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Season 21 ratings (A.K.A. Qwert's Generic Sig Vol. II)
Homer The Whopper 7/10 Bart Gets A 'Z' 8.5/10 The Great Wife Hope 9/10 Treehouse Of Horror XX 9.17/10
The Devil Wears Nada 9.5/10 Pranks And Greens 6.5/10 Rednecks And Broomsticks 7.5/10 Oh Brother, Where Bart Thou? 8.5/10
Thursdays With Abie 5.5/10 Once Upon A Time In Springfield 10/10 Million Dollar Maybe 4.5/10 Boy Meets Curl 6/10
The Color Yellow 9/10 Postcards From The Wedge 9.5/10
I've thought of another great gag (IMO). It's where Homer is trying to knock the lady out with the pan.
You can do anything if you put your mind to it.
Everything happens for a reason.
Just be yourself. Everyone else is already taken.
Don't worry about the world ending today. It's already tomorrow in Australia.
I'm with D'ohmer on this one. It's got plenty of good humour in it. I especially like the line: Bart, "Dad, you'll kill us all!" Homer, "Or die trying!"
I think due to random, WTF? humor being more prevelent these days, episodes like "Kill" don't seem quite so bad, but for a lot of fans who watched it the night it came out, it's still a comedic kick to the balls.
Don't get me startedOriginally Posted by D'ohmer
Not that good.Originally Posted by D'ohmer
Those jokes are good.Originally Posted by D'ohmer
That's funny?Originally Posted by D'ohmer
Get's Old...Fast!Originally Posted by D'ohmer
That's HorribleOriginally Posted by D'ohmer
"Look, Marge, you don't know what it's like. I'm the one out there every day putting his ass on the line. And i'm not out of order! You're out of order. The whole freaking system is out of order. You want the truth? You want the truth?! You can't handle the truth! Because when you reach over and put your hand into a pile of goo, that was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do! Forget it, Marge. It's Chinatown!" - Homer's rant.
I think it's a tad underrated since it had its number of gags. It's probably funnier than the ireland episode from March.
Still, 2.5 is the most I would give if I were generous. So, something like C- or D+
Well, ya'know if you stay positive and forget about trivial things like "proper characterization," "Satire," and "emotional depth" watching new Simpsons episodes can be a seemingly enjoyable lie.
A few people have said they wanted a review from me on this one now that I've seen it for the first time in nine years, so here it is:
I have no idea why people consider it the worst episode ever. It's not great by any means, but there are several "classic" era episodes way worse than this one, and yet this usually gets an ecumenical F? Not sure why. Yeah, it's wacky. Yeah, it has no structure whatsoever. Yeah, the characterizations are wildly inaccurate. But the humor isn't awful (while some were unnecessary/stupid, other jokes worked), the story--however disjointed--is unique and puts the family in a fairly funny, new, dire situation, and it overall comes across a weird, wild adventure that succeeds in being a decently-entertaining half hour of television.
I don't see the point in overanalyzing things like characterization and plot here really; I don't think it was intended to be a deep character study or even the slightest bit plot-driven. I think the point is kind of that it is "just a bunch of stuff that happens", regardless of anything else, and while some of the stuff that happens isn't particularly good, most of it is decent enough. A C/C- is my tentative grade.
I respect your opinion, but just out of curiosity, what classic era episodes do you consider worse than this?
As some episodes that you like are not appreciated in France ...
I know, to drag french forums often, it is quite popular in France (Yes you don't care, so what ? ) And I am among those who truly appreciate. A-
But the fact that ruins this episode is that, after renouncing logic and focusing its strength on the humor, it was actually boring. It is obviously a subjective matter, but the jokes were mostly ineffective and sometimes they failed completely. I found them pretty different from the simpsonish humorous style, and that is probably a determining factor. While I could find funny Homer when he said that he would kill her family or die trying, I should put it out of context to laugh at it. The same thing happens with the incest joke or Homer's paranoia, and it's the basis of my dislike towards other episodes like Missionary: Impossible, Simpson Safari or Tennis The Menace.
Call of the Simpsons
Krusty Gets Busted
Some Enchanted Evening
Three Men and a Comic Book
Like Father, Like Clown
Bart the Lover
The Otto Show
A Streetcar Named Marge
Homer the Heretic
Lisa's First Word
Marge vs. the Monorail
I Love Lisa
Krusty Gets Kancelled
Homer Goes To College
Homer the Vigilante
Homer and Apu
Sweet Seymour Skinner's Badassss Song
Itchy and Scratchy Land
Lisa On Ice
Fear Of Flying
Bart vs Australia
Bart Sells His Soul
Two Bad Neighbors
Bart the Fink
Lisa the Iconoclast
The Day Violence Died
22 Short Films About Springfield
You Only Move Twice
The Twisted World of Marge Simpson
The Itchy and Scratchy and Pootchie Show
My Sister, My Sitter
The Old Man and the Lisa
All Singing, All Dancing
Lisa the Simpson
This Little Wiggy
The Trouble With Trillions
Trash of the Titans
Natural Born Kissers
Sorry, Robin, I'd like to respect your opinion but...but...there is a lot of classic episodes on that list. How can you don't love Duffless, Homer The Heretic, Bart's Girlfriend, FLAMING MOE'S?
If all those are C or C- for you it seems to me that half of the series classics is average or mediocre in your list.
Incidentally I don't hate KTAAR as much as many others, but still there are a lot of excellent episodes in your list and I can only see why you could have issues with some of them (like Homer Goes To College, which is a little dumb, but it's still pretty funny, or Homer's Enemy, which is IMO an excellent episode, even though I agree with some of your criticisms about it).
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While I don't agree with Ms. Hood on some of those episodes (and certainly not wishing to continue the argument), it's refreshing to find there's at least someone on this board whose reviews don't simply consist of "classic"= good, "post-classic" = bad.
I respect your opinion, Robin Hood, while I disagree strongly with your reviews (and presumably with your criterion in general).
But what I sometimes miss is a debatable explanation of those grades. Don't misinterpret me, I am not saying they are unfair or something worse, but because of the strong disagree with the general view regarding episodes like Flaming Moe's, Duffless, 22 Short Films About Springfield, A Streetcar Named Marge or Cape Feare, it would be great to make discussions about them based on your reviews. And what I have read so far from you about these episodes is irrefutable from the point of view of a fertile discussion, because it is too subjective and personal. And your reviews seem to be so unrelated each other that I find it difficult to see a clear tendency at your grading method that is repeated through out the series. Maybe I'm too much demanding and disrespectful at pointing this but it's how I view it. I don't want to sound rude, but it gives me an impression of randomness at your reviews.
PS: I assume you will find me jerk and even idiotic at this post, so I hope nothing serious comes of it if I dedicate you an awfully-delayed Happy Birthday . And sorry guys for Off Topic-ing.
Last edited by qwertyuio; 05-05-2009 at 07:48 AM.
Yeah, I also find it interesting to read some criticisms of classic era episodes, but I think some of those are among the very best of the series. I have my own issues with certain classic era episodes like Hurricane Neddy, A Star Is Burns or Around Springfield...though I'd still give them pretty good grades, I just think those are no better than a lot of recent episodes. I will try to look at Robin's opinion in the episodes Rate and review threads, just out of curiosity.
I liked this episode quite alot actually so I gave it an A
I don't know...I could say, for instance, you love "138th Spectacular" and "Vegetarian" (both of which I consider to be great episodes) yet you also love "Flaming Moe's", "Lisa's First Word", et cetera (that I consider terrible), so your opinions could seem random to me. But I see where you're coming from. The episodes I love all have different reasons behind them; sometimes I love an episode for its humor, sometimes for its emotion, sometimes for its characterization, sometimes for its plot, et cetera. There are always individual reasons for why I love a certain episode, so yeah, I would agree that I don't have one stringent standard for grading/liking episodes or any by-the-book grading method.And your reviews seem to be so unrelated each other that I find it difficult to see a clear tendency at your grading method that is repeated through out the series. Maybe I'm too much demanding and disrespectful at pointing this but it's how I view it. I don't want to sound rude, but it gives me an impression of randomness at your reviews.
Thanks!PS: I assume you will find me jerk and even idiotic at this post, so I hope nothing serious comes of it if I dedicate you an awfully-delayed Happy Birthday . And sorry guys for Off Topic-ing.
But still...there has to be some kind of rule...I mean, I like these series because of their characters and that's mainly the reason why I like most series. And I can't think of an episode with a better depiction of Simpsons family than Duffless, for example. Also the jokes are for the most part of high quality. I read that you think this episode is nothing special and in a way, one could see it like that, cause the plot is about aspects of the characters that are present in many episodes, like Homer's alcoholism. I could understand that maybe someone don't consider this one as the perfect classic episode, but at least it should be a B or something, cause if you like the characters, there is a perfect description of them there. Yeah, there are a lot of examples of that in classic era, but there are also episodes that are not so perfect in that department and are stronger in others (like Homer's Enemy, in which I sort of agree with your view about characterizations in this episode though I think the concept of the episode was brilliant enough to forgive that).
Don't take the examples of the episodes, it's just a way of telling that there has to be certain "rules" or things that a person always like about the series and when there's some of that in one episode I think it just deserves some credit for it, and if there's a lot of that then it deserves more credit.
There is nothing wrong with purely subjective grading, but as I come to appreciate the objective principles of story and characterization (and yes, they do exist), I find it hard to enjoy something that strays from those principles, as those rules are the basis for art and entertainment, qualities which in a show like classic Simpsons seem to be very closely linked. When an episode like KTAAR provides interchangeable characterizations, not necessarily degradations of traditional characterization but one-note robots, to whom the absurd developments of the story mean little to nothing, then there is no inherent drama to what is being told, no reason to watch outside of jokes, which, given there is no character or dramatic basis for them, become restrictive regardless of their potential for humor (something I don't even think exists in this episode). Even if episodes like Flaming Moe's or Homer the Heretic invoked no laughter whatsoever (and to say there is none is to be completely severed from the sense of humor of just about anyone), they still have structure and plot and characterization. Even if terribly executed, which they aren't, they still make the episode a more complete work of art than an episode that does not have them, and therefore I believe that objectively they maintain superiority over episodes like these.
@Cartoonnetwork: Well, sure, but if only one aspect of an episode is good, it doesn't make the entire episode good. I know you said not to take those specific examples of episodes, but for the sake of argument: let's say "Duffless" did portray Homer and Marge well. I can give it that. I don't think their characterizations were anything spectacular, but they were fine at least. However, the lack of good humor and the emotionally-hollow and -manipulative qualities of the plot are much more prominent to me than the only decent characterization, so I don't like the episode.
Yeah, but the episodes I give F's are ones that I either feel have no strength in any department or have perhaps some strength in one department but are so bad in every other department (or even one department) that the few decent qualities of the episode don't redeem it for me. For example, "Rosebud"...it's probably a C/C- episode for me. It's entertaining, parodies are good, characters have good moments...but the emotional aspect of the episode (which the entire plot is built around!) is so manipulative, nonsensical, and sigh-inducing that the whole episode is brought way down by it. Seeing as I think Homer is being completely stupid and even selfish in his decision to let Maggie keep the bear (1.) she's one-years-old; she'll move onto another toy in the blink of an eye 2.) he could buy her another bear and she wouldn't know the difference, like I said, she's only one-years-old for crying out loud 3.) he could buy her so many things she actually wants and things she needs for her future, for her REAL happiness if he took Burns' money), I can't feel sorry for/admiring of Homer at all, which kind of ruins what the episode is going for.there are also episodes that are not so perfect in that department and are stronger in others
But yeah, like I said...not in the mood for a debate (really don't have time), but I just wanted to explain where I'm coming from on my grading.
I admit that only one thing in a Simpsons episode is important to me--I want it to make me laugh. Everything else is secondary. Of course in very rare exceptions ("Lisa's Substitute") emotion can completely take over and the episode can still be fantastic, but personally if I find an episode funny I just can't give it less than a B, even if it has other issues
I know I'm persisting in taking this way off-topic, so sorry, this just seemed like a good time to explain why I'm such an inordinately high-grade reviewer
I try to follow a basic criterion, emphasizing characterizations and storyline, but it's inevitable to find some episodes that I love for reasons that don't fit my general opinion, and they could be so subjective or illogical that explaining them would be too much difficult. It's obvious that you will find some randomness at my grades, as I find it at yours, but what must be established (and I didn't clarify it well on my previous post) is that it is a personal opinion. Anyway, I think it's more a problem of disagreement than bad explanation. For example, I don't see why an episode being emotionally manipulative is a fault at its own, but it seems to bother you in a way that I don't understand, in the same way you can't understand why I look sometimes so obsessed with the characters' attitudes.I don't know...I could say, for instance, you love "138th Spectacular" and "Vegetarian" (both of which I consider to be great episodes) yet you also love "Flaming Moe's", "Lisa's First Word", et cetera (that I consider terrible), so your opinions could seem random to me. But I see where you're coming from. The episodes I love all have different reasons behind them; sometimes I love an episode for its humor, sometimes for its emotion, sometimes for its characterization, sometimes for its plot, et cetera. There are always individual reasons for why I love a certain episode, so yeah, I would agree that I don't have one stringent standard for grading/liking episodes or any by-the-book grading method.
Every single emotional episode of The Simpsons is emotionally manipulative. Hell, every dramatic story ever told in the history of mankind is emotionally manipulative. I know what is meant when people use the term in regard to Simpsons episodes, which is basically the lack of subtlety to the extent that one becomes aware of the writer's hand in the turn of events that create the basis for emotional connection. And yet, I feel that any great episode of the series creates that awareness if one watches analytically enough. Therefore, I think the true problem with poor emotional episodes is when the feelings of the characters are artificial and unnatural, forced for the sake of invoking an emotional response in the viewer. Even if episodes like Duffless and Streetcar are basic and follow a pattern, the characters' behavior still arises naturally from the situation. Personally, I find Lisa the Vegetarian to be far more insulting.
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