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    R&R: A Star is Burns

    It's one of the best ones I've seen since my birth. Nice job on creative 'movies', Burns getting humiliated in the beginning of his movie (took it for 20 times...) and his trademark saying 'excellent' was also hilrious.

    Oh and who would forget the "Eternal Struggle" and burning the principal

    I'd give it 5/5

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    5/5 My 3rd favorite in season 6! It was one of the funniest episodes I have ever seen! Football in the groin rules!

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    I thought this was a really good season 6 episode, I liked the blend of the Simpsons and the critic, even if it upset Matt...4.5/5
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    One of my favorites episodes of season 6, mainly because of the use of Jay Sherman from "The Critic". A.

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    It's ok, 3/5.

    It is funny, most jokes work well and still arouse a laugh from me all these years later. Particular mention deserves to be given to Burns's film, which was hilarious. I also liked the McBain/shoes joke at the beggining, it was rather funny. The plot is smooth, there aren't any boring parts and there aren't (from memory) any scenes that feel tacked on.

    On the other hand, I'm not a huge fan of the way Marge treats Homer in this episode. She's honest, but she's insensitive, rude and egocentric. Compare this to the Marge of previous episodes like Homer Badman, where she's portrayed as honest, yet also caring, kind and loving. Marge seems more concerned about impressing Sherman than she is about her husbands feelings. Jay Sherman is also put over Homer on a number of occasions in this episode, and whilst they're not very harmful to Homer's character in the least, it would have been nice to see Homer gain some dignity over Sherman at one point. The closest we come to that is through Homer coming to terms with Pukahontas, which may or may not have been his own opinion. I feel that he merely picked it to impress Marge, but that is mere conjecture *sticks up middle finger*. Oh, and I'm not sure what was going on with Barney in this episode. Was he aware of his crippling alcoholism, or did the movie pop up some other way. Sure, he's addicted to alcohol but I have a hard time buying the "hook it to my veins" joke.
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    i give this episode an A-. i think it's a well paced, charmingly characterized episode with a funny and creative plotline that thankfully never takes itself too seriously. it's irreverent throughout but sincere and emotional where it needs to be. the only problems for me were that the story (while entertaining) was a little thin and jay sherman wasnt a classic one-off character

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchanezzar
    Jay Sherman is also put over Homer on a number of occasions in this episode, and whilst they're not very harmful to Homer's character in the least, it would have been nice to see Homer gain some dignity over Sherman at one point. The closest we come to that is through Homer coming to terms with Pukahontas, which may or may not have been his own opinion. I feel that he merely picked it to impress Marge, but that is mere conjecture *sticks up middle finger*.
    yeah, it is conjecture. rather foolhardy conjecture at that. you do realize everything that happens in the plot is intentional, right? and when homer looks touched by barney's film and actually says to himself how moving it was, that means homer was touched by the film and it moved him? if there was anything about him pretending to like the movie for marge it wouldve been scripted

    what youre saying here is equivelant to when homer assumed there was something going on with internal affairs in the film the movementarians showed him

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchanezzar
    Oh, and I'm not sure what was going on with Barney in this episode. Was he aware of his crippling alcoholism, or did the movie pop up some other way. Sure, he's addicted to alcohol but I have a hard time buying the "hook it to my veins" joke.
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    you do realize everything that happens in the plot is intentional, right?
    No, I thought everything came in by chance, and that plot points magically meander their way into an episode by no visible means. That was an utterly idiotic comment to make good sir.

    As for your actual point, why would it be scripted? There are many points within The Simpsons where things are implied, or where things are scripted in a way that doesn't commit the character to either course of action. Duffless springs to mind as an alright example of that - does Homer go back to Marge because he realises the folie of his alcholism, or does he go back because he feels guilty toward Marge for leaving for Moe's so quickly. I tend to lean toward the former, but there's no evidence to commit to either direction. The very fact that the scripts from The Simpsons are left open to audience interpretation are one of the best things about The Simpsons.

    The very same idea applies in this episode, and there's nothing in the script (from what I recall) that commits Homer to either decision. From what I can remember, and don't quote me on this, does the scene not go something like this:

    Homer: Barney's film was touching, but Football in the groin had a football in the groin

    Barney (overheard): Don't cry for me, I'm already dead.

    *cuts to award ceremony where Barney is presented as the winner*

    Marge: You made the right choice

    Homer: Yeah.

    It's simplified, but from my memory there isn't much to suggest either idea is right. I don't think, based on Homer's previous movie preferences, that he'd favour Barney's movie over Football in the Groin.

    it's a comical exagerration. youre not supposed to "buy it"
    Homer running away from Grampa in HSiKT is also a comical exaggeration of Homer's fear of surgery, yet it's one of the most critically bombarded plots that the show has ever put out. The difference? I suspect it's the Mike Scully factor, and the prejudice that this site has against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchanezzar
    Homer running away from Grampa in HSiKT is also a comical exaggeration of Homer's fear of surgery, yet it's one of the most critically bombarded plots that the show has ever put out. The difference? I suspect it's the Mike Scully factor, and the prejudice that this site has against him.
    He ran away abandoning his father on his deathbed for the second fuckin time. That is horrible exaggaration of a character for the sake of furthering the plot (and in this case, for a slapstick joke involving Homer being crushed by a car) because he has never been THAT uncaring to anyone in his family, evn Grampa. Compared to that, Barney has always been a very pathetic drunkard : he has drunk alcohol off ashtrays, licked beer off the floor, sucked beer taps and cut up his gums. "Hook it to my veins" is not far off from his character at all.

    I don't like that joke either, but it is nowhere near the character warping HSIKT does. Honestly, can Scully do no fault in your eyes ? :silly:

    On topic, unfortunately this one has grown to be my personal worst episode from Season 6. Lot of jokes simply falls flat for me, mainly those involving the interaction between Jay Sherman and Homer. The conflict between Homer and Marge that develops from Homer being jealous of Jay is contrived with Homer's growing insecurity coming off as unnecessary. Still has its share of inspired moments (Mcbain's interview, Spielbargo and ofcourse football in the groin ) and the best two jokes were cut from the episode (Lisa and Maggie's Bergman-esque film and Grampa shooting a porn film.) C+
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    I don't like that joke either, but it is nowhere near the character warping HSIKT does. Honestly, can Scully do no fault in your eyes?
    Alcoholism is a whole helluva lot more serious than one guy running away from surgery, and many could have perceived that "joke" as an insensitive, thoughtless joke on behalf of the writers. Despite that, each was a mere joke, and each was (as whats his face said) not meant to be taken terribly seriously. I have a feeling that when the commentary for HSiKT comes out, Scully will defend the episode saying that it wasn't meant to be taken as seriously as it was.

    I acknowledge that a lot of what Scully did was horrible, and detrimental to The Simpsons. Take a look at my season rankings and you'll see that I have no clear preference for any Scully seasons. Take a look at my old top 50 list, and you'll see only five episodes EP'd by Scully appear on that list. Having said that, he gets critisised way to much on this site without anyone giving any mention to the things that he did right. I kinda feel sorry for him, and I have little doubts that here, I probably am his number one fan (apart from maybe Mike Scully himself).

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    Definitely one of the more debated classic-era episodes on this board. While it has a higher ratio of failed gags than most episodes of the era (pretty much everything involving Bart bombed), it treats the crossover gimmick well while being cheeky with its own promotions without being too unrealistic. In addition, "Then get me his non-union Mexican equivalent!" is one of the few Simpsons quotes I actually use in real conversations on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchanezzar
    As for your actual point, why would it be scripted? There are many points within The Simpsons where things are implied, or where things are scripted in a way that doesn't commit the character to either course of action. Duffless springs to mind as an alright example of that - does Homer go back to Marge because he realises the folie of his alcholism, or does he go back because he feels guilty toward Marge for leaving for Moe's so quickly. I tend to lean toward the former, but there's no evidence to commit to either direction. The very fact that the scripts from The Simpsons are left open to audience interpretation are one of the best things about The Simpsons.
    yeah, but... no. homer talks to marge in the scene before he goes to moes. this is instructive to the plot. she begs him not to go but he does anyway because he thinks he needs alcohol to have fun, then through the eyes of sobriety he sees how sad a life he was leading before and decides to go back to marge

    the short response to your post is... why cant the ending incorporate both of your scenarios? because, if you're paying any kind of atention to the writing you'd realize it does

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchanezzar
    It's simplified, but from my memory there isn't much to suggest either idea is right. I don't think, based on Homer's previous movie preferences, that he'd favour Barney's movie over Football in the Groin.
    for crying out... homer didnt even see barney's film, thats the point. it was so far from homer's taste that he didnt pay any attention to it. marge and jay were angry at homer for picking something stupid over barney's movie and so homer agrees to rewatch the movie to make a better judgement (this was to show to marge that she didnt put him on the judging panel for nothing) but he doesnt vote for barney's movie to impress marge, because as the episode shows us, homer is actually touched by the message in barney's film. there is nothing in the story about homer picking the movie for any other reason, so it's both pointless and as i said, foolhardy to simply assume otherwise, as you did

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchanezzar
    Homer running away from Grampa in HSiKT is also a comical exaggeration of Homer's fear of surgery, yet it's one of the most critically bombarded plots that the show has ever put out. The difference? I suspect it's the Mike Scully factor, and the prejudice that this site has against him.
    the difference is, homer running away from surgery was a major plot point that changed the direction and focus of the episode whereas barney asking to have beer hooked to his veins was a joke that lasted about 5 seconds

    the reason i said you dont have to "buy" the barney joke is because it's simply a moment of flexible reality that shoudlnt be taken seriously and is easy to laugh at and then ignore. homer running away from grampa is the damn story of the other episode, which is impossible to ignore and therefore much much worse

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    Fairly entertaining episode, Homer saved it from me giving it a 2/5 instead of a 4/5 the whole Moleman getting hit by a football was funny enough by Homer's standards.
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    i dont really like this episode. Meh-ish. 3/5
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    2.5/5 rounded down to a 2/5. The worst of Season 6. There was no real plot except that Springfield has a film festival. That is all that happens. I'm guessing that Homer's judging decision was supposed to be the conflict of the episode, but it ended up dull and leaving me not caring. Several jokes bombed (the beer nut thing, Homer's flopped joke, the Macgyver thing, the Oscar Myer Weiner song, etc.). Barney's film intrigued me, one of the reasons this episode didn't get a failing grade, but the whole thing was rendered without a purpose, as signified by Barney's 'pump it to my veins' line. Only a few jokes saved this from a failing grade. Burns didn't even play that much of a part in the episode, as hinted at by the title. I also wonder why I laughed at the 'Eye On Springfield' theme in Flaming Moe's, but it happens to provide me without a chuckle here.

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    Like it's been said, there's no coherent plot to speak of, and there aren't really any amazing jokes. Matt Groening has the right to not be a fan of this.

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    Some clever in-jokes followed up with Homer at his stupid best. 4/5.

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    very good episode 4.5/5
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    Another C+ here. Most of Homer and Jay gags felt flat and the conflict was uninteresting, though I don't even think a conflict should be obligatory, only the film festival could have provided enough entertainment. Homer is quite irritating in this episode. I don't have problems with Barney's line at all. It was funny just because it totally contradicted the message in his film. I also think the deleted scenes were brilliant. Especially Lisa and Maggie's film.


    Incidentally I recently rewatched Kidney Trouble and I think it's ok. Not great but it's not really that awful either. It has a good amount of funny gags. Homer did act a little mean, though. I think him running away is not the worst part, but most the fact that he is a little too angry with Grandpa during the whole thing. He causes the problem and then he runs away from it. That's something Scully made more than once. It's similar in Make Room For Lisa. If at least those problems weren't Homer's fault I think he could get away with being a coward or irresponsable a little more. Kidney Trouble definitely needed a scene in which we really saw Homer's afraid of the expectative of seeing Grandpa's death. I can accept him running away from it even the second time because of pure irrational fear, but when he wakes up he's still mad at Grandpa and in the whole episode he doesn't make it clear that he loves him, though it's shown that he felts guilty for acting like that.
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    it was pretty good. the burns parts were entertaining but the critic was pretty lame. and the burping jokes and the oscar meyer jokes...poor, poor, poor. 3/5
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    This episode was a mixed bag of some humorous moments and some truly awful moments. All of the characterizations were executed well, I thought, so that was a definite plus. Homer was not overly-stupid and was entertaining most of the time, and the Burns subplot was enjoyable, although given the title "A Star Is Burns", it probably would have been wise to focus on that aspect of the story rather than filling so much time with substandard and sometimes just plain embarrassing jokes with Jay Sherman. 3/5

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    it was a good episode with many funny scenes. I really liked the movie Burns did, it was hilarious. 4/5

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    4/5, great episode.
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    3/5, it's pretty funny but Jay sorta gets on my nerves. The McBain jokes and the movies are hilarious.

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    I'm really confused. When you give it a C or a 2/5 is that compared to other season six episodes or to the series as a whole. If it's to other episodes from that season I can understand that, but if it's for the series as a whole..... I don't get it unless you rank 90% of the episodes season 11 onward a -1/5 or F.
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    9/10, voted 5/5, but only just

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    5/5

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    Man, I do remember writing my review (as the first post of the thread) on this episode. I guess I had different views on how to judge an episode back then. Let me re-evaluate this episode again.
    First of all, the main beef of this episode was humor. There were many jokes that I felt were classic (football in the groin, Moe's film, 'The Eternal Struggle', Grampa attacking the cameraman for 'stealing his soul.', etc), that's a plus point of this episode. But after watching this episode for few more times, I felt that the plot and the personal conflict of Homer was too weak to be featured as a main story. 4/5 (if I were to be able to vote again)

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    Among my favourite episodes of Season 6. It just has it all:

    - Possibly the best humour ever featured on the show
    - Guest Appearance by Jay Sherman of The Critic (a great show)
    - Some of the funniest scenes ever featured on the show.

    9/10.

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    A great episode that is underrated here. Jay Sherman (voiced by Jon Lovitz) was a perfect choice when it comes to guest stars.

    9.5/10 (only flaw is the Oscar Myer song. At least it managed to end with the dog howling, which otherwise was a good ending for a poor gag).


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    very underrated episode. defenitly deserves a 5/5 for the humor and plot
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