Superman Returns

[billi vanilli]

Yes, the movie is a year from release, and yes, there have been no teaser trailers, but let's start some discussion on what we'd like to see in the next Superman movie.

IMDb Page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348150/)

There was also an article in Entertainment Weekly (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1072888_7||1072975_0_,00.html) about the stars that I rather enjoyed.

Actually, there has been nothing really solid released from the studio other than the poster. (http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/000/940/199_cf53a08f2569c48772cdae929ccdf8f6.jpg)

I'm really looking forward to it. Bosworth cast as Lane is an odd choice, I will say, but I am very excited about the way Singer describes Metropolis. Rather than going for a real city, he is creating a city from scratch, much of which will be computer animated. It will be very much art deco, which I'm a sucker for anyway.

I honestly am looking forward to this more than I was Batman Begins, but I'm a major sucker for Superman.

Anyway, what do you think?

edit: oh, and check out the trivia page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348150/trivia) on IMDb. There's some very interesting stuff about the production and history of the movie.

yet another edit: Sorry if there's already been another thread on this.

[Kamerica]

It's a cool poster?

[Roarke]

kevin spacey as lex luther makes me laugh.

as does the fact that thano stared in the same show as superman. that's resume worthy.

[derelictpi]

I'm very excited for this one. With Bryan Singer directing it, I expect great things and am sure he will deliver.

I know some people didn't like the costume choice but I like it.

[mr. broom]

What's not to like about the costume? It's the costume.
I've watched some of the filmblog for this, and what I'm seeing has me excited.

[billi vanilli]

I'm sorry, but may I have the link?

[mr. broom]

http://countingdown.com/movies/1378/multimedia/images?item_id=3703577

[:bang:]

as does the fact that thano stared in the same show as superman. that's resume worthy.
stacy?

[Jolly Bengali]

I don't have most people's nostalgia for Superman, never really got into him... so just seems like it will be incredibly campy. Hope it turns out well though, mainly for Brian Singer's sake.

[Jimmy]

Im looking forward to this film more than any other film ever. Seriously. Its superman

[Wasteland]

I just can't see Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. And who the fuck is Brandon Routh? Man, this is gonna suck.

[Jimmy]

I can easily see Spacey as Luthor at least as a similar Luthor to Gene Hackman's charcater in the originals. And just because youve never heard of Brandon Routh doesnt mean he sucks, no one wants a big mega star as superman.

[mr. broom]

Absolutely. A major star playing Supes would make it about the actor and not the role. Good choice. Spacey as Luthor is an interesting idea: he can do evil and he can do intelligent, and those are really the only two things you need to play Lex, in general. Beyond that you can bring a lot of different things to the table.

[billi vanilli]

Broom, you say what I think... but you make it sound smart. Thanks.

[Moose of Doom!]

And who the fuck is Brandon Routh? Man, this is gonna suck.

...because Christopher Reeve was ever so famous when he was cast as Superman.

:uhh:

[Kamp Krusty Kamper]

All I know is that Marlon Brando is in this from the archive footage.

[Curtis]

Brain Singer betrayed the X-Men movies to make this movie.. and I belive the actor who played Cyclops is in this also.

[Semaj]

Let's hope the theme music is as good as the original John Williams orchestration. His music is hypnotic! :boggled:

[Moose of Doom!]

Brain Singer betrayed the X-Men movies to make this movie.. and I belive the actor who played Cyclops is in this also.

It's Fox's fault for letting him get away after not even trying for TWO years to ask him to do X3.

And by losing Singer they also ending up loosing the writers, the editor/composer, an actor or two, and a consistant directorial vision in exchange for the director of Rush Hour and a mutant prostitute.

[mr. broom]

Yeah, Singer wanted to make both Superman and X3, but Fox ran him off, so he decided to commit fully to Superman, a movie he'd been wanting to make for years. Not Singer's fault Fox had a full hate-on for the guy.

[Wasteland]

...because Christopher Reeve was ever so famous when he was cast as Superman.

:uhh:


Hey, I was just pointing out that I don't really know his acting skill, and for all we know, he could be just as horrible or worse than Dean Cain.

Then again, he could surprise us, and blow our minds. Anyway, I'm just not that ephusiastic about this Superman movie. It will be a success most likely, but that doesn't mean it's going to be great.

[billi vanilli]

I think it could be just like Batman Begins was... but better, because it's Superman.

(sorry, but I like Superman more than Batman)

Anyway, the similarities are shocking. The original Superman: The Movie and the original Batman movies were amazing, and the return to Batman was great. Plus, there's just so much riding on this that I'm sure Singer will make it work.

Or maybe I'm being an optomistic jackass that needs to stop talking typing.

Oh, and they wouldn't cast an unknown if he wasn't good.

[samsa]

I am excited to see Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor.

[Jolly Bengali]

It's Fox's fault for letting him get away after not even trying for TWO years to ask him to do X3.

And by losing Singer they also ending up loosing the writers, the editor/composer, an actor or two, and a consistant directorial vision in exchange for the director of Rush Hour and a mutant prostitute.

Relax about the mutant prostitute and the Brett-ness. The first won't amount to anything and the second isn't the end of the world. Worry about the fact that we miss Nightie, Storm gets a bigger role, and mutants die.

[jim]

They should have based the movies on the death and life of Superman series of comics, they were great. It could have been a two parter, with the first climaxing with Superman's battle with Doomsday and his apparent death, and could have concluded with the 4 "supermen" claiming to be Superman, and been continued in the next film. That would have rocked.

I've been a huge fan of Superman all my life (in fact IV was the first I movie I ever saw in the cinema), but I have a lot of doubts about this one. Going simply by physical appearance Brandon Routh is nowhere near as good as Reeve. He looks like one of those guys you see walking around Universal Studios that kids get their photos with. But then its far to early to judge. But I hope we finally have a Lois with the right colored hair!

And it could have been far, far worse, look at this snippet from IMDB's trivia section:

"When this project was originally in pre-production in the mid-1990s, Tim Burton was attached to direct, Nicolas Cage was attached as Superman, Jack Nicholson as Lex Luthor and Sandra Bullock as Lois Lane."

Apart from Tim Burton, theres so much wrong with that.

I found it interesting that Johnny Depp was considered for Lex Luthor. He'd have been awesome in that role.

[SideshowTim]

superman should be louder, angrier and have acess to a time machine.

[DAntae]

that guy looks too much like fallon for my taste. I want to be excited but we didnt need a new superman movie...not yet anyhow.

[billi vanilli]

superman should be louder, angrier and have acess to a time machine.
sarcasm, I hope.

[Wasteland]

Hey, why don't they get Dirk Richter to play Superman?

[reyontoyeny]

Bump. A 5 minute-trailer debuted at ComicCon. I've been searching for the video, but I can't find a single site to download it from. Anyone seen it?

[Jolly Bengali]

They have that much footage?

Christ, there is no fucking way X-Men 3 can expect to match this film's release date. Fuck Fox.

[derelictpi]

Yeah, X-Men 3 is really screwing itself by trying to beat Superman to theaters. Take your time.

[StrideR]

All I've seen online is Bryan Singer filming a scene where Clark Kent (in Smallville) hurls a baseball into the distance.

And by Smallville, I mean the fictional location, not the show.

[billi vanilli]

bummmp.

http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/

the official site is up, complete with the teaser poster. the teaser trailer will go out with goblet of fire.

any thoughts?

[Keller]

stoked.

[Wonderboy]

Second trailer is up. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/trailer2/) The visuals look astonishing.

[gravymaster]

That trailer is FUCKING awesome. The thing I like about this movie (that I didn't know before) is that it is an actual direct sequel to Superman 2 and takes place after Superman and Zod go at it.

[billi vanilli]

clever ending. yeah, this movie is going to rule. hopefully it'll be better than the overrated batman begins. they look like completely different movies, though.

batman begins (like spiderman 2) was just too wrapped up in the whole 'pathos' of the superheroes. this looks like it'll just be kickass summer fun, done really well. visuals looked great, as said before, and the overall tone of the trailer was just really adventurous and amusing.

can not WAIT for this.

[gravymaster]

clever ending. yeah, this movie is going to rule. hopefully it'll be better than the overrated batman begins. they look like completely different movies, though.

batman begins (like spiderman 2) was just too wrapped up in the whole 'pathos' of the superheroes. this looks like it'll just be kickass summer fun, done really well. visuals looked great, as said before, and the overall tone of the trailer was just really adventurous and amusing.

can not WAIT for this.
Can't agree with you on the Batman Begins hate (I loved it), but if this movie is even HALF as good as Batman Begins I am going to freak out.

[Mafia]

i'd rather they had started over. Since the Superman movie came out, the comics had undergone a radical change (Clark Kent being a person, not an act; Luthor being a billionaire businessman who was the hero of the city before Superman). Since most forms of media have followed the newer Superman origin (Lois and Clark, Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League, Smallville) of late, I'm a bit disappointed to have things be the same old quo as the old movies... although Luthor does appear menacing, but moreso in a crazy Superfriends way.

[mr. broom]

Spacey as Luthor was casting brilliance, and if the dialogue in the rest of the film is as good as it is in the trailer, this is going to be pretty great.

[billi vanilli]

Can't agree with you on the Batman Begins hate (I loved it), but if this movie is even HALF as good as Batman Begins I am going to freak out.
yeah, i know i'm in the minority with my opinion on that movie. i can see why people liked it, it just wasn't really my thing. but yeah, if the action in this is as good as the action in batman begins, it will be great.

[Moose of Doom!]

i'd rather they had started over. Since the Superman movie came out, the comics had undergone a radical change (Clark Kent being a person, not an act; Luthor being a billionaire businessman who was the hero of the city before Superman). Since most forms of media have followed the newer Superman origin (Lois and Clark, Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League, Smallville) of late, I'm a bit disappointed to have things be the same old quo as the old movies... although Luthor does appear menacing, but moreso in a crazy Superfriends way.

I don't know about you but there's only so many times I can watch/read/hear Superman's origin before it gets a little boring (same with Batman).

Besides, I'd say Luthor looks pretty wealthy in this. Also, WRONG!

[Jolly Bengali]

Spacey looks inarguably good as Luthor; the rest of the trailer = ehhh.... I love certain aspects of what they're doing, and seems great visually, but the dialogue just doesn't work. I dunno. I have faith it'll be good, but I don't think either of the two summer superhero movies are going to do anything for me on the scale that X2, Batman Begins, or Spider-Man 2 did.

[Gay4Moleman]

This movie has to be excellent for the mere fact that it's been talked about/delayed for-fucking-ever! I have high hopes, and Kevin Spacey is one of the greatest actors of our generation; his presence gives the film instant credibility.

[George]

http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif
for a second i thought that was schwartzman

i'm really looking forward to this. i enjoyed the comicbooks, but not the reeves movies.

[Wonderboy]

I too did not know that this was a direct continuation of the series until I read otherwise about the plot. I would have been up for a re-start of the series, but I think either way it will work out. It could probably be looked at as both a re-start and a continuation of the previous films.

I keep watching the trailer, and I just can' get over the visual effects, they're the best I've ever seen.

[Kamerica]

"An essential characteristic of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero, and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When he wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic that Superman stands alone. Superman did not become Superman, Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears, the glasses, the business suit, that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent? He's weak, he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race."
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/36/Billdavecarradine.jpg/250px-Billdavecarradine.jpg

[terriyaki]

jumping on the 'spacey as luthor will be awesome' bandwagon. i really didn't have any high expectations for this movie when i first heard about it but now that i know kevin will be playing luthor i will definitely be expecting more from it. kate bosworth as lois doesn't really entice me, though.

[Mafia]

meh. i like clark kent the person, superman the disguise better...

by the way, the whole WRONG sequence in the trailer, although I felt it a bit out of place, was great. The whole trailer was great. Although Bosworth might be the Katie Holmes of this movie.

[Drew]

Just saw the full trailer, looks great. My expectations are high, looks like it might deliver too. Spacey as Luthor looks to be perfectly cast.

[jim]

"An essential characteristic of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero, and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When he wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic that Superman stands alone.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/36/Billdavecarradine.jpg/250px-Billdavecarradine.jpg
I dont agree with this about Batman. Bruce Wayne is as much of an act as Clark Kent ever was. The "real" Bruce Wayne, known prob ably only to Alfred and a few others is Batman.

[mr. broom]

Also, at least one of the major DC continuity revamps put it down in writing, more or less, that Clark Kent is who he really is (not to say that this is necessarily the case now--DC continuity is about as solid as pudding).

[Jolly Bengali]

I'm pretty sure you're right about the current state, though... heroes called him Clark. They had that whole Crisis brouhaha too, where he got depowered (temporarily), so that pretty much seals it.

[billi vanilli]

BUMP FOR TRAILER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_T2nBflUgM&search=new%20superman%20returns%20trailer

has anyone actually seen this on the big screen?

because the last ten seconds of that video are like sex

[mr. broom]

Luthor's little exchange with Lois is still my favorite thing about this film. The bullet bit is way impressive, though.

[Wonderboy]

I'm not digging the new TV spot, not because of the footage, just the fact that POD is the music they chose.

Anyway, I'm getting pretty excited. I read this interesting piece in some magazine (I think Wired) where it talked about how the 3D IMAX will work. Sounds interesting, but it's a shame it'll only be a small portion of the movie in 3D.

[gravymaster]

I love the part of the commercial where he is walking towards a baddie with a machine gun as he is shooting away on his chest. Fucking awesome stuff.

[Gatorgod]

Actors that Look like Superman from the vintage comic books, Both Revee & Revees had it down right. Dean Cain looked more like Superboy, My only guff with this new fellow is,.... His face looks too skinny! There, I said it!
On all the posters and advance products with his image on it, It seems to me that he has the Thinnest head of all the superman actors!
I was willing to let this bias make me sour toward the new movie! ..But the action filled trailers are too awesome! That part where he's walking along normal like whilst heavy artillery is raining on him flipped my lid.

[grissom]

I love the part of the commercial where he is walking towards a baddie with a machine gun as he is shooting away on his chest. Fucking awesome stuff.
That's my favorite shot out of all the ads I've seen. I'm really looking forward to this

[billi vanilli]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

ninety percent on rottentomatoes. but with only ten reviews.

it's getting closer... and i'm getting more impatient.

[gravymaster]

Does anyone else think that if this opens to GREAT reviews it could break Spiderman's numbers? People are still waiting for that huge blockbuster movie this summer.

[Kamerica]

i dont know if superman has the same appeal, though.

i mean, he's not exactly dark and brooding for today's generation; and the star is an unkown.

but hell, the kids love the comic books, and superman is as american as apple pie, so who knows.

[mr. broom]

I really don't see them eating each other's numbers that much. People are gonna wanna do both.

[Eddie]

I don't think it'll do Spider-Man numbers, but it'll still be pretty damn big.

[grissom]

Agreed with Eddie. This is definitely going to be awesome, I can't wait for it

[Moose of Doom!]

It'll do good, hopefully really good, but if anything's going to break Spiderman's numbers this summer it'll probably be Pirates 2.

[Drew]

As much as I think Superman is awesome, and think Pirates 2 will be great ; the only thing that should beat Spidermans record is Spiderman 3.

[Jolly Bengali]

This will do Aquaman numbers, mark my words

[jim]

I hope something breaks Spiderman's record, that movie doesnt deserve to hold the record. This movie is looking great so far. As a kid the Reeve movies were my favorite movies and I watched them to death. My interst in this movie piqued when I found out it kind a sequal to those films, and the trailer looks good.

[Jolly Bengali]

I'm really looking forward to it... hoping to get in on opening night with my friend, worked wonders for the enjoyment of X3.

[Gatorgod]

I Hate how the news media has been trying to smear Supermans Image with Gay rumours! :angry: Where do they come up with this nonsense?
http://files.samhart.net/humor/Superman%27s_Action_Comics.jpg

[grissom]

With any luck, I'll be able to go to one of the late night showings tomorrow. I'm not really that obsessive of a fan, I just think it'd be fun. I've never done that before.

Edit: Yep, definitely going to a screening at 10:00 tomorrow night.

[Kiyosuki]

My friends and I are going to see it opening night tomorrow too, at 10.

It looks like its going to be great. Even the theoretical aerodynamics of Superman in flight has been studied for this film apparently.

While Superman isn't as brooding a character as Spiderman and the like, I think he holds a certain universal appeal to everyone when he's done right. Even among comic book circles, few other superhero stories invoke the same amount of passion as Superman does...I think its because there's so many different ways to interpret the story. Its modern myth and tall tale at its purest form.

[Jimmy]

Superman should break Spiderman's record, it's Superman, I can't think of anyone not wanting to see this.

[grissom]

Superman should break Spiderman's record, it's Superman, I can't think of anyone not wanting to see this.
You'd be surprised. Nearly all of my friends couldn't care less, with the exception of the one I'm seeing it with tomorrow night. I thought a lot more people would be interested in it.

[billi vanilli]

yeah, what the fuck. this should have way more buzz than this.

[Kiyosuki]

Its tough to say...but I'm not that surprised. Superman is I think more so than any other Super Hero save Batman, so ingrained and deeply rooted into modern culture that maybe he's viewed in a more casual way by many than even slightly more niche superheroes.

[Curtis]

I am not a big fan of Superman, I never liked the charater the idea of someone with that many powers, for me Marvel >>> DC (although I do enjoy Batman). However, I still plan to check out this movie, I like Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey and I want to see how this movie stacks up to X-Men 3 which I hated and despised.

[billi vanilli]

you're stupid.

[Kiyosuki]

Now now..

I'm not the biggest comic book fan around, but something interesting from a purely literary view about Superman that makes him a little bit more unique over the other super hero stories is that he's the most interpretive comic book hero of them all.

He has all those powers yes, but there's many implications of that. The philosophical debates that rage between Luthor and Superman I think hold a lot of subtle social commentary about the world today.

But thats just one interpretation. Superman could borderline on mary sue sometimes, sometimes he can be a villain in disguise...sometimes he's a good man trapped in a very complicated situation with his power and the responsibility that comes with it.

He's the least rigid of the Superhero comics so I think thats part of why it endures so much. Its similar but flip sided with Batman.

[TheForbiddenDonut]

Looking forward to this movie greatly. I think that people view Superman wrongly most of the time, only looking at his lack of physical flaws. When he is done right, you can see that he has many inner and philosophical dilemnas involving being an outsider and the last survivor of his world. Superman is often struggling with acceptance in the comics, and if people could get over his physical strength and invulnerability, they could realize what a deep character he is. He can lift tons but in the wake of disease he is rendered helpless, showing that physical strength isn't always needed. Luthor also is a great counter character to Superman as he could be so easily defeated by Superman and yet holds such a strong economic power so that he is respected by a misguided people, leaving Superman one of the few that can see through him, and yet doesn't have the status to touch him. People really should give Superman a chance. I am very much hoping that Singer explores the flawed aspect of Superman in this movie.

[Ihaveblink]

Don't really care.

[jim]

I for one cant wait. Im so over all the comic book movies of late, and most of them have been pretty overrated, but this looks different from any of them and looks great. And the only other superhero movie I thought lived up to the hype was a DC hero (Batman Begins) so thats a good sign.

And if Superman is gay, he's got nothing on Batman.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/Batman_panel_-_Robin_what_have_I_done_to_you.jpg

[Dead Nigga Storage]

my dad saw it at an advanced screening tonight, and even though he hates kevin spacey for the most part, said he was fantastic and the entire movie was phenomenal. he thought it was better than batman begins from last summer. i, on the other hand, shall be seeing it tomorrow night at 10:00PM.

and this won't break spiderman's record, because in 2 weeks it'll have pirates riding on its ass, and spiderman opened on a huge memorial day weekend, plus it had the appeal of coming out WITH the massive wave of comic book adaptations that all seemed to slam us at once. i think, to some degree, the feeling of comic book movie love is dying. something REALLY needs to beat titanic, though. it's always sickened me that that is the number one movie of all time in the box office.

oh, also: the general manager of our theater said that test focus groups who they build their movie openings around said that they will be opening superman on 3 of their 12 screens. the same test groups are showing that they will be opening pirates on 4 screens. thosse groups serve the voice of the whole company, not just our specific location.

[billi vanilli]

that's great news scooter. looking forward to it even more.

although saying it's better than batman begins is no real accomplishment, imo. pretty sure i posted my thoughts on that movie earlier in this thread.

Don't really care.
you're stupid too.

[Jolly Bengali]

Now now..

I'm not the biggest comic book fan around, but something interesting from a purely literary view about Superman that makes him a little bit more unique over the other super hero stories is that he's the most interpretive comic book hero of them all.

He has all those powers yes, but there's many implications of that. The philosophical debates that rage between Luthor and Superman I think hold a lot of subtle social commentary about the world today.

But thats just one interpretation. Superman could borderline on mary sue sometimes, sometimes he can be a villain in disguise...sometimes he's a good man trapped in a very complicated situation with his power and the responsibility that comes with it.

He's the least rigid of the Superhero comics so I think thats part of why it endures so much. Its similar but flip sided with Batman.

I'm really not sure what you're saying here... are you saying there are many different ways to "interpret" Superman? What does that actually mean? Couldn't the same be said for a large amount of superheroes/comic book characters/fictional characters/Star Wars aliens/etc.? And how is Batman similar but "flip-sided"?

Not trying to make fun of you, just genuinely curious what you're getting at.


As for Superman being a great character, this is true, but his deepness as a character multiplies the difficulties of telling a good Superman story exponentially - there have been only a handful of really good Superman arcs that weren't the origin story in the ~70 year history of Superman in comics.

[Jimmy]

But I can think of a whole generation who experienced the orginal wanting to see this on top of the teens - late 20's age range. Superman is what i'd say, more than a comic book character.

[Drew]

I work tonight until 11. Gay.

They are not doing any midnight shows for some reason, so I am going to have to wait until tomorrow morning.

[Kiyosuki]

I'm really not sure what you're saying here... are you saying there are many different ways to "interpret" Superman? What does that actually mean? Couldn't the same be said for a large amount of superheroes/comic book characters/fictional characters/Star Wars aliens/etc.? And how is Batman similar but "flip-sided"?

Not trying to make fun of you, just genuinely curious what you're getting at.


As for Superman being a great character, this is true, but his deepness as a character multiplies the difficulties of telling a good Superman story exponentially - there have been only a handful of really good Superman arcs that weren't the origin story in the ~70 year history of Superman in comics.

What I mean is that I think he's the broadest super hero character, maybe since he's one of the first...and certainly the one that jump started most, if not all superhero stories today.

He's like the most basic superhero archtype in so many ways. Its true that you can interpret any superhero story or character...or anything in general in many ways but when it comes to superheroes, I don't think any are as interpretable as Superman because he's so basic. No matter how you take it, Spiderman's purpose and story is pretty straight forward, the X-Men's story and theme is what it is, Green Lantern is what he is, Spawn is what he is etc etc. The themes of most comic book stories can become more complex and debatable, like with the Punisher...but the their distinct themes in the end are essentially what they are.

Superman though I think is a bit different in how its very core theme can be many different things as we've seen so many comic authors take advantage of over the years. It can be a campy story about a larger than life hero where everything ends up a-ok in the end...or it could be an extremely dark philosophical debate...or even a satire of Superhero stories in general as I've seen a couple of times. More so than any other superhero story, Superman's theme is the most flexible I think.

The reason why I say Batman is the flip side of the same thing is that in many ways, Batman is a basic archtype himself. Where as Superman is more worldly, Batman is more personal and mental. But the very themes of Batman are extremely flexible. They can range from dark, to incredibly dark, to reasonably campy...all the same as Superman in a way. Still maybe not as "basic" as Superman but I think thats why Batman vs Superman is the ultimate unanswerable question. Its like dark vs light.

Thats why I think those two heroes hold a particularly broad appeal in modern culture.

[Jolly Bengali]

I get to post the first review of Superman in the thread - awesome.

I fucking adored the film, on the level I loved King Kong (which I also flipped out about.) It's slow at times, it's a little long, and the ending drags a bit, but every scene is wonderful, the entire picture is absolutely beautiful, you can feel the entire massive budget in every shot, the epic moments are beyond epic, and there were even genuine surprises. And it even manages something like a 15 for 17 batting average on the funny little jokes that all serious movies throw in. Was my birthday for the second half of the film, and officially the best birthday ever now.


Thanks for explaining yourself, Kiyosuki, it's pretty clear now :)

[Keller]

Just got back from seeing it. Awesome movie. Frickin loved it. I'd say it's one of the best, if not the best, superhero movie. Jolly Bengali pretty much nailed it with the reasoning.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

two complaints in an otherwise perfect film:

1) in a film where a massive earthquake shakes apart an entire city, 40 people are tossed around inside of a 767 at thousands on miles per hour (potentially), the entire city gas system blows up, a yacht is destroyed, an entire island springs up in the middle of the atlantic, and there are several blackouts across an entire coast, and SUPERMAN is the only one who ever sees any hospital time...maybe at least a nick on lois forehead for being slammed into a wall at hundreds of miles an hour?

2) the complete ignoring of the workings of our atmosphere. nothing burns up or disintegrates when going to and from our planet's atmosphere now?

i know, i know suspension of belief. but those things were just WAAAAAAAAAAY out there, even for a superhero movie. things went a bit too far in that sense.

[sweetmercifulcrap]

I was thinking the same thing about the first part of your spoiler. No cuts or bruises?

BUT, after I suspended my disbelief...this is the best movie of the summer. I was literally smiling the entire movie and on the edge of my seat. After X3 left me very disapointed, it just goes to show how a talented director makes or breaks a movie. Singer is just an unbelievable talent, and I'm glad he went all out with this movie rather than brett ratner trying to do something he can't do. Simply an unbelievable movie, just perfect in almost every way.

and even though he hates kevin spacey for the most part

This I don't understand. Spacey is one of the best modern actors out there. I supposed your dad likes Keanu reeves more? ;)

[Dead Nigga Storage]

haha. i'm sure he hates keanu reeves more. i think it's that he thinks that spacey tends to over-act at times, and gets a bit irritating, and i can at least SEE what he's getting at, even if i disagree.

[sweetmercifulcrap]

True, spacey chews the scenery from time to time, but how anyone can watch american beauty and say they don't like him is beyond me

[jim]

Despite myself I read your spoilers. Every Superman movie is guilty of the second one. Lets not forget such things in the previous movies as a sunrise and flag blowing in the wind on the moon. But its probably not worth talking about realism in a movie about a flying man.

I can kind of understand people not liking Spacey. I like him and he's a great actor, but sometimes it feels like he's playing the same character in every movie. He's always a laid back droll kind of guy. From what I've seen so far, he looks a lot different as Luthor.

[grissom]

Absolutely kicked ass. JB covered pretty much everything I was going to say. Let me just be the first to mention that the bullet to the eye shot was incredibly awesome. Our theater was even giving out free posters for the first 30 people in the door. Granted, it's one of those mini posters, but it was still free.

[Mr. Plow]

It's a hell of a lot better than X3, which I truely hated. The movie is a little long at 2 and a half hours (I checked my cell for the time once in awhile). I like Kevin Spacey's work, but I didn't like him as Lex. I didn't like Bosworth as Lois Lane, either. I don't know if it's me, but I feel like Brandon Routh didn't have that much dialouge in the film. James Marsden played a bigger role in this film than I anticipated, which makes sense considering his brief cameo in The Last Stand. Still, it's an enjoyable film thats worth seeing because it is Superman, you know. But he's no Batman. 3/5

[Jim Jones]

Yes, the movie is a year from release, and yes, there have been no teaser trailers, but let's start some discussion on what we'd like to see in the next Superman movie.

IMDb Page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348150/)

There was also an article in Entertainment Weekly (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1072888_7||1072975_0_,00.html) about the stars that I rather enjoyed.

Actually, there has been nothing really solid released from the studio other than the poster. (http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/000/940/199_cf53a08f2569c48772cdae929ccdf8f6.jpg)

I'm really looking forward to it. Bosworth cast as Lane is an odd choice, I will say, but I am very excited about the way Singer describes Metropolis. Rather than going for a real city, he is creating a city from scratch, much of which will be computer animated. It will be very much art deco, which I'm a sucker for anyway.

I honestly am looking forward to this more than I was Batman Begins, but I'm a major sucker for Superman.

Anyway, what do you think?

edit: oh, and check out the trivia page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348150/trivia) on IMDb. There's some very interesting stuff about the production and history of the movie.

yet another edit: Sorry if there's already been another thread on this.


Looks like it will be good, and being a superman fan makes it a must-see, at least for me.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

Despite myself I read your spoilers. Every Superman movie is guilty of the second one. Lets not forget such things in the previous movies as a sunrise and flag blowing in the wind on the moon. But its probably not worth talking about realism in a movie about a flying man.flying man i can take, jim, because he's superman and the movie is based around his amazing abilities and he's not human. outside of that, if you go and see the movie, i think you'll see more what i mean. besides superman, all earth-related things should be obeying earth-related sciences.

[Kiyosuki]

It was an extremely fun movie. Like Batman Begins, the best part of this film in my mind was that it didn't try to be something it wasn't. It was a Superman film, plain and simple.

On more in depth notes, the characterization was pretty spot on. I know some die hard comic book fans will probably not like that its a direct sequel to the Reeve films...for some reason....but I think that was a pretty good decision because we didn't have to get into his whole origin all over again.

And the cool thing about Superman is that its so eternal and enduring...this film could be just a random adventure of Superman's and still be awsome just because he's such a modern myth now. That was handled pretty well.

[sikkbones]

Two years ago when it was announced that Bryan Singer was going to helm the next reinvention of Superman, I was quite excited. A year later when I saw the teaser trailer for Superman Returns during Smallville, I was gitty with joy and anticipation. Three months ago when the official trailer for Superman Returns came out, I was wincing in my seat worried that this sequel idea was going to hell...

Tonight at 10 pm I sat down with nothing but hope for this movie to wow me like I was during Batman Begins. I was ready for a thrill ride through the sky and space attatched to the yellow S on the red cape. However, that changed to utter disgust for what was being shown on screen. The complete downgrading and humiliation of Superman in his return.

After the first 30 minutes of the movie my face was stuck in puzzlement. Curious to why Superman would leave to go to his destroyed homeworld simply because Astrologists thought they had found it. Almost as if Superman thought Jor-El was lying to him all this time. Wasn't the vision of Krypton blowing up in Superman 1 good enough??? Anyways, Superman returns in the same spaceship that he arrived on when he was a child. How he found another ship or was able to fit in the one he was in as a child is never explained.

Basically this movie is Lois Lane and Her Son co-starring Cyclops and Superman w/ a special guest appearance of Kevin Spacey.

Oh and Lex's diabolical plan made me laugh out loud. I thought it was a joke...little did I know he was being serious.

BTW does anyone remember how this was supposed to be a sequel to the other movies from the 80's? Perhaps not a sequel to all of them but atleast a sequel to Superman 1 and 2 right? Well Lois must have Alzeimers because she has absolutley no idea that Clark Kent is Superman when the second movie was mostly Clark revealing himself to Lois. Not to mention the 2 of them didn't "get it on" until the second one. YOU CANT PICK AND CHOOSE PARTS OF THE FORMER MOVIES TO CALL YOUR FILM A SEQUEL!

Go home and rent Daredevil, that was a little better than this (Daredevil was baaad as well). Hell, watch Elektra...that movie did the character more justice than Singer did Superman.

[grissom]

There's a thread already, you can rant there.

[gravymaster]

Merged.

[jim]

BTW does anyone remember how this was supposed to be a sequel to the other movies from the 80's? Perhaps not a sequel to all of them but atleast a sequel to Superman 1 and 2 right? Well Lois must have Alzeimers because she has absolutley no idea that Clark Kent is Superman when the second movie was mostly Clark revealing himself to Lois. Not to mention the 2 of them didn't "get it on" until the second one. YOU CANT PICK AND CHOOSE PARTS OF THE FORMER MOVIES TO CALL YOUR FILM A SEQUEL!


Hmm maybe you should actually watch those movies again before getting so irate over Superman Returns not following the continuity. At the end of Superman 2, Superman uses the "super kiss" (something that actually came from the comics) to make Lois forget that Clark is Superman.
So Superman Returns was spot on with its continuity from the Reeves movies.

[TheForbiddenDonut]

Go home and rent Daredevil, that was a little better than this (Daredevil was baaad as well). Hell, watch Elektra...that movie did the character more justice than Singer did Superman.

You're an idiot.

I will admit I wasn't a fan of the whole 'Superman has a son thing', but this is so amazing to look at. Chosing to make this film a sequel to the old films is a brilliant choice, as it seems to be a bit symbolic in a sense. The country needed Superman during WWII as a sign of comfort, but no one cared during the 90's. Now that America has been going through another war, it seems so perfect to make Superman return from being forgotten into being realized again as a symbol of hope. Actually the world in the movie went through the exact ordeal our world had in regards to forgetting the Man of Steel. Bryan Singer was definitely at his best. Lex Luthor was wonderful. He had a 'real life' essence to him in regards to the way Kevin Spacey portrayed him, and yet an evil genius persona only found in a movie or a comic-book. Singer did a great job of turning Superman's relationship with Lois into something believable, and showing that where physical strength is worthless, even the Man of Steel does have his flaws. Oh yeah, the special effects were stunning as well. Great movie.

[Kamerica]

otherwise, the film was good. not perfect, but good. brian singer did great work with the franchise, and i applaud him for that, and kevin spacey was great (as expected), but there was something missing in the man of steel himself. maybe i didnt like brandon routh (and his lack of charisma)...maybe i just found the idea of a superhero with no character flaws a bit boring. maybe i was just overhyped with all the glowing reviews the movie has gotten (i can understand all the superman love though).

however, the visuals were great, spectacular to look at, etc. etc.

once again, i liked the movie, i just wasnt blown away.

[sikkbones]

Hmm maybe you should actually watch those movies again before getting so irate over Superman Returns not following the continuity. At the end of Superman 2, Superman uses the "super kiss" (something that actually came from the comics) to make Lois forget that Clark is Superman.
So Superman Returns was spot on with its continuity from the Reeves movies.


you think with all that latex superman used on Zod he'd have found time to buy a condom... irresponsible superhero's and their abandoned children.. on the next springer...

[StrideR]

Dude, learn to use spoiler tags or shut the fuck up!

[billi vanilli]

preferably the second

[sikkbones]

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Two years ago when it was announced that Bryan Singer was going to helm the next reinvention of Superman, I was quite excited. A year later when I saw the teaser trailer for Superman Returns during Smallville, I was gitty with joy and anticipation. Three months ago when the official trailer for Superman Returns came out, I was wincing in my seat worried that this sequel idea was going to hell...

Tonight at 10 pm I sat down with nothing but hope for this movie to wow me like I was during Batman Begins. I was ready for a thrill ride through the sky and space attatched to the yellow S on the red cape. However, that changed to utter disgust for what was being shown on screen. The complete downgrading and humiliation of Superman in his return.

After the first 30 minutes of the movie my face was stuck in puzzlement. Curious to why Superman would leave to go to his destroyed homeworld simply because Astrologists thought they had found it. Almost as if Superman thought Jor-El was lying to him all this time. Wasn't the vision of Krypton blowing up in Superman 1 good enough??? Anyways, Superman returns in the same spaceship that he arrived on when he was a child. How he found another ship or was able to fit in the one he was in as a child is never explained.

Basically this movie is Lois Lane and Her Son co-starring Cyclops and Superman w/ a special guest appearance of Kevin Spacey.

Oh and Lex's diabolical plan made me laugh out loud. I thought it was a joke...little did I know he was being serious.

BTW does anyone remember how this was supposed to be a sequel to the other movies from the 80's? Perhaps not a sequel to all of them but atleast a sequel to Superman 1 and 2 right? Well Lois must have Alzeimers because she has absolutley no idea that Clark Kent is Superman when the second movie was mostly Clark revealing himself to Lois. Not to mention the 2 of them didn't "get it on" until the second one. YOU CANT PICK AND CHOOSE PARTS OF THE FORMER MOVIES TO CALL YOUR FILM A SEQUEL!

Go home and rent Daredevil, that was a little better than this (Daredevil was baaad as well). Hell, watch Elektra...that movie did the character more justice than Singer did Superman.
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that's not fair... i was voicing my opinion...

[billi vanilli]

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and about the movie, i'm going to try my very very hardest to see it tomorrow night on one of those special digital projection screens. makes everything look like crystal.

[sikkbones]

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[Dead Nigga Storage]

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[sikkbones]

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[sweetmercifulcrap]

he could kill you, that wouldn't be fair.

But giving you warning points that really mean nothing...get over it

[Drew]

I hate when people bitch about stupid shit like anybody cares.
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Anyways, I watched Superman Returns this morning, and I was impressed. Visuals were amazing (as expected), and I thought the story was well played out. After hearing the reviews (they kept saying it was similar to the first 2 superman movies), I expected it to be pretty campy. I also wasn't sure what to think about the whole kid thing and the fiance', but it braught some intresting character dynamic to the table.

Hope they make a sequel.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

one is already in the early stages, according to imdb, drew.

[Kiyosuki]

I actually kind of wish they would just leave it like this, and not continue with the series. This would be such a great place to just leave it....there's no absolute closure with Luthor out there, but there's just enough to see that Superman's character development has come a full circle from the first film...at least when it comes to the films themselves.

Sort of leave it at that "the adventure never ends, but this particular story is over" sort of deal. Thats a great way for a timeless comic book like Superman especially to end on I think.

Of course its probably wishful thinking, they will make some sort of followup probably. I'm just not sure how much further the Superman character can be taken in this continuity...maybe they'll reboot it?

[CMQ]

I liked it a lot. Spacey rules! The guy who played Superman wasn't a very good actor but whatever. I didn't think Bosworth was that hot before seeing the movie, she kinda grew on me but I still think they could have gotten a hotter Lois Lane. The special effects were kickass and there were actually quite a few laughs. Definately worth your money IMO.

[Jolly Bengali]

I will say that Superman was very, very weak compared to Batman Begins in terms of setting up for the sequel - Batman Begins in many ways was designed as a franchise reboot, whereas this was just something where it seemed like "we're happy to just finally have a movie, fuck really setting up for anything." Certain twists of the plot and the final situation at the end really don't seem to lend themselves to a sequel, or at least anything that would be as good

[Kiyosuki]

I will say that Superman was very, very weak compared to Batman Begins in terms of setting up for the sequel - Batman Begins in many ways was designed as a franchise reboot, whereas this was just something where it seemed like "we're happy to just finally have a movie, fuck really setting up for anything." Certain twists of the plot and the final situation at the end really don't seem to lend themselves to a sequel, or at least anything that would be as good

Yeah... I mean I liked the movie a lot. It captured a lot of the ideal of Superman which is very important. But I can't help but feel like this film is a perfect end to the old Reeves film continuity...and it can't really go that much further from here.

I know it'll annoy some people but maybe a reboot would be in order if they ever choose to make another for certain...and hopefully that'll be a while so that it can have time again to have its anticipation grow and to separate it from this continuity.

In a way this film was a big tribute to Reeves I think, which is cool but I still just don't see how much further this particular continuity can go. I mean...that whole speech he gives in front of his boy when he's sleeping, and that realization that everything has come full circle is pretty final. Its honestly a beautiful way to end this particular continuity. From here I just can't see where else it can go without looking a bit tacky, unless they kill the kid or get rid of him somehow which would just be terrible beyond contemplation.

I think a reboot and some time to let it all sink in is the only way for it to go myself. It worked in spades for Batman Begins.

[jim]

God no, I dont want to see yet another superhero origin movie.

[Kiyosuki]

God no, I dont want to see yet another superhero origin movie.

But at the same time where else can it go from here with his kid present?

[Jolly Bengali]

But how the fuck do you handle the kid, that's the thing. They have to make sure this doesn't become the lamest of all things - the super-powered kid (or even worse, if they made him a teenager.) Pop + son team-up would be horrible, yet the kid's also clearly exhibiting the powers. Lois Lane is also romantically out of the picture. A lot of your basic formula is fucked with here, and though it would be fascinating, it would be moving into territory far afield from the comics and what people are expecting out of a Superman movie

[Kiyosuki]

But how the fuck do you handle the kid, that's the thing. They have to make sure this doesn't become the lamest of all things - the super-powered kid (or even worse, if they made him a teenager.) Pop + son team-up would be horrible, yet the kid's also clearly exhibiting the powers. Lois Lane is also romantically out of the picture. A lot of your basic formula is fucked with here, and though it would be fascinating, it would be moving into territory far afield from the comics and what people are expecting out of a Superman movie

Yes exactly. For all intents and purposes, this particular Superman story is pretty much over...going any further with it would really, really be pushing it in terms of aesthetics.

[Jimmy]

But at the same time where else can it go from here with his kid present?

Not everything has to have a sequel. Of course this probably will.

[jim]

But at the same time where else can it go from here with his kid present?
I cant really comment because I havnt seen it yet, but theres so many possibilities for a Superman movie. Im sure the kid wouldnt have to be a big part of the story. I mean do you want to see the origin of Superman yet again? And go through all the recasting etc for a new movie?

Personally I wont be happy until I see a movie adaptation of the Death Of Superman and Reign Of The Supermen comic series. They were awesome. It could be a two parter, with the first movie being about Superman's battle with Doomsday and his death. It could finish with the four Supermen emerging. The second part would follow the four Supermen and finish with the return of the real Superman and his defeat of the cyborg Superman and the Eradicator. How much would big screen versions of Doomsday and the cyborg rock?

[Moose of Doom!]

Good movie.

I feel they already went in the right direction with the kid by making him act like a regular 4 year old and not the precocious "wise beyond their years" type of kid you always get in movies.

Plus
Lois is still living with Cyclops.

[Drew]

It would be hard for them to do a (good) sequel with the way things are set up. One word : prequel.

[Jolly Bengali]

They've already been made.

[Kiyosuki]

Not everything has to have a sequel. Of course this probably will.

Thats what I said before, I wish this would just be ended here because its a perfect way to end it. But hey you know how its going to be inevitably. :-/

The thing is, is that the dynamic between Lois and Clark/Superman is one of the few essentials of the Superman story. Without that, its missing a big piece.

And just aesthetically, the way the film ended I thought brought such great closure to the ongoing film story. Its possible to continue it yeah, but it'd be really difficult. I guess it could almost seem like Lois' fiance was cool enough to just let go of Lois...thats one thing they left open. But still...Superman with a kid even out there in some way is just really weird feeling to me. :silly:

I really liked how they handled Lois' fiance though. They could of made him extremely unlikable but he was pretty noble...and not in an incredibly unrealistic way either.

[Drew]

I think they could of made her fiance' better by putting him in XMen for more than 10 minutes.

[Jolly Bengali]

Frankly, I'd prefer him being perfect in this movie to Brett Ratner trying to deal with the one crappy characterization from the first two films. I'd prefer briefly bad Cyclops to epicly bad Cyclops, and this is coming from someone who thinks a well-written Cyclops is the best character in the entire mutant family

[sweetmercifulcrap]

cyclops better than gambit? Come now.

[Kiyosuki]

It was just wrong to kill Cyclops in general. People may hate him, but he's an essential part of the X-Men's inner dynamic. Without him, a lot of the feel of X-Men goes with him.

But hey, what can you do with the actor not wanting to play the part too much and all? Something kind if interesting to point out is in the third film, you don't actually see him die for certain do you?

[Moose of Doom!]

Of course! It all makes perfect sense! Aside from seeing his skin bubble and disintegrate, his body gone but his glasses remaining, and his girlfriend freaking out whenever someone asks what happens to him, he's perfectly fine!

All kidding aside, X3 undid every dramatic shocking plot twist it had by its end EXCEPT that one.

But I digress.

Has anyone seen it in IMAX 3D yet? I was wondering if the opening credits were in 3D, because if there's one section of the movie begging for 3D, it's the part where planets and words fly at you very fast.

[conor.]

SPACEY MADE THIS MOVIE

he was an amazing lex luther, the rest of it was meh really, they tried to go for too much humor with the kid and stuff at time "your bald!" really got on my nerves. also the whole timeframe was fucked some people where driving 50's cars but yet they all had cell phones? im sure they did that on purpose, did i also hear them talkin about gothem city when they were talkin about places superman has saved people?

[sweetmercifulcrap]

Yeah, I caught that too.

[Jolly Bengali]

That was a nice touch, though. And I thought this movie was actually really strong in terms of its melding of modern-day technology (such as cell phones) with the traditional Metropolis - I thought it did so very well, and made Superman really feel integrated into a fascimile of the world we live in. Certainly not a weakness.

[Drew]

Agreed.

That 50's car refrence reminded me of somthing I hadn't realized. In the pilot of Smallville (and the first few episodes) there were a bunch of 50's style cars as well, even though it took place in our current time.

I am glad they didn't have him change outfits in a phone booth.

[derelictpi]

I saw it last night. It wasn't flawless, but I thought it was still amazing.

As far as a sequel, I have to imagine that all the people behind the movie had that in mind and would not have put anything into this one without knowing how to make a sequel from it. I can see at least one story arc from the comics being able to play out, even with the plot twists from this one.

[Kiyosuki]

Of course! It all makes perfect sense! Aside from seeing his skin bubble and disintegrate, his body gone but his glasses remaining, and his girlfriend freaking out whenever someone asks what happens to him, he's perfectly fine!

All kidding aside, X3 undid every dramatic shocking plot twist it had by its end EXCEPT that one.

But I digress.

Has anyone seen it in IMAX 3D yet? I was wondering if the opening credits were in 3D, because if there's one section of the movie begging for 3D, it's the part where planets and words fly at you very fast.

Yeah but you don't actually see it finally happen, not even in her flash back...just the beggining. You know thats already a 5 mile wide plot hole in the comic book world. :silly:

[sikkbones]

After watching the Superman & Superman II on HBO On Demand this weekend, I went and saw Superman Returns since it's been implied that Bryan Singer's newest film takes place after the events of Superman II. I think this was a huge mistake, instead of reviving the franchise by restarting Superman, like Warners did with Batman Begins, they want to continue from two outdated and subpar films? If Superman Returns is really a continuation from the first two films it really doesn't act like it. The film doesn't feel like a sequel to either one of the previous movies, it feels like it wanted to restart the Superman franchise while paying homage to the old films. Here are my problems with Superman Returns-

Lex Luthor isn't a very viable Villian in the previous films, instead of being portrayed as a Evil Business man jealous of Superman he is a criminal shacking up with old ladies for money? Bryan Singer failed in nailing the characterazation of Lex. Lex's plan seems like a rehasing of the plot from Superman I, very uncreative and unimpressive.

In the first two films Lois Lane & Clark Kent spend time together as friends but in Superman Returns the two act like complete strangers I know the guy has been gone for 5 years and returns the same day as Superman, without any questions from the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist as to where her missing friend has been. But you'd think that if one of your co-workers & friend is missing for 5 years you'd be curious to where he is.

In the original movies it takes Kal-El 3 years to arrive on Earth from a exploding Krypton. But it takes him 5 years to fly to the remains of Krypton to look for what? The film never goes into where Superman has been for 5 years?

In Superman II after Superman fixes the White House he tells the President that he'll never let him down again. So leaving Earth for 5 years isn't letting the planet down? First he neglects the planet to become human so he can bang Lois Lane(who isn't that hot anyways unless she is played by Erica Durance) and now he leaves again for 5 years for reasons other than scientist have found the remains of Krypton. Superman doesn't seem to smart to me, in these films. Why would he fly out to the remains of a dead planet?

I really did want to like Superman Returns but there were just so many things that don't lineup or make sense in the movie. Instead of having this movie connected to the previous films it should have started fresh liek Batman Begins. The old Superman films are entertaining but are too corny and cheesy to make a sequel to some 20 plus years later. So Lois doesn't even know how she got pregnant?? If Superman took away her memory with a kiss at the end of Superman II how does she know she even slept with Superman? Having Superman Returns be a sequel to the previous films poses more questions than anything else and complicates things.



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its the damn kid, why the heck did they give superman a son? of all the problems with the movie the more I think about it this is the one that bugs me most.

the way I see it they have 3 choices

1) make the sequel about the kid or starring him (villians kidnapping him and what not)
-this i dont want its dumb, I dont want to see superman to watch him trying and save the kid

2) ignore the kid completely and make a regular superman movie
-this they just wont do, but right now is the best option ignore the kid and make a real superman sequel

3) dont ignore the kid but have him as a subplot
-also as bad because then we either get lois being a lying slut and letting some man continue to think that the kid is his when its not, or superman being damn near a rapist for sleeping with lois then taking her memories (but then how soon did she get with richard for her not to know its not his!)

and we get superman breaking up a family, why did they have this kid? there are no logical and good plots you can make of this that are true to the characters

they should just start fresh and ditch the kid...

[StrideR]

Lex Luthor isn't a very viable Villian in the previous films, instead of being portrayed as a Evil Business man jealous of Superman he is a criminal shacking up with old ladies for money? Bryan Singer failed in nailing the characterazation of Lex. Lex's plan seems like a rehasing of the plot from Superman I, very uncreative and unimpressive.
Well, deciding what's impressive or creative is not my specific talent, but I was impressed, though slightly appalled, by Luthor's plots to profit off the misery of others. In this movie, as well as the first, Luthor points out the lasting value of land and why it's the perfect commodity.I also thought it was particularly creative of him in this movie to give the continent the properties of Kryptonite.


In the first two films Lois Lane & Clark Kent spend time together as friends but in Superman Returns the two act like complete strangers I know the guy has been gone for 5 years and returns the same day as Superman, without any questions from the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist as to where her missing friend has been. But you'd think that if one of your co-workers & friend is missing for 5 years you'd be curious to where he is.

It's implied that while Superman left the planet without giving full disclosure, Clark Kent gave notice to his employers and probably made up some excuse for leaving Metropolis.


In the original movies it takes Kal-El 3 years to arrive on Earth from a exploding Krypton. But it takes him 5 years to fly to the remains of Krypton to look for what? The film never goes into where Superman has been for 5 years?

I'm guessing the fact that he travelled to Krypton and back might account for the extra time. I'm no rocket scientist, but it's a guess.


In Superman II after Superman fixes the White House he tells the President that he'll never let him down again. So leaving Earth for 5 years isn't letting the planet down? First he neglects the planet to become human so he can bang Lois Lane(who isn't that hot anyways unless she is played by Erica Durance) and now he leaves again for 5 years for reasons other than scientist have found the remains of Krypton. Superman doesn't seem to smart to me, in these films. Why would he fly out to the remains of a dead planet?

First of all, he made the promise to the president at the end of Superman II, after learning his lesson from becoming human, so you shouldn't even bring up any plot points from that movie. Also, his promise was to never fail to rescue Earth, and he delivers on it (at great cost to his health). The issue at hand in this movie is his decision to abandon those close to him and the consequences of that decision.

As for why he left, Kal-El never saw Krypton explode and probably assumed there was nothing left. Being informed that the remains had been found gave him hope that someone else might have survived.

I really did want to like Superman Returns but there were just so many things that don't lineup or make sense in the movie. Instead of having this movie connected to the previous films it should have started fresh liek Batman Begins. The old Superman films are entertaining but are too blah blah shit blah blah

Apparently, you still haven't learned how to use spoiler tags.

Superman Returns is, as stated before in this thread, the closing chapter to the arc from Superman and Superman II. It has also been stated, and agreed upon, that it would be near impossible to have a sequel that furthers this particular Superman story. In addition...
The kid is going to grow up to have his father's powers. However, for now, his secret is safe (well, Luthor knows) and he'll be raised by a man who believes himself to be his dad. Also, Lois knew she had a relationship with Superman... it was only the knowledge of his dual identity that Superman caused her to forget.

[Jolly Bengali]

I still think there are viable sequel possibilities, the only crucial aspect is to have the kid show about the same level of power control/consciousness as he does in this movie. The filmmakers obviously had to have some sort of answer to WB as to what exactly they were setting up for, in order to justify the huge budget they received.

And sikkbones, your take on the film just seems to be very, very narrow. The first two films, which I can't sit through watching, were incredibly good for their time, and a modern update/homage to them is not a bad idea; the themes still work, it's just hurt by the cheesiness of the very dated effects, which a huge budget sort of takes care of. Your gripes in terms of continuity seem to be a stretch, also, and it's really not a valid reason to not like a film due to your anger at what it means for a sequel that hasn't even been announced.

As for the extra 2 years, maybe he was just scouring every last inch of Krypton; or given stellar drift, it went 2 additional light-years further away from Earth in that time, or somesuch.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

by the way: lois lane is a slut.

in order for richard to seriously think that is his son, they must have had sex shortly after superman and lois had fucked. since it is clear that it is superman's son, she moved on from him within a matter of weeks, or even less, from superman's disappearance before sleeping with someone else. so much for the whole "i moved on" speech, and feeling sorry for lois for losing her love interest.

[Drew]

I guess Richard's a rebound player.

Lois Lane(who isn't that hot anyways unless she is played by Erica Durance)
Kate Bosworth was definetly hot in Superman Returns, but looks like ass as a blonde. Erica Durance has to many wrinkles on her face considereing she isn't old yet.

[Wonderboy]

I saw the movie back to back with Pirates last Friday and forgot to post my comments. The more I think about the movie, the more I like it. I can definatly understand some of the complaints people had with the film, but even with that in consideration I think it really was handled well. The whole kid thing has me a bit worried with the sequals, but it could go either way depending on how they handle it. I liked the character of Richard, and the fact that he was basically a human Superman. Also, the opening scene with Lex was just dead on with the character, funny and evil.

One odd thing jumped out though when Louis was talking to Richard about her relationship with Superman, at one point she bent over and I saw that Kate Bosworth had absolutely no ass...at all.

[Cogito, Ergo Sum]

The special effects were stunning, especially the airplane scenes. And I pray that there won't be a sequel. The only part that actually lets the gate open for another one is the fact that Lex is still alive and free.

[sikkbones]

by the way: lois lane is a slut.

in order for richard to seriously think that is his son, they must have had sex shortly after superman and lois had fucked. since it is clear that it is superman's son, she moved on from him within a matter of weeks, or even less, from superman's disappearance before sleeping with someone else. so much for the whole "i moved on" speech, and feeling sorry for lois for losing her love interest.
agreed... but it's possible that little supey jr. was around before richard even got involved with lois...

[Cogito, Ergo Sum]

I highly doubt it. He acts like it's his son... not his adopted son.

[StrideR]

As for the extra 2 years, maybe he was just scouring every last inch of Krypton; or given stellar drift, it went 2 additional light-years further away from Earth in that time, or somesuch.
Actually, if anything, he shaved off half a year of his journey since he went to krypton and back.

[boogie down mikel]

Honestly, I really didn't like the movie.

I thought the acting was good enough Spacey was great and I thought Routhe did an admirable job as Boy blue. but this story just had a lot of holes in it, most of which had already been mentioned. also the whole lois/clark/superman love triangle which is the very foundation of the superman story is completely written off, the thing with the kid does not look promising for any future movies

as much as i hate to say it, a rehash probably would have been a better idea than a continuation of supes II

also cyclops looked more heroic in this movie than in all 3 xmen movies...i mean saving superman, what the fuck is that?

[Gibbles]

A review I wrote for the hell of it because I was bored:

After years of Burton, Peters, and other legal mumble jumble, we have a new superman movie.

The effects were good.
The acting was good.
The Sets and costumes were good.
The script...sucked.

I've been looking forward to this movie for a long time now. Having seen the original Chris Reeves superman movie, watched the animated cartoon, and followed Smallville as well as various comic adventures I was eagerly awaiting a kick ass action movie, with thought provoking dialogue, and an overall decent story. Well in the end it only got 1 out of 3.

A quick run down of the movie.

Superman comes back after being away for 6 odd years. He crashes in Smallville next to his old barn where his parents made him sleep because they wouldn’t let him in the house. We briefly meet his elderly mother who has such a short appearance her character won’t mean anything to you unless you've seen any other superman sources.

We get a quick recap of Clark as a kid, discovering his powers... Then Superman returns to Metropolis (AKA New York), we see his life as Clark for a bit, he meets up with some old friends, all the time not saying very much and being the strong silent type.

Lex appears and does some stuff

Superman saves Lois from plain blowing up / crashing thing. Lois meets up with Clark and is utterly stupid because she fails to not see that Clark and Superman have returned at the same time.

Lex does more stuff with pointless close ups of the guy from Van wilder (this happens a lot for some reason)

Superman goes on some random saving people montage

Lex does more stuff

Clark meets up with Cyclops and Lois’s kid... There is a love story type thing between superman and Lois that goes no where.

...eventually the characters think to go see what Lex is up to even though there has been no interest in him before now.

Lex gets a hold of Lois and her annoying little kid

Superman saves them but gets attacked by Lex who sums up his motivation in one sentence.

Superman saves the day, movie drags on for about 10 or so minutes more.

...oh and the kid is Superman’s kid and has powers sort of...even though nothing is really made of this making it all pretty pointless. Or a big twist depending on your view point.

After all the years you'd think they could have come up with a good story with strong well involved characters with decent dialogue. The film relies too much on the old movies to really stand on its own, and those movies were cheesy in the first place.

There were good things about this movie; Kevin Spacey did a good Lex, Brandon Routh played a good Superman despite having so little dialogue, Kate Bosworth…well she was ok. James Marsden had a pretty big role which explains why his appearance was so short in Xmen. Considering he had more of a character then the lead he played it very well, shame he couldn’t play up his hero role more with Cyclops, but alas wasn’t meant to be.

The rest of the cast popped in and out of the movie, making no real impact, and are not interesting characters unless you have seen the old movies.

As a sequel to the old films its ok, the script is lacklustre, sort of like the old ones, but the special effects and settings are stunning. The character of Lex Lutor is entertaining to watch and is a more accurate portrayal from the comics then the previous movies, and what you see of Superman is great…so great you wish he got way more screen time.

The biggest problem is Superman himself; he has no real burdens, no flaws, and no problems. Sure his Love has moved on, his arch nemesis is on the loose, BUT THAT’S IT. Superman/Clark spends most of the movie as a 2D card board cut-out with nothing to help you understand the character. When there is a problem he shows up and silently saves the day and buggers off again, with the dam theme music playing every bloody moment.

Man: I say I can’t open this can of tuna

Woman: have you tried using a can opener

(Superman flies in with the theme playing; he picks up the can opens it and hands it back to the Man)

Man: thanks Superman

Superman: all in a days work!

(He flies of with the theme playing even louder)

Even some dialogue between him a Lex would have been nice. Ok so we’re supposed to no what he is thinking from that look on his face. I wish there was a scene where it showed superman coping with is problems. He instead kind of shrugs it off. So he learns he is not a human being and should just run around looking after us. Hell he doesn’t even find a place to live in the whole freaking movie. Maybe I mist something important and need to re watch the film.

Superman and Lex seem to take back stage to Lois and her dreary life. This is more like “The Adventures of Lois, Superkid and Cyclopes” featuring Superman and Lex Luthor.

If you have never seen the original superman movies you’d be best seeing them first as you are going to be lost through the whole movie. It doesn’t matter if you have seen other superman cannons; you have to see the old movies. I tried watching this as a stand alone film and it doesn’t work. This is mainly because all the character motivation is in those films and you are supposed to remember it.

Superman Returns had its good points, but at the end of the day the story is the most important thing, and it lacked important elements to make you care about what is going on and what is happening to the characters.

6/10

[StrideR]

Hey, way to fucking downplay all the good points of the movie while emphasizing and exaggerating its flaws. If anything, a lot of the perceived plot holes are seen as such because Singer and the writers decided to play it very subtle in the explanation department.


Superman comes back after being away for 6 odd years. He crashes in Smallville next to his old barn where his parents made him sleep because they wouldn’t let him in the house. We briefly meet his elderly mother who has such a short appearance her character won’t mean anything to you unless you've seen any other superman sources.


She's the only other character, aside from the dog, that we see in the scenes in Smallville. And it makes sense that you don't see much of her after that, since Clark goes back to Metropolis shortly after.


Superman saves Lois from plain blowing up / crashing thing. Lois meets up with Clark and is utterly stupid because she fails to not see that Clark and Superman have returned at the same time.


Actually, it would seem more suspicious if Clark had arrived after Superman. Also, Clark Kent is not as significant a part of Lois' world as you might think.


The rest of the cast popped in and out of the movie, making no real impact, and are not interesting characters unless you have seen the old movies.


Remember that movie, King Kong, where there were no minor characters? Yeah, didn't do us any favors.
Of course they're going to pop in and pop out. They have their respective roles to play and even when they're off-screen, you get that they're doing something. Perry White, Richard White, Lex's henchmen, Kitty and Jimmy are the only important secondary characters in Metropolis and they do what secondary characters do: Pop in, pop out, but at the same time, they are instrumental to the development of the story.

The biggest problem is Superman himself; he has no real burdens, no flaws, and no problems. Sure his Love has moved on, his arch nemesis is on the loose, BUT THAT’S IT. Superman/Clark spends most of the movie as a 2D card board cut-out with nothing to help you understand the character. When there is a problem he shows up and silently saves the day and buggers off again, with the dam theme music playing every bloody moment

...
Even some dialogue between him a Lex would have been nice. Ok so we’re supposed to no what he is thinking from that look on his face. I wish there was a scene where it showed superman coping with is problems. He instead kind of shrugs it off. So he learns he is not a human being and should just run around looking after us. Hell he doesn’t even find a place to live in the whole freaking movie. Maybe I mist something important and need to re watch the film.

What the hell are you talking about? Did you expect him to pace back and forth in his fortress of solitude, bemoaning his situation? When he's not saving the day, he's Clark Kent. You see him dealing with his problems as Clark Kent. You see his sadness when he tells his mother he didn't find anything alive within what was left of Krypton. You see a sliver of anger when he cracks the picture on Lois' desk. You see the tears in his eyes (as Superman) when he leaves Lois on the roof of the Daily Planet. You see his helplessness when Lex works him over. And finally you see a bit of happiness when he realizes he's no longer the Last son of Krypton.

Superman and Lex seem to take back stage to Lois and her dreary life. This is more like “The Adventures of Lois, Superkid and Cyclopes” featuring Superman and Lex Luthor.

That is just bullshit, and you know it.

I agree that the movie depends a little too much on Superman I and II (and thankfully not III and IV), but Singer made the smart choice of taking Superman back to its cinematic roots, making it a stark contrast to Smallville (the show). It's a great comeback/reboot and it makes for a great launching pad for future installments.

[Magnum]

Man: I say I can’t open this can of tuna

Woman: have you tried using a can opener

(Superman flies in with the theme playing; he picks up the can opens it and hands it back to the Man)

Man: thanks Superman

Superman: all in a days work!

(He flies of with the theme playing even louder)

I don't know about anyone else but that still sounds as awesome as anything.

[Jolly Bengali]

Honestly, I really didn't like the movie.

I thought the acting was good enough Spacey was great and I thought Routhe did an admirable job as Boy blue. but this story just had a lot of holes in it, most of which had already been mentioned. also the whole lois/clark/superman love triangle which is the very foundation of the superman story is completely written off, the thing with the kid does not look promising for any future movies

as much as i hate to say it, a rehash probably would have been a better idea than a continuation of supes II

also cyclops looked more heroic in this movie than in all 3 xmen movies...i mean saving superman, what the fuck is that?

Could it be because it's... shit, trying something new? Since when is moving beyond a plot dynamic a problem in a series? And, again, people need to stop criticizing this movie because of damage it does to a hypothetical plot for a sequel that hasn't been announced. It's a concern, but it doesn't take away from the film in the slightest.

No, it wouldn't, because every Superman property in existence has done the Superman origin story 35 times, and it's officially played-out. Beyond played out. I can't imagine even the diehard fans wanting to see that again.

And that last part is something I keep hearing - X3 and James Marsden's role as Cyclops have absolutely nothing to do with this movie. Grow up. Richard is well-written and well-acted, and a human being saving Superman has been done before, this isn't fucking with convention of the genre or something.


This thread is actually making me angrier than anything I can remember since I started coming to this board. I keep hearing the absolute worst fucking criticisms of the film. At least StrideR took over gibbles duty or I might have had an aneurysm.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

wow...something pissed someone off more than anyone at the boards, and it wasn't MY fault.

JB, just so you know, my one criticism (about superman's son, and lois being a slut) was more of a joking observation than a criticism.

[boogie down mikel]

Could it be because it's... shit, trying something new? Since when is moving beyond a plot dynamic a problem in a series? And, again, people need to stop criticizing this movie because of damage it does to a hypothetical plot for a sequel that hasn't been announced. It's a concern, but it doesn't take away from the film in the slightest.

No, it wouldn't, because every Superman property in existence has done the Superman origin story 35 times, and it's officially played-out. Beyond played out. I can't imagine even the diehard fans wanting to see that again.

And that last part is something I keep hearing - X3 and James Marsden's role as Cyclops have absolutely nothing to do with this movie. Grow up. Richard is well-written and well-acted, and a human being saving Superman has been done before, this isn't fucking with convention of the genre or something.


This thread is actually making me angrier than anything I can remember since I started coming to this board. I keep hearing the absolute worst fucking criticisms of the film. At least StrideR took over gibbles duty or I might have had an aneurysm.

i never said the movie wasn't well done, the acting was good and james marsden did a good job with his part it just didn't appeal to me, my suggestions are merely based on my own opinion of the movie

the fact that superman looked like a pussy for most of the movie, kinda ruins it for me

[Jolly Bengali]

DNS, stab Mikel in his jaw and all is forgiven ;)

[Dead Nigga Storage]

before i stab him, i'd like to know when the hell he looked like a pussy other than the time when he had been weakened and luthor was kicking him around.

[boogie down mikel]

in my opinion the only time he really just looked like a bad ass was walking right up to the gatling gun and lifting the kyrptonite land mass...but other than that u have him getting shot down by lois lane for someone other than possibly clark kent, he's lying in a hospital bed, being saved with a helicopter and his kid outstages him when lois is in trouble

p.s. it also looks like thye may not make a sequel if supes doesn't draw 200 mil, and even if it does theyre going to cut the budget severly

[Wonderboy]

I too have heard that they won't make a sequal unless it makes $200 million in the U.S., but that dosn't concern me, the movie is around $140 million now, and in the unlikely event that it dosn't make the rest in the theater, the DVD/rental money will easily over pass $200 million.

[StrideR]

in my opinion the only time he really just looked like a bad ass was walking right up to the gatling gun and lifting the kyrptonite land mass...but other than that u have him getting shot down by lois lane for someone other than possibly clark kent, he's lying in a hospital bed, being saved with a helicopter and his kid outstages him when lois is in trouble

Really? These are the points that support your opinion that Supes looked like a pussy? First, 2 of those situations had to do with Kryptonite, and the last one was unavoidable because (a)he had no idea where Lois was, and (b)he was busy saving Metropolis.

Oh, and please let's not forget him saving the plane in the beginning.

[Stewie Griffin]

The movie was alright but to me it was to long, most of the action did not happen untill the last 30minutes of the movie, and to much drama.

[Drew]

Yeah, I hate when they try to add stories into movies as well.

[Red Right]

Hahaha, that's actually what I loved about this film. I never really liked Peter Jackson's King Kong because it was filmed with far too many action scenes, and not enough story. So much so, that I felt nothing when Kong finally died. However, in Superman Returns, I felt there was a wonderful mix of story and action.

[Lounge Fly]

I have 2 things to add:

1. Christopher Reeve will always be Superman.

2. You know your getting old when the new guy playing Superman is younger than you.

[sikkbones]

I have 2 things to add:

1. Christopher Reeve will always be Superman.

2. You know your getting old when the new guy playing Superman is younger than you.
you forgot #3. You know your getting old when the new guy playing Superman is more Emo than you.

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

Imax 3D yesterday. I went out of my way to not watch trailers for it or read about it, so I really had no idea what to expect. I didn't even know the Imax was in 3D until I got there, so that was cool.
About the 3D - it's (not bothering with spoiler) not the entire movie. It's four scenes, only two of them really worthy of it. But those two came through quite well, I thought.
As for the rest of it, I liked it much more than X3. I just took it as a summer popcorn movie that was at least mostly true to the ones I saw when I was a kid. The action scenes were fun, the acting was reasonable, and the story was silly but not in an annoying way. Sure it had some dumb moments and plot holes, but not enough to become a problem for me. I'd see it again.

[Cocoa Beanie]

I really liked this movie and am looking forward to the next one in 2009. Long wait though...

[moonwalker69]

Not bad a bad movie, actually - better than most other over-hyped Hollywood blockbusters. Having never seen any Superman movies...I didn't know what to expect.

I saw this movie a while ago and I was really let-down even though it was quite good. I had no problems with the prouction etc, just the story.

-The movie was impressive to start with, with the opening shots being really good and the whole back on Krypton thing was nice. But you think it's gonna get better and some action is going to happen soon, but the story starts to drag on making the story suffer more as well as the impact of first action sequence.

-The whole Clark/Lois love thing wasn't too bad, but the triangle makes it less appealling. I'm a true romantic, and I started to feel some chemistry but the love suffers too much with everything else that is going on. The love should've played a more pivotal role - it was subtle yet didn't develop.

-Lex Luthor seemed less demeaning and his purpose seemed really bland. There wasn't really any reasoning behind it except that Superman is back and I want him dead. The acting was good on Spacey's behalf but I didn't really feel any nasty vibes - which is a result of the story.

-The story arch wasn't too bad, but was really predictable, except near the end. I didn't feel like I'd been on a journey with Superman but just watched him do some stuff. This may come as a result of Superman not showing enough human emotion which is flaw in his character. What annoyed me the most was that there were so many unnecessary scenes and there wasn't enough drive in the story - which is because the movie is 150 minutes long.

It annoyed me because I'd feel something strong for the character or get involved in the story and either the tension was broken or the scene had gone on too long leaving me feel tired by the start of the next scene. This stop start feeling of boredom and action didn't make me wanna pay as much interest by the finish. Also you had a climax, then it went on for another 25 minutes! By the finish I felt worn out, but still satisfied on a whole...

Overall I enjoyed the film but the holes in the script really didn't help. The jokes we're good, it was nice to see a bit of humour. The scene at the top of the building in the night sky was definitely a highlight for me! Top stuff.

Good movie, but I'm going to give it a 6.5/10 at the most.

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm still not sure about this movie. It's not anywhere near as good as the old ones, that's for sure.

[Drew]

Have you seen the previous movies or do you just like saying outragious things?

I watched the original Superman movies about a month before "Returns" came out just so I could have somthing to compare it to. While the effects were pretty good considering the time , they weren't that great. First two were entertaining, but the last two were complete crap. There's a reason Bryan Singer (who is a huge superman fan) decided to pretend that 3 & 4 didn't exist.

[Adamm R)))]

I saw it a week or two ago. Quite entertaining, CGI was particularly stunning.

[Cerpin Taxt]

Have you seen the previous movies or do you just like saying outragious things?

I watched the original Superman movies about a month before "Returns" came out just so I could have somthing to compare it to. While the effects were pretty good considering the time , they weren't that great. First two were entertaining, but the last two were complete crap. There's a reason Bryan Singer (who is a huge superman fan) decided to pretend that 3 & 4 didn't exist.

Actually I have seen the first two upon which this new one is based. Frankly I found that Brandon Routh and Superman in general didn't have enough lines, not enough time was devoted to Luther in general, and the entire film was anchored upon his relationship with Lois. And by the way, Kate Bosworth is a shitty Lois.

Any more things to say or do you just like sounding like a smartass?

[StrideR]

Define "shitty".

Also, the movie focuses on the reaction of people close to Superman (yes, even Lex), to his return. Of all of those, the most important is Lois.

Not enough time devoted to Luthor? How?

[billi vanilli]

i'd like to see them pit superman against a different supervillain if they made a sequel. braniac would be cool.

[Cerpin Taxt]

Shitty as in not living up to Margot Kidder or the persona identified with in the George Reeves series, the animated shorts, or the early comics. She's too mild-mannered overall I think.

And while I don't hate the film as much as I thought I did, I do think Lex was kind of just "there" again. Yeah, he had a reaction to Superman's return, but I didn't think we saw any new ground for him, and when he's the villain for the third time straight I think he should get something new.

[sikkbones]

What the hell are you talking about? Did you expect him to pace back and forth in his fortress of solitude, bemoaning his situation? When he's not saving the day, he's Clark Kent. You see him dealing with his problems as Clark Kent. You see his sadness when he tells his mother he didn't find anything alive within what was left of Krypton. You see a sliver of anger when he cracks the picture on Lois' desk. You see the tears in his eyes (as Superman) when he leaves Lois on the roof of the Daily Planet. You see his helplessness when Lex works him over. And finally you see a bit of happiness when he realizes he's no longer the Last son of Krypton.




you're right... he's no longer the Last son of Krypton he's just another deadbeat dad with a half kryptonian Bastard.

[Red Right]

From DVD Active (http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/superman-returns.html):
Warner Home Video has officially announced Superman Returns which stars Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth, and Kevin Spacey. The film will be available to own in single ($28.98) and double-disc ($34.99). The release date has yet to be confirmed I'm afraid, but we'll bring you that shortly. What we are able to confirm is that each disc will carry a 2.40:1 anamorphic widescreen transfer, along with an English Dolby Digital 5.1 tracks. As far as we know, the single-disc will be featureless, whereas the two-disc edition will include deleted scenes, along with Requiem for Krypton: Making Superman Returns - a comprehensive 3-hour documentary that takes you behind the scenes onto the set of Superman Returns.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/739/supermanreturnsr1art1rp5.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9149/supermanreturnsr1art2de0.jpg

[Kamerica]

35 bucks? yeesh.

[Red Right]

That's just the SRP. It probably won't be that expensive when it first comes out.

[grissom]

Cover art for the one disc is better than the two disc.

[jim]

Looks good :) Looking forward to it a lot, didnt get the chance to catch it in the cinema.

This is what im really looking forward to though:
The 13 Disc Superman Collection:
http://www.ezydvd.com.au/g/i/p/supermancollect.jpg

Which includes:
Superman Returns - 2 disc
Superman: The Move - 4 disc
Superman II - 3 disk, inc the never before seen complete Richard Donner Cut
Superman III - 1 disc
Superman IV - 1 disc
Look, Up In The Sky!: The Amazing Story of Superman - 1 disc
You Will Believe: The Making of a Saga - 1 disc

Extras:


Collectible Tin Set with bellyband
Transparent plastic O-Ring packaging with lenticular tips
Foil-enhanced box
Chapter Booklet
DC Comics Booklet
One-Sheet Mail-In Coupon
Bonus New Documentaries (The Mythology of Superman, The Science of Superman, Remembering Christopher Reeve)Superman - The Movie:

Original 1978 theatrical version with soundtrack in Dolby Digital 5.1
Commentary by producer Pierre Spengler and executive producer Ilya Salkind
Music-only audio track
2000 expande