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[Reverend Lovejoy]

No offense, but you are taking this whole thing too seriously. So what if Bart played a prank on the Lovejoys. I know they are your favorite character and all, but no one has hated Bart for playing pranks on Skinner, Willie, or Mrs. Krapapple. Obviously, there is gonna be more Bart merchandise than for the Lovejoys.

Firstly, I've hardly seen much of the Lovejoys at all recently, and when I do, I want to see something decent. Second, many people agree that the prank wasn't funny. I also mentioned that I didn't like Bart anymore. Believe it or not, that is a far cry from hating him.
The Bart merchandising craze may have been over ten years ago, but it's still around over here. There is more Bart merchandise, and I can understand that, but what's the appeal with Nelson and the bullies? They get as much of this as Bart, from what I've seen, and the Lovejoys wipe the floor with them any day of the week.

Kiyosuki, it's okay to like that picture. At least it features a character who's over ten years old, which is a miracle with that range.

[Channel Surfer]

looks like the essay dork crew is easier to get into than arizona state ;-/

Yeah I like Neb, but in the essay dork krew, I think not.

If you guys want to take this seriously...

Let's be honest with ourselves, the old essay dork school of 03-05 was more of a clique than anything else. A clique that has long since died, and one that is now highly irrelevant to what is going on in GD currently.

Like Veryjammy (who needs to join BTW ) said earlier, there's a lot of nice debate and discussion going on in the current review threads (and elsewhere) that was absent during the last year or so. However, it stands to note that almost none of this discussion is by the old Essay Dorks. For my point, there's one relevant reason for this. Just like how Jafar, Tibor, Jimbo, myself, ect filled the void by essentially replacing the Clockwork James essays or the Tomacco/Jake new/old fan debates ect when they stopped, I think it's fair to say that many newer members are filling the void of most of the second wave nerd's absence. Whether you agree with the opinions or not is unimportant, the rigor is in the newer members now.

[Kiyosuki]

Eh, I just say what I think. Sometimes what I think gets really long.
I haven't really given the whole thing much thought.

Kiyosuki, it's okay to like that picture. At least it features a character who's over ten years old, which is a miracle with that range.

Eh? I'm not quite sure I understand. I just thought it looked cool. XD I was also somewhat...slightly hoping someone knew where it came from. I found it on my harddrive.

[aoife]

Like Veryjammy (who needs to join BTW ) said earlier, there's a lot of nice debate and discussion going on in the current review threads (and elsewhere) that was absent during the last year or so. However, it stands to note that almost none of this discussion is by the old Essay Dorks. For my point, there's one relevant reason for this. Just like how Jafar, Tibor, Jimbo, myself, ect filled the void by essentially replacing the Clockwork James essays or the Tomacco/Jake new/old fan debates ect when they stopped, I think it's fair to say that many newer members are filling the void of most of the second wave nerd's absence. Whether you agree with the opinions or not is unimportant, the rigor is in the newer members now.

I have to agreee with this. There will always be new members doing serious Simspons discussion, as the older members cut down, or stop. I stopped writing essay paragraphs years ago, and I keep any commentary short.
Others have also, and new people take their places. It's the cycle of life, it's not good or bad, it just is.

[Homer Jay]

If you guys want to take this seriously...

Let's be honest with ourselves, the old essay dork school of 03-05 was more of a clique than anything else. A clique that has long since died, and one that is now highly irrelevant to what is going on in GD currently.

Like Veryjammy (who needs to join BTW ) said earlier, there's a lot of nice debate and discussion going on in the current review threads (and elsewhere) that was absent during the last year or so. However, it stands to note that almost none of this discussion is by the old Essay Dorks. For my point, there's one relevant reason for this. Just like how Jafar, Tibor, Jimbo, myself, ect filled the void by essentially replacing the Clockwork James essays or the Tomacco/Jake new/old fan debates ect when they stopped, I think it's fair to say that many newer members are filling the void of most of the second wave nerd's absence. Whether you agree with the opinions or not is unimportant, the rigor is in the newer members now.

I don't have that much to add, but I've found that right now GD is the best since I've been here. It seemed to take a while for their to be enough member to fill the gap from when Tibor and Jafar stopped posting in this part of the forum. There need to be a number of people who post at a high level in order for the forum to active

[grissom]

I was never let into the essay dork crew.

I don't post too many long rants here though, so i guess I know why. I have written a lot about the show though, although most of it's on my website.

[Nebuchanezzar]

So the non violent coup against Nebuchanezzar failed. I guess continuing on from the posts before, there's no point in looking back on the "glory days" of this part of the forum, if they're so far gone. Instead of remaining inert against newer members becoming recognised as GD posters through those little icons, older members such as Jimbo probably should be encouraging activity from those newer members, insteading of worthlessly insulting them.

Also, Grissom, you are a member are you not? It's in your profile dealie. In fact, I think I took a look at your profile after I saw that I had joined, to see who else was in there.

I watched Lisa the Vegetarian again this morning. Awesome episode, it's certainly rocketing up my top 50 every time I see it.

[Sloppy Jimbo XOX]

haha im fine with newer members filling our shoes. im just not sure if im proud with the way they carry the legacy (if you can call it that). and yes it is my fault. im simply too lazy to post big debates anymore. but thats because with the types of opinions around these days, i dont see it as debating. just cleanup

[Dark Homer]

Oh man I just now got the "Otto Mann" joke

Otto Mann, like an ottoman sofa get it

[Postmaster]

haha im fine with newer members filling our shoes. im just not sure if im proud with the way they carry the legacy (if you can call it that). and yes it is my fault. im simply too lazy to post big debates anymore. but thats because with the types of opinions around these days, i dont see it as debating. just cleanup

Yeah I just think if Jafar, Tibor and Hydro were still around some of his arguments would have been ripped apart. It's not a big deal, As I say, I like Neb he says some intelligent things and makes long posts, but that on it's own wouldn't have been enough to be in the old essay dork krew.

[grissom]

Also, Grissom, you are a member are you not? It's in your profile dealie. In fact, I think I took a look at your profile after I saw that I had joined, to see who else was in there.

They must have just recently let me in, last time I checked I wasn't. That's cool though, thanks to whoever did it.

[Nebuchanezzar]

As I say, I like Neb he says some intelligent things and makes long posts, but that on it's own wouldn't have been enough to be in the old essay dork krew.

Which is now completely gone. I didn't even know there was a Hydro until a few days ago, and I only saw his name by chance in the user list. It's a bit silly to say that someone shouldn't be in some krew, just because the members of 4 years ago were oh so much better. Times have changed, why not let the members who actually contribute to GD these days be recognised for it? Why bother having that elitist attitude anyway? What exactly does that acheive? Hell, to encourage activity in GD (which I believe it still lacking) being in the krew could be something for newer members to work toward.

Edit: I actually went away to find posts by Mohammed Jafar and Hydro that fitted the mould, and although I gave up, I only gave up because I was loving this particular thread so much. It got pretty damn heated to say the least.

http://www.nohomers.net/showthread.php?t=48230&page=2

As Kiyosuki said a long time ago, having someone that disagrees with the bulk is absolutely nessecary for a succesful forum. What ever happened to TerrorK?

[Veryjammy]

Yeah I just think if Jafar, Tibor and Hydro were still around some of his arguments would have been ripped apart

But they're not. And considering how many members of the Essay Dork Krew no longer post, or don't watch new episodes, or visit the forum infrequently but don't post in GD anymore, the Krew no longer exists in the same form it did.

And I guess this is kinda easy for me to say because I wasn't part of the group, but at the end of the day the Krews on the board are basically special stars you get on your profile. So while something like the Essay Krew might require more merit, in terms of good contributions to GD for example, it doesn't really impact on the board. It could provide incentive for people to keep posting as something to work towards, but let's not get carried away about their meaning. (Unless there's something I've missed because I'm a relative noob compared to some of the people here)

You may not think that new people who join it are as good as the old krew, but if new people don't join it will basically cease to exist anyway.

[Reverend Lovejoy]

Eh? I'm not quite sure I understand. I just thought it looked cool. XD I was also somewhat...slightly hoping someone knew where it came from. I found it on my harddrive.

Sorry, I thought you were responding to my complaint. (what with the skateboards and all)

[Kiyosuki]

I feel like I'm a pawn in some kind of massive, dramatic epic or something. lol

[Channel Surfer]

First, what Veryjammy said.

haha im fine with newer members filling our shoes. im just not sure if im proud with the way they carry the legacy (if you can call it that). and yes it is my fault. im simply too lazy to post big debates anymore. but thats because with the types of opinions around these days, i dont see it as debating. just cleanup

Problem here though is that I don't necessarily agree with this implied standard, that qualifications be measured by how well one could hold their own against the classic dorks. I mean, if that's the case, you would have been booted after all the backpedaling you had to do when I confronted you in your last thread.

That and, truth be told, you know full well that your posts, judging by your edits, have only gotten better over the years, and weren't as strong as when this first started. As is true with myself. As is true with (hopefully) everyone here, now and then.

(Also, the mentality of "cleanup" and such is something I'm hoping can be reduced. As I'm sure I said before, one of the problems with the old school dorks was that a lot of other people didn't want to have their opinions shredded all the time, limiting unique contributions. Which beyond making opinions feel all kind of the same, it meant that the only people who spoke up were either the few really dedicated members or the vastly stupid who didn't care, the rest leaving. So when just one or two of the old school essayers left, the forum really felt it, with most members left being the stupid ones - like the summers of 04 and 05. Which isn't exactly an easy trend to fix considering smart people don't usually join stupid forums, or often stay at them either. Nowadays I think the forum quality isn't as dependent on as few of people, nor quite as intimidating, so GD - and later off topic - are unlikely to sink again for that reason).

[DotheBartman]

I don't really get the griping about this anyway. A number of relatively new members like VeryJammy, Imperciph, Kiyosuki, etc. make contributions that are just as good as any of the old essay dorks' contributions. And I say that as one of those old essay dorks.

I do miss much of the old gang (Tibor, Hydro, Jafar even though he does still post a lot elsewhere), but I don't see anything inheritely wrong with the current members.

[Postmaster]

Which is now completely gone. I didn't even know there was a Hydro until a few days ago, and I only saw his name by chance in the user list. It's a bit silly to say that someone shouldn't be in some krew, just because the members of 4 years ago were oh so much better. Times have changed, why not let the members who actually contribute to GD these days be recognised for it? Why bother having that elitist attitude anyway? What exactly does that acheive? Hell, to encourage activity in GD (which I believe it still lacking) being in the krew could be something for newer members to work toward.

But they're not. And considering how many members of the Essay Dork Krew no longer post, or don't watch new episodes, or visit the forum infrequently but don't post in GD anymore, the Krew no longer exists in the same form it did.
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Yes Yes I know I know for god's sake, CS already made that point perfectly the first time, I just wanted to clarify my orginal position, I wasn't saying we can't put in new members, jeez. There's no argument.

[grissom]

Framegrab from The Simpsons Gallery from last week's episode. I just realized how Futurama-ish that animation looks.

[Sloppy Jimbo XOX]

to be honest, i just dont think the new crew has much personality (on the whole). i mean look at the recent nhc polls. all remaining essay dorks from the last "era" are as popular as ever. CS is a mod and me and jafar each won 2 awards. i just cant see these new guys attaining that kind of status

its like early 90s vs late 90s SNL. sure its good that GD isnt dead, but i dont have to pretend that im a fan of the new members just because they can spell ok, structure paragraphs and name all the characters

just looking at neb's latest defense of jerkass homer... its like reading the twisted words of a crooked politician. the way he goes so far out of his way to misinterpret something is crazy. for example: "why did homer let lisa catch the bus?" because lisa tricked him. thats not ambiguous. its a joke about homer being dumb. i mean, honestly...

[DotheBartman]

to be honest, i just dont think the new crew has much personality (on the whole). i mean look at the recent nhc polls. all remaining essay dorks from the last "era" are as popular as ever. CS is a mod and me and jafar each won 2 awards. i just cant see these new guys attaining that kind of status

its like early 90s vs late 90s SNL. sure its good that GD isnt dead, but i dont have to pretend that im a fan of the new members just because they can spell ok, structure paragraphs and name all the characters

Well, those of us old school GD dorks who are still here (though I'm not certain whether I'll stick around at the moment) have left a mark; when you have members who've been here since 2001 or 2002, yeah, they're going to be really popular as long as they did and still make good posts. I think a lot of the newer members (I'm not saying all) are just as good, but they just haven't had the time to leave the same kind of legacy yet.

I understand your criticisms of some members, but what about VeryJammy, Imperciph, et al? We still have a lot of great members, and it's not like all the old GD krew is gone anyway.

[Sloppy Jimbo XOX]

we do have a lot of good members. just none of them stick out to me in the same way the original group did. there's just no... spark. you know, that one in a million feel

also, i dont like having arguments here. or anywhere. so naturally my preference is towards users who have opinions that are closer to mine. the older group fit this template much better. heck, it even molded it in some cases

my original comment about neb being in the GD crew was simply based on the fact that i think the standard for simpsons discussion is slipping. ignoring all the factors like "well, if youre so good, post more" or that it increases revenue (or whatever) for the site, im allowed to be annoyed that he's identified as a simpsons elite. because i, by and large, disagree with him when it comes to the simpsons. and dagnabbit, im allowed to

[Nebuchanezzar]

ignoring all the factors like "well, if youre so good, post more" or that it increases revenue (or whatever) for the site, im allowed to be annoyed that he's identified as a simpsons elite. because i, by and large, disagree with him when it comes to the simpsons.

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to acheive. Ignoring the contributions of newer members in the face of eras gone by, or is it that you don't want someone recognised for their contributions because you don't agree with them? If that's the case, then that's a pretty poor attitude. Either way, nothing can be acheived by your inertia against myself and/or newer members, nothing at all.

Very little discussion can come from a group of people who sit there and agree with each other, and if they did it would be boring. Much like TerrorK was the only driving force in that argument that I linked to before (which you were absent from), without people who you disagree with there'll be very little to post about. Hell, you even said in one of those themes within The Simpsons threads that there simply can't be a discussion on a topic, that there has to be something to react to (aka, disagree with). If there's no-one to disagree with then the forum isn't exactly going to be terribly active. As in the thread above, if TerrorK hadn't been there flaunting his opinions, then it'd be a thread filled with boring crap like "yeah, I agree", and "For sure." I'd like to think that a member who causes discussion would be recognised for that contribution, instead of someone like you ignoring them because you don't agree with them.

[Sloppy Jimbo XOX]

well i like people who i agree with and dislike people who i consistenly disagree with. i think thats fair. i also dont enjoy sharing positive acknowledgment with people whose opinions i consistently disagree with. i think thats fair too

but this and any argument can now be settled with one simple statement. hands up who was voted best member over 20

[Nebuchanezzar]

Well, I certainly didn't vote for you, if that helps.

If however you assume that I'm some kind of Scully fanboy whose favourite episode is Viva Ned Flanders, who jumps in to defend Scully at every turn, who doesn't appreciate the same things within older episodes as yourself, then you're deeply mistaken. I guess you not knowing that could have something to do with your inactivity within this part of the forum.

[Sloppy Jimbo XOX]

Well, I certainly didn't vote for you, if that helps.

If however you assume that I'm some kind of Scully fanboy whose favourite episode is Viva Ned Flanders, who jumps in to defend Scully at every turn, who doesn't appreciate the same things within older episodes as yourself, then you're deeply mistaken. I guess you not knowing that could have something to do with your inactivity within this part of the forum.

i like how you just assumed that i was attacking you on the grounds that you like scully, and then used it to insult me. yeah, great basis for character assasination. uncomfirmed speculation. neb, i dont like you for the way you just posted

also, damn it. you edited your darn post after i posted so it doesnt even look like i made sense. thats another strike against you. to respond to your new post though, yes disagreements breed discussion. and terrork was a fountain of disagreement. but terrork was never recognized as a valued asset to GD

[Kiyosuki]

Alright alright you guys, this is getting ridiculous now.

In the end, its a message board. You post whats on your mind with others, and go from there. Its not a way of life. Don't you think you're taking yourselves a little too seriously?

[Nebuchanezzar]

also, damn it. you edited your darn post after i posted so it doesnt even look like i made sense. thats another strike against you. to respond to your new post though, yes disagreements breed discussion. and terrork was a fountain of disagreement. but terrork was never recognized as a valued asset to GD

I edited it a second after I posted it, and you hadn't posted a damn thing by the time it was done. It took me all of about a minute to edit it, whereas it took you 10 minutes to post. Don't blame me you fool.

Your views on TerrorK confirm my thoughts on what your idea of a valued member is. Someone who agrees with you, and someone who doesn't breed content. It's a damn good thing you're not an admin of this forum, I'll say that.

[Sloppy Jimbo XOX]

I edited it a second after I posted it, and you hadn't posted a damn thing by the time it was done. It took me all of about a minute to edit it, whereas it took you 10 minutes to post. Don't blame me you fool.

Your views on TerrorK confirm my thoughts on what your idea of a valued member is. Someone who agrees with you, and someone who doesn't breed content. It's a damn good thing you're not an admin of this forum, I'll say that.

wow. youre just rotten. we're done here

[Kiyosuki]

Well changing the subject, have any of you picked up the Lisa book and/or Krusty books that were just released? I was going to make a thread about it in the Dungeon with a few scans but I thought I'd mention it here. They sort of came out of nowhere...I didn't know they were coming out. I just randomly saw them in a book store the other night.

They're actually pretty nice. They're totally different in feel from the ones that have been released so far (for CBG, Homer, Bart, and Ralph I believe).

On the back of the new books they have a whole listing of character and other odd books they're planning on releasing. There's going to be a lot of them, including a Marital guide using Homer and Marge, a school survival book, and a lot of other character specific books. Ned, Moe, Grandpa, and Wiggum are among them.