NBA Offseason (oden likely done for season after knee surgery)

[Curtis]

Shawn Michaels in his 40s is still better then 90% then the fucking roster. He has been wrestling with a fucked up knee and still outperformed everybody.

EDIT: Oh shit wrong thread, I'll add that I think Portland made out great because a C-PF rotation of Greg Oden, Lamarcus Aldridge and Channing Frye is awesome.

[Gabbo]

yeah, or really unfixing it at this point. had he kept that '03 core of nash, dirk, finley, and van exel and added a competent big i think dallas would have won in '04 or '05. i'd keep last year's team in tact and let them grow. maybe add a vocal veteran or something to take some pressure off dirk.
true, but if we hadn't have gotten rid of them, we probably wouldn't have howard or harris. i wouldn't blow shit up like some people were suggesting, but i would make a few moves. i'm not sure what i wanna do exactly, but maybe a vet would be our best bet...or a center that isn't an ape. as long as we keep howard, i'm pretty much ok with anything.

[Cole]

i'd go after antonio mcdyess if i was cuban. although he opted out of his contract with the pistons, it still sounds like he'd like to resign with them ... so it would cost to get him to dallas but cuban doesn't seem to mind playing footsie with the cap. dallas' problems seem more mental than anything. i'd add two aging stars that want rings and have some swagger remaining.

i got it. get avery to become a player/coach. or maybe just a player and drop the suit against nelly if he'll return and coach in dallas again.

[Gabbo]

i got it. get avery to become a player/coach. or maybe just a player and drop the suit against nelly if he'll return and coach in dallas again.
i am all for this.

[Curtis]

Per local news, Rashard Lewis signs 5 year 75 million dollar deal with the Orlando Magic.

[mike_donnelly]

that's a MAGIC-al front court

[kevin]

shut up.

helps orlando out a lot, even though the price is pretty steep. if they can resign darko milicic, they'll have a pretty good young foundation.

[Curtis]

To sign Rashard they had to renounce Darko Milicic's rights so he is an unrestricted free agent. I think Rashard is a really good player but the Magic desperately needed a shooting guard not a small forward. They signed Hedo Turkoglu to a long deal two years back and no one will take him in a trade, plus they have young small forward Trevor Ariza who had some great games last year so right now they got a cluster fuck of small forwards. I'm guessing they will play Rashard at power forward. Redick is not a legit starting shooting guard and will be exposed on the defensive end.

C: Dwight Howard / Tony Battie
PF: Rashard Lewis
SF: Hedo Turkoglu / Trevor Ariza
SG: J.J. Redick / Keith Bogans
PG: Jameer Nelson / Keyon Dooling / Carlos Arroyo

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Yeah. Fuck.

[DAntae]

lewis is soft though. guy has height and can post up any 2 or 3 in the league, yet he likes to just settle for jumpers. sonics got a couple of studs in the draft so no real biggie.

didnt cuban have this lawsuit going on before the warriors beat the mavs ass?

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Yeah. At least Lewis is leaving the conference.

Anybody know why Darko is being touted as a hot item this offseason. I just don't get that.

[DAntae]

because if you project his numbers as a started based on what he did last year you got a guy who could give you 18 pts and 8-9 boards. hes also a very very good shot blocker. he doesn't leave his feet, he uses his reach really well.

of course who knows how he will go, but hes not as much of a risk now as he was when drafted. in a couple of years he is going to be a great #2 guy, his size and potential are still something people in nba management can get excited about.

[kevin]

he's only 22. that's the same age as a rookie who finished all four years of college.

[DAntae]

anybody else like the comments made by bogut. the guy is spot on with what he said.

[sacrelicious]

anybody else like the comments made by bogut. the guy is spot on with what he said.
If you are talking about the NBA is filled with "bling guys" who like to "spend lots of money" comment, then yeah he is spot on, even if it is a little bit of an overgeneralization. I met Bogut once on campus (U of Utah alum both of us), and he seems like a really with-it guy, so he probably isn't just talking bad about the NBA players out of spite.

I also have some close connections to a D-league player who tried out for several NBA teams, and is still hoping to land a spot, but in meeting various NBA players it seemed to him that a lot of them are happy they get millions of dollars for working (relatively) little, and like to flaunt the fact they have the $$ and others don't.

So, yeah, seems true enough, even if I am sure that not everyone in the NBA is like that. Lately it seems like more of an NFL thing to do though.

[DAntae]

its clearly a generation thing, and I know all guys arent like that, but damn if the majority arent.

[xander biscuits]

Does anyone know Kadour Ziani? I don't know much about Basketball, but I have seen a couple of videos of him which looked cool. Wondering what the general consensus was on him from Basketball fans. 5 feet 10 inches with a 56 inch vertical leap

vD65kV73n9c

[DAntae]

xander, I heard his name mentioned on a few basketball sites, that vertical is incredible. the word is he is a tremendous athlete, a decent skill set, but not really fundamental. I would assume at his height hed have to play the point position. how is he at handling and distributing the ball?

also grant hill goes to a team that makes sense. suns get more quality depth and another guy who can set up others and still score a few baskets when needed. hope he finally gets his shot at a ring.

[xander biscuits]

I think that he is not even a professional player. I think that he is just a street ball player and exhibition player. But I have seen a video of him kicking a bar 9ft 9 inches in the air. So I would guess that he lacks a lot of the skills to be a big name player, but makes the most of what he has got with exhibitions and the like

[Cole]

hate so say it because i like the guy, but what's the over/under on grant hill actually being healthy and contributing come playoff time? i was going to make a joke about him injuring himself signing his contract but all of the lines i thought up were cruel as hell.

i'd take that gamble if i was the suns, though.

[Gabbo]

i'll go with him being injured for the suns first playoff game of next year. and cole, you should have made the jokes, cruel or not. i never really liked grant hill anyways.

also, i'm very interested to see where some big names will end up this off-season. first time in a while i've actually been excited about that.

[DAntae]

with hill its not a gamble, guy is getting damn near the veteran minimum. just a small amount over. even if he only plays half the season, as long as you have him down the stretch and heading into the playoffs then things will be fine. he looked pretty good last season. you got to hope by now he understands his body and will know when to take a night or two off as to not tweak anything.

kobe apologizes to mitch, bleh. more excited about the possibility of fisher returning to the team. he knows the triangle, plays great defense and hits open 3's. its a huge overhaul if it happens, and thats not counting anything else they might do to improve the roster.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Fisher would definitely help LA. With the whole sick daughter thing it's hard not to root for the guy no matter where he goes. Too bad we don't have better doctors up here - we could use him.

[DAntae]

its just a ridiculously rare kind of cancer. I think pretty much everyone who followed the league for the last 10 years or so already liked him. always a professional, and more importantly a mediator. the mainstream loved him once they heard of his daughter's story. guy is going to end up a coach or a gm down the road, he might be one of the 5 smartest players of the last decade.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

DAn - what do you think about Yi not wanting to go to Milwaukee? I understand why he feels that way, but I hate that kind of whining by an athlete. Probably the main reason I've never respected Francis or Webber.

[DAntae]

personally I think its weak. he made comments about wanting to go to a major market, but then backed off those before the draft. milwaukee is a good place for him to start. because if he is a bust, wouldnt you rather fail with a small fan base watching you. its all about his government and money and that shit.

francis and webber were just bitches to the umpteenth degree.

[Cole]

i hope yi is an absolute bust.

i hope francis realize that the market for him ... well, there's not much of one anymore. look at the elite point guards of the league. francis is way down that list.

hill may know his body ... but that shoot in seven seconds offense in phoenix requires the most in shape athletes in the league. i don't see him staying healthy.

[DAntae]

up-tempo may get hill in trouble, but he can always play on the wing and not be the finisher. lot less chance of injury there. I just like hill too much to not want to see him do good. even when injured he worked harder at rehab than most guys play. lets just hope it works out for him.

bucks have no intnetion of trading yi...ahahaha. personally I love it.

lakers chinese guy might not make the team this season, but I did a little reading and video watching on him. had no idea he was so tall, heard it but didnt believe it. he shoots well, plays a lot like parker. always attacking the basket, just needs to strengthen up. he got over 10 assists a game in whatever league he was in.

[Cole]

i like him more than most former duke players. actually, i think he's the only former duke player i like.

[Gabbo]

i hope yi is an absolute bust.
i went out to smu the other day to watch the chinese national team play the mavericks d-league and yi looked terrible. he was slow on defense, turned the ball over a lot and wasn't playing inside his game. it was like he was trying to prove himself and was trying crazy turn-around jumpers and fadeaways. he just looked terrible, and it was against a d-league team.

[aoife]

I just had to say, Joakim Noah is a horrible faggo.

[Spartan]

shut the fuck up

[Cole]

http://www1.sf.tv/piccache/webtool/data/pics/sportmehrsportartikel/bb_nba_joakim_noah_szq_w173_h_m.jpg

[DAntae]

thread has been stuck on noah pics too long, we all know he is an ugly motherfucker. he is just too easy of a target.

oden to foul out of 40 games this season.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

No way. 20-25 tops.

[DAntae]

I figure go big or go home my friend.

[Cole]

yeah, oden is definitely going to have to keep out of foul trouble or else, uh ... fuck it ... http://www.hard-wood.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/joakim_noah.jpg

i can't help myself. two to three more tops, and i'll have it out of my system until insane regular season pics emerge.

i say oden is in some kind of foul trouble (going to the bench early, missing key stretches) in over 55% of his rookie year games.

[DAntae]

just wait until we find some pics of noah bent over in front of danny ferry, errr I mean any other nba player.

oden needs to learn to not leave his feet so much, watch tim duncan to learn this.

[sacrelicious]

oden needs to learn to not leave his feet so much, watch tim duncan to learn this.
I think you can learn everything about being a big man in the NBA by watching Duncan. :thumbsup

[kevin]

oden was in foul trouble a lot in college so he will have his problems at the pro level as well. but he will learn over time. guy's still 19 for christ sake.

[DAntae]

yeah but hes been playing his whole life, point is he shouldnt leave his feet. yeah he will get better, still can pump fake him out of the arena though.

[DAntae]

grizzlies picking up darko, and that got him at a good price point.

yeah the magic need a guy like lewis, but hell if they didnt overpay. no way in the world that dude is a max contract player.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Surprising lack of dismay here over Lewis leaving. He's a great guy and a good shooter for a tall guy. That's about it. Very curious about what the Sonics will do with a $9m trade exemption. I'd love to see them use it on a PG, but who's available right now? Other than Steve Francis, I mean.

[DAntae]

yeah its tough to find a point now, fisher is apparently going to sign with the lakers. at least that is what is being heavily reported.

[sacrelicious]

Fisher back to LA is good news if you are a Lakers fan. I think going to the Lakers is mistake though for just about everyone in the NBA.

[DAntae]

nah, its still a great place to play. even if most of people agree that kobe is a dick, he has a load of friends in the league. his way of going about things has been ridiculous, but you got to love the fact that he wants to win. they need to find a bruiser to score inside, not monster numbers but someone who can at least hold his own. then bynum can develope while playing backup minutes.

or get bynum and odom out and bring in someone who can help now. same stuff I have been saying for months

[nkair23]

its would be great to see dfish back in a laker uniform, its a solid pick up but if they want to contend in the west they need to bring some one else who can just come in a make a huge impact..dfish is just a solid player..not a allstar

[Cole]

i don' t know what to think about the seven game suspensions for artest and jackson.

both have a checkered history, but i'm still not sure if i like how strict the league is becoming.

[kevin]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/07/14/bc.bkn.bulls.smith.ap/index.html

he's basically pj brown except a bit younger and a little more post up ability. solid pickup to fill the 4 spot until tyrus is ready to start every game.

[DAntae]

joe smith will fit in nice with the bulls. he wont ask for shots, another guy to rebound and play pretty good defense. still doesn't address the low post scoring they need, thomas has been killing people in the summer league...but ya know, its the summer league.

[Cole]

i hope yi is an absolute bust.
... even more so now. bucks better not trade him. it'll fuck the league up.

yi will improve in china ... surely, since he shot about 25% in the summer league. bucks will bring him over eventually. better for both. like someone mentioned on around the horn, the expectations for the bucks are pretty low at the moment so they can afford to wait and maybe pile up some more lotto picks in the process.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

If Yi sits out this year, isn't he eligible for the draft again next season or something like that?

[:bang:]

wizards still have the rights to a spanish player they drafted in 2002

[DAntae]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/14530

heh. :)

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

"I'm not just thinking of doing it, I'm going to do it,"
Italy's gain is the NBA's loss.

[Cole]

marbury still claims (or did as recent as last year) to be the best point guard in the nba. truth be told, he won't be the best point guard in italy with those fiba rules and whatnot.

the mental image i have of marbury learning italian is so fucking funny.

[DAntae]

once he converts to catholocism then we know its going to be really good.

its funny, if he wouldnt have been a greedy bitch and stayed with the twolves...under the guidance on and off the court of garnett, those guys would have a title or two perhaps.

[mike_donnelly]

will he still be selling his cheap shoes?

[DAntae]

who knows or even cares about the shoes?

'franchise' is back with houston. he took less money to go there. guy is still a talent, but he needs the ball in his hands, and so does mcgrady. there is the problem, unless he is ok being the 3rd option on offense, because yao is a legit scorer, maybe even the teams first option since he causes such matchup nightmares.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Sonics get Kurt Thomas from the Suns, basically as part of the Rashard Lewis deal. Well, we needed a veteran. I usually prefer my centers to be taller than 6'9" but this beats the bunch of kids that we had playing center.

[:bang:]

who knows or even cares about the shoes?


to me the shoes are the only likable thing about marbury

[DAntae]

a pair of chucks is all anyone needs.

I blame jordan and to a lesser extent dee brown.

[kevin]

uh

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/ian_thomsen/07/30/garnett.trade/index.html

dude's way ahead of himself in saying the celtics are headed to the finals

[thecapecoddah]

http://www.celebopedia.com/boston-celtics/images/boston-celtics.jpg

celtic pride restored, 7-30-07

[thecapecoddah]

oh boy ainge traded away the team for KG.

thecapecoddah (7:14:31 PM): jefferson, gomes, green, telfair, ratliff, and two draft picks being reported now
Rob0Coppola (7:22:03 PM): what the fuck?
Rob0Coppola (7:22:11 PM): so are we going with a 3 man roster?
thecapecoddah (7:22:33 PM): yes, 2-man at times like nba jam


oh well, will be a fun season ahead anyway

[kevin]

celtics sell their future for a shot to lose to the western conference in the finals. interesting

i still see the bulls, pistons, cavs and heat being better. counting on three players who have already logged a ton of minutes in their careers to carry the load all season doesn't sound like it'll work too well.

[mike_donnelly]

who's going to get the ball? I suppose that's what was the thought about the Nuggets, and Iverson/Anhony seemed to handle it, but 3 shooters?

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

I think it will work out well for the C's. I still think Garnett is one of the best players in the league, and with real help he can lead any team to a first round win if not more.

[Curtis]

Awesome starting lineup for the Celtics but they have serious bench issues. I think they still have there mid level exception of 5.3 mil and bi-annual exception of 1.83 mil. They need a backup center, small forward and a veteran point guard badly.

C: Kendrick Perkins
PF: Kevin Garnett / Brian Scalabrine / Leon Powe
SF: Paul Pierce / Brandon Wallace
SG: Ray Allen / Tony Allen
PG: Rajon Rondo

[kevin]

haha wow. they are basically a three player team now. unless they get some help before the season starts, they are going to tank when those big three start to run out of gas.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

wow. i can finally come out of hiding for a season.

[doyle]

yeah, so can i.
actually though, i don't love this deal as much as everyone else. this gives them at best a 2-year window for a championship, i think. i just don't see it happening.

[Cole]

thecapecoddah (7:22:33 PM): yes, 2-man at times like nba jam
hahah. yeah, i mean, i'm going to actually watch celtics games on my nba ticket now. but, there's a pretty small window for this team even though they are an elite team in the east right now. overnight. that's pretty nuts.

[:bang:]

so after losing the lottery, the celts said 'fuck rebuilding'. awesome

best players give them rebounds, slashing and shooting. should be interesting

everyone gets better, the wiz stand pat. fuckers

[DAntae]

I forgot all about the cletics getting ray allen, for some reason it slipped my mind. overhaul, huge one. window for making things happen is like 3 years. have it green guys.

danno just read gilbert's blog and you will be happy again.

[thecapecoddah]

wow. i can finally come out of hiding for a season.

DNS and new englanders nba thread invasion :bang:

in any event it's damn good for the nba to have a relevant, contending team in the northeast once again


http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0731/nba_ap_celtics_trio_412.jpg

tremble with fear at our three man team!

[Curtis]

Heat are still going to wax that ass though. Shaq at 70 can school Kendrick Perkins. Allen is still an offensive weapon but his defense won't be nothing against Wade. Haslem can cover Garnett and limit him somewhat and you guys got no bench. I also would say that Detroit and Chicago are better. Bulls are going to be even better then last years squad.

[kevin]

bulls
pistons
cavs
heat
celtics
raptors
wizards
bobcats

those are the eight east playoff teams, in order as i see it now. and yeah i just picked the bobcats to make the playoffs

[Curtis]

Bobcats are solid.

C: Emeka Okafor / Primoz Brezec
PF: Walter Herrmann / Sean May
SF: Gerald Wallace / Adam Morrison
SG: Jason Richardson / Matt Carroll
PG: Raymond Felton

Emeka is a defensive force as well as a great rebounder. He reminds me of Alonzo Mourning but with not as good as an offensive game. Still good for 15 a game though. Herrmann exploded at the end of last year dropping 20 point games left and right. Dude can shoot the ball. Gerald Wallace is another defensive force and superb athlete. JRich will contribute with his offensive skils and Felton brings it all together with his great point guard skills.

[kevin]

yeah they've quietly gotten better each season. plus they have jrich now so how can i root against them

[brentholomew]

i agree with kevin except probably replace the bobcats with the magic

[Curtis]

eh, cut it. I like Dwight, Rashard and Jameer but after that its shitsauce city. There C-PF rotation is Dwight, Tony Battie and Marcin Gortat. Yeah... and they have no 2 guard. JJ is shit and will get killed if he starts.

[robb]

i know i don't come in here much, but wow, i'm excited to see how this trade works out. twolves still won't be worth a shit, but i really like gerald green, it's kinda sad to see him waste away there.

[Roarke]

hey danno, is there such a thing as a shark attack?

[mike_donnelly]

with the talent available, there should be at least one, if not two or three, pro sports trophy going to boston now.

[Roarke]

have you thought about working for espn?

[Dead Nigga Storage]

he didn't slip in a reference to new york in there, so no.

[Spartan]

hoo boy

[mike_donnelly]

what i was trying to say was that red sox and patriots are both favorites, and I'm pretty sure by acquiring these 2 players, the celtics will be amongst the favorites. not sure about bruins.

[thecapecoddah]

all of those new england teams have their weaknesses (especially the bruins.. ugh). the celtics are going nowhere if rondo doesn't develop into a decent PG and if tony allen doesn't come back 100% after his recovery from a torn ACL.

if tony allen does come back healthy and performs like he was doing pre-injury, he'll be a fantastic 6th man.

the change in vegas odds for the celtics to win the NBA championship in 07-08 was ridiculous... they went from 90-1 to 9-1. obviously there are many western conference teams better than them, but they have a decent shot at winning the east if rondo, t. allen, and a couple of their no-name bench guys have a solid year.

[Curtis]

They signed Eddie House he is a good shooter and not a true point guard more of a shooting guard. But he is undersized. You guys added a little bit of depth at 2 guard but you still desperately need a backup point guard.

[thecapecoddah]

well they weren't going to go into the season with telfair as that guy. I may not be a fan of him, but the C's will probably pick up brevin knight.

also since minnesota has like 17 or 18 players on their roster, look for them to cut ryan gomes who will then re-sign with boston.

[Curtis]

They would be dumb to cut Gomes. Gomes is a good player definitely worth keeping. If that happened Celtics would be fine cause Gomes can play any front court position.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

there are a handful of teams out there right now over the roster size, so the celtics will probably be able to just pick up someone's scraps and assemble the remainder of their roster that way. teams like the sonics and timberwolves are 5, 6, or 7 guys over. i can see gomes being cut pretty easy from the t-wolves now that they picked up half of the '06-'07 celtics roster without really clearning anything off.

and fuck brevin knight. what are the C's trying to do, help pay off their luxury tax with social security checks?

[Cole]

i think letting go of gomes was the biggest mistake in that trade. i don't see the twolves giving him up. he really has the potential to be a difference making sixth man. boston clearly improved in the short run, but with the right coaching staff, the wolves could have a future. finally.

[tones]

who's coming off the bench for the celtics?

[thecapecoddah]

http://nbadraft.net/profiles/largepics/gdavis02.jpg

[Cole]

i forgot about big baby. who is going to run the point? i assume rajon rondo is the most qualified currently on the team .. but, i don't see him as a championship caliber point guard. i believe the celtics still have a mle, so maybe they can go after a decent player to run the point. brevin knight is a guy who i think would thrive as a compliment to the big three in boston.

so, dan, what do you think about the lakers showing interest in cwebb? i think he'd be a better fit there with a younger team than in dallas, who really needs a vocal vet more than a guy who seems convinced he's still in his prime. in funnier rumors, the spurs and suns are said to be fighitng over pj brown. 38 year old pj brown. he's not ideal for either system, but the image of a run and gun suns with hill and brown on the floor makes me laugh.

[Rene Gades]

i like the knicks.

not to win the championship or even do 'well' in the playoffs, but i think they will do far better than last year. watching most of their games this past season, they lost a lot of close games, and were constantly plagued by injuries by key players like lee and curry. if they can stay healthier this season i think that they will do a lot better. keep in mind that they have a relatively young team (players like nate robinson, lee, etc.) and i think they will 'mesh' better next year.

on the other hand, they might just be a disaster again. i just hope that they redeem themselves sometime soon.

[:bang:]

hey danno, is there such a thing as a shark attack?
only if a shark bites you while you are chillin at home

[DAntae]

way too much celtics discussion, lets talk about something that matters, you know the way marbury is going to tell telfair to watch his back around mchale.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

how about we talk about the kobe bryant dRaMa-RaMa power hour?

[doyle]

or reggie miller

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Reggie? I guess he really wants a shot at a ring. Can't blame him, but I always like guys who stay with one team for their career and going to the C's would seem a bit traitorous to me.

[DAntae]

how about we talk about the kobe bryant dRaMa-RaMa power hour?

nah that shit and anything about him is pointless. just my hate for those green bitches makes anything more appealing. might as well sign oakley while your at it boston. get everybody who never won a ring a job. nique is so going to call.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

maybe we can find out if gary payton and karl malone are interested in doing it with a realteam.

[DAntae]

I love how the celtics make like two good moves in like 20 years and your enjoying it sooo much. truth is they got a great shot at the east, but again so does everyone. not a chance in hell they can compete with the best the west has.

of course you know boston has to make it to the finals to find that out. its an unattractive place to play to most current players. this 2-3 year blip wont have much impact on that.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

i'm enjoying mocking your lakers and that faggot phil jackson more than i am enjoying garnett or allen.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

maybe we can find out if gary payton and karl malone are interested in doing it with a realteam.
Yeah but GP got his with Miami. I'm not saying they were a real team, but he did get his.

No, this calls for an-out-of-retirement-out-of-the-booth Charles Barkley comeback.

[kevin]

haha i love that a huge chunk of the last generation of stars never won a ring. makes me laugh

[DAntae]

i'm enjoying mocking your lakers and that faggot phil jackson more than i am enjoying garnett or allen.

yeah a guy with 9 titles is worth mocking plus hes nailing a better piece of pussy than any celtic or even you will ever sniff. as for mocking the lakers, yeah I get that...even as a fan I am not too far off from doing it myself.

[kevin]

any more phil bashing and i'm going to start shooting

[DAntae]

I like that scott will bring some trashtalking to the thread.

clippers are a bit fucked, brand missing the start of the season, but that not also the type of injury that heals quickly. dont rush him back clipps.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

i don't care what the fuck phil has to his name, especially since he was practically handed every championship he ever got...even if he's the greatest coach the NBA ever knew (and he ain't), he's still a colossal faggot. if you DARE defend his "zen and the art of..." bullshit, i will rape everyone that matters to you in life. i can't stand that "using up my good energy" shit. what a fucktastic homosexual.

i actually do like the clippers, though. :-X

[kevin]

"handed every championship he ever got"

ok

[DAntae]

the zen philosophy stuff is bullshit, but thats not what got his teams to win. he is the best at playing the us against them card. always rode refs and got the big calls. yes he has had incredible talent, but the lakers had a much more talented team before he arrived. he built his teams around the triangle and great defense. guy even won in that other league (ewwww). the guy gets results everywhere, cant see how you can dismiss that.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

i didn't say he was a bad coach, so why the fuck are you trying to persuade me that he is? i acknowledge him being good.

what i said is that he's a faggot. that's not up for debate.

now let's talk about red auerbach, or start riding david stern's ass to start the season early so i can have real material to work with here.

[DAntae]

stern isnt looking to good these days. having refs involved with gambling scams during the time you were worried about dress codes and the ball being slippery doesnt look too good.

saying a guy was handed his titles implies he is a bad coach.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

no it doesn't. all it implies is that his worth cannot be determined.

and i'm not even going to say that, because 1) it's not true, and 2) it's fucking trash talking because you said the celtics didn't matter, and i had to lash out as i am trained to do.

can we talk about how dirk is never going to win a ring or something? the mavs are a fun team to laugh at and shit on.

[DAntae]

especially considering their coach. actually I like avery johnson, but still feel he didnt deserve the job when he got it. I think dirk and the current mavs will still have big regular seasons but their playoff title window closed. they need to retool at center (now) and make harris the full time point. move terry to the two and get howard more touches.

who's the celtics point guard anyhow?

[Dead Nigga Storage]

open tryouts start tomorrow.

no, seriously. rajon rondo.

[DAntae]

title hopes bye bye

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Ah, they will get somebody half decent at point by January at the latest.

[thecapecoddah]

its an unattractive place to play to most current players.

aside from the cold winters, horrible roads, and lack of casinos, I disagree about it being an unattractive place. sports stars such as adalius thomas, randy moss, junior seau :oldman:, curt schilling, david ortiz, josh beckett, alex rodriguez back in late 2003, kevin garnett, and possibly reggie miller :oldman: have all shown that they'll come to/stay in boston knowing that each franchise has an ownership that cares about winning and that they'll be playing in front of a very passionate sports town. and each franchise's ownership will spend lots of money if needed to make their team a winner. that's pretty attractive if I say so myself.

this 2-3 year blip wont have much impact on that.

and I disagree about it being a 2-3 year blip. unless ray allen's ankles give out immediately, there is no dead weight anymore on the celtics' roster and no truly horrible contracts. ray allen's contract expires in 2010, which allows them to go after another big-time player or multiple solid players. paul pierce's contract expires in 2011, allowing them to replace him if desired with another all-star. kevin garnett's contract expires in 2012. no, the celtics are currently not as good as several western conference teams, but they've positioned themselves to be a relevant playoff team for years to come (especially if rajon rondo & tony allen develop into solid players).

oh, and DNS arguing on my side for once is a blast. I'm sure you'll enjoy a long season with him disagreeing with you at every turn, dan, cole, and others.

[:bang:]

aside from the cold winters, horrible roads, and lack of casinos
you left out the raging racism

[thecapecoddah]

hahah actually I was gonna mention that. racism & the city hasn't been an issue in attracting stars for years now. for example, even the tigers' gary sheffield wanted to play for boston in 2007 but was blocked by his old team in new york.

anyway, back to basketball.

[:bang:]

...and its been an issue for the celts up until this year

[thecapecoddah]

I really don't know how you can say that since I don't recall the celtics ever attempting to sign a black free agent whose talent was similar to KG's, never mind being rejected by a free agent whose reasons may have included the perception that boston is racist.

so what are the reasons all-star free agents haven't come to boston in recent memory?

A) the celtics haven't been willing to spend money on them
B) the celtics haven't had money to spend on them
C) the celtics have sucked since the early 90's

[:bang:]

uh, neither jesus nor kg were free agents

[thecapecoddah]

christ. okay, I don't recall the celtics ever attempting to trade for a black all-star whose talent was similar to KG's, never mind a trade being rejected by a black all-star whose reasons may have included the perception that boston is racist. happy?

KG... or his agent... supposedly declined a trade to the C's earlier this year because the celtics still would've been a subpar team with him (and without ray allen), and he preferred a trade to an instant contender like phoenix.

I'm not denying that racism was an issue for boston's baseball team, because it was for several decades thanks to tom yawkey. but the celtics? no way. red auerbach, who succeeded with the league's first all-black starting five and later on with a few white hall of famers in the 80's, only cared about the color green.

[:bang:]

was rumored as a reason for jermaine oneil and shawn marion

[mike_donnelly]

Reggie? I guess he really wants a shot at a ring. Can't blame him, but I always like guys who stay with one team for their career and going to the C's would seem a bit traitorous to me.

nobody does that anymore, I thought it was looking like Iverson and Garnett would do that, but not even them.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

I know. :(

[mike_donnelly]

who is next to be longest with the one team? I would guess Tim Duncan or Kobe.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

Kobe since 1996, Duncan since 1997, Pierce since 1998...they're all pretty long term. Hard to say for sure, but i'd say their order of probability of staying with their current teams for their entire career is:
-Duncan
-Pierce
-Bryant

[DAntae]

eric I wasnt trying to dog out boston, well not as much as it seemed. look at where free agents have gone since the early 90's. even when boston has offered more than others, time and time again guys turned them down.

a guy deciding to play for the red sox or patriots is far different from a guy wanting to play for the celtics. there is a stigma attached with playing for the celtics.

the 2-3 years is how long I think they have a realistic shot at competing for a title. the east has teams with young up and coming guys. garnett is the guy I expect to fade first, he has a load of mileage on his body. I think he will be strong for about 3 or 4 more years, after that he wont be the same presence. team is built to win now and next season. after that, meh.

[thecapecoddah]

even when boston has offered more than others, time and time again guys turned them down.

if you say so, I just don't remember these potential trades & signings. those kind of rumors are typically reported and discussed in-depth in this area.

and yeah of course with their current roster the next two years would be their best shot, I'm just saying that down the road in 2010, 2011, and 2012 they will have the resources to go after more big-name players to replace allen, pierce, and garnett.

[:bang:]

just seems strange that no black free agents ever want to come to a team with such a rich tradition. i dont think that the team is racist as much as the city is, russell and parrish have both talked about it before. hopefully kg and jesus can change the reality/perceptions :MrT:

[DAntae]

you have to call him shuttlesworth. geesh

[thecapecoddah]

jesus's old team in seattle has 60 days to reach a deal on a new arena or they're headed elsewhere

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2972255

[kevin]

bleh. just get a deal done and keep them in seattle

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Clay Bennett must die.


AKA - can somebody loan me $350 million? I'll make you an assistant coach.

[gravymaster]

http://cache.deadspin.com/images/2006/04/gregoden.jpg
"Hey, where da white women at??"

[Spartan]

she doesn't look a day over 17.

[DAntae]

Clay Bennett must die.


AKA - can somebody loan me $350 million? I'll make you an assistant coach.

no dice. head coach/gm so I can show that the job cant be done when guys wear more than one hat.

[:bang:]

she doesn't look a day over 17.
story i read had him at like 14 in that picture, so i bet she's not

[moleman31]

any bulls fans agree that JOE SMITH is not the answer to our post problems? Looks like another playoff loss this year...especially with the new Celtics

[brentholomew]

considering the market, it wasn't a bad move. at least they did something. actually, i expect them to be more consistent this year

[moleman31]

he's a slight upgrade from PJ last year, but he has no real offensive post skills. He has a nice jumper though.

[kevin]

no fucking way a deep and experienced bulls team loses to the celtics in a grind it out seven game series. detroit or cleveland maybe, but not boston.

and i like joe smith and think he was a perfect pick up

[DAntae]

he's a slight upgrade from PJ last year, but he has no real offensive post skills. He has a nice jumper though.


when did joe smith get a jumper? he has never had one, not even in college. he gets points off putbacks and the occasional drop step baseline move.

[moleman31]

joe smith's been nailing the baseline jay for years now

[DAntae]

in what universe. if by nailing you mean airball then yes. guy has always been a garbage scorer, nothing bad about putbacks, but he never worked at his offensive game, teammates from college have even said that.

[DAntae]

team usa looked about as good as they could. just hope they play with the same agression during the olympics.

shaq getting divorced. clearly kobe is to blame somewhere.

[varybarry]

Yeah their intensity seemed to be the biggest problem in the last Olympics. I hope we can see them make a dominating run in the next one.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

I won't bother making a new thread, but I caught the second half of the women's finals last night - good game.

[Gabbo]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A0WTeS_NfOlG7UQBMgC8vLYF?slug=aw-oden091307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

hahahahaha

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

I got your number one pick right here.

[DAntae]

I would laugh but I feel for the guy. sounds a lot similiar with what happened with amare. hopes he heals quickly and has no lingering effects afterwards. aside from being over-exposed the kid has been a pretty model citizen. doesnt brag on himself and seems to have always put team first.

[thecapecoddah]

he might just be more fragile than anyone thought...... I've got a bad feeling about his future.

[DAntae]

yeah what a way to start off a career. agains hes young and has talent, lets hope for the best. I want to see a dominate big man again (other than howard), even if its mostly on the defensive end. how much shorter is that one leg compared to the other? enough to sort of cause this type of damage?

[kevin]

usually i'd laugh at something like this, but this is bad for the game. i hope he can come back at full strength and lead the blazers to many nba finals. where they will lose. to the bulls.

[DAntae]

good way to end the post kevin.

while it sucks hes out this season, the doctors see no reason for a full recovery, and it was nowhere near as severe as amare's was. on the plus side if that exists, portland will be sort of medicore again this season. they will be fun to watch but without established low post scoring from randolph I cant see them getting more than the mid 30's in wins...this means a chance at the lottery again and a chance to add another potentially dominant player. sort of like how the spurs fell ass first into duncan, only this time both the blazers guys will be young.

[:bang:]

good point on the draft. bummer otherwise

[Moe Nopoly]

I'm sorry for odem. Would have liked to see him in the league.

[moleman31]

I was looking forward to watching Oden. The Blazers will start LaMarcus Aldridge instead though, and I think he will have a good year. Their team is still pretty solid with Brandon Roy (he has Wade potential IMO) leading the team.

[kevin]

aldridge was going to start anyway. now they have to start channing frye or some other turd at center. their team still has potential but they won't even come close to the playoffs playing in the western conference without oden.

[thecapecoddah]

oden talks about his recovery, apologizes for not blogging

lODrd5gt69Q

[DAntae]

heh. dude is way too much of a standup person. blazers nba champs 2011?

[morbot]

This Sonics thing is such a clusterfuck... the new owners obviously never intended to keep the team here & now are trying to move out early. Looks like the state is gonna fight to keep them here.

I hope they have to stay til 2010, and I hope fans boycot them. Merchandise sales will go to shit & I hope attendence drops like a rock. I mean... I really wish they'd stay... it's bullshit some outsider can just come steal your team away... but since it's gonna happen I hope we drain the owners pockets for a few years (which doesn't matter since they're mega wealthy... the team will lose money in Oklahoma they dont care... real money is in buying/selling teams, not operating them)

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

It's a tough call. I'm going to try and see as many games as possible this season because I might not get another chance. I hate that Bennett will get my money, but at least it won't be much as I aim for the cheap seats.

[kevin]

its pretty fucking gay how they're just abandoning seattle, but what happened to the fanbase? the city was basketball crazy in the 90s.

[DAntae]

fact: shawn kemp got all the ladies pregnant and thus pissed off all the male fans.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

He smoked all our stuff, too


Seriously, I have to look at two deals that led to the loss of fan support - the Kemp/McIlvaine/Baker love triangle that cost us our most exciting player in his prime, and the loss of Nate McMillan as coach due to Portland's $875 trillion dollar offer. One led to worse play, the next led to lousy coaching that of course led to lousy play. Keeping Kemp probably would have kept fan support high enough to re-renovate Key Arena to the liking of the bosses. Keeping Nate would have done the same.

[DAntae]

yeah but keeping kemp would have meant you would have had an overweight guy who couldnt contribute in a couple of seasons. baker was pretty great his first couple of seasons with seattle. I remember he and payton became fast friends, then the alcohol and slef doubt creeped in.

[kevin]

yeah kemp's career went to shit when he went to cleveland

and gary payton...does he even play for the heat anymore? i don't remember him getting any minutes when the bulls swept miami last year.

[thecapecoddah]

wikipedia sez - Payton's friend and teammate, Alonzo Mourning has stated that Gary Payton will not be returning to the Miami Heat for the 2007-08 season - although neither Payton nor the team has publicly expressed those sentiments (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2937820).

[DAntae]

ah. I thought riley said a couple of weeks ago that he wasnt bringing payton back, and is shopping williams heavily. alonzo mourning is never wrong though, never. chesapeake in the house

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

GP should try to get on with the Boston Geezers, or come home to Seattle so we have something to be happy about.


BTW - lost luggage deliveries this month include Lenny Wilkins (again) and Detlef Schrempf.

[DAntae]

DETLEF was soooo awesome.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

He was pretty damn good at drawing fouls.

[DAntae]

yeah he had that awesome lean in move. he could shoot from anywhere on the court, good passer and underrated at handling the ball. he had defensive issues, but show me a european player who didnt at some points when in the nba.

[DAntae]

guess it was bound to happen. figured since he was discussed in so many trade scenarios he would get tired of the organization. still don't see him being shipped out, the suns are title ready for the next couple of years.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3036829