NFL Thread (RIP Bill Walsh)

[pat]

Lions to go 16-0 and Jon Kitna to win the MVP.

But seriously, with training camps in full swing and preseason starting in a little under two weeks, it's time for a new thread to kick off the new football season. Why not begin with some pointless predictions.

NFC
North: Bears
South: Panthers
East: Giants
West: Seahawks
Wild Cards: Eagles, Falcons

AFC
North: Steelers
South: Colts
East: Patriots
West: Chiefs
Wild Cards: Broncos, Dolphins

Carry on. Packers/Vikings hate talk is encouraged.

[Cow Milk?]

NFC
North: Bears
South: Panthers
East: Giants
West: Seahawks
Wild Cards: Cowgirls, Cardinals
AFC
North: Steelers
South: Colts
East: Patriots
West: Broncos
Wild Cards: Bengals(will start slow but end hot), Dolphins


Giants over Colts

[:bang:]

afc:
south: colts
north: wardhelmetspalomalululululu
east: fins
west: kc
wilds cards: broncs, ravens

nfc:
south: panthers
north: bears (meh)
east: skins
west: cards
wild cards: cowboys, bucs


noricerocketkrew 102, deadskins 2
http://www.proflagsandbanners.com/images_products/10455_big.jpg
LETS MAKE IT SIX :party: :bang: :chug:

[DAntae]

afc north-steelers/bengals (toss up)
afc south-colts
afc west-broncos
afc east-pats

nfc north-bears
nfc south-panthers
nfc west-seahawks
nfc east-giants/skins (toss up)

hope to see the cards in the post season. offense should be ridiculous.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

nfc east - giants (skins WC)
nfc north - chicago (the AL/NL West of football)
nfc south - carolina (tampa WC)
nfc west - seattle

afc east - patriots
afc north - cincinnati (pittsburgh WC)
afc south - indianapolis
afc west - kansas city (denver WC)

[kevin]

i'll do full predictions later, but i'll just say bears, bitches. bears.

packers, vikings suck etc

[DAntae]

they sure do suck.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

that entire division sucks. the bears defense won't be what it was last year, simply because it would be quite difficult TO be that again. their offense still pretty much blows, but it could be marginally improved over last year. they could win that division at 9-7 if it came down to it, but i have a feeling that the vikings will give them a run.

[kevin]

eh, 10-6 or 11-5 sounds right. the schedule is pretty easy. just as long as we don't have another 2002. that would be a huge letdown.

[CMQ]

NFC
North: Bears
South: Panthers
East: Eagles
West: Seahawks
Wild Cards: Giants and Cardinals

AFC
North: Steelers
South: Colts
East: Patriots
West: Broncos
Wild Cards: Chiefs, Bengals

[doyle]

AFC
north: steelers
south: colts (bye)
east: patriots
west: chiefs (bye)
wild cards: broncos, bengals

NFC
north: bears
south: panthers (bye)
east: giants (bye)
west: cards
wild cards: cowboys, bucs

[kuumuus]

wins and losses won't add up correctly, but these are roughly the records and standings i predict. NFC East will be the best division easily. giants, cowboys, and redskins all look like super bowl contenders, but all face the possibility of finishing third in the division and missing the playoffs. AFC West will be fun to watch as well.

NFC North
Bears 10-6
Vikings 8-8
Lions 5-11
Packers 4-12

NFC South
Panthers 13-3
Bucs 10-6 (WC)
Falcons 8-8
Saints 5-11

NFC East
Cowboys 11-5
Giants 10-6 (WC)
Redskins 10-6
Eagles 6-10

NFC West
Seahawks 11-5
Cardinals 9-7
Rams 5-11
49ers 3-13

AFC North
Bengals 11-5
Steelers 10-6
Ravens 7-9
Browns 7-9

AFC South
Colts 12-4
Jags 11-5 (WC)
Titans 6-10
Texans 3-13

AFC East
Dolphins 11-5
Pats 10-6 (WC)
Bills 7-9
Jets 3-13

AFC West
Chiefs 11-5
Broncos 9-7
Chargers 9-7
Raiders 5-11

Super Bowl: hawks > chiefs

i know i said before last season that i would never again predict better than an 8-8 record for seattle, but things obviously have changed... until, that is, hasselbeck or alexander go down for the season and we finish 7-9 or something.

[Homer Jay]

How can anyone make predictions this early, there are important injuries every preseason that effect the season? Cleveland and Atlanta already lost very important players to injuries.

[gravymaster]

Giants over Colts
Although I would adore this outcome, I have a feelling you wouldn't be hearing from DNS or I if it were to happen. Mr. Roarke's ban finger would be awfully itchy.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

you wouldn't hear from me, but that's because i would have died from choking on laughter or inhaled carpet fibers as i rolled on the floor laughing.

and homer jay, who gives a fuck? most preseasons don't see something so substantial that it throws off the entire balance of the NFL to the point where we can't make some loose early projections.

and people need to get over the fucking cowboys already. they got T.O., and he practically ruined philadelphia. yes, he's probably the 2nd best receiver in the NFL, but christ, one player does not a team make. they have a pretty weak defense, and bledsoe is getting older every second. i don't see them as a HUGE threat at all.

[:bang:]

8-8 about par for the course for recent super bowl runner-ups, though

[gravymaster]

they got T.O., and he practically ruined philadelphia. yes, he's probably the 2nd best receiver in the NFL
There is no shame in being behind Plaxico as the 2nd best receiver. ;)

[:bang:]

There is no shame in being behind Plaxico as the 2nd best receiver. ;)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[gravymaster]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
You'll rue the day you let him go!!! Rue it good!

[:bang:]

hey, he left and whatwhat
http://www.star.niu.edu/images_daily/020606.1/SUPER-BOWL-FOOTBALL-2.jpg
THE NEXT YEAR

[gravymaster]

He is too good for your shitty trophies. The man has cornrows for god sakes...the world is his oyster.

[:bang:]

celebration parades are too cold, and he didnt want to wear a hat to cover up the rows. THATS THE REASON
http://static.flickr.com/34/96858000_5731caad50_m.jpg

[Spartan]

so where the hell is the yahoo fantasy league.

[kuumuus]

i'll let somebody else do fantasy, but here's the yahoo pick'em info

Group ID#: 6581
Group Password: cowboyslol

[box elder]

i'm in for the pick 'em. probably not any fantasy league, though, because i've already committed to 2 others, and i can't/won't keep track of 3 leagues.

[Rekart]

I'm in on both.

[kevin]

i'm in for fantasy, as usual. i'm still crying over my collapse in the playoffs last year. fuck you, peyton.

[Matt B.]

I'm in for the fantasy league.

[robb]

Looking forward to defending my title this year.

[Roarke]

give me a little bit to set up the fantasy league, i may be exploring slightly alternative scoring/championship method. i'll probably get lazy and do the same ole same ole, but we'll see.

at the very latest it'll be set up before i leave for indy wednesday night.

general time for the draft, anyone? before/after preseason etc etc etc

[kevin]

okay here's my predictions

nfc east:
giants 11-5
redskins 10-6 wc
cowboys 10-6
eagles 7-9

tough division to pick because they're all so close. i look for the giants to win it outright, and washington to win some sort of tie breaker for a wild card. cowboys get left out again. eagles won't be nearly as bad as everyone thinks.

nfc north:
bears 10-6
vikings 7-9
packers 6-10
lions 4-12

bears the obvious favorite here. watching the other three teams suck will be kinda fun.

nfc south:
bucs 11-5
panthers 10-6 wc
falcons 9-7
saints 5-11

everyone's splooging over carolina, but i think tampa will have a very solid team this year. panthers for a wildcard, falcons miss out again. saints will be marginally better. bush won't have too much impact as a rookie.

nfc west:
cards 9-7
seahawks 8-8
rams 6-10
49ers 4-12

cards offense carries them, seattle suffers inevitable post-super bowl letdown. rams continue to be mediocre, alex smith continues to suck in san fran.

really anyone could win the nfc, but i'm gonna go with bucs over giants right now just for the sake of being different.

afc east:
pats 10-6
dolphins 9-7
jets 5-11
bills 5-11

miami will give a run, but this is still new england's division to lose. jets are starting over with a solid base of young guys. unfortunately that wont lead to wins. bills hired dick jauron. bad idea, trust me.

afc north:
bengals 12-4
steelers 11-5 wc
ravens 8-8
browns 4-12

i really think carson palmer will be perfectly fine and have another mvp-caliber season. same with roethlisberger, although not quite as good. ravens may surprise, but not to the extent of making the playoffs. browns continue to suck dick. should be interesting to watch minus cleveland.

afc south:
colts 12-4
jaguars 11-5 wc
titans 6-10
texans 5-11

colts win again, although they won't dominate like last year. jaguars make a return to the postseason. i have a feeling leftwich and that d will have a big year. current and former houston teams continue to wallow in mediocrity.

afc west:
chiefs 12-4
broncos 10-6
chargers 9-7
raiders 4-12

i really think herm edwards will boost the chiefs to the next level. d will be much improved. broncos window of opportunity was last year, and they missed it. chargers will be solid once again, but rivers will have growing pains. raiders suck ass.

afc is once again better than the nfc, but i like kansas city over cincinnati here. just a feeling i have. so, kc will beat tampa bay in the superbowl. quite the wacky prediction, but you never know in the nfl these days.

[:bang:]

people keep forgetting that the bungles have to score like 42 points to win

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

My extremely worthwhile and well thought-out predictions...
AFC
north: steelers
south: colts
east: patriots
west: broncos
wild cards: dolphins, bengals

NFC
north: bears
south: panthers
east: eagles
west: The Seattle Seahawks
wild cards: cowboys, cardinals

Pick-em, eh? I'm in.
I'm so glad the summer sports drought is almost over.

[kevin]

give me a little bit to set up the fantasy league, i may be exploring slightly alternative scoring/championship method. i'll probably get lazy and do the same ole same ole, but we'll see.

at the very latest it'll be set up before i leave for indy wednesday night.

general time for the draft, anyone? before/after preseason etc etc etc

sometime during the preseason. i'd like to do it before i leave for college on 8-22.

i heard about a championship system where the entire regular season counts as the regular season and the top (four?) teams then have a draft of players from playoff teams. most points at the end of the playoffs wins. is this what you're thinking of doing? it minimizes the effect of teams resting their best players at the end of the season (which killed me last year).

[kuumuus]

wait, do you guys do a live draft? i only played fantasy football once, at maggied, and we had an autodraft that picked players for us based on where we ranked them. but any way you do it, i'm in.

also, this post-super bowl letdown theory is nonsense. hawks will be more than fine if they can avoid injuries.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Hmmm....for living in Seattle you are rather optimistic, methinks.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

bah, there's nothing optimistic about assuming that they'll still be good. they have such a great team put together from last year, and i don't see any real reason for them to slip. that super bowl jinx thing is crap.

well kevin, i'm bored enough. you have 4 too many wins in your projections.

[kevin]

yeah, i didn't care enough to make sure they were even. far too lazy.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

WELL I DO CARE YOU CHEAP BASTARD! MINUS ONE WIN FROM THE BILLS, TEXANS, EAGLES, AND BROWNS. DONE? DONE.

OK, since you guys are doing it, i'm jumping in on this shit, too. my record predictions (and, even if my record does come out to 256-256, i bet it's still gonna turn out to be impossible given the schedules and stuff, but i know NONE of us will figure it that out...except that rickey fag, because millionaire businessmen have that kind of time on their hands). enough prattling, here you go:

NFC East:
Giants (11-5)
Redskins (10-6, WC)
Cowboys (10-6)
Eagles (6-10)

NFC North:
Bears (9-7)
Vikings (7-9)
Packers (5-11)
Lions (4-12)

NFC South:
Panthers (11-5)
Bucaneers (10-6, WC)
Falcons (6-10)
Saints (5-11)

NFC West:
Seahawks (12-4)
Cardinals (9-7)
Rams (8-8)
49ers (3-13)

AFC East:
Patriots (10-6)
Dolphins (8-8)
Jets (6-10)
Bills (4-12)

AFC North:
Bengals (12-4)
Steelers (11-5, WC)
Ravens (7-9)
Browns (5-11)

AFC South:
Colts (13-3)
Jaguars (10-6)
Tennessee (6-10)
Houston (4-12)

AFC West:
Chiefs (12-4)
Broncos (11-5, WC)
Chargers (7-9)
Raiders (4-12)

[Curtis]

WELL I DO CARE YOU CHEAP BASTARD! MINUS ONE WIN FROM THE BILLS, TEXANS, EAGLES, AND BROWNS. DONE? DONE.

OK, since you guys are doing it, i'm jumping in on this shit, too. my record predictions (and, even if my record does come out to 256-256, i bet it's still gonna turn out to be impossible given the schedules and stuff, but i know NONE of us will figure it that out...except that rickey fag, because millionaire businessmen have that kind of time on their hands).

It took three hours and im exhausted but I went through every teams schedule and kept tabs of who I picked and this is what I came up with:

AFC

East

Miami Dolphins (10-6) [4]
New England Patriots (9-7)
Buffalo Bills (6-10)
New York Jets (5-11)

North

Baltimore Ravens (12-4) [3]
Pittsburgh Steelers (9-7)
Cincinnati Bengals (6-10)
Cleveland Browns (5-11)

South

Indianapolis Colts (12-4) [2]
Jacksonville Jaguars (10-6) [5]
Houston Texans (7-9)
Tennessee Titans (1-15)

West

Kansas City Chiefs (12-4) [1]
San Diego Chargers (10-6) [6]
Denver Broncos (9-7)
Oakland Raiders (3-13)


NFC

East

Philadelphia Eagles (11-5) [3]
Washington Redskins (10-6) [5]
New York Giants (8-8)
Dallas Cowboys (7-9)

North

Chicago Bears (12-4) [2]
Green Bay Packers (9-7) [6]
Detroit Lions (5-11)
Minnesota Vikings (4-12)

South

Carolina Panthers (12-4) [1]
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7)
Atlanta Falcons (8-8)
New Orleans Saints (5-11)

West

Seattle Seahawks (10-6) [4]
St. Louis Rams (9-7)
Arizona Cardinals (7-9)
San Francisco 49ers (4-12)

League MVP: Larry Johnson
Defensive Player of the Year: Ed Reed

Playoffs

AFC Round 1

3. Baltimore Ravens
6. San Diego Chargers

4. Miami Dolphins
5. Jacksonville Jaguars

AFC Round 2

1. Kansas City Chiefs
4. Miami Dolphins

2. Indianapolis Colts
3. Baltimore Ravens

AFC Round 3

1. Kansas City Chiefs
3. Baltimore Ravens

NFC Round 1

3. Philadelphia Eagles
6. Green Bay Packers

4. Seattle Seahawks
5. Washington Redskins


NFC Round 2

1. Carolina Panthers
4. Seattle Seahawks

2. Chicago Bears
3. Philadelphia Eagles


NFC Round 3

1. Carolina Panthers
3. Philadelphia Eagles

Super Bowl
Philadelphia Eagles defeat Baltimore Ravens

[mike_donnelly]

I've got the Packers marked down for 8 wins minimum. Lions twice, Saints, 49ers, Jets, Cardinals, Dolphins, Bills. Plus we should be able to snatch at least 1 from 2 against vikings.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

didn't we already go over this all already? everyone looks at their schedule and says the SAME thing that you're saying when they see the packers on it. the packers suck.

the saints, cardinals, and dolphins aren't even gimmes anyway...for any above average team.

[:bang:]

packers might be the worst team in the league

and im in for fantasy

[DAntae]

packers and raiders are going to be competing for worst of crown.

[kevin]

did curtis really just pick the eagles to win it all

[pat]

he also picked the packers to win a wild card

WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE IT'S TRUE

[Dead Nigga Storage]

and of course, he made the 11-5 giants of a year ago 8-8, despite the fact they've only improved from last year, and then made the one team in that division that DOESN'T have a chance and then made them not only the winners of the division, but the winners of all of football.

but hey, at least he wasn't biased at all about his own team.

i wonder if he remembered that, for every win that he gave to one team from their potential matchup, he gave a loss to the other. what a fucking waste of time.

[kevin]

at least he picked the bears to go 12-4

[:bang:]

its even funnier that he picked the steelers, pats, bungles AND bronchoes to miss the playoffs

[Dead Nigga Storage]

in addition to the previous comments/complaints:

Steelers and Bengals somehow get clobbered in their own division...by the ravens of all teams. the packers make the playoffs with an AARP member who can't throw a ball without it being picked off twice...and they somehow win the tiebreaker with the bucs. the texans have a 5 game turnaround without doing anything to improve their team THAT greatly. denver falls off the map entirely. i can't possibly imagine tennessee losing 15 games...13 maybe. he gives his own team a modest, but overachieving first place finish and playoff win so that maybe we don't notice. the NFC manages to win the NFC-AFC matchup over the year (has four more wins on the NFC side than he does on the AFC side). the cowboys somehow finish below .500 and in last place in a division they are noted favorites by many people. and he picks the bears to improve over last year without the talent increases to justify it.

some of the worst attempts at predictions in sometime...at least by someone who was attempting to be serious about it.

[DAntae]

wow...just read that list. hmmm. while I expect the nfc east to boast 3 teams over .500 , the eagles aren't one of them. 6-10 or 7-9 is more realistic. its just not the loss of owens. its the inability of westbrook to stay healthy. its a bend or break defense which now breaks way too often.

as for miami...zach thomas will kill jason taylor. divorce and all. being professionals...bullshit I tell ya.

[box elder]

north: cin
south: ind
east: ne
west: kc
wild cards: jack, pitt

NFC
north: chi
south: car
east: wash
west: seattle
wild cards: nyg, tb

kind of middle of the road there, but i really didn't see any sleepers jump out at me.

[boogie down mikel]

okay here's my predictions

nfc east:
cowboys
giants wc
nfc north:
bears
nfc south:
carolina
bucs wc
nfc west:
seahawks

nfc i honestly think the cowboys can take it this year if t.o. works out well for them, but it's also hard to doubt the giants

afc east:
pats
afc north:
steelers
afc south:
colts
jaguars wc
afc west:
chiefs
broncos wc

i'd like to take the colts for the afc title but if peyton has his typical meltdown then i think the chiefs and steelers might have a shot at it

i'd like to see the cowboys win the superbowl this year but realistically i think it would probably be the steelers repeating

[doyle]

i guess i might as well reveal my super bowl pick now.

carolina.

[kuumuus]

changed my super bowl prediction to hawks over chiefs. i've liked and had big expectations for kc the last couple years, only to see them go unfulfilled. now with herm edwards, a full season of larry johnson starting, and an improved defense, i like them to get over the hump. if i wasn't a hawks fan i would pick them to win it all, probably over carolina.

[Spartan]

i guess i might as well reveal my super bowl pick now.

carolina.

you sure you don't live in bristol?

[Cow Milk?]

you sure you don't live in bristol?

That ULTIMATE NFL DRAFT CHART crap was disgraceful

[smyce]

Wow Curtis. Was that serious?

NFC East:
Cowboys

NFC North:
Vikings

NFC South:
Panthers

NFC West:
Seahawks

WC: Redskins, Giants

AFC East:

Patriots

AFC North:
Bengals

AFC South:
Colts

AFC West:
Chiefs

WC: Steelers, Dolphins

Right now I have Cowboys over Colts in the Superbowl but that could change. I've never gotten both teams right before the season since I've been predicting which was 1992.

Also if there's an NHC fantasy league and you guys have an open spot I'd be interested.

[mike_donnelly]

if you give me shit for talking about the team that i support, maybe you can suggest a place for supporters to talk about their own team. all you guys do is think you are nostradamus and say what every team is going to do for an entire season, when anything can really happen. yeah, i know packers were shit last season, but why can't i have a little hope. and you didn't say that out of those 8 games that I listed who would definetly beat packers, you just said dolphins, cards and saints weren't gimmes.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

mike, calm the fuck down. no one is telling you you can't support your damn team. love them all you want. suck off brett favre if you want, but they are NOT a good team. i have no problem freely admitting when my team sucks...i usually just spend most of my time picking on other people's teams when that happens. just act like a fucking realist and stop denying what's right in front of your face. you want the breakdown? here, in order:

bears - loss
saints - loss
lions - win
eagles - loss
rams - loss
dolphins - loss
cardinals - loss
bills - win
vikings - win
patriots - loss
seahawks - loss
jets - loss
49ers - win
lions - win
vikings - loss
bears - loss

total: 5-11.

now shut up. your team sucks, just get used to that fact.

[mike_donnelly]

that's all i wanted, thanks. it will just be even more sweeter when we get those extra wins that the sceptics haven't marked us down for. and next time we get to the playoffs we won't be shutdown like your beloved giants.

[Matt B.]

I have the Saints and Packers going 5-11 and the Colts are my Super Bowl pick.

[pat]

the lions may suck, but i can see them beating the packers at least once. definitely don't see them losing to them twice.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

that's all i wanted, thanks. it will just be even more sweeter when we get those extra wins that the sceptics haven't marked us down for. and next time we get to the playoffs we won't be shutdown like your beloved giants.OMG ROOKIE QUARTERBACK LOST HIS FIRST PLAYOFF GAME!

dude, fine, you'll win a couple games you lost...and then lose the games i said you'd win. don't bother comparing the giants and packers right now, because the giants have a team capable of going to the playoffs several years in a row while the packers, "sceptics" or not, aren't going anywhere for several years. just tell me, besides the fact that you love them, what it is that makes them so competitive or even average, besides their shitty division...the same shitty, record padding division that they went 1-5 against last year.

edit: yeah, sorry pat...i meant to factor that into the schedule, but i sorta just flew down the list and gave a result for each, forgetting what i had said for the lions the previous time. 4-12 for the packers it is...i'm not giving them a win elsewhere to make up for it.

[mike_donnelly]

well I am a fan and that's what fans are supposed to do - support the team no matter what. otherwise this thread would just be made up of Steelers fans, the NBA thread would just be made up of Heat fans etc. Only 1 team can win, does that mean that only the fans of the champion team can talk?

[Dead Nigga Storage]

is there fucking concentrated retardation in the water in australia? no one said you can't support your team and root for them. post about you love for your packers and why you think they'll succeed and what you think their weaknesses are and how you hope they can improve all that you want. you're wasting everyone's time if you come in here and just say "the packers are great, go brett favre, we've got it so easy this year!". yeah, you're schedule is easy...but when you're one of the worst teams in the game, it doesn't matter what you're schedule is, because you're gonna lose anyway. root for them, but be a fucking realist.

[pat]

just wondering, how does someone from australia become a packers fan?

[gravymaster]

just wondering, how does someone from australia become a packers fan?
They are one of the most famous teams in NFL history and during Favre's career, were always in the running to win a Super Bowl. Easy, Pat.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

ah, he latched on to the best team as a bandwaggoner and is now delusional about continued success. gotcha.

[mike_donnelly]

what do you expect me to say? i'm just going to say what every fan of a team that did shit last year is going to say so i don't waste your time with that. I could have said "we had too many injuries last year, we've got a new coach, it's all going to turn around", but I didn't. I just listed the teams that I think we will beat. Sure, there is a lot of doubt as to wether Packers will beat those teams, but I can have hope.

[mike_donnelly]

ah, he latched on to the best team as a bandwaggoner and is now delusional about continued success. gotcha.

haha, you are such a douchebag. the packers aren't the only team that has ever won a championship, I am not just a fan because of that.

Don't worry - I cop shit for it at the football team that I play for.

The reason I am a fan is because I have always wanted to wear a piece of cheese on my head, and being a Packers fan allows me to do this without feeling strange. Also, it would be frustrating to be a fan of a team that I can never attend a game because I'm on the other side of the world, but at least with Packers I know that even if i was in USA i could not attend.

[pat]

my team has been shit for the past decade and you don't see me having any hope this season

[box elder]

The reason I am a fan is because I have always wanted to wear a piece of cheese on my head, and being a Packers fan allows me to do this without feeling strange.


alright, leave him the fuck alone! this is a great reason for choosing a team.

[Spartan]

seems to be something wisconsin. who the hell would like the badgers, thousands upon thousands miles away?

[:bang:]

lets all agree that the packers suck, dude from australia doesnt know what he's talking about, and is being argumentative for some unknown, gayass reason

now lets get back to important things

http://www.supportourribbons.com/images/steelers.gif
SUPPORT THE STILLRZ AN AT

[Dead Nigga Storage]

that reminds me of when the other mike told me he started liking the athletics for their uniform color. i think my ex-girlfriend picked teams for that reason. i KNOW my current one does.

[:bang:]

my fiance likes the skins :angry: :angry: :angry:

[pat]

hopefully you and dan can manage around that

and i honestly have no idea why my sister likes the broncos

[box elder]

every girlfriend i've had just roots for the color.

i.e. "i like the blue team!!"

[Spartan]

hopefully you and dan can manage around that

and i honestly have no idea why my sister likes the broncos

http://www.nationwidespeakers.com/images/biopics/Ken_Shanahan.jpg

[smyce]

My girlfriend likes the Giants because her brother was a tight end and Jeremy Shockey is "cute" while also being a tight end. Girls really have no fucking clue.

[mike_donnelly]

Which RB do you think will make most rushing?

[gravymaster]

my fiance likes the skins :angry: :angry: :angry:
That's grounds for dismissal.

[:bang:]

That's grounds for dismissal.
honestly, i think that she got some shit from her friends because she was turning black n gold

they were all like BUT YOU'RE FROM HERE

fucking 'friends'

[Dead Nigga Storage]

Which RB do you think will make most rushing?you really have no idea what football IS, do you?

[mike_donnelly]

what do you mean? it's a simple question, i was reading an article at nfl's website talking about it. they think that shaun alexander won't be able to put another good season together.

[:bang:]

did he say make some fuck?

[smyce]

I like the the Cowboys to make the win.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

Do you like football? How do you make a score in football?
http://www.meloncorp.com/arch/0088/Borat.jpg

[DAntae]

my fiance likes the skins :angry: :angry: :angry:

would she be up for a 3-way with me and cooley :)

[:bang:]

she doesnt even know who cooley is

[DAntae]

well then that is truly grounds for dismissal...hes got the coolest hair

[:bang:]

last year our conversations went like this

me: skins suck aaaass
her: i like the skins i'm FROM HERE
me: name 5 skins
her: la var....
me: you only know him because of my penn state boner
her: i'm FROM HERE

and then i start singing the steelers song from the 70's

[DAntae]

I dont want her as a fan..."your from here". its time you forced her to make the transition.

[:bang:]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN

[ZombieFlanders86]

AFC EAST: Miami

Sorry Patriots, your reign is over.

AFC NORTH: Pittsburgh, Cincy WC

I still don't have enough confidence in Cincy.

AFC SOUTH: Indy

Will they ever produce in the post season though?

AFC WEST: Denver, KC WC

Chargers schedule is too much. Also, you got to be kidding yourself with all this 9-7 broncos crap.

NFC EAST: Giants, Dallas WC

Time for a new Manning.

NFC NORTH: Chicago

Nothing to worry about there.

NFC SOUTH: Carolina

NFC WEST: Seattle

Possible superbowl winners.

As far as the second wild card, I dont know.

[kevin]

what does griese being a joke have to do with carolina winning the nfc south?

[ZombieFlanders86]

Griese ended up with the bears? He gets around a lot.

[kevin]

too bad he isn't on tampa bay

[Dead Nigga Storage]

man, we should put a password on this thread so only people who know the sport can talk in here. curtis, mike_donnelly, and now this assclown.

i'd rather have all of our uniform-color-rooting girlfriends posting in here.

[mike_donnelly]

yeah, you should have an exclusive club of elite members of society who predict what is going to happen in an upcoming professional sports season. then the other non-elite people will feel sad because they have nowhere to go to be told that the team they like sucks.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

no, we should just have a football thread where people actually know shit about what they are talking about and aren't random, dilussional, bandwaggoning losers who still think that brett favre or anything he does is relevant.

[mike_donnelly]

i am a packers fan first of all, and favre is our QB so i have to live with that don't I. sure, his best days are behind him, but 2 seasons ago we won our division, that's why I think we are a chance. You think you are so elite making predictions, when most of the predicitions are pretty much just last year's standings with a few slight adjustments - wow, you are the simpsons forum's very own John Madden! Then I ask a genuine question about a player and get ridiculed. at least don't call the thread "NFL 2006", call it "douchebags making lame predictions and telling packers supporters that brett favre is old and not as good as he used to be", otherwise you can show a small bit of maturity and ignore me and I will go away. but obviously you are about as mature as eli manning.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

eli manning didn't throw 29INTs last year.

and what the hell is your point? the NFL landscape hasn't changed a whole fucking lot since last year, so what am i supposed to do? pick the lions, the packers, and jets, and the texans to go to the playoffs just because it would be unique and different? tell me where i have erred so terribly in my predictions and perhaps i'll change something. and no one is singling brett favre out...in the last thread, joey harrington and daunte culpepper were CONSTANTLY shit on just because people tried to promote the hell out of them.

and yes, you do have to live with brett favre. but when i lived with danny fucking kanell as my quarterback, that didn't mean i thought that he was a playoff-calibur quarterback, or even close. i don't think i'm fucking elite, but i don't pretend to know anything that i don't...and in our last football thread, you constantly tried to insist that brett favre was still THE quarterback to have, and that the packers are worthy of anything more than a 5-11 or 4-12 record. then you prattle off a list of teams (all better than the packers) and say that, just because they are mediocre teams, they highlight how easy the packer's schedule is. this isn't up for argument, the packers FUCKING SUCK. this isn't two years ago...brett favre shouldn't even be playing anymore, and that's a HUGE difference over what the case was two years ago.

[Gabbo]

how did i not see this thread until just now? first of all, who the hell picked the iggles to win it all? and over the ravens? who is donovan going to throw to? pinkston so he can drop it? they were nothing last year and will be nothing again with TO. also, the ravens just suck. enough with the questions, here's "lame predictions from a douchebag":

afc east:
pats (11-5)
dolphins (9-7)
jets (5-11)
bills (4-12)

afc north
bengals (11-5)
steelers (11-5) WC
ravens (6-10)
browns (5-11)

afc south:
colts (13-3)
jaguars (11-5) WC
tennessee (6-10)
houston (4-12)

afc west:
broncos (12-4)
chiefs (10-6)
chargers (7-9)
raiders (5-11)

nfc east:
redskins (11-5)
giants (10-6) WC
cowboys (9-7)
eagles (5-11)

nfc north:
bears (10-6)
vikings (6-10)
lions (5-11)
packlolz (4-12)

nfc south:
panthers (12-4)
bucs (9-7)
falcons (7-9)
saints (4-12)

nfc west:
seahawks (12-4)
cardinals (9-7) WC
rams (7-9)
49ers (3-13)

oh, and i'm down for fantasy football.

brett favre is old and not as good as he used to be.

[mike_donnelly]

well you have answered my point yourself. by saying the packers sucked last year proves that predictions are useless. What would you have said after we won our division in 2004? i'm sure you would have said we'd suck in 2005. that shows that anything can happen. When I was promoting Favre i meant for our division, because that's all that really matters to me. I want to win NFC North then go from there. I think Favre is still the best QB in NFC North, but yes, he did throw a lot of INT's last year, but INT's take in a lot of factors. Defense, receivers and desperation. He threw a lot of those as he was desperate to get the ball upfield, as our running game was pretty poor. Samkon Gado was our RB at one stage. He would have been fairly deep down the roster - that's how bad the injuries were.

[Gabbo]

i didn't predict the pack to do much last year either. favre is too old and needed to quit a few years ago. and sure, you can blame injuries or desperation or whatever the fuck, but truth is brett farve sucks and so will the packers this year.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

well you have answered my point yourself. by saying the packers sucked last year proves that predictions are useless. What would you have said after we won our division in 2004? i'm sure you would have said we'd suck in 2005. that shows that anything can happen.how does that prove anything about predictions being useless? the packers did nothing to solidfy their future for the long term as brett favre went into his noticeable decline over the last few years, so it was VERY foreseeable (predictable) that they were gonna get worse and worse until they sucked. i found it very easy to predict the packers' decline, because it was so evident in their inability to look beyond the brett favre era.

and aside from being inflammatory, you're eli manning comment about his lack of maturity is completely useless. find me one outlet last year that picked the giants to finish any better than 7-9. manning, in his first full year as a QB, led the NFC in TD passes, and had one of the best offenses in football. he showed a penchant for being clutch, winning 2 games in the final minutes on big drives. he won the NFC east with an 11-5 record in a year that they should have been cellar dwellers. really fucking immature, right?

[mike_donnelly]

packers used a 1st round draft pick on a QB a few years ago, so I wouldn't say that they aren't looking to the future, but Favre has been at Lambeau for a few years now, I will agree with that.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

yeah, and the packers waited too long in getting rodgers (that was last year), and have been letting favre take the ball way too much. it's time to pass the baton, and it seems like the packers are just stalling and taking away good development time away from rodgers at this point. two years on the bench behind an old, shell of brett favre is way too long for a first rounder who is the future QB for the franchise. he's barely seen any playing time, and if the packers are gonna be dense fucks again this year, they'll have just postponed the inevitable further.

[mike_donnelly]

i suppose it's all about the tough calls isn't it. you imagine being the guy at Lambeau who has to say to Favre "pack your bags". maybe your team has never been in the situation, but I can't imagine it would be easy.

back to the predictions - are any of the predictions on here really saying anything? all i see is every division winner from last season, except I seen 1 dude reckons dolphins.

[Gabbo]

it's just fun for football fans to speculate about the upcoming season. gotta have something to do until the games start.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

and he's a fucking dolphins fan. like i said, the landscape hasn't changed much at all from last year.

and fuck, i could tell favre to pack his bags in a minute. i'm an angels fan, and darin erstad has been our team leader for years and was an integral part of winning the world series. now he's a shell of his former self and can't do shit and is constantly injured. a report just came out saying that he's recovering and might get his roster back soon, and i'm tempted to go fucking tonya harding on his sorry ass.

edit: that's a pretty american reference. here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Harding#The_Kerrigan_attack

[ZombieFlanders86]

I know its tough for Packers fans, but Green Bay is not going anywhere until they get a new QB.

[:bang:]

back to the predictions - are any of the predictions on here really saying anything? all i see is every division winner from last season, except I seen 1 dude reckons dolphins.
have you even looked at the thread? i picked the skins, steelers, fins, kc, cards, and panthers NONE OF WHICH WON THE DIVISION LAST YEAR. and i aint the only one

i'm this fucking close to banning you from this thread. quit being a faggot and posting shit you dont know

[DAntae]

shockey gets concussion in training camp and then bitches eli didn't throw him the ball enough. true definition of training camp fag. (sorry guys had to make this thread fun again...as of late it has been almost impossible to read)

[mike_donnelly]

afc east:
pats (12-4)
dolphins (8-8)
bills (5-11)
jets (4-12)

afc north
steelers (12-4)
bengals (11-5) WC
ravens (6-10)
browns (5-11)

afc south:
colts (11-5)
jaguars (10-6) WC
tennessee (6-10)
houston (3-13)

afc west:
broncos (13-3)
chiefs (10-6)
chargers (8-8)
raiders (5-11)

nfc east:
redskins (11-5)
cowboys (10-6) W
giants (9-7)
eagles (5-11)

nfc north:
bears (10-6)
packers (9-7) WC
vikings (3-13)
lions (2-14)

nfc south:
panthers (13-3)
bucs (8-8)
falcons (7-9)
saints (4-12)

nfc west:
seahawks (12-4)
rams (8-8)
cards (7-9)
49ers (3-13)

[DAntae]

your way too down on the nfc south as a whole...expect the saints to make up lots of ground. they wont have the eratic passing game they had with brooks. he has a lot of talent but was always up and down. brees solidifies that team. 10 wins is within reach for the saints. if mcallister holds up the entire season they can do great things.

I expect tampa to actually finish under .500 simms is finally the full time starter. not sure he can handle 16 games and give that team what it needs at this point. cadillac wore down towards the end last season. 8-8 would exceed my expectations for them.

[sacrelicious]

I like the discussion so far. I hate ESPN/SI predictions. They always choose the same teams that did well last season, and they fail to account for the fact that teams could possible have a bad year/major injury/etc.

That said here's my guesses:

AFC East: Patriots
AFC North: Bengals
AFC South: Colts
AFC West: Chargers
AFC Wild Cards: Dolphins, Broncos

NFC East: Giants
NFC North: Packers
NFC South: Panthers
NFC West: Seahawks
NFC Wild Cards: Cardnals, Cowboys

AFC Playoffs:
Chargers def. Dolphins
Patriots def. Broncos

Colts def. Patriots
Bengals def. Chargers

Bengals def. Colts

NFC Playoffs:
Cowboys def. Packers
Giants def. Cardnals

Panthers def. Giants
Seahawks def. Cowboys

Panthers def. Seahawks

SUPER BOWL:
Pathers def. Bengals

[:bang:]

geez, randel el must be missed heavily in pittsburgh, but at the same time not help the skins much

[Dead Nigga Storage]

I like the discussion so far. I hate ESPN/SI predictions. They always choose the same teams that did well last season, and they fail to account for the fact that teams could possible have a bad year/major injury/etc.yeah, ok, and how are they suppposed to account for those? how is any one team any more likely to suffer injuries or suffer from just a down season? being 4-12 or 12-4 the year before, your chances of a key player getting injured don't really change, and neither do your chances of blowing 3-4 games and losing them.

and dan, shockey has a better looking uniform than cooley, so stop being a bitter fag about it.

[doyle]

I like the discussion so far. I hate ESPN/SI predictions. They always choose the same teams that did well last season, and they fail to account for the fact that teams could possible have a bad year/major injury/etc.

how many times does it need to be stated that things haven't changed much since last season, and that the minor improvements and such have been noted and are reflected in the teams' record predictions? just look at the changes in people's feelings on miami or arizona from last year, or the general feeling that chicago and seattle won't get the same career years out of certain players that you got last year.

aside from the impacts that come from new/departed players, new/departed staff members, the ages of up-and-comers and old veterans, or maybe potential for clubhouse turmoil, there isn't a whole lot to base a prediction on. you'd look like a pretty stupid football expert, saying that the chiefs would finish far out of the running with a 6-10 record this year because you feel there is a "chance that larry johnson may get injured." you aren't supposed to anticipate these things. you know the unexpected will hit, but not when or where. if you did, why the hell would you watch in the first place?

[DAntae]

geez, randel el must be missed heavily in pittsburgh, but at the same time not help the skins much


no shit. heard he makes a mean sloppy joe though.

[gravymaster]

and dan, shockey has a better looking uniform than cooley, so stop being a bitter fag about it.
His cock is bigger, too. Just saying.

[:bang:]

He sucks bigger cocks, too. Just saying.
i agree

[gravymaster]

HEY! I DIDN'T SAY THAT!!!!!

[DAntae]

cooley has ten times the personality than shockey. nowhere near the athlete, but at least cooley can occasionally throw a block...and not get knocked unconscious by a weak ass db on his own team. just saying.

[gravymaster]

cooley has ten times the personality than shockey. nowhere near the athlete, but at least cooley can occasionally throw a block...and not get knocked unconscious by a weak ass db on his own team. just saying.
Shockey led him in just about every category last year. However, that Cooley kid has PERSONALITY. Ooo, Ooo, I pick him!!

[DAntae]

in catches and yards...because he is a main focal point of that offense. the teams best receiver and in my opinion the first option on most pass plays.

cooley plays a much, much different game and position. hback requires better blocking, understanding of defenses. he doesn't get the overall touches or oppurtunities shockey gets. two very different systems.

you can play shockey up as one of the greats, and he is...but there are better all around tightends scattered accross the league. if he makes a big play in a game that means something one day, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. guy is not a team first personality, its about him and what he can do.

my point still stands he is a closet fag who can't take a hit. glass jaw indeed.

still love you gravy.

[:bang:]

heath better than both

[DAntae]

miller's only drawback is he usually doesn't break anything after contact. saw it all the time at virginia. hands and route running are solid. however the top 3 tightends in no particular order are...gates,gonzalez and heap.

[Mayor Quimby]

Shockey has the best game winning field goal celebrations........

I feel like I am going to be attacked for some reason.

[kevin]

so on, the subject of tight ends, where does rookie vernon davis fit? i heard he's got the potential to be one of the greatest recieving te's in recent memory. although he is stuck in san francisco.

[DAntae]

saw davis play several times. physically there isn't anything he can't do. however his qb has to improve on 1 td for every 11 ints thrown. he will instantly be the best player on that offense.

[Mayor Quimby]

Davis is a freak of an athlete, but I do not recall seeing many highlights of him in college.

Is Winslow set to make a return for the Browns? I think he could have a big impact for that team if healthy.

[DAntae]

I think I heard winslow proclaimed that he was at 95%...(I hate when athletes do that). he was a stud in college and if he is close to that form it should produce some modest numbers. again qb is the issue there.

quimby davis got cut a lot before last season from the highlights because maryland fell back to the middle of the pack in the acc. acc specials and regional sports channels showed plenty. theres no way barring injury that he shouldn't put up big numbers. just got to hope he wants to be good and not one of those guys who rests on his money now that hes a pro. (see derrick coleman)

[Gabbo]

i heard him say on espn or something the other day that even though he is only 90% that he will still be one of the best te's in the league. i'm not sure i can believe that just yet. gates and gonzo are still the two to beat even if tony is on the decline.

[DAntae]

I put heap up there with those guys. the guy doesnt make only routine catches for big yards, he makes some incredible plays. plus he had boller tossing him the ball for fucks sake.

[Mayor Quimby]

He's got McNair know, and McNair loves throwing to his tight ends.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

i'd take shockey over gonzalez, personally. i'm not trying to be biased, but gonzo really is fading now.

and vernon davis is irrelevant in SF because as long as alex smith is taking snaps, he'll be lucky to have incomplete passes falling within 10 yards of him.

[Gabbo]

ah yes, i like heap too. as long as he's healthy, he's probably even better than gonzo.

[DAntae]

i'd take shockey over gonzalez, personally. i'm not trying to be biased, but gonzo really is fading now.

and vernon davis is irrelevant in SF because as long as alex smith is taking snaps, he'll be lucky to have incomplete passes falling within 10 yards of him.


I agree with everything you said. however gonzalez isn't dropping off as much as people think. the emergence of larry johnson and no other real receiving threat allowed teams to bottle him up.

[Roarke]

alright dudes
350603 is the id. send me an email at elitist@gmail.com or a PM for the password.

[Roarke]

Also, look over the rules and suggest changes/draft time so we can all agree and be happy

[Dead Nigga Storage]

I agree with everything you said. however gonzalez isn't dropping off as much as people think. the emergence of larry johnson and no other real receiving threat allowed teams to bottle him up.i know he's not nearly the obsolete tight end that some will make him out to be, but the fact that he's being neutralized by defenses, combined with his age, just make me worrisome about how quickly he can drop off from his current elite position among TEs.

[:bang:]

still had more catches and (not many) yards than shockey last year

jus sayin

[Dead Nigga Storage]

yeah, but who else is green gonna pass to? kennison, gonalez, ???

shockey still wins, to me. giants fan or not.

[kevin]

gates
heap
gonzalez
shockey
crumpler

top 5, in order

[smyce]

http://thebestsportsblog.com/images/shockeyshocked.gif

[kuumuus]

Also, look over the rules and suggest changes/draft time so we can all agree and be happy

evenings mon-fri don't work for me :(

and i'm guessing mornings and afternoons during the week will not be possible for others. could we do this on the weekend maybe? a sunday night perhaps?

[pat]

work may get in the way of the draft date (don't know my schedule for that week yet). chances are if i'm scheduled, i can switch shifts with someone, so it should work fine for me.

[Roarke]

not everyone can be happy, but i have to think that weekends woudl be harder, because we all have sexy real lives...

ok maybe a weekend would work

more input though, but as we've been over, we probably won't be able to make everyone happy.

[kevin]

time and date works for me. unless work schedules me for that day, which is unlikely.

[Spartan]

game for the time, ready to defend my...well....04 title.

[kuumuus]

i pre-draft ranked 50 players. i'm assuming that my picks will be made automatically based on those rankings if i can't participate in the live draft. is that correct?

also, there is a FOOTBALL game tomorrow :bang:

[Spartan]

that's right...can be a life-saver, though most of the time your list will be pillaged, as expected.

[kevin]

okay, no work on the 16th. i'm good to go.

[gravymaster]

Fucking stupid Eagles fucking stupid preseason game. I'm watching it, of course, but I hate those fucking fucks.

[gravymaster]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2543783

Goodell named new NFL Commish.

[kevin]

i know absolutely nothing about him. hope he's good.

[gravymaster]

i know absolutely nothing about him. hope he's good.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2543365
This will get you up to speed quite nicely.

[kevin]

sounds like the right guy. he's been around the game for a while. so he should know what he's doing. the fact that he was directly under tagliabue for most of his time as commish is encouraging.

[:bang:]

holy shit he went to w&j? :nerdb:

[DAntae]

tags had cooler hair. just maintain what has been built and it will continue to grow. as long as you avoid labor stoppages...life will always be good.

[:bang:]

cool hair < graduating from the same college as danno

[DAntae]

I can't win this one.

[mike_donnelly]

Leinart is still holding out on signing with Cardinals, he probably thinks he should have been a higher draft pick. Do you think if he went pro the previous season he would have gone higher?

[Roarke]

that's a very silly question--of course he would have. last year's draft class was one of the worst in recent memory,he would have probably gone first overall baring a horrible combine.

[kevin]

yeah. um 49ers, who do you want as your franchise quarterback, alex smith or matt leinart? no brainer. however, you can't blame him for wanting to finish out his eligibility, as i probably would've done the same thing. he should be happy about playing for a better team; he could be stuck with the texans or jets. the only thing he is whining about is the money, which he will eventually earn if he gets out there and shows he deserves it.

[mike_donnelly]

he's pretty close to LA too, I presume that's where family and friends are. He could have been sent to Buffalo or New Orleans. The news report I saw said the negotiations were more about length, I think Cards wanted him to sign for 6 years, he might not want to go for that long, not sure exactly though.

[DAntae]

I was glad to see a kid pass on the money and stay because he wanted to win. he is worth more than #10 money. guy will be rich shortly, so it wont matter.

[Roarke]

ok so who did and didn't get fantasy invites--i sent out a bunch but my computer crashed in the middle. space is limited and i'm giving priority to people who were in the league last year, so PMing me a second time if i don't giveyou one isn't going to help your chances (hi certain dolphin fan)

[Rekart]

I didn't, and I was in it last season.

[rickey]

Clarett is a dumbass: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2544230

Onto my much missed preview, with 3 teams that MATTER.
NYG- We all know the Giants started out the season on fire, picked up plenty of wins, practically clinched the season, were about to beat the Seahawks to have a stranglehold on HFA, when their field goal kicker improbably missed 3 game-ending field goals (2 in OT). Then their linebackers began dropping like flies, and Eli began playing pretty mediocre. They got Arrington, good move to bulk up their defense. Their offense was #1 in the NFC last year, much due to Tiki having a career year, now I'm not expecting him to repeat this, but Eli should improve just from having another year under his belt, so they should hold onto their #1 ranking. However their division has improved, so look for their division to be the most cutthroat. The Giants fortunes all depend on #10, if we get the guy from early last season who tore up defenses at will and won the Giants the NFC East, they should be in good shape; however if they get the Eli who was tossing picks like they were going out of style and played himself out of his Pro-Bowl spot they might be in trouble. They have a lot of tough teams on their schedule with a faceoff against the NFC South, but there are a few cupcakes sprinkled in as well. Anyway, I think Eli will make the Pro Bowl and the Giants will make it into the playoffs as a wildcard, so take the OVER at 9.

The Patriots- I’ll keep this objective as possible. This team unfortunately doesn’t look much better, Belechick just does not want to sign anyone good. The Patriot defense has been suspect for the last couple of years, due partially to injuries and partially to watching all their good players leave, the only guys they have left are Vrabel and the Centaur. Offensively Dillon's skills are deteorating quickly, their wide receivers have never been that great, though branch is pretty good if he can stay healthy. Also factor in that pretty much all their wins last year came against their own crappy division and other bottom feeders, they beat 2 good teams, tampa and Jacksonville. Miami has improved marginally (yes Culpepper sucks, but the team should start gelling under Saban), the Bills and Jets have all their injured players back, and can't be any worse than they were last season. They will have to rely on Belechick’s coaching genius, and Brady’s natural QBing abilities. . . . . .. but again this is all complacent on their offense being consistent. I will take the under, but I will hope for the best as a fan.

INDY- Fuck these guys. Manning is a queer! Whew!! There. . . . .now I can do an objective preview…..They almost went undefeated last year, having little trouble with any teams until they clinched HFA, and the debate began about whether they’d go for 16 wins, or rest up for the playoffs. They did get roughed up in the playoffs, and possibly exposed by a hard blitzing Pittsburg defense. The over/under for them is set at 11.5 games which they have surpassed each of the last 3 years. They lost Edgerrin James to free agency, but how important was he to their offense, yes he put up big stats, but so did Mungro the year Edge went down with a knee injury… Peyton rarely gets hit, and has never been injured, so that risk is minimal. Their divisional opponents are some of the weakest in the league, with practically a guaranteed 5 wins (Jax has played them tough at home, so they have a slim chance there). The defense should continue to improve with no major losses, and Vinateiri should slide into Vanderfag’s spot, with the added bonus that if it’s actually a close game, he won’t choke it away. They do have a lot of tough non-divisional opponents, most on the road (@NYG, Wash, @Denver, @NWE, @DAL, Cinci), plus there is always the risk that their last game might be meaningless, and they’ll finish up with only 11. Nevertheless this is still the team to beat, they are well-coached, and with Peyton Manning and the same core returning from last year, we know they are going to be good. They win half their games just by stepping onto the field, and even though they are bound to lose a few tough ones on the road, they should be able to hit 12 wins pretty easily. Only an idiot would take the under on Indy, ERGO I will take the over at 11.5.

Sidenote on Elisha Manning: Yea yea yea he had a MONSTER second year but remember, Drew Bledsoe tossed for 4,555 yards in his second season. Then he just kind of floundered around. He was a decent quarterback, put up solid numbers some seasons, but never took over the league. It seemed, after Drew's second year, that he was the second coming of Dan Marino. Ooops, bad example as Bledsoe won two AFC Championship Games. But Bledsoe never seemed to live up to his billing. It seems that Elisha could go a similar route. Eli is going to get killed if Barber struggles this season.

[pat]

i didn't read any of that

[Dead Nigga Storage]

has anyone read any of them yet?

[box elder]

all i saw was "Bledsoe won two AFC Championship Games"

[Spartan]

all i saw was his usual talk about teams he hates bullshit for about six seconds after scanning 49 manning bashes...

which in someway included referring to eli by his full christian name as much as possible. which i fail to see the insult.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

don't you get it? eli is a nickname. elisha is his full name, and it's, like...similar to elisa...and that's, like, a girl's name or something or nother...

...i really have no clue what that was about.

[Spartan]

i guess the pakistani culture refuses family names.

[smyce]

How the fuck did Drew Bledsoe not live up to his billing? The guy is in the top 10 in ever statistic that matters for quarterbacks (except TD passes in which he is only 11 away from 10th all time). He went to a Superbowl and lost to maybe the best quarterback of this era.

I'm assuming you are one of these folks who think a Superbowl ring is the only way to make a great QB. How many did Marino have? Does that make Trent Dilfer better than Marino? Bledsoe has had a borderline great career playing for very average football teams.

[Gabbo]

ok so who did and didn't get fantasy invites--i sent out a bunch but my computer crashed in the middle. space is limited and i'm giving priority to people who were in the league last year, so PMing me a second time if i don't giveyou one isn't going to help your chances (hi certain dolphin fan)

i didn't, but i wasn't in the league last year :(

[:bang:]

How the fuck did Drew Bledsoe not live up to his billing? The guy is in the top 10 in ever statistic that matters for quarterbacks (except TD passes in which he is only 11 away from 10th all time). He went to a Superbowl and lost to maybe the best quarterback of this era.

I'm assuming you are one of these folks who think a Superbowl ring is the only way to make a great QB. How many did Marino have? Does that make Trent Dilfer better than Marino? Bledsoe has had a borderline great career playing for very average football teams.stats are for baseball homos, give me super bowl wins any day. cause really that's all that matters

[DAntae]

its time to bash bledsoe...yes he has numbers. god knows he tossed the ball around enough. but he never came up big against division rivals or in big games. that afc title game where he came in and closed it out doesn't earn him anything. great pocket passer, but in my opinion even with hall of fame numbers he is far...far away from being a inductee. in closing he is now a cowboy and all cowboy players/coaches and fans should be looked upon with disgust.

[box elder]

in football, super bowl wins are more important than anything else, but that doesn't mean they make everything else completely meaningless. for instance, joe montana is without question a better QB than dan marino, even though the stats would say otherwise. however, as smyce said, trent dilfer is not a better QB than drew bledsoe (or, let's say, an equally good QB as brett favre).

[DAntae]

I would take marino over montana if I was building a team. joe had a great cast around him on both sides of the ball. anyhow fuck the cowboys.

[box elder]

i would take montana in a heartbeat. yeah, his team was better than the dolphins, but when they needed him to drive them down field, he did it; pretty much every time. you can't discount that.

[:bang:]

i dont know that there has EVER been any accomplishment EVER in any sport greater than 4 super bowl wins, 3 super bowl MVPs. and your receiver wins the fourth

montana was the best football player i ever saw play

[Roarke]

k we now have 12 in the league, i have two more to give. SSD--you in this year?

the other two will be pmed in a day or two depending when i hear back from a few people

[Gabbo]

stats are for baseball homos, give me super bowl wins any day. cause really that's all that matters

steelers bias aside, would you rather have terry bradshaw or dan marino running your offense?

[mike_donnelly]

if superbowls were all that mattered, Tom Brady is the best QB in the game at the moment. He's good, but even the most patriorical patriot knows that's not right.

[smyce]

The greatest QB's in the game today.

1. Brett Favre
2. Tom Brady
3. Brad Johnson
4. Kurt Warner
5. Trent Dilfer
6. Ben Roethlisberger

Of the 25 all time greats we must not forget Doug Williams and Jeff Hostetler.

[:bang:]

steelers bias aside, would you rather have terry bradshaw or dan marino running your offense?
faulty question, danny m is from pixburgh

besides, four superbowl wins, 2 superbowl mvps vs a loss. what more do you want? why would i fuck with that?

and yes, tom brady is number one right now

and none of the guys smyce listed have had a disappointing nfl career, which is how the whole argument started :D

[Gabbo]

faulty question, danny m is from pixburgh

besides, four superbowl wins, 2 superbowl mvps vs a loss. what more do you want? why would i fuck with that?

yeah i know, sure four superbowls are impressive, but he didn't win those all by himself. not saying he wasn't a good quarterback, but he had a great supporting cast around him as well. roethlisomething was hardly the best quarterback last year (sorry danno) but he had a great team to back him up. i just think the number of superbowls won shouldn't the biggest factor in distinguishing great quarterbacks.

[kevin]

yeah but guys like bradshaw, montana and brady made the guys around them better too. that's a huge factor in determining the greatness of a player, in my opinion.

[boogie down mikel]

registered for fantasy boys...bet u can guess who i am

[Eric Cartman]

My predictions: (These are a little bit different from the predictions on KLS)

AFC
East:Miami
North:Steelers
South:Colts (even though I hate them I think they'll be in first in the south)
West:Cheifs

NFC
East:Giants
North:Vikings
South:Panthers
West:Rams

NFC Championship game
St. Louis vs. Carolina
STL:24
CAR:17

AFC Championship game
Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Kansas City Cheifs
KC:23
PIT:37

Super Bowl XLI
St. Louis Rams vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
STL:38
PIT:24

Super Bowl MVP: Steven Jackson RB St. Louis
NFL MVP: Ben Rothlisberger QB Pittsburgh
Rookie of the Year: Reggie Bush RB New Orleans

[Spartan]

way to perpetuate that stereotype, saint louis nhc fans.

[smyce]

If you really feel the Rams will win the west, well more power to you.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

people should stop making predictions if they're just gonna insist that their team is gonna win it all, no matter who they root for.

[gravymaster]

people should stop making predictions if they're just gonna insist that their team is gonna win it all, no matter who they root for.
Yeah, seriously. EVERYONE BOW TO ELI! WHY EVEN PLAY WHEN YOU KNOW BIG BLUE IS COMIN' THROUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!?!?!?!?

[kevin]

worse than curtis' picks almost

rams suck and will be lucky to hit .500

[mike_donnelly]

VIKINGS??!!??!!

if minnesota wins NFC North I will _____ < (insert something crazy here)

[Rekart]

The Rams might win the West, at least over or at .500, they're heavily underrated, but Super Bowl? Ha. Cardinals and Seahawks should obviously be the favorites, but if Bulger doesn't get hurt, the Rams will at least stay in it.

way to perpetuate that stereotype, saint louis nhc fans.

I've rarely been a homer in my picks or my views on any of my favorite teams.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

I've rarely been a homer in my picks or my views on any of my favorite teams.The Rams might win the West
.

[pat]

Lions to go 16-0 and Jon Kitna to win the MVP.
i win

[Rekart]

NFC North
Bears: 10-6
Vikings: 8-8
Packers: 7-9
Lions: 6-10

NFC South
Panthers: 13-3
Falcons: 9-7
Bucs: 7-9
Saints: 4-12

NFC East
Giants: 11-5
Redskins: 10-6 (WC)
Cowboys: 8-8
Eagles: 4-12

NFC West
Seahawks: 11-5
Cardinals: 10-6 (WC)
Rams: 9-7
49ers: 2-14

AFC North
Bengals: 12-4
Steelers: 11-5 (WC)
Ravens: 7-9
Browns: 4-12

AFC South
Colts: 12-4
Jags: 10-6
Texans: 4-12
Titans: 3-13

AFC East
Dolphins: 11-5
Pats: 10-6 (WC)
Jets: 5-11
Bills: 4-12

AFC West
Chiefs: 11-5
Broncos: 10-6
Chargers: 9-7
Raiders: 4-12

Super Bowl: Colts > Panthers (for the most common Super Bowl prediction of the preseason...)

[kevin]

no way the nfc west yields more winning teams than the nfc east AND nfc south

[Rekart]

If anything, I'd make the Rams 8-8 and the Cowboys 9-7, but they're obviously rough predictions.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

so you don't think the saints are really any better this year with brooks out of the way, brees in, and reggie bush with them now? 4-12 is pretty rough. i'm not expecting .500, but be nice.

and i don't see the rams cracking .500 this year either.

[mike_donnelly]

do you think saints will play Bush though?

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/9598798 < what's the deal with this? seems very odd, the article does not really go into detail.

[:bang:]

yeah i know, sure four superbowls are impressive, but he didn't win those all by himself. not saying he wasn't a good quarterback, but he had a great supporting cast around him as well. roethlisomething was hardly the best quarterback last year (sorry danno) but he had a great team to back him up. i just think the number of superbowls won shouldn't the biggest factor in distinguishing great quarterbacks.
roethisBERGER was first in passing yards, first in passer rating and first in passing touchdowns IN THE PLAYOFFS. sounds like he was the best when it mattered. hey you're team can go 16-0 and the steelers win the super bowl, but who's happy? this guy

i've heard lots of qbs say that they would trade it all for a super bowl win, but you never hear anyone say they would trade anything for better stats
people should stop making predictions if they're just gonna insist that their team is gonna win it all, no matter who they root for.
but mine was totally right last year

[gravymaster]

Danno, the real issue here is that the Steelers are giving the lowly Dolphins 5 points Week 1. Do I take this bet with all that happened with Ben, etc etc? I think so.

[Rekart]

so you don't think the saints are really any better this year with brooks out of the way, brees in, and reggie bush with them now? 4-12 is pretty rough. i'm not expecting .500, but be nice.

Four is a bit low, yeah, but I can't see them getting any more than 7. I think they'll be last in that division, however many wins that happens to be.

[:bang:]

Danno, the real issue here is that the Steelers are giving the lowly Dolphins 5 points Week 1. Do I take this bet with all that happened with Ben, etc etc? I think so.
honestly i dont bet, and if i did i'd NEVER bet on my own teams games...but yeah at home, putting up the banners and all that shit, the ketchup bottle's gonna be electric, folks

[DAntae]

really hoping the portis shoulder isn't a big deal. I understand pre-season is for guys on the edge hoping to make a team, and the get the regulars some rhythm but damn I was scared. brunell and lloyd just didn't click. expected that much. first string defense looked stingy. also praying brunell holds up, because our backup qb position is not looking good at all.

[kevin]

...but ours is. griese has looked fantastic so far, and grossman has looked like shit. i have a feeling griese will be starting after a few weeks

jones and benson really need to get healthy. adrian peterson doesn't scare anyone.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

well, when your entire team is made up of back-up quality QBs, i guess one of them is bound to look OK. too bad one of them probably has to end up starting.

edit: what happened to the AMAZING KYLE ORTON?

[kevin]

he's holding the clipboard for both of them

[Dead Nigga Storage]

i remember andy getting all bent out of shape about grossman going down last year. is he actually supposed to eventually be something half decent or what? because seriously, if he's not a future solid, legit, starter, than what the fuck is up with the bears and the QB spot?

[kevin]

i've asked myself that very same question for years now

yes, he is supposed to be the long term answer, but i really don't know. this is his fourth year and he's only started something like eight games. if he doesn't do it this year, i really can't see him in the future. too injury prone and too inconsistent don't work well as a starting quarterback. but we'll see. he was supposedlely looking very sharp through all of training camp before the preseason game.

speaking of injury prone, fuck you, mike brown. stop getting hurt.

[vinceq]

Anyone hear that speech by Junior Seau. I've gotten used to tear-filled retirement speechs. This one threw me for a whirl. I think this guy has just earned himself a couple motivational speaker gigs. Wow.

[Gabbo]

Anyone hear that speech by Junior Seau. I've gotten used to tear-filled retirement speechs. This one threw me for a whirl. I think this guy has just earned himself a couple motivational speaker gigs. Wow.

HE DID NOT RETIRE!!!

[smyce]

HE DID NOT RETIRE!!!

Ok I lawled.

[DAntae]

I appreciate seau's passion, but the dude didn't do a very good job. that was a weak speech. hope to god he has a stroke and is a mute when he is elected into the hall.

[pat]

just a reminder that the fantasy draft is tonight at 9:30 EDT. figured i'd remind you guys since i forgot all about it myself until a few minutes ago.

[kuumuus]

i'm going to keep portis in my top ten despite his injury. wish i could be there dammit :(

[:bang:]

i'd take portis even inspite of his sprained vagina. if he had heath miller's dead sexiness blocking for him, that is

[kevin]

thanks for the reminder. yeah, i kinda forgot too.

[doyle]

this is going to be my first go at this. hopes not high.

[DAntae]

i'd take portis even inspite of his sprained vagina. if he had heath miller's dead sexiness blocking for him, that is

he has a better pair of bookend tackles but thats neither here nor there. I expect his carries to be down, receptions to be up. just typical of how saunders does things.

[kuumuus]

haha, i got T.O. and kurt warner

[gravymaster]

Anyone hear that speech by Junior Seau. I've gotten used to tear-filled retirement speechs. This one threw me for a whirl. I think this guy has just earned himself a couple motivational speaker gigs. Wow.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2553051

What a faggot.

[boogie down mikel]

and shortest retirement ever goes to...

[gravymaster]

Now, I know it is ****JUST**** preseason....but the Giants looked good tonight. I almost pitched a tent....almost.

[DAntae]

yeah that chiefs defense is a good thing to measure yourself against. I kid, I kid. the giants offense should put up points and gain tons of yardage. still not sold on their defense, upgrades or not.

seau just walk away now. your body just cant do it anymore. this is why I hate guys playing well past their prime. its one thing if your old but can still contribute, but linebacker is a younger mans position.

[Gabbo]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2553051

What a faggot.

ugh, i hate when athletes do this. even though mj was one of my favorite players ever, i was still mad at him for coming out of retirement. for shame, seau.

[CMQ]

Not surprising with athletes and their agents these days.

[kevin]

Now, I know it is ****JUST**** preseason....but the Giants looked good tonight. I almost pitched a tent....almost.

substitute bears for giants. they looked just downright dominant tonight. and it was against a quality team in san diego. rashied davis is gonna have a a breakout year.

[mike_donnelly]

packers have cut kicker Billy Cundiff, which leaves only 1 kicker on the roster. Maybe they think they won't get in good enough position to kick for goal this season.

[kevin]

brett favre caps every scoring drive with a pick, so yeah, that is accurate

...don't they have ryan longwell, anyway? what good does billy cundiff do besides helping to push longwell harder?

[mike_donnelly]

Longwell is in the twin cities now. He played against Raiders a few days ago. Cundiff was to be his replacement, so now all that's left is a rookie.

[gravymaster]

substitute bears for giants.
Let's be serious here.

[kevin]

dominant as far as defense and special teams goes. we all know the offense is worthless. but to be fair it is still missing two huge pieces, and grossman looked A LITTLE better against a better d. so we're making progress

[gravymaster]

THA BEARS!

[kevin]

it's DA BEARS

here's a random picture of DA COACH flipping the bird. posted for no apparent reason

http://www.da-oneals.com/Ditka.JPG

[gravymaster]

You won't get any Ditka love here, Chi-town shitface. ;)

[kevin]

haha... i guess that's why he's flipping you off

but seriously hurry the fuck up and start the regular season. enough of this preseason shit. i want actual football

[Dead Nigga Storage]

yeah, hurry up so the bears can start losing some meaningful games.

[mike_donnelly]

I hope the Chicago Bears can lose, unlike the team which I play for who are also called Bears.