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    Rate & Review: "There Will Be Buds" (VABF22)



    Season 28, episode 6
    Original Airdate: November 6, 2016
    Writer: Matt Selman
    Director: Matthew Faughnan
    Synopsis: Homer gets roped into coaching the kids' lacrosse team with Milhouse's dad, Kirk, who is in desperate need of a friend. When Kirk gets too clingy, Homer vents about how much of a loser he is. Kirk overhears his rant and disappears, right when the team needs him most: the championship game

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    I give this episode 5 rice sammies out of 5.
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    im telling

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    I'm changing the formatting and title so it is in line with other R&R's, if no other mod objects this can stay and people can vote or die.
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    thank u mr squid. just saw no thread 3 mins after the ep ended and no mods online and panicked!!

    as for the episode it wasnt that bad. not a laugh riot but paced reasonably well and nothing offensive. i like glassesless kirk, what a good visual. and the vaping jokes were Ace. my only major criticism is that it felt kinda clunky that the major dilemma was introduced thru a musical number. other than that i approve. 4/5

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    Quote Originally Posted by tormented View Post
    thank u mr squid. just saw no thread 3 mins after the ep ended and no mods online and panicked!!

    as for the episode it wasnt that bad. not a laugh riot but paced reasonably well and nothing offensive. i like glassesless kirk, what a good visual. and the vaping jokes were Ace. my only major criticism is that it felt kinda clunky that the major dilemma was introduced thru a musical number. other than that i approve. 4/5
    TBH I forgot there was an episode tonight between the election and normal life stuff. I didn't feel they promoted this one much. I managed to catch it due to a last minute check of FOX's schedule. After it aired I jumped on here to leave a rating and saw that nobody had made a R&R! Editing your was easier than making one from scratch.

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    Two comments I'll say about this episode is that it felt a lot like a modern spin on Homer Loves Flanders with Homer filling the opposite role as the guy dealing with the unwanted friend instead of the other way around. The musical number in the middle act also evoked Bob's Burgers vibes where they've employed the counter-balancing duet as a way to hammer home the core conflict of an episode and transition into the closing act.

    I really loved the central focus on Kirk. Hibbert had a couple great lines tonight as well.

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    Its a great episode. Homer's behavior towards Kirk, while mean-spirited, was a little too obvious, it reminded me of how he treats Ned. There were some really funny lines that I decided to post them during my live tweets. 9/10

    Also, the episode was dedicated to former writer Kevin Curran. I was excepting that. With the show getting renewed and all, I just hope we don't see too many deaths from VAs and crew members from the Simpsons.
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    Wow this is actually getting good reviews and it should air in the West Coast soon, I'm looking forward to it.

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    Literally flawless for me, I was surprised at things like the animation several times, nice musical number that ended in a unique way, lots of great little things like Homer actually being very uncomfortable in the strip club and being completely faithful to Marge with no scene implying otherwise, or the strippers caring for thier children with zero irony.

    10/10

    I remember seeing a lot of apprehension coming into this season but Ive liked pretty much everything besides the usual suspects of average, the premiere and the treehouse.
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    3/5 - too many things from too many past episodes

    470 is not on any AM receiver ("gee, you don't think that's why they used it, do you?").

    The scoreboard has the visiting team's score on the left and the home team's on the right, which is the opposite of pretty much every actual scoreboard.

    When Kirk and Milhouse are tossing the ball back and forth with their crosses, the ball changes size so it fits in the crosses of different sizes.

    Either they're playing full contact lacrosse, or the mothers are so worried about concussions that they're making the kids wear helmets anyway.

    Bart calls Kirk "Coach K" (it's also on Kirk's jacket), a nickname for Duke men's basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski.

    They put all of the kids in one room and the two adults in another...and Kirk wanted to leave the kids alone while he and Homer went out.

    Two of the strip club signs say, "Credit card statement will say 'Church Dues'" and "Warning: guy in bathroom does not work for us."

    Why couldn't somebody else coach in Homer and Kirk's absence?

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    Matt Selman for president. Seriously, his episodes feel like Simpsons episodes, driven by the characters, well told and funny. I wouldn't mind if they reduced each season to 10 episodes and let Selman run the whole thing.

    Great episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomacco View Post
    Matt Selman for president. Seriously, his episodes feel like Simpsons episodes, driven by the characters, well told and funny. I wouldn't mind if they reduced each season to 10 episodes and let Selman run the whole thing.

    Great episode.
    That's a wonderful idea. Hence why it will never happen.
    And as much as I loved tonight's episode (my 5/5 score isn't even being counted in the poll right now due to a glitch), I expect the next two episodes will be awful.

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    yeah I definitely would not call that flawless. Sure there wasn't a lot that went wrong but at least to me it didn't show off the full extent of creativity in story writing that the top Selman eps have. This certainly isn't the first time Homer has befriended some random secondary character (the aforementioned Homer Loves Flanders is a good example), and the whole Homer hates Kirk --> Kirk finds out --> Homer and Kirk make good is a bit cliche at this point. Also, the strippers inexplicably agreeing to save the day and get Homer and Kirk to the game is pretty dumb, especially considering the problem of Kirk getting trapped was only brought up a minute ago. Just seems like a pointless complication that was resolved in the stupidest way possible.

    Still, there's a lot of good stuff to be found - I appreciate that Homer and Kirk aren't just one-dimensional characters and that they actually have some conflict of interests here. Although using a song as an actual plot device to show Homer's animosity toward Kirk is kinda awkward, I'll admit the line between the two fading away to show they're in the same place is mildly clever. Speaking of the song, Dan's singing voice is still remarkably solid after all these years...can't say the same for Hank though. Kirk's singing voice makes me want to leap off a bridge

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    Yeah this was quite good. I wouldn't put it up with stuff like The Book Job, Brick Like Me, and Halloween of Horror (And for me A Totally Fun Thing but I know some people don't like that episode) but this was really solid. It's just become so obvious that Matt Selman actually respects these characters and wants to tell a story, it's getting clearer and clearer each season that he needs to show run more episodes. The characters were characterized well and the conflict was a really good and believable one that was built solidly through out. As said though this has kinda been done similarly with stuff like Homer Loves Flanders and it didn't quite wow me in a way a top-tier Simpsons episode can so I can't give it a 5/5 but as it is it's a pretty strong 4/5.

    Also this episode was the funniest of the season so far, a lot of great moments.
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    5/5 for Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, that is all. Surprising to hear them mentioned.
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    After being disappointed with The Town, I can safely say that this episode was a much needed improvement for Selman and the first genuine good episode of the season. I like how they explored the relationship between Homer and Kirk in order to tell a more character driven story and although the musical number was unexpected, it was in a good way. However, there was still some minor things that I didn't like, especially the gag with Kirk getting injured after a high five and the call back to it at the end. Also, Homer's angry mumbling was slightly annoying (and done better in The Cartridge Family) but unlike a lot of other HD episodes, he was actually a likeable character here.

    Best Scene: Marge slapping Helen Lovejoy in the face.

    Overall Rating: 3/5


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    Not a single cringe-inducing moment this week, which is incredibly rare for HD. Slightly unoriginal plot but still managed to feel fresh, probably due to Kirk being such a great and largely untapped character. Characterisation was spot on throughout, animation had life and it was far more sharp humour-wise than we've seen in a long while. Affirms once again that Selman could make the Simps worth watching. Marge's voice still detracts from any scene she's in but that's par for the course I suppose.

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    i seriously cant believe kirk just started singin in this episode and this universe now treats that voice as somewhat normal or good. shit wasnt called out and thats pretty sad!
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    Wait wait wait... Nobody mentionned the fact that at the end, Kirk said ''Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams''?!

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    So, at first I was like "WTF is this?.." then on second viewing I was like "huh this has a lot more to it then I first thought..." then on the third time of viewing I was like "Yeah, this episode was pretty decent". IMO, you may need to go and re-watch this for you to really appreciate it, it was quite funny, I've always liked the episodes that Kirk is a big part of (although there aren't that many) and this one is no exception, the pacing was good, although there were some instances that made me think 'did they rush this' but tbh thats just modern Simpsons for you.
    Lip syncing was a bit of an issue I noticed too, Homer was brilliant once again this season, Dan Castellaneta is putting in some great performances this season too, I suppose the only real downside, was probably the fact that Homer and Kirk's relationship didn't really fit, I didn't think this episode showed how much Homer really disliked Kirk quite enough, which is why the singing part felt very rushed, but i enjoyed the singing part individually it was pre funny to me, overall no where near as good as The Town, but it just pips Friends and Family. B+ 7/10 good start to the season I must say, better then season 27.
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    Decent ep

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    I really loved this episode. Solid story centering around a secondary character, that being Kirk, that we don't see enough of. A Milhouse Divided is an underrated episode with some really great Kirk moments, and I loved seeing the loser as the focus again. Sure we had other Kirk eps since then, but too many put the focus on his marriage or single life. Here, we got to see him butt heads with Homer in a really well written and directed episode. Art direction was great, as was the animation. Lots of nice little touches, like the way Homer's belly reacted to the socks being lobbed at it. The Fall setting was refreshing, and I liked the designs of the kid's uniforms as well as all the brisk weather wear various characters had.

    Some laugh out loud moments for me were “Look pal, I don’t like Kirk either, but look how much fun the kids’ heads are having!”, “Why would I want to go to a strip club? I’m married to a naked lady!” and Homer sadly looking out the van window as all the boring things passed by including the same van with a sad Homer inside it.

    Ending was great too. 5/5

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    Matt Selman deserves to be the new showrunner for 29 and 30 Seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkkao View Post
    Kirk's singing voice makes me want to leap off a bridge
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    i seriously cant believe kirk just started singin in this episode and this universe now treats that voice as somewhat normal or good. shit wasnt called out and thats pretty sad!
    um !

    also to the Selmanites part of the reason his eps are actually decent is probably because he doesn't have as much of a workload as Jean? He seems to be getting a fair amount of episodes already these days, no need to hand the whole season over to him.

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    As a devout Selmanite, I gotta say its torture that I don't get to watch this till Saturday. Good to see its so well liked, I'm sure that I will by the looks of it.

    I'd say make him showrunner and make the Simpsons great again.
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    I had a whole thing typed out, but then I lost it

    Essentially, yes, I'm also a practicing Selmanite. I do wonder if his output would dip in quality if he became full-time showrunner, but this late in the show, I say a take a chance. Jean has been at the helm long enough. Either way, knowing this was a Selman episode, I had high expectations and was not disappointed. Just from the beginning, I could tell it was going to be better than usual HD fodder. For one, I've said it many times, but I much prefer HD episodes with one storyline; the multiples always seem to have one story that fizzles out and seems pointless. The single-story episodes usually fare better. Additionally, I actually laughed more than usual at this episode, which shows that asking for an HD episode to have a decent number of good jokes is not asking too much. I agree some of the episode felt a tad familiar ("Chief of Hearts" came to mind, and "Homer Loves Flanders" as everyone has already said) but I don't seem to be complaining about repeated storylines anymore, provided that everything else is decent (which it was). Kirk is a good secondary character, and it was nice to see him in more than just "lol what a loser" one-liners. He can definitely have depth, as this episode showed.

    Things I liked/laughed at:
    -Liked the beginning, especially when all the moms tried to shove their kids in the MRI machine.
    -Participation Pizza
    -Kirk's mixtape of the same song was pretty funny
    -Thought it was cool that they referenced "Gudger College", and I laughed out loud when Kirk was revealed to have been bald even back then
    -Yeah, Marge slapping Helen was pretty sweet lol

    Things I didn't like:
    -Wasn't a big fan of Nelson's dad being brought back just so that he could be a big jerk
    -The song was whatever, but I guess felt a little out of place. Didn't hate it, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkkao View Post
    um !
    i was obviously talking about the characters in the show mr man

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    Where was the Can I Borrow A Feeling reference? Lame.

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    Best of the season so far. The only thing I didn't care for was the fact that the conflict was initiated through a song and seemed more like a throwaway moment, but other than that, it was an excellent episode. It was probably the funniest of the season as well; I had a genuine laugh at Homer's shudders at the repeated "buddy" line. I enjoy Kirk's appearances; Hardly Kirk-ing was a good episode too.



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