best argument Chris Turner makes in Planet Simpson -- that Homer is the antithesis of every ideal our frontiersmen- and cowboy-loving society claims to hold dear.
To be fair (and I think Turner takes note of this, too), it's not just Homer's consumerism that we identify with -- it's his defiance of authority. But I would argue that we identify with Homer more when he is TRYING to do things -- to help his kids, to romance his wife, to get a job he likes better -- than we do when he’s chewing on Grimey’s pencils or eating his lunch. The brilliance of “Homer’s Enemy” is that we may go back to rooting for Homer when his next caper comes around, but we can’t help but recognize our own hypocrisy as we cheer him on. That adds an entire level to every subsequent “Simpsons” adventure and every message that comes with them.
The devolution of the Cat Lady, however, is not John Swartzwelder raging against the machine he helped build. Nor is it Lindsay Naegel, who exemplifies the machine against which Swartzwelder raged decades ago as an advertising copywriter. Naegel represents the engine of consumer culture that victimizes people like Grimes. She is consistently in thrall to a corporate master, and her only apparent desires are rooted in the consumerism she espouses. But that’s not what we see in the Cat Lady -- a hyperbolically brilliant woman at her peak reduced to a gibbering lunatic because she worked too hard to have time for a family by age 30.
Last edited by JM1878; 02-20-2007 at 11:00 AM.
The way I saw Eleanor/CCL's little descent into maddness wasn't necessarilly promoting a total lack of ambition. To me it was about being level with yourself. You know, taking things in stride, pacing yourself, taking in the good with the bad, and not pushing yourself so much that it makes you self destruct.Originally Posted by Chuckles Manson
No effort or ambition at all's also been poked at in this series many times too. Lazyness and falling to complacency is really one of the most destructive forces in the universe if you think about it. lol And this series hasn't denied that either. In general I think the show goes more towards avoiding extremes of yourself and keeping things balanced.
Thats really what this episode was all about. Taking life as it is, and not constantly as what you wish it to be. As I said what I liked about this episode is how every segment was fun, and in some cases really humorous...but many of them had a point too. They all went together to help further the point made with Homer and Marge in the end.
-Wiggum did what he could and acomplished what he wanted. You may be able to critisize his ability, but you can't critisize that he at least got there. He may not have pants that fit (lol) or be perfect at what he does but still he's a...for the most part nice guy who can't really ignore that he did alright for himself.
-Frink did quite a bit with his life. He wanted to get his hands on a lady of course (didn't he have a kid? lol small details.) and never did, but still he didn't do so bad. But I guess he had trouble seeing that. Whats ironic is that he could probably find easier ways of finding love than a time machine. lol He's only looking at what he wants.
-Eleanor had big dreams and did them all, but the thing is...is she self destructed from how much she did at once. We all have our limits and commiting yourself to too much expectation is really rarely a good thing. You'll kind of miss life.
-Nautical Stu was just awsome fluff. lol
-It all boils down to the end with Homer and Marge. Homer tried his usual get rich quick schemes and experiments to make it big but he never did. And Marge wanted to become a photographer/photo journalist but didn't get the chance too. The big kick here though thats supported by all the other segments, is Declan mocks Homer and as Homer pretty sympathetically puts, makes him out to be the guy "that makes others look good". But as Marge plainly sees herself despite her life not ending up how she wanted it, and how imperfect it may be...that their life isn't all that bad either. They've done quite a bit, and some around Springfield even like/envy something about them.
If Homer had never tried...anything he wouldn't of gotten Marge, his family, and what life he does have. But as he says in the end, if you always pay attention to what you don't have and how you wished things were you'll miss whats going on in the now.
Thats how I saw this episode's little subtle message. It uses Homer in a vaguely similar manner to how he's used in Homer's Enemy.