Terminator 3. What is this shit?

[ARMslingerJoshua]

Watched most of this on FX earlier. Seemed like an unnecessary action movie to capitalize on a franchise. Seemed a lot more simple minded than T2, and less thrilling than T1. Though seeing future-war machines in action was sweet. It was the highlight of the movie.

I just remember T1 being very atmospheric and action-packed and T2 just as atmospheric and more of a philosphical excercise on the aspects of fate itself.

And Is aw on Wikipedia they're planning on making a 4 in hopes it leads to more sequels. Meh.

[Moe Nopoly]

it was ok, but in a way only a good action movie. I guess, the expectations for a Terminator movie were higher, so the result was disappointing.

[jim]

I dont get the hate for this film. Wasnt in the league of the first two, but it was definately an above average action/sci-fi flick, with some of the best shootouts of the last decade (not that thats saying a lot). Also the effects/action sequences looked refreshingly real and non-CGI.
And considering Cameron wasnt involved it could have been much worse. The only problem I had with it is that the violence could have been a little more graphic, and some of the things that were played for laughs (such as the Elton John sunglasses and the "talk to the hand" thing) were needlessly silly.

[billi vanilli]

good movie.

[anthony]

this thread should be about how fucking lame the sarah connor chronicles are. t3 was fine

[ARMslingerJoshua]

I just think T1 and 2 are a perfect scifi duo. T3 while a passable action movie, if a little too "hollywood" just seems sperfluous.

Like the alternate reality Sarah Connor Chronicles.

[kuumuus]

i thought it was pretty good. the ambulance/firetruck chase scene was incredible, effects were awesome, and i absolutely loved the ending. aside from a few corny jokes, there was nothing embarrassing about it.

also, the official terminator 3 message board was my first board. i had over 2000 posts there. i was sooooooo excited for this movie months before it came out.

[Moe Nopoly]

i thought it was pretty good. the ambulance/firetruck chase scene was incredible

that was my favorite scene too. Looked really great and realistic.

[Drew]

this thread should be about how fucking lame the sarah connor chronicles are. t3 was fine


you sir, are insane. SCC is a great show.

[anthony]

http://www.nohomers.net/image.php?u=646&dateline=1188278383&type=profile

[Jamie]

talk to the hand

"now"

[Ignignot]

Just consider the gap between the 2nd and 3rd film? Do most films with a huge gap and than a sequel come out as solid gold?

edit: I didn't realize the huge gap betwen 1&2 but I didn't really live through those two so lets just say I was a little skeptical that they made another one way later.

[grissom]

I definitely don't think this movie is as good as the first two, but it's certainly watchable. the effects are good and the action scenes are engaging enough to carry the entire film. the plot feels rehashed, but it's not really irritating enough to detract from the enjoyment of the experience.

[nathaniel]

thread has put the third terminator movie in its place

[Gatorgod]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/gatorgod/GatorIcons/Defiant-Gator.gif I want a Terminator Vs Aliens Vs Predator movie!
after that, they can call it quites on all of them if they like

[bmac]

kuu is spot on. pretty good movie.

one of the very few movies i've ever seen the night it opened.

[blueguy]

T3 was terrible in many ways. Bad jokes. Tries too hard making callbacks to the previous movies. Way too much daylight.

The chase scene was the part that really pulled me out of enjoying the movie. T3's ability was to be able to control electronic devices, right? No amount of control of electronic devices would give her control over those automobiles.

SCC is some decent stuff, but with T4 and beyond coming up, they're just going to fuck with stuff even more. I don't see how they're going to explain these 2 events taking place at the same time. They're going to turn this franchise into The Highlander.

[You Bent My Wookiee]

It was alright. I can't see how people can seirously hate this movie though.

[Spartan]

it was solid.

[box elder]

i liked it better than the second one

[gheorghe]

i don't think i've ever disagreed more with anything than with what you just said, box

t2 is on my top 10 movies list easily

[kuumuus]

box elder has made his dislike of T2 known many times before. let's just say i disagree. it and die hard are my favorite action movies.

[grübermeister]

I saw it on T.V a while back and it didn't thrill me. Haven't seen the others yet so i can't compare but i imagine they would better.

[Drew]

T3's ability was to be able to control electronic devices, right? No amount of control of electronic devices would give her control over those automobiles.


Yeah that's way unrealistic.


Having a hot ass cyborg who is half liquid metal (who can reshape her face and increase tit size) and half advanced machine that was sent back through time in order to kill someone while battling an older model killing machine from the future is one thing.

Having the control over other machines is just implausible in this realistic thriller.

[America: Fuck Yea!]

I confess that I have never really seen T3. no interest.

I caught 10 minutes of it randomly on tv, and it looked terrible... but I can say that about many great films.

[Van Houten]

T3 was alright. The first time I saw it I thought the TX went down too easily.

The thing I remember most about the movie was the mobile phone that Claire Danes's character was using. I wanted that phone so badly for years.

[Magnum]

the terminatrix or whatever she was called was fucking retarded on every conceptual level

[Hail to the Chimp]

Terminator 3 was just a bridge to the fourth.

But it was as you say a way to cash in.
I hope the next three will be more indevidual that shows mans downfall by the machines and uprising. Reminds me abit of the Planet of the Apes series.
This is about creating a new Action hero, so they better not screw up John Connah.

[ARMslingerJoshua]

They're going to turn this franchise into The Highlander.


Too late. While it isn't as bad as Highlander, which has at least 4 different timelines, SCC has always been confirmed as a secondary timeline.


so they better not screw up John Connah.

They did that when Katherine Brewster had order control over the T-101 in T3. You know. As opposed to the logical reason of having John be in control, seeing as he's the great leader AND he's had experience since he was 13. Seems like his wife just turns out to be a bitch.

[blueguy]

Yeah that's way unrealistic.


Having a hot ass cyborg who is half liquid metal (who can reshape her face and increase tit size) and half advanced machine that was sent back through time in order to kill someone while battling an older model killing machine from the future is one thing.

Having the control over other machines is just implausible in this realistic thriller.

You're missing the point. They present the Terminators as plausible in their world, I can accept that. They say she can control electronic devices, ok, fine. Then they go and have her controlling mechanical devices. It's like if in T2 they say the T-1000 can only create simple objects, nothing complex and then have him turning his arm into a gun. It's one thing if a story can't follow it's own laws over the entire franchise, but it's absolutely pathetic when they can't keep it straight from what we were told probably no more then 30 minutes earlier.

[box elder]

well, t2's mere existence goes against the story laid out in the first movie.

[America: Fuck Yea!]

Box, you have the WRONG opinion about terminator movies.

[box elder]

i'm just pointing out a fact. the premise of the first movie was that the human's had won the war, but the machines were able to send a terminator back in time just before they infiltrated and destroyed the time machine. so it was one man vs one machine.

the second one ignored this entirely, and had the machines advance (drastically) in technology, plus send a machine to a different time instead of sending it to the same time as the first movie took place which would have made so much more sense on every level.

plus, talk about cheesy jokes. pretty much all the interactions between furlong and arnold are cringeworthy: "you don't say affirmative, you say no problemo."

fuck that movie

[BeyondBeyond]

T1 .. > ...... T2 ................. > ................................ T3

[kuumuus]

i'm just pointing out a fact. the premise of the first movie was that the human's had won the war, but the machines were able to send a terminator back in time just before they infiltrated and destroyed the time machine. so it was one man vs one machine.

the second one ignored this entirely, and had the machines advance (drastically) in technology, plus send a machine to a different time instead of sending it to the same time as the first movie took place which would have made so much more sense on every level.


i don't want to get into a dorky time travel argument, but the events of the first one created a new timeline in which judgment day arrives sooner, and presumably the machines advance more rapidly, due to the chip and arm of the first terminator that was left behind. maybe the machines sent the t-1000 back to a later date because they figured killing a kid would be much easier than killing sarah? even though it's an alternate timeline, they would know that sending a terminator to kill sarah before john is born would have a high probability of failing. because the evidence is there that they already tried it in an alternate timeline and failed.

[box elder]

yes, but if you sent the t-1000 back to the original timeline you'd have 2 terminators going after the same scared and confused woman. and there'd be no way for the humans to send the arnold model back to help her because there was already an arnold model* trying to kill her; it couldn't possibly gain her trust (in the second it gained her trust only after it had already been interacting with john and hadn't killed him). plus, if you attack people who already know from past experiences that this shit is going to happen, you end up with people who've been preparing for it, as sarah had been by the second movie.

*which brings up another point. why did the second one look exactly the same? in the first we see a flash to the future in which a similar looking robot comes in and kills people, but it doesn't look exactly like arnold. hell, if they all looked exactly the same, what the fuck is the point of trying to make them look like humans? i realize they wanted the star-draw of arnold, but christ.

[jim]

Christ Box Elder, you're starting to sound like the Comic Book Guy.

Theres no point trying to point out holes in the time-travel aspects of the film, like virtually all time travel movies there are huge logic flaws. Even the storyline to the original Terminator is a contradiction - John Connor is Kyle Reese's son. So in the original timeline John should never have existed, and skynet would never have sent back a terminator to kill Sarah, kyle reese would never have been sent back and John still would never have existed.

[Reservoir Dog]

Also travelling in time is impossible. That and all those other things

[kuumuus]

yeah there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense about all three movies. i'm willing to suspend my disbelief and ignore some of the paradoxes and just enjoy them for what they are. i don't see anything glaringly wrong with any of them to make me say they're stupid.

and box, the arnold looking terminators were all model 101s. in the second one the resistance just happened to get hold of the same model that had been sent to kill sarah in the other timeline. and i think arnold explains in T3 to john that he was sent by future john because past john would recognize and trust him.

oh look i've gone cross-eyed.

[America: Fuck Yea!]

Also, when the T1000 is sent back to protect John in early 1991 in T2, we see John is listening to Guns & Roses' "You Will Be Mine" which had not been released yet; nor, had the Use Your Illusions albums that would eventually contain it. There is no way he could have had a copy of it.

[kuumuus]

t2 takes place in 1995 sucka

[America: Fuck Yea!]

t2 takes place in 1995 sucka

haha.. does it really?

fuck.

Well, no one John's age listened to G&R in 1995, so that is also a mistake. Fuck that movie.

[box elder]

i'm only pointing out similar problems with t2 that people are jumping all over t3 for. of course there are going to be paradoxes, and that's not even my main beef with t2

[Drew]

the second one ignored this entirely, and had the machines advance (drastically) in technology, plus send a machine to a different time instead of sending it to the same time as the first movie took place which would have made so much more sense on every level.



Well, logically it would have made more sense to send the terminator back in time to kill John's great grandparents. That way they wouldn't have to deal with Sarah Connor, advanced weaponry, or vehicles they couldn't outrun.


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I hate almost everyone here's opinion about the Terminator franchise.

Can we at least all agree that T3 was an entertaining action flick, kinda like Live Free or Die Hard?

[America: Fuck Yea!]

Can we at least all agree that T3 was an entertaining action flick, kinda like Live Free or Die Hard?

oh shit... T3 is that bad?

[The Southern Zombie]

plus, talk about cheesy jokes. pretty much all the interactions between furlong and arnold are cringeworthy: "you don't say affirmative, you say no problemo."

fuck that movie

:LOL: Okay, I love "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" and it's one of my top ten favourite movies, but I have to admit he's got a point here. For all of his talents as a filmmaker, you can't deny that Cameron isn't exactly a master with dialogue...especially when he's trying to be hip with it. You shouldn't take those scenes so seriously, though, they're basically the comic relief in a movie that is quite intensely serious much of the time being about an impending apocalypse and all.

[America: Fuck Yea!]

You shouldn't take those scenes so seriously, though, they're basically the comic relief in a movie that is quite intensely serious much of the time being about an impending apocalypse and all.

Fuck that. I don't recall reading anywhere that Hitler was telling jokes in the bunker, or Kennedy yucking it up during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[billi vanilli]

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knawck knawck

[James L. Brookes]

I think the movie had less action and less of that "juicy" Terminator feel, however I woulod recommend it for that Rod Serlingish twist ending! I love how it turns out that it was not skynet and rather a bombshelter! Horray!

[al_fresco]

Sounds like there's gonna be a bunch of CGI bot fights in 4. I did like 1,2, and 3. It seemed like 3 sort of wrapped it up, while taking the effects and notoriety of the Terminator Universe to the extreme edge. So who knows...prequels...Captain Kirk and T-1000 singing sea shantys on the Poseidon with Mark Twain and Susan B. Anthony...the fate of mankind rests on one who can sing the best!

[block02]

T1 was the best of the series for one primary reason: mood. Through the entire film there is a persistent suspense factor that Arnie could attack Sarah at any given moment. Also, Arnie is a much more believable villain. And Michael Beihn gave a ridiculously underrated performance as Reese.

I will always love T2, but I can't get into it as much as the original. It feels too much like a showcase for special effects and catchphrases. And while the T-1000 is an incredible villain, his presence isn't felt as much as Arnie's was in the first film. Hell, he completely disappears for about 20-30 minutes of the film(this is particularly noticeable in the director's cut)!

I'm with the consensus that while T3 was certainly nothing special, it was an OK action flick that did have its fun moments.

[jim]

The scene in T3 with arnie walking out of the crypt holding the coffin over one shoulder and a machine gun in one hand and gunning down everything in the cemetary is imo one of the most memorable scenes of the series.

Thread inspired me to watch all three films again over the weekend. Just watched the first one. Damn, Id forgotten what an incredible movie that was. The special effects were really amazing for the time, especially the Terminator endoskeleton at the end.

[:bang:]

i agree with everything boxie has said in this thread