(Singing) Homer is a jerk. No the plot dosen't work.
because Homer is such a jerk, and the plot sucks.
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(Singing) Homer is a jerk. No the plot dosen't work.
because Homer is such a jerk, and the plot sucks.
2/5. It gets bad after Grandpa's kidney explodes
Yeah I vaguely remember this episode being pretty damn awful though I did rather like like Homer's line 'That's the last time I trust the strangest people on Earth'
Oh my great good God! Gentlemen, your attention please. I am detecting a gigiantic amphibious life-form, it's 80 meters long and it's heading this way. Oh good glayven it's on my shoe. It's a small frog, just get off, just get off there, just get out of it, get out of it. Stupid machine, oh wait a minute, this isn't the Monsterometer, it's the Frog-Exaggerator Mm-hai.
If you're going to use the term 'jerk', please understand exactly what this word means.
So... he wasn't a jerk for not pulling over and just letting his father take a piss? Considering all of Grampa's desperate pleading and Homer's nonchalant responses, I dunno, I think it's fair to call Homer a jerk. A lot worse, actually.
Well, I hated it the last time I saw it. I gave it a 1/5.
I hereby decree that Bart Sells His Soul shall be graded F because Milhouse is a jerk.
Homer wasn't a jerk for the sake of it there, it was so the leadin to the main story could be funny. Would you have rathered the story begins with Grampa having some kind of banal complication? Boooooring.
Episode probably deserves a B or C - not because Homer is a jerk though, mind.
Also, you don't have to drag the above episodes down to "Kidney's" level just to get your point across.
Regardless, I fail to see what's so comical about refusing to let an old man pee.
Also, this was the point in the series where Homer's intelligence decreased ("I think Homer gets stupider every year!"), so I don't think Homer even knew the possible penalties for holding in urine. I mean, we've all been busting before - When have our kidneys ever burst? Mind over matter in those situations.
There's no doubt that Homer became a jerk in the series, but with this episode, I think people overreact.
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Come on Jake you know that's not a valid argument.Originally Posted by Jake
Fair point. My beef here though is that people commonly place this episode around the bottom 50 lists because, and only because, Homer was a jerk when again, the only evidence we have for that is a 30 second joke at the beggining of the episode which creates a neat lead in for the rest of the episode!Originally Posted by iciewynd
People need to take these things less seriously and realise that cruel humour is perfectly acceptable so long as it doesn't become commonplace, or unfunny. Homer ruthlessly kicking that woman in Trash of the Titans? Yeah, I'd concede that was a detriment to that episode. In this case? Nah, not really.
No he didn't. Jakes argument:Besides, I can understand that the way it starts off leaves a bad enough taste in people's mouths to just hate Homer for the rest of the episode and oh screw it Jake already covered it.
Homer was a jerk in the beggining of the episode
Hence, all subsequent examples of Homer being at all jerkish can only be explained through being a jerk
I don't at all agree with that reasoning, if we're going to get into the reasons behind this business (which I'm happy to do, btw).
This too. Good point.Originally Posted by Ankle
No, what I wrote is valid. Assuming homer was only scared, he wouldn't have became a pissy jerk after the operation and the way he was happy for barts kidney...
Homer was total d-bag in this and because it was "funny" doesn't excuse scullys, er homers behavior.
Well, ya'know if you stay positive and forget about trivial things like "proper characterization," "Satire," and "emotional depth" watching new Simpsons episodes can be a seemingly enjoyable lie.
Yeah, well anyway, you seem to be pretty certain about this, and I haven't seen the episode in years, but I seriously can't remember anything to indicate he was being a jerk. He was simply afraid of dying on the operating table, wasn't he?
Well, if you want to call it lousy writing, I won't disagree.
Btw I'm on an iPod touch so my replies are quite short at the moment.
He is scared later on in the episode, we agree on this as well, and it makes perfect sense. I don't fault Homer for that, I fault bad writing for all of the ridiculous twists his running away took.
The problem is, he's the reason for Grampa being in the hospital in the first place, because of his earlier jerkass behaviour. Had the exploding kidney not been a direct result of Homer's inconsiderate and self-centred actions, I probably wouldn't have had so much of a problem. But here? He just keeps running and running but he's the cause. The fear is understandable but the way it starts off really does not help anyone's opinion of Homer, and for some people, it's enough to carry through the whole episode.
Then of course at the end he runs away a second time for the purposes of another joke, which, after everything, still makes him look like a jerk. The episode is bookended by instances of Homer's jerkiness - it isn't too much of a stretch to find him to be a jerk somewhere in the middle as well.
Though Homer is rude and annoying in this it isn't the worst we've seen of jerkass Homer. Overall it isn't one of the worst episodes, its just bad
Heh. That's a fair point actually. I can defend my view by saying that he was angry about trust issues, rather than the operation itself. I therefore suggest his behaviour was still fully reasonable, and I assume a healthy amount of leniency in his anger for last scene laughter.Originally Posted by Jake
Agreed. I never defended the twists of the episode, merely the behaviour of Homer becauseOriginally Posted by icywind(sp whatever)
a) it's not that unreasonable
b) it's actually pretty funny (and after all, The Simpsons is 80% comedy, 1% cherry on top and 19% filler)
So? He's still afraid. If I caused an accident and was going to suffer years in jail and could make a break for it, I would as it represents a larger amount of liberty and freedom as opposed to jail. For Homer, he has two choices regardless of whether he caused it or not: run, or undergo an operation which he clearly has a massive fear of. If I were Homer, and I had that fear, I'd run. That's the basis for Homer's behaviour and I think it's reasonable.Had the exploding kidney not been a direct result of Homer's inconsiderate and self-centred actions, I probably wouldn't have had so much of a problem. But here? He just keeps running and running but he's the cause.
Bookends aren't really very significant compared to books though, are they?Then of course at the end he runs away a second time for the purposes of another joke, which, after everything, still makes him look like a jerk. The episode is bookended by instances of Homer's jerkiness - it isn't too much of a stretch to find him to be a jerk somewhere in the middle as well.
Okay, then, let me rephrase. There's what's at the beginning and what's at the end. They both project the same sort of tone, indicating little to no growth has taken place throughout the middle; or, whatever growth might have taken place is completely lost, so it's as if it never exicted in the first place. The middle reflects the tones of the beginning and end. It's unable to stand on its own.Bookends aren't really very significant compared to books though, are they?
And you know what - So what if Homer was a jerk? I've explained this before in my other thread. The show changed. Everyone else in the show acknowledges he's a jerk (See Angry Dad). Yes, it sucked because he was no longer the Homer we once knew, but you have to take it like it is. What's the point?
The example given was a poor one because if you tried to evade the law so you wouldn't be punished for a crime committed, yeah, that would make you a jerk. That's more what I was referring to there. It doesn't work quite the same as Homer's situation.
But his indifference to Grampa's suffering in the beginning? I don't care if it was a joke. It makes him a jerk. He feels some remorse for it afterwards, and that's good, but it still leaves a bad taste for some people - myself included - to see him running around through various wacky means to escape. And then there's that issue of the ending. Again. I look at the episode and see no growth. I see a guy who's scared, but also a guy who is incredibly selfish and frankly, an ass. S10 Homer just doesn't inspire me with a lot of sympathy.
And uh... If you're going to do an episode about this sort of subject, something so close to death, with two of your major characters, it would be wise to make them both more sympathetic. That's just my opinion though. And taking timing into account here - that this episode is right where The Simpsons started to show a rather steep decline - considering everything before it, it's a little more jarring.
Basically I agree with Ankle. It makes me a lot of things, but not a jerk, if my fear is overwhelming and rational - and for Homer it certainly was.Originally Posted by icywind
And I disagree, because combined those two scenes have minimal impact on the story, and go for about 60 seconds all up. They're incredibly minor parts of the episode that, really, don't have an enormous impact on the rest of the episode. Despite what you say, I do sympathise with Homer's behaviour in the middle of the episode, both with and without the beggining and end of the episode. All of this is now redundant. My original point was people are being too harsh on the episode, and I think you agree, and I'm hoping everyone else is starting to see that this isn't, "worst episode ever", or "Homer's biggest jerkass moment", or whatever was the common opinion months and years ago.Okay, then, let me rephrase. There's what's at the beginning and what's at the end. They both project the same sort of tone, indicating little to no growth has taken place throughout the middle; or, whatever growth might have taken place is completely lost, so it's as if it never exicted in the first place. The middle reflects the tones of the beginning and end. It's unable to stand on its own.
Yeah they're not related imo, and if you believe that you'd have to distill the three 'parts' of the episode that are causing our problem, and you'd come to our conclusion. You think his being selfish is in some way related to him being scared and vice versa? Personally I see them as being quite independant.I see a guy who's scared, but also a guy who is incredibly selfish and frankly, an ass
I wanted to get inside the computer screen to beat up homer when he ran for the second time
you know, if he actually didnt run away the 2nd time, this would actually be a decent episode.
homer runs away, meets these guys on a boat that think he's despicable, realises that he must conquer his fears, "love made me come back", then funny alternate ending.
“On my deathbed, my final wish is to have my ex-wives rush to my side so I can use my dying breath to tell them both to go to hell one last time.”
can't believe i gave this a 4/5...
i'm changing to a low 2.5/5, it's passable by some humor, but homer's behavior is pure asinine
Sucks. All the way. Even by Scully standards. 2/5
disgustingly bad wacky plot, though I didn't really mind Homer's selfishness
Homer doesn't bother me and I don't hate this as vehemently as most of you guys do. I do admit that it's a little bland at times. There's some decent jokes though. I gave this 3/5 but could've probably as well given 2/5. Mediocre, but I can easily sit through it unlike some episodes I truly hate.
The episode is funny up until Homer runs away the first time, then it drastically goes downhill from there. And that is a terrible thing to do. To me, that is one time where I think jerk-ass Homer just went too far.
Overall Rating: 1/5
Honestly, I don't have a problem with this episode.
And Homer's fear for the operation could be a realistic fear if it would be the first time he would be operated or if you're willing to forget he has gotten so many operations already in the past.
Also, this episode has the great line "this is everybody's fault but mine".
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