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[Disgruntled Goat]

Hehe

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AeDo-xc4Fko

I really don't know what this is, but it is just so lovable. :silly:

Heh, funny. There was a link from that one to another vid I thought was pretty funny: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cvOVj9Si85
Not sure where all those sound clips come from. One of the games?

[grissom]

How is "not even in English" a bad thing? :angry:

I dunno, maybe I find it a little hard to understand things in a language that I don't understand.

[W.P.]

^Grissom, I don't understand how not understanding a certain language effects music, especially when it is just silliness like this.

Heh, funny. There was a link from that one to another vid I thought was pretty funny: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cvOVj9Si85
Not sure where all those sound clips come from. One of the games?

I'm afraid I can't see it.

[Reservoir Dog]

Has anyone seen Jim Reardon and Rich Moore's cartoon that they made when they were in collage, which apparently got them their jobs on The Simpsons. Its pretty funny and extremely violent. Enjoy your link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSHEj8Bdj-0

[coltonwiggum]

Wow. That was pretty good.

[Imperciph]

I just rewatched Lisa's Rival and I feel it has one of Bart's best roles as a secondary character : he makes me laugh in every scene he shows up. For me it certainly ranks as one of his most hilarious appearances. His mischievous nature is flawlessly utilzed for one great gag after the other. Here are some things which I particularly enjoyed :

Marge: Well, you'll always be number one to me --
Bart: Ahem, hello...first born within earshot.

Bart: I can't stand to see you so miserable, Lis...unless it's from a rubber spider down your dress. Hmm, that gives me an idea.
[pulls out pocket tape recorder, presses "record"]
Note for later: put rubber spider down Lisa's dress.
[chuckles]
[turns back to Lisa, then as an afterthought, chuckles onto tape again]
Hey, I know! How about I dig up some dirt on Alison? Remember how I got Milhouse's picture on "America's Most Wanted"?

Lisa: I appreciate the offer, but it goes against every moral fiber in
my body.
Bart: Suit yourself. If you change your mind, here's my card.
Lisa: I don't need a card. You live in the room next to me.
Bart: [into tape recorder] Note: next year, order fewer cards.

Bart: Lis, I did some checking on this Alison character, and I know it's against all your moral fibers
Lisa: [grabs sheet] Give it to me. [chuckles] Hey, wait! There's nothing bad here.
Bart: Yep, she's clean as a bean, but...I did tip off the Feds as to the whereabouts of our good friend Milhouse.

Bart: Way to go, Lis. I mean, why compete with someone who's just going to kick your butt anyway?

Lisa: Oh, who am I kidding? There's no way I'm ever going to beat Alison.
Bart: Sure there is! but it involves being a bit underhanded, a bit
devious, a bit as the French say- Bartesque.
Lisa: I'll do whatever it takes.
Bart: Then welcome to the nether regions of the soul.

Bart: Now, here's what we do. Tomorrow morning when Alison comes out of her house, we spray her with the hose -- soaking her from head to toe, leaving us relatively dry.
Lisa: "Relatively"?
Bart: Well, there's bound to be some splash-back.

Bart: Lisa, here is as the French say - le fake diorama.

Which episode do you feel has Bart's best performance in a secondary role ?

[Postmaster]

The thing is, a lot of the lines you've mentioned there, are only setups for even funnier jokes.
*Insert another "the modern era sucks by comparison" comment here*

[Imperciph]

*Insert another "the modern era sucks by comparison" comment here*

Heh, this is actually often frustrating for me : everytime someone points out something usually overlooked or makes a new observation, instead of appreciating that newfound detail almost immediately everyone else starts finding examples of how this particular thing is not as strong in the modern era or is completely non-existent. Any new discussion that comes up ends up as being a new reason to dislike the modern era. :silly:

[Mr Black]

Bart also worked quite well in "Lard of the Dance", assisting with Homer's grease scheme.

[Drunk Barney]

Maybe a pretty obvious point, but what I love about the classic era (1-8 for me) is that you can flip around the Season's depening on you moods, and enjoy the similar quality to when your mood was different, when watching a different Season. I still think Season 6 is better than Season 1 etc, but there's not a lot in it. maybe half a grade or something. But here's what I mean by moods

Season 1 - Not in the mood for loads of humour, just a charming Season with character, with a few hilarious gags

Season 2/3: Good satire/characterizations, and not too much non-stop humour.

Season 4: Debatebly has it all.

Season 5: When you want to laugh

Season 6: With a plot

Season 7: When you want emotional episodes, and still get the characterizations. And like Season 3 not many non stop gags in many of the episodes. Nice balance.

Season 8: Where you want to observe secondry characters, and willing to take in dark humour. Maybe when your in a bad mood

And when it gets to Scully and Jean it gets a bit different. Whilst I toss and turn between Seasons 1 to 8, I doubt it'll be the same when I have the Scully and Jean years. Jean Seasons could be described as Season 4, yet much worse. So it basically has a failed balance. (still pretty good) So maybe I'll watch a Jean episode when I want to fall asleep! No that's harsh, when it comes to Jean I think I'll just pick the good episodes out. And of course this isn't the classic era, when nearly all of them are great. As for Scully, maybe when your in a "Stuff moaning about pain gags, and Homer's character" I just want some laughs, and a dodgey plot. Hmmm... I will watch Scully, but there's no real "enjoyable" style, likewise with current Jean. I'll just pick the good episodes for them two eras, except maybe Season 9.

Anyway I'm rambling, I guess what this thread is kinda' for. Thoughts? (not on my rambling )

EDIT: If anyone read that, you might want to read it again as I've changed some bits, as it didn't make much sense in places.

[TheForbiddenDonut]

My 'moods':
S1- When I'm in the mood for pure nostalgia
S2- Whem I'm in the mood for nostalgia as well as really involving character-driven plots
S3- When I want balance between gags and characterizations
S4- When I'm laid back and want something that's just pure fun
S5- When I'm in the mood to laugh incredibly hard with not much character concern
S6- When I want some variety and fun to an otherwise uninvolving batch of episodes
S7- When I want to take in everything representative of s6 and s3
S8- When I want a variation from any particular season theme, as I don't think s8 has a really defining theme to it

[Adam R]

I just know that I couldn't do one of those mood things, since I rarely watch the show any more. If I do decide to pick an episodes to watch on DVD, I just do it with commentary because I'm so tired of the normal episodes, so I want to add a new layer to it, which is what the DVDs are so good for. I'm trying to not watch any classic era episodes for a while, because they're all too familiar at the moment to entertain me that much. I normally go for a Futurama episode with commentary when I feel like watching stuff.

As for what Imperciph was saying, I think that you have the best example right there. Bart's best supporting roles are normally supporting Lisa. And that one combines him being the mischievous counterpart to lead her astray with him providing some extra humour to the situation. Lisa works well supporting Bart as the opposite, being the more level headed, mature of the two, best seen in Bart Sells His Soul. Despite this, I also like seeing Lisa as 'just a kid' as well, which is also shown in the episode in the scene where she is encouraging Bart to laugh.

When was the last time an episode explored the relationship between Bart and Lisa? I'm thinking Clear Day, which was pretty poorly handled with Lisa being some control crazy, insensitive bitch to him for most of the time. I'd still like to see them try and do what they can with this though, because it's been very underused recently. I can imagine how the episode would go now though: Bart and Lisa argue, Marge and Homer see their kids arguing, they take sides and it divides them, only to be reunited with some quick fix at the end. :silly:

[Drunk Barney]

So would you agree me TF Donut?

[TheForbiddenDonut]

^Definitely. I do notice that all Scully seasons and Jean seasons all have the same exact feel to them, whereas in the classic era, even though I usually tend to base the individual episodes themselves on my mood at the time, find it quite easy to find an overall theme for each season that reflects my changing moods.

[Timothy]

I'm guessing last night's episode was a repeat? I thought it was a pretty decent episode. The jokes didn't want to make me cringe, but the characterization and spoof of mafia types cracked me up. The fact that they got Joe Pantoliano and Michael Imperioli to guest star just adds credibility I guess.

[Flimpson Tide]

What I like about Lisa's Rival is that it has a Bart and Lisa relationship without it being the main point of the episode. More recent episodes like Jazzy and the Pussycats, On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister, and Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore have to focus on how either Bart and Lisa get mad at each other until the very end or how they develop a bond. In Lisa's Rival it shows that they really already have a bond and they don't have to establish it or make it the main point of the episode. It's more of just something that you'd expect from a brother and sister who can get along fairly well.

[coltonwiggum]

What I like about Lisa's Rival is that it has a Bart and Lisa relationship without it being the main point of the episode. More recent episodes like Jazzy and the Pussycats, On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister, and Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore have to focus on how either Bart and Lisa get mad at each other until the very end or how they develop a bond. In Lisa's Rival it shows that they really already have a bond and they don't have to establish it or make it the main point of the episode. It's more of just something that you'd expect from a brother and sister who can get along fairly well.

AMEN!

[grissom]

I'm guessing last night's episode was a repeat?

Yes, it was. That was the season 18 premiere.

[Nebuchanezzar]

^Definitely. I do notice that all Scully seasons and Jean seasons all have the same exact feel to them, whereas in the classic era, even though I usually tend to base the individual episodes themselves on my mood at the time, find it quite easy to find an overall theme for each season that reflects my changing moods.

Season 9 is a little different from season 10, which are both vastly different from season 11, which is a little different from season 12. I feel, that there's a huge difference between the feel of the episodes in each of Scully's seasons. Season 9 was just as jerky and cruel as season 10 I suppose, but there was a much more light hearted, almost focused feel to the episodes. It hadn't quite become the Homer show yet, and there was a decent array of episodes in season 9. Aside from that, Scully seemed to be playing the idiot Homer card to its extremes for the first time, and it definately felt fresher than it did in later seasons.

Season 10 became the Homer show, it was jerkier and lost quite a bit of its charm. Not that bad yet, but still losing a lot of its variety, and the fun idiocy in season 9 had started to become annoying.

Season 11 became far too cartoonish, and assholish for even my liking, with the dart scene being a bit of a symbol as to what it became during the season. Instances of ToMacco, jockey elves (*cough*), ritalin and so on had destabilised the show from its roots in realism, to the closest to the Saturday morning cartoons it had ever been.

Season 12 improved on all those features and had a much better variety, I feel, with a few experiments (Trilogy of Error, Simpsons Tall Tales), more character based and emotional episodes (HomR, Hungry Hungry Homer), secondary character "studies" (Insane Clown Poppy, Worst Episode Ever, Homer v Dignity *shudders*) and fewer zany episodes that worked to a certain degree (The Computer Wore Menace Shoes) and some that didn't (Simpson Safari). The quality isn't something I'm talking about here, just variety and the "feeling" of each seasons which were quite different throughout Scullys period of horror.

Jean's seasons have had pretty different feelings to them in some cases too. I'm only just gong through season 16 now, and it does feel extremely different to seasons 17 & 18, and also seasons 13, 14 and 15. I haven't seen the Jean episodes enough to completely lay my finger on the differences though.