View Full Version : 2006 World Series: Cardinals defeat Tigers, 4-1; Buck ejaculates all over McCarver
Dead Nigga Storage
10-19-2006, 08:58 PM
football on sundays, primetime T.V. on weeknights. probably won't make even an effort to watch a game. snooze.
tigs in 5.
kevin
10-19-2006, 09:02 PM
cards in seven
yes... i went there
smyce
10-19-2006, 09:12 PM
Tigers in 7
doyle
10-19-2006, 09:31 PM
want tigers in seven, but i'm expecting only five here.
i'll try to watch on and off, but i won't make it a priority unless it approaches game 6/7 territory.
FUCK YEAH BITCHES
tigers in 5
Dewey Finn
10-19-2006, 09:42 PM
Tigers in 5. Tigers are well-rested while Cards won the NLCS hard with only one more day to rest.
Spartan
10-19-2006, 09:44 PM
tigers in four
Alan Trammell to be honored at World Series, despite the fact that his firing led to the Tigers' pennant in the first place:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061019&content_id=1718193&vkey=ps2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnered=rss_mlb
i read an article in the paper today about trammell praising the job leyland and dombrowski have done this year, saying they definitely should be manager and executive of the year.
even though he wasn't able to get the job done himself, i commend him for the class he has shown. typical of him to show that sort of class though.
kuumuus
10-19-2006, 10:36 PM
didn't know the mets lost until i read this thread's title.
al sweeps again, no one outside of detroit or st louis cares
tigs in 5, losing robertson's start in probably a 2-1 game or something.
box elder
10-20-2006, 05:57 AM
tigers in 4. scott rolen gets beamed in the face and dies.
Homer Jay
10-20-2006, 06:02 AM
Tigers in four, it would be an upset if St. Louis won two games.
gravymaster
10-20-2006, 07:37 AM
Tigers in 6. I honestly don't think the Cards are just going to roll over.
D DEBBS
10-20-2006, 09:58 AM
El Tigres in 5-St. Louis beat my Padres. My cat, Tyrant, wants to EAT Fred Bird, their mascot!
kevin
10-20-2006, 10:02 AM
jesus
DAntae
10-20-2006, 11:16 AM
better rotation goes to the tigers...like them to wrap it up in 5. 4-1 dont expect any to be one sided games.
:bang:
10-20-2006, 11:22 AM
go pirates north
Rekart
10-20-2006, 11:29 AM
better rotation goes to the tigers...like them to wrap it up in 5. 4-1 dont expect any to be one sided games.
That said, the Cardinals rotation all did pretty damn good in the NLCS. Weaver pitched two good games, Suppan pitched two good games, and Carpenter pitched two good games. The hitting is what needs to pick up.
Tigers in 6.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-20-2006, 01:11 PM
5 innings, 5 runs is a good game? carpetner pitched one above-average and one bad.
rotation is verlander, rogers, robertson, and bonderman. game 1 matchup is verlander and reyes. i don't want to get too confident, but there's little doubt in my mind the tigers leave detroit up 2-0 having seeing that.
Brent
10-20-2006, 02:35 PM
tigers in 4. everygame will be close though
Orange-Neck
10-20-2006, 02:42 PM
Tigers sweep
thecapecoddah
10-20-2006, 03:30 PM
tigers in seven :-$
tiggers in 6.
El Tigres in 5-St. Louis beat my Padres. My cat, Tyrant, wants to EAT Fred Bird, their mascot!
oh, i get it. because he is a cat.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-20-2006, 05:13 PM
wait a minute! cats can't talk!
Brent
10-20-2006, 05:43 PM
is anyone else really fucking pissed that the cardinals made it?
Dead Nigga Storage
10-20-2006, 05:46 PM
most years, with few exceptions, i end up hating the teams that make it instead of the teams i want. sometimes i already hated the teams somewhat to begin with, and end up hating them more, and that's the case with the cardinals right now. with few exceptions, i hate all teams that aren't mine to begin with (only exceptions that i can think of off hand are the marlins, astros, and indians).
smyce
10-20-2006, 05:58 PM
For me, being a Braves fan, I hated both NL teams but just hated the Mets more.
Brent
10-20-2006, 06:01 PM
spartan sends his love
who the fuck is anthony reyes and how has he retired 13 in a row
Cow Milk?
10-21-2006, 06:56 PM
7-1 Cards(sorry, originally said Tigers, dont know why)
kevin
10-21-2006, 06:57 PM
thanks for the update.
i don't know what is going on here. i've never heard of anthony reyes either.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-21-2006, 07:00 PM
oh wow. i legitimately forgot the game was tonight.
...so it doesn't matter that rolen was a good 6 feet outside of the basepath?
just saying.
kevin
10-21-2006, 07:03 PM
well, you do have to round the bases. ever tried to make an immediate 90 degree turn running full speed?
i completely understand that, and i've played my entire life, but there's no need to round the bases that much.
EDIT: please realize i'm not crying conspiracy or anything, just curious as to why that didn't come into play at all.
Rekart
10-21-2006, 07:39 PM
Says Rob Neyer in the ESPN GameCast chat: "Well, this is going back a few innings, but . . . the baseline is irrelevant in that situation. The runner can go wherever he wants if he's not trying to avoid a tag, and the fielder can't be in his way."
not like it's going to make a difference, since the tigers have looked disgusting tonight, but still. how much fucking room off the basepath does a runner need?
seriously, who the fuck is anthony reyes
Says Rob Neyer in the ESPN GameCast chat: "Well, this is going back a few innings, but . . . the baseline is irrelevant in that situation. The runner can go wherever he wants if he's not trying to avoid a tag, and the fielder can't be in his way."
so if the 3rd baseman is literally halfway between the field and the dugout (and trying to get out of the way), and the runner decides to run into him, that would be considered interference on the part of the fielder. gotcha.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
no pat, he'd be called out for abandoning his effort to obtain to the next base, as per umpire's judgment. and it's a useless point anyway. if the tigers had any interest in winning, they shouldn't have commited 3 errors, should have scored runs off of fucking ANTHONY REYES, and should have not given up 7 runs before the 6th inning was done.7.08
Any runner is out when --
(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from a direct line between bases to avoid being tagged unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball; or (2) after touching first base, he leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base;
Rule 7.08(a) Comment: Any runner after reaching first base who leaves the baseline heading for his dugout or his position believing that there is no further play, may be declared out if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases. Even though an out is called, the ball remains in play in regard to any other runner.
This rule also covers the following and similar plays: Less than two out, score tied last of ninth inning, runner on first, batter hits a ball out of park for winning run, the runner on first passes second and thinking the home run automatically wins the game, cuts across diamond toward his bench as batter-runner circles bases. In this case, the base runner would be called out “for abandoning his effort to touch the next base” and batter-runner permitted to continue around bases to make his home run valid. If there are two out, home run would not count (see Rule 7.12). This is not an appeal play.
PLAY. Runner believing he is called out on a tag at first or third base starts for the dugout and progresses a reasonable distance still indicating by his actions that he is out, shall be declared out for abandoning the bases.
alright, my mistake, thanks for clarifying guys.
who the fuck is anthony reyes?
aaaaalright national league!!! two long years
still looked bullshit for me, but i guess it's a legal play. not that it matters... the cards were the better team tonight. i guess i'd be more angry if this was a 7-6 game and that run was the winning run, but it obviously wasn't.
Rekart
10-21-2006, 08:53 PM
Reyes has been in and out of the minors all season, but he's been on exclusively the Cardinals since Mulder got hurt, pretty much. He really hasn't been that bad (started better than he finished, but who on the Cardinals didn't?) all season.
the best thing that came out of game 1 was that the tigers bullpen was able to shut the cards down, i think that could really come into play later on in this series. the way leyland has fernando rodney pitching is just amazing, anyone who saw him pitch in the last 2 months of the season knows that this guy pitching right now is totally different.
here's hoping that weaver turns into a total headcase and suffers a total meltdown, also, i can't wait to see kenny rogers and his scary eyes.
and matt, i can't speak for pat, but i knew who anthony reyes is/was, it's just really...surprising i guess (although he did 1-hit the chisox earlier this year)
yeah, i had actually heard of him but hadn't seen him pitch till last week in the nlcs. my question was more of a "i can't believe anthony reyes shut down the tigers" type thing.
i'm still very much confident though. if they can win tonight, i think they'll be back in the driver's seat.
kenny rogers doesn't seem like the type to cheat...but that would explain an awful lot.
(it looks like he had pine tar at the base of his left thumb.)
gravymaster
10-22-2006, 07:43 PM
How does this motherfucker continue to pitch this well?
Dead Nigga Storage
10-22-2006, 07:47 PM
i dunno, but this game just pisses me off because it's the battle of asshole pitchers.
kevin
10-22-2006, 07:49 PM
he always looks like he's about to attack another cameraman
How does this motherfucker continue to pitch this well?i have no idea, but i'm just enjoying the ride while it lasts.
gravymaster
10-22-2006, 08:04 PM
he always looks like he's about to attack another cameraman
I know, I think I want to fight him. His constant screaming at people makes me hate him.
I did bet $50 on the Tigers tonight though ;)
so what's the deal with yadier's eyebrows
good god jonesy, why must you do that to me?\
i thought to myself before the 9th that jones would load the bases and the tigers would win 3-2. i wasn't too far off. but a win is a win. they're going to have to do a lot better with runners on base because they aren't going to win every game when they strand that many runners though, especially in scoring position.
Dewey Finn
10-22-2006, 08:29 PM
Boy not only Rogers had a pine tar on his thumb (Tavarez, Donnelly revisited), and Sean Casey leaned into the 87 MPH fastball. It's kind of strange that they aren't doing anything to Rogers so far...
It's kind of strange that they aren't doing anything to Rogers so far...what are they going to do? how are they going to prove that it was actually pine tar since he washed off whatever it was after that inning? and i'm not saying that i condone this if that actually was pine tar, but it's hard to do anything to him if they can't prove it.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-22-2006, 08:35 PM
the rule is very clear about not having foreign substances on you, but pine tar on pitchers is generally ignored in baseball. don't ask me why, because i don't know, but it's usuaully a non-issue because it's not used to doctor the ball or a grip on it, but rather used in the same way that rosin is used...it's just that some pitchers prefer the pine tar to the rosin bag. it doesn't make it any more legal, but it is usually only dick-sticklers for the rules that make umpires enforce it because every team has a pitcher that does it. and no, i'm not trying to defend donnelly, because the guy is pretty douchetastic, but it is pretty uncommon to call someone on pine tar possession.
Homer Jay
10-23-2006, 05:33 AM
How does this motherfucker continue to pitch this well?
I remember reading something about Gaylord Perry and it said that it helped him that batters knew that he threw a spitball because they didn't know whether any given pitch was doctored or not. It makes a lot of sense, having a good splitter helps your fastball, so throwing a spitball could help your other pitches.
But he still had a major discoloration on his hand after he washed them.
It's an outrage that he wasn't tossed from the game, I guess MLB only has a no tolerance policy when batters cheat
It will also be a little ironic if he breaks Matty's record because that will mean that man who holds the scoreless inning record in a single postseason and the man who holds the scoreless inning record for the World Series both would be known cheats
box elder
10-23-2006, 06:25 AM
half the cardnals bats are on 'roids anyway. total non-issue for me.
It's an outrage that he wasn't tossed from the game, I guess MLB only has a no tolerance policy when batters cheat
It will also be a little ironic if he breaks Matty's record because that will mean that man who holds the scoreless inning record in a single postseason and the man who holds the scoreless inning record for the World Series both would be known cheats
allow me to repeat myself...
what are they going to do? how are they going to prove that it was actually pine tar since he washed off whatever it was after that inning? and i'm not saying that i condone this if that actually was pine tar, but it's hard to do anything to him if they can't prove it.
christ, even la russa didn't want to make a big deal out of it. it's understandable to be suspicious, but i think this is a non-issue. shit, rogers pitched better after he washed his hands.
EXACTLY pat, the cards had two baserunners in the first inning, if i remember right, they never had more than one during an inning except for the 9th.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-23-2006, 07:06 AM
half the cardnals bats are on 'roids anyway. total non-issue for me.name 2, and provide proof, please. totally worthless post.
box elder
10-23-2006, 07:36 AM
i'm no journalist, i'm just some dude on a message board, so no, i don't have proof to back up my half-joking post. but i will say i've always been suspicious of larussa's connection to the steroid scandal, and the odd habit players have of becoming noticeably bulkier when they get to the cards. but like i said, it was a half-joke so i'm not going to get into a big argument over it.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-23-2006, 08:27 AM
it's just that, after i brought it up in the football thread, it seemed like it was almost out of spite that you brought it up here. i haven't noticed any cardinals "bulking trend", and with baseball now having one of the more strict suspension policies in baseball, it would be a horrible idea for anyone to be trying to pull that off...especially after palmeiro ended up being crucified over it. whatever number of people on the cardinals are potentially juicing right now, there are that many on the tigers. with the exception of a team like the orioles, who have been plagued by steroid rumors for a couple years now, i don't see any one team being more steroid-exposed than any other.
box elder
10-23-2006, 08:34 AM
no, i've always had my conspiracy theories about the cardnals, so my comment had nothing to do with you. plus, i readily admit that don't know all the ins and outs, but aren't they unable (or unwilling at present) to test for HGH? palmeiro was taking the old-school hardcore shit, but most people, i suspect, are a lot smarter than that. anyway, enough about steroids. let's get back to talking about pine tar.
Homer Jay
10-23-2006, 08:40 AM
allow me to repeat myself...
christ, even la russa didn't want to make a big deal out of it. it's understandable to be suspicious, but i think this is a non-issue. shit, rogers pitched better after he washed his hands.
If a pitcher is found with a foreign substance will pitching the burden of proof should be on him to prove he didn't use it. The next time a pitcher is found with an emory board, he could simply be saying that he was doing his nails and the burden is on the other team to prove he wasn't. ESPN looked at his other starts and showed that he had the substance on his hand in them as well. This really eliminates dirt as the cause. So it was probably pine tar.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-23-2006, 09:08 AM
or it just shows that rogers has a similar tradition of mixing dirt and rosin on the mound, neither of which is a foreign substance, and neither of which was present on the mound.
smudge on rogers' hand: 1 inning
shut out pitched for: 8 innings
not justifying his action, but no one has proven a thing, and the cardinals hitters were baffled all night, smudge or no smudge. with no conclusive proof that he did anything wrong and with no change in the cardinals hitters between the "smudge pitching" and the "non-smudge pitching", how big a deal should this really be for now?
could very well be a moot point, but tim mccarver (who was the one to first point this out) was on the losing end of the '68 series against the tigers (and played there for 10 years). if cards fans can create some huge "kenny rogers is a cheater" conspiracy, i think i'm perfectly fine in creating a "tim mccarver is a douchebag" conspiracy.
go tigers
:bang:
10-23-2006, 09:19 AM
would never happen in the nfl
Dead Nigga Storage
10-23-2006, 09:26 AM
and yet, you mock me for doing something similar in the NFL thread, except i actually try to make some legitimate connection rather than worthless assertions.
and robb, on that topic, it's dumb to have the son of the cards' commentator for a billion years and a former cardinal with anti-tiger sentiment being in the booth to begin with. this is a national game. it's one thing to have biased douchebags calling the regional games, but it's bullshit to have two cards fans/anti-tiger guys in the booth for national coverage of the biggest series of the year. i don't want to hear excitement for pujols' homer and then disdain at monroe's. they're bad enough when they're neutral. they're godawful when their fanboys.
and robb, on that topic, it's dumb to have the son of the cards' commentator for a billion years and a former cardinal with anti-tiger sentiment being in the booth to begin with. this is a national game. it's one thing to have biased douchebags calling the regional games, but it's bullshit to have two cards fans/anti-tiger guys in the booth for national coverage of the biggest series of the year. i don't want to hear excitement for pujols' homer and then disdain at monroe's. they're bad enough when they're neutral. they're godawful when their fanboys.
thank you. it means so much to hear that from somebody "unaffiliated" with this series. i can't begin to describe how much i'm bothered by mccarver's homer tendencies. give me vin scully or something goddamn.
just curious, what are you thoughts on monroe?
Dead Nigga Storage
10-23-2006, 10:32 AM
he's entering his prime right now (technically already in it, actually), and he's a good young athlete, but i think you've pretty much seen him maximize his potential. i can see him maybe throwing it all together for one blow-up year a la adrian beltre (although not quite THAT extreme), and then him returning to earth to post above-average numbers. he's definitely got the power, but he needs not to swing so hard and so often. the guy's OBP is lower than a shitload of other guy's batting averages. but that's also a detroit tigers' problem in general. it might just be the hitting coach, who i don't know enough about. like i said though, he's definitely got pop, he just needs to work pitchers a bit harder and maybe explode for a great year or two.
yeah, i've been a big fan of his since he came here (i know i listed granderson in my favorite athletes thread, but monroe's right there too), and it seems to be the consensus around here that he's ready to be a .270/30/100 guy year in and year out. all he really needs to do is have a somewhat decent first half, and he'd be way above that. 85 rbis out of primarily the 7th spot is pretty good, but so is the whole bottom 3rd of our lineup. matter of fact, he reminds me alot of willie horton, and willie even says that himself in his book.
Rekart
10-23-2006, 01:20 PM
thank you. it means so much to hear that from somebody "unaffiliated" with this series. i can't begin to describe how much i'm bothered by mccarver's homer tendencies. give me vin scully or something goddamn.
Well, McCarver is a dumbfuck all the time, Cardinals or not. His "homer tendencies" are more just dumbfuck tendencies. And Buck's favoring of the Cardinals over anyone else is overblown and exaggerated. Like he said in an interview, you almost always like one team more than the other in EVERY game, it's part of the job to ignore that, and he doesn't do that bad of a job.
Fuck the commentators anyway. I don't care who is commentating the game. I don't need the a commentator to get excited about a home run. It doesn't matter. Buck isn't an FSN regional commentator, and he does a far better job than them, and that's all I care about when it comes to commentators.
Roarke
10-23-2006, 01:30 PM
when you're raised on vin scully, you hate all other annoucers as uneloquent biased goofs.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-23-2006, 01:32 PM
maybe you're not hearing it because of your personal leanings rekart, but i can (for once in my life) profess to being a neutral party on the matter. i hate/like/am bored by both teams equally. buck is bad. VERY bad. he's a shitty commentator when he's not biased, but in watching the series with new york, buck nearly creamed his pants on pujols' homer in game 5. valentin hit a 2-run double earlier in the top half of the inning that basically was met with a "there's a fair ball down the line, and two will score" in a somber, upset voice. in this series, it's much the same way. i understand they're going to like one team over the other, but fox has done a VERY unprofessional job by putting 2 normally-second-rate commentators into the booth with both carrying a clear favoritism for one team over the other. you may not need the commentators, but the casual fan deserves better than having two cards fans in the booth calling the shots. they both have strong cardinal ties, and they bleed through constantly.
edit: said it a billion times, but i don't get this whole liking vin scully thing. seriously.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-23-2006, 02:20 PM
That's pinetar. Don't tell me otherwise:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/knlevine/Pinetar2.jpg
Homer Jay
10-23-2006, 02:28 PM
maybe you're not hearing it because of your personal leanings rekart, but i can (for once in my life) profess to being a neutral party on the matter. i hate/like/am bored by both teams equally. buck is bad. VERY bad. he's a shitty commentator when he's not biased, but in watching the series with new york, buck nearly creamed his pants on pujols' homer in game 5. valentin hit a 2-run double earlier in the top half of the inning that basically was met with a "there's a fair ball down the line, and two will score" in a somber, upset voice. in this series, it's much the same way. i understand they're going to like one team over the other, but fox has done a VERY unprofessional job by putting 2 normally-second-rate commentators into the booth with both carrying a clear favoritism for one team over the other. you may not need the commentators, but the casual fan deserves better than having two cards fans in the booth calling the shots. they both have strong cardinal ties, and they bleed through constantly.
edit: said it a billion times, but i don't get this whole liking vin scully thing. seriously.After trying to pay a little more attention to what he says outside of his biases, I can see why McCarver became a national announcer, unlike Joe Morgan, he actually tries to keep up with all of the teams and does know a lot about the game. I still think he his most effective when saying that this is a good situation for hit and run etc. But he hasn't been that good in a number of years and really should have been let go a number of years ago when he started to lose his abilities.
when you're raised on vin scully, you hate all other annoucers as uneloquent biased goofs.
i think in this sentence the phrase "vin scully" is interchangable with "ernie harwell", and vice versa.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-23-2006, 02:41 PM
as an angels fan, i'd like to point out that i was raised on SPARKY ANDERSON, NOT REX HUDLER. robb can surely have some respect to pay for that man.
definitely. during spring training sparky was asked what his prediction for the world series was, and he said "tigers over the cardinals in 5". pretty amazing when you think about the fact that he said that about a tigers team that wasn't supposed to win more than 85 games.
kevin
10-24-2006, 08:47 PM
well carpenter pitched as well as or even better than rogers. if suppan can pitch as well as he did in game 7 of the nlcs, this could get ugly for detroit. their lineup has looked average this series.
when your team's highlight of the game is a double play by neifi perez, that sure does say something on how horrible your team played. i was truly disgusted watching this game tonight.
when your team's highlight of the game is a double play by neifi perez, that sure does say something on how horrible your team played. i was truly disgusted watching this game tonight.
Fuck baseball with a pointy stick.
the tigers lineup was lethal when they were taking pitches. all i ask is that they at least try that whole approach tonight.
i was doing a little research earlier, and found this to be pretty interesting. in all of the tigers/cardinals world series ('34, '68, '06) the cards won games 1 and 3. in 34 when the tigers lost, they won game 4, and in '68 when they won it all, they lost game four. i'm not exactly sure what the whole point of this little blurb was about, but i did find it pretty interesting.
i'm not exactly sure what the whole point of this little blurb was about, but i did find it pretty interesting.
the fact that this series is far from over...
i still believe the tigers can still win this thing, although, by the looks of things, it's going to probably take the full 7 games if that's going to occur. they proved earlier in the playoffs that all they need is momentum, and they still have the weapons to get this done. and i still fail to believe that jeff suppan is a great pitcher; with bonderman on the mound, they should be able to win tonight.
anytime this rain feels like stopping would be great, there's only so much war at home i can stand.
smyce
10-26-2006, 07:05 PM
Every person in St. Louis seemed to have the witty genius to make a "Hot Soup-On a Cold Night" sign. Nice work St. Louis.
kevin
10-26-2006, 07:11 PM
no worse than zoom-maya
omg he throws fast what a great pun
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 07:25 PM
st. louis stole the red goatee thing from anaheim with spiezio. nonetheless, it was douchetastic BOTH times it was done. we get it. he has facial hair.
playoffs always bring out the face painting, mask wearing, sign making fan-tards
so buck just made the claim that "most relievers aren't strike out pitchers".
ridiculous.
smyce
10-26-2006, 07:54 PM
He said most "middle relievers" arent, which is a true statement.
well, most of the cards' relievers aren't strikeout pitchers. obviously to him, the cards are the only team that matters.
rodney is my nigga
smyce
10-26-2006, 07:58 PM
Yeah my Detroit Tiger fan buddy always says "bring in the nig" referring to Rodney and Im certain he has no clue the guy is Domincan.
He said most "middle relievers" arent, which is a true statement.
oh okay, i was really hoping that i didn't hear him properly, but since when was rodney a middle reliever?
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 08:04 PM
He said most "middle relievers" arent, which is a true statement.no it's not. 66% of the 50 league leaders in holds (ie, the middle guys for a given team) had k/9 rates of 7.20 or higher.
yeah, the top two of the tigers "middle relievers" (zumaya, rodney) had k/9 ratios of 10.58/9 and 8.16/9. hell, jamie walker even had 6.94/9.
smyce
10-26-2006, 08:17 PM
What about the rest of the middle relievers? Im sure your top notch pitchers are gonna get their K's.
no it's not. 66% of the 50 league leaders in holds (ie, the middle guys for a given team) had k/9 rates of 7.20 or higher.
^^^ i'd say that pretty much explains it.
kevin
10-26-2006, 08:22 PM
Yeah my Detroit Tiger fan buddy always says "bring in the nig" referring to Rodney and Im certain he has no clue the guy is Domincan.
he's still black. still a nigga.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 08:24 PM
that's 50 guys...50 for 30 teams. that represents about half of the middle reliever crop...the guys who actually are full time middle relievers. and when buck makes a statement like "middle relievers aren't K guys", he's certainly not referring to the bottom tier of guys who get relegated to mop-up duty and almost never pitch. each team has 2, at most 3 regular MIDDLE RELIEF guys. if all of the upper half is dominated by K-type guys, then that pretty much sets the norm. when you talk about middle relievers, you're talking about the ones who contribute, and the ones who contribute are striking people out. 38% of the top 50 major league starters (games started) broke the 7.2K/9 barrier. buck is an idiot, and this can just be categorized with the rest of his idiocy.
and apparently he doesn't know how to field a simple bunt to first. jesus fucking christ.
smyce
10-26-2006, 08:28 PM
actually, you said 66% of the top 50. So that would only include around 33 or so pitchers. If every team has 2-3, that would be around 80 or so. So 33/80, quick gorilla math would be around 42%.
Im not denying Buck is an idiot, just saying I think he was right in that one instance.
for fuck's sake. it isn't that hard to field a ground ball guys.
gravymaster
10-26-2006, 08:32 PM
That was AWFUL.
That was AWFUL.
add in a few expletives, and that was my exact reaction.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 08:36 PM
actually, you said 66% of the top 50. So that would only include around 33 or so pitchers. If every team has 2-3, that would be around 80 or so. So 33/80, quick gorilla math would be around 42%.
Im not denying Buck is an idiot, just saying I think he was right in that one instance.33/80 would be assuming that not a single pitcher in the bottom 30 has a K/9 over 7.20, which isn't true.
simple point is exactly what i just said in that post:
top 50 starters: 38% K/9 over 7.20
top 50 middle relief: 66% K/9 over 7.20
and, again, if you say "middle relief pitchers are not K pitchers", then you are very obviously referring to the middle relief pitchers who, well...pitch. the ones who pitch (the top 50 hold guys, a list which is, not coincidentally, almost identical to the top 50 IP guys) have good K rates...the majority of them anyway. 66% of the major league relief pitchers who actually DO the work are doing better than 7.2/9. 38% of the starters who do the regular work are hitting that mark. simple explanation is that middle relievers work 1, 2, maybe 3 innings tops. they can throw harder for a longer period of time. same reason all closers are better K/9 pitchers, too. shorter times to pitch = harder, more arm damaging throws = more Ks.
holy shit the bats woke up
kevin
10-26-2006, 09:00 PM
man... good game. back and forth.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 09:11 PM
so yeah, basically the worst team to ever make the playoffs is gonna win the world series. man, i'm glad the giants are 4-2.
robb is still > rekart, though.
god damn it, if there's any good here, it's that in 1968 (tigers vs. cards) the cards won games 1, 3, and 4, but the tigers won the series in 7. i really hope that happens again.
weaver vs. verlander tomorrow, should be one helluva game if verlander has his mechanics in check and his "good" stuff.
what could have been if rodney hadn't have thrown that ball away...
the errors have to stop if they're going to have even the slightest chance of coming back to win. all these fudamental plays they're fucking up are doing them in. winning close games was one of the main things that got them to this point in the first place, and they couldn't come through when it mattered the most. this sucks.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 09:22 PM
also, jeff weaver winning a world series ring, regardless of who you are a fan of, is a tragedy of EPIC proportions.
amen.
also, i'd probably propose to leyland if he floated that way, i'm listening to his press conference right now and the man is simply amazing. handled the inevitable curt flood question brilliantly. i'm not too worried yet.
http://www.ultimateyankees.com/Jeff_Weaver_Biting_Glove.jpg
thecapecoddah
10-26-2006, 10:17 PM
so yeah, basically the worst team to ever make the playoffs is gonna win the world series.
but arguably the best team of this decade
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 10:19 PM
decade starting october 21st, 2006?
thecapecoddah
10-26-2006, 10:26 PM
ok, who would you say is the best team of the 00's so far? at the very least the cards would be one of the top three.
it's a little silly to think a team with pujols, edmonds, rolen, and carpenter were never going to win a title.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 10:34 PM
they're not even the best CARDINALS team of the 00s. edmonds is a fading star, and previous teams had larry walker, matt morris, a jason marquis that could PITCH, and woody williams.
they're a good team, but i wouldn't take them over the '00 yankees, '01 d-backs, '02 angels, '03 marlins, '04 red sox, or '05 white sox. they are a team that, like all of them, got hot during a timely stretch. they played in the shittiest division in baseball in the "AAAA" league, and still managed to play .500 ball for a season. if they manage a good streak at the right time, it's good a world title, but certainly not "best team of the decade" status.
to answer the question, it really does depend on the definition of "team". the best TEAM in terms of clubhouse chemistry, player interaction, etc...it's tough to rival the '02 angels (OMG biased), but that's because their team was built around a core of timely veterans and youth projects with clubhouse leaders that people always claim they'd "love to go to war with" (erstad, kennedy). in terms of PERSONNEL, it's probably the '05 or '06 yankees, but we saw how much that means. the best combination of both was probably the '03 marlins. leaders like pudge and lowell, and stars like cabrera, penny, beckett, willis, lowell, lee, and pavano. they're the team i'll say i'd want to play the least in a 7 game series. but maybe i'm crazy.
thecapecoddah
10-26-2006, 10:42 PM
ah, you misinterpreted my comment. I meant that they've consistently been one of if not the best team this decade (to further clarify, the yankees or braves were the team of the 90's).... clearly this '06 version isn't their best.
if there had been a poll conducted before (or immediately after) the 2004 world series asking "will the st. louis cardinals win a world series this decade?" the majority would've obviously said yes.
I love this tigers squad, but a st. louis world series triumph had to be expected sooner or later.
but who knows, maybe they'll choke after all.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-26-2006, 10:49 PM
i see what you mean now. yes, the cards are probably the most consistent team of the 00s (honorable mentions: twins, angels, yankees, red sox).
the braves get no credit from me for anything. the 90s were basically the dismantling of the 80s era mets and the perennial doormatting of the expos. add to that an expansion team (albeit, one that didn't waste time winning) with one of the worst owners in recent memory without ties to hitler, and a phillies team that almost imploded post-world series '93. the idea of the braves winning so many divisions in a row is a FAR greater testament to the shittiness of the other teams than it is to the greatness of the braves. yeah, they had glavine, maddux, avery, and smoltz, but what did it add up to? 14 straight divisions, and they had one title to show for that? the braves should be more remembered for their postseason chokes than anything else. hell, they won the division 14 times in a row, and didn't even have the most world titles in their DIVISION during that stretch. pathetic, really.
I love this tigers squad, but a st. louis world series triumph had to be expected sooner or later.
agreed, but i wouldn't have thought that triumph to occur this season. i'm not sure if anybody did.
i remember the beginning of the season when i expected the tigers to be a .500 ballclub this year. a team that would use this year to get back to respectability. i figured they would use this season to lay some groundwork for perhaps a run at the division next year. never in my wildest dreams did i think they would be in the world series this year. even if they do come up short... yeah, i'll be disappointed that they've come this far and didn't win it all, but it's still been a season to remember.
Rekart
10-27-2006, 02:05 PM
I was at the game last night. Last minute notice that my dad got some tickets (for free, at that.) It's a bit disconcerting when the stadium noticably shakes (without much happening,) although I assume they made it that way on purpose. It was the slowest game I've ever been to, without question. Neither Suppan nor Bonderman was great, but neither was bad either. I couldn't believe it when Granderson fell over, and I haven't seen a replay of it, so I have no idea WHY he fell over.
Obviously a great atmosphere. It's not as big of a difference here as it may be in some other places (it's always a great atmosphere at Busch, everyone is always into the game,) but it was still noticable. And it was a great game too, which doesn't hurt.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-27-2006, 02:10 PM
or maybe your fans just suck at being MORE enthusiastic for playoff games. anaheim has been consistenly rocking since '02 (fucking bandwagoners) but EVERY stadium should be twice as good for playoff games. and lose the spiezio goatees people, they're gay and they're stolen from marginally less gay people.
Mayor Quimby
10-27-2006, 03:44 PM
Rekart was that the first playoff game you have ever been too? Also it seems every good baseball team has to have some weird ass kind of facial hair. It might now be a requirement.
Rekart
10-27-2006, 05:01 PM
and lose the spiezio goatees people, they're gay and they're stolen from marginally less gay people.
What can I say, they only show those fat women wearing Spiezio goatees on TV. It's dumb as hell and has been all season, and I don't know anyone who likes it except for those fat women and little kids.
And I don't think that's the problem. I have no idea about stadium-shakeage in normal games (the only other tickets I've had were 4th or 5th row from the field, that part doesn't shake,) and the fans are obviously louder and more into it during the playoffs, but I don't know about twice as good. I guess a good comparison would be the opening act at a concert vs. the main act. People are paying attention the listening to the opener, some more than others, but everyone's focused once the main act gets on stage.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-27-2006, 05:03 PM
dude, it was a joke. don't worry. (even if the "cardinals fans are the greatest" thing is pretty overstated, as far as fanbases go).
and i see way more 10 year old girls with the red fuzz shit as if it's cute. we get it, he has facial hair.
Rekart
10-27-2006, 06:44 PM
Well, I'll let the kids get away with it. They don't know any better. I blame the parents.
Rekart
10-27-2006, 08:29 PM
Hey, how about that 3 game sweep.
Oh wait.
http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/buckcostas.jpg
I LIVE FOR THIS!
well... at least i don't get to hear "defending world champion" white sox bullshit anymore.
camelenchilada
10-27-2006, 08:31 PM
My counselor must be very happy right now.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-27-2006, 08:32 PM
http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/buckcostas.jpg
I LIVE FOR THIS!
DOUCHEBAG OVERLOAD.
http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/joebuck.jpg
http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/joebuck.jpg
http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/joebuck.jpg
kevin
10-27-2006, 08:35 PM
well... at least i don't get to hear "defending world champion" white sox bullshit anymore.
hey!
:(
Dead Nigga Storage
10-27-2006, 08:36 PM
i dunno...cardinals as defending world champions...that's pretty bad. and 83 wins is pretty insulting.
Dewey Finn
10-27-2006, 08:41 PM
Boy I do remember when Cards had 7 game losing streak.
Congratulations to new champs: Cardinals, wish you were there:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/photo/photogallery/darryl_kile/retro/01.jpg
Anyone expecting for D-Rays next year??? Wait a minute...
http://nssahalloffame.com/Joe_Buck_2004.jpg
slam-a-lama ding dong!!!
tones
10-27-2006, 08:44 PM
CONGRATS CARDS WHOOOOOO :(
i'd almost prefer the tigers not making it the world series after seeing horrible play after horrible play. quite possibly the worst played world series i can remember. well at least i'm old enough to remember the 1984 series.
sean casey came to play, but apparently nobody else.
oh, the midget played his balls off too... hats off lil buddy.
camelenchilada
10-27-2006, 08:46 PM
Nice car.
tones
10-27-2006, 08:47 PM
now that i lose my bet i have to gayly wax my eyebrows :gay:
camelenchilada
10-27-2006, 09:00 PM
What a touching closing video package.
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2004/12/28/inside-rudy.jpg
You seem to have ejaculated over me, Joe.
http://images.sportsnetwork.com/nfl/getty/2005/madden_michaels.jpg
Looks like Joe Buck got excited to the point of... sexual excitement there. So he ejaculated, Al.
Spartan
10-27-2006, 10:02 PM
i lol'd
fuck you cards. fuck you fuck you
FUCK YOU
mike_donnelly
10-27-2006, 10:33 PM
I heard they are officially the lowest winning regular season champions. Is that correct?
Dead Nigga Storage
10-27-2006, 10:36 PM
yes. they blow. we know.
kevin
10-27-2006, 10:38 PM
yeah
mike_donnelly
10-27-2006, 10:46 PM
they are always just throwing around stats and records, I'm never sure which ones they mean seriously or are just saying off the top of their heads. It's quite interesting teams doing this now, Steelers came from the wildcard position, and Miami Heat's regular season record wasn't great, I think maybe teams will realise it's all about just scraping in and saving your best for last. We may see a lot more resting of star player's. Any thoughts?
Dead Nigga Storage
10-27-2006, 10:49 PM
my thought is that you don't know how to use apostrophes.
and every team knows that you have to do well at the beginning and not the end. i think that's been the status quo since pro sports started.
Rekart
10-27-2006, 10:54 PM
Yeah, because you know how much the Steelers and Cardinals rested their star players in those last games of the season. :-X
mike_donnelly
10-27-2006, 10:59 PM
It doesn't really work in football, 1 or 2 games maximum is all you could rest the stars, and you would need a damn good record to be able to do that. I'm just wondering if anything can be read into this. Why are team's who don't put up great numbers in regular season getting the trophy's?
Dead Nigga Storage
10-27-2006, 11:20 PM
learn the fucking apostrophes, dammit.
and you can't site a couple of examples and expect there to be some kind of massive trend that can be explained with any kind of exact reasoning. it's not even consistent. years past, the patriots won, and they were always good. the 2005 white sox had 99 wins, the 2004 red sox were very good all year, the 2003 marlins were very good, and so were the 2002 angels, who won 99 games. stop reading into it.
kevin
10-27-2006, 11:21 PM
because they get hot at the right time. i don't know why you don't understand.
mike_donnelly
10-28-2006, 01:27 AM
stop reading into it.
i apologise for trying to make conversation on an internet message board. I didn't say it was a huge trend, just that the last 3 pro sports winners have gone to this type of team - one which hasn't dominated the regular season.
congrats cards.
all i can say is thanks for what was really an amazing year, something that'll definitely stick with me the rest of my life.
apparently verlander didn't realize throwing to 3rd on the same damn play is a horrible idea. props to whoever had the sign that said "hit it to the pitcher".
thank god sean casey was on this team, otherwise last night and tonight would have been completely unbearable.
:( i'm really bummed out right now, but i'm so glad i was along for the ride.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-28-2006, 01:35 AM
the heat had better than a .600 winning percentage, so toss that shit out the window.
and you said that teams should "realize" that they have to start playing differently, which pretty much implies you think it is a noteworthy trend. it's not.
Homer Jay
10-28-2006, 05:01 AM
Congratulations St. Louis.
There is no doubt in my mind that they have passed the 87 Twins as the worst team ever to win the World Series. Look at their record, their league and their division. I wonder the last time that there was a bigger upset in the World Series. This also raises the question of whether they were the worst champs in any professional sport
thecapecoddah
10-28-2006, 06:26 AM
This also raises the question of whether they were the worst champs in any professional sport
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/readers/champions/worst.html (espn readers)
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/championteams/worst.html (espn)
the letters about the pats are hilarious since this page was made before they became a dominant team
Homer Jay
10-28-2006, 06:47 AM
Those lists are problematic because they don't really focus on the teams that won, they focus on the teams that they beat. And there's still an incredible bias towards recent teams with the exception of the Hitless Wonders which only seemed to be included because they beat what might have been the greatest team in baseball history. They avoided picking a team like the 69 Celtics who finished in fourth place in the East, simply because they were the Bill Russell Celtics, but included a very similar team in the 95 Rockets
thecapecoddah
10-28-2006, 07:06 AM
http://home.comcast.net/~ewirtanen/pooholes.png
I see that the albert pujols robot has nearly been tweaked to perfection
kevin
10-28-2006, 09:41 AM
yeah, he'll probably end up being the greatest ever. 250 homeruns in his first six seasons? jesus.
Dewey Finn
10-28-2006, 09:51 AM
Not only that he has been consistent since his first year, he's also very ethical and lives by Bible way, and also donated millions to the patients diagnosed with Down Syndrome.
He needed one more home run this year to match up his strikeout numbers, jesus
thecapecoddah
10-28-2006, 10:46 AM
and what does the greatest human being alive think of the 83-win cardinals?
"No, it doesn't cheapen the World Series," New York Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter said during a midweek awards ceremony at Busch.
"It goes to show — I think we won one time with 80-something wins. Like I've always said, time and time again, the best teams make it to the playoffs, the hottest team wins," he said. "So it doesn't really make a difference what you've done in the regular season."
Dead Nigga Storage
10-28-2006, 12:12 PM
wait. what does the bible have to do with the greatest player ever? meh, forget it.
the 2000 yankees had 87 wins, but that's because they just underperformed during the season.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-28-2006, 02:03 PM
http://deadspin.com/sports/st.-louis-cardinals/and-if-you-hate-the-cardinals-210829.php
WHERE'S YOUR MESSIAH NOW?
kuumuus
10-28-2006, 02:23 PM
i hope scott spiezio dies a horrible death for his abysmal stint with the mariners. i'd say no player was more responsible than him for the team's downfall in '04. also he's a huge douchefag.
dns you should've saved the shit i said in chat before the world series. boy was i wrong! this was easily the worst world series i never watched.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-28-2006, 02:31 PM
what stuff was that? i don't remember shit about shit from this world series. i seriously have not even seen one second of video, live of highlights, from it. the closest i came was a photo of sean casey mid-swing as he hit a home run in one of the games because it was on the front of a sports page.
scott spiezio is an angels hero, but i can't stand his douchetasticness with any other team.
kevin
10-28-2006, 04:56 PM
spiezio is in the mold of pierzynski... you hate him unless he's on your team, in which case you love him. and in some cases you still hate him.
Rekart
10-28-2006, 05:46 PM
Like in my case. And then there's Weaver, who everyone hates. I don't think it's a coincidence that no one likes him in ANY of the cities he used to play in.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-28-2006, 06:15 PM
spiezio is in the mold of pierzynski... you hate him unless he's on your team, in which case you love him. and in some cases you still hate him.spiezio's only douche attribute is the goatee. he's nothing like pierzynski, who is more hated among players than barry fucking bonds. i've never heard people legitimately hate spiezio for the person that he is...just for facial hair and other bizarre personality quirks.
Homer Jay
10-28-2006, 06:16 PM
Kind of like the reason I dislike Millar, only Spiezio can actually do something
late to the party, but whatever. congrats to the cardinals, the better team obviously won the series. like i said a couple pages back, i can't help but feel disappointed that the tigers came up short, but at the same time it was a great and unexpected ride.
tigers bias aside, that was one of the worst world series i've ever seen.
Dead Nigga Storage
10-29-2006, 10:36 PM
and will go down in history as such.
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