Is American Dad the next Futurama? [Archive]

homer5000

05-07-2006, 10:10 PM

Think about it...

It's from the same creator as Family Guy and when it was premiered it was disliked, but after a while, many started to admit that it was becoming better than FG's current season.

People have said that it's more well-written and better paced than the other, declining show.

The only thing that doesn't match up is the fact that FOX likes American Dad, or at least seems to. (they liked Futurama in their second season, who knows?)

If FOX all of the sudden thinks AD is trash, and tries to kill it by airing it at 7:30, will we all cry out bloody murder?

And is AD truly better than FG, as Futurama was better than Simpsons when it was on (during the infamous Scully era)...discuss...

Jamie

05-08-2006, 12:35 AM

Willmak5389

05-08-2006, 04:17 AM

American Dad will never live up to the greatness of Futurama!!!!

:-@

DotheBartman

05-08-2006, 04:41 AM

Imperciph

05-08-2006, 06:45 AM

If anything, American Dad is becoming quite similar in style with early South Park with their more surreal plots.

Binky

05-08-2006, 12:08 PM

I don't understand how anybody can even remotely compare this show to Futurama and South Park...

American Dad is one of the worst shows to ever hit the Fox Sunday night lineup.

Super_Cool

05-08-2006, 01:16 PM

I don't understand how anybody can even remotely compare this show to Futurama and South Park...

American Dad is one of the worst shows to ever hit the Fox Sunday night lineup.

You obviously never saw the newer episodes of American Dad. It is quite good now. Better than Family Guy.

TriforceBun

05-08-2006, 01:29 PM

Jesus christ I hope it isn't...

But no, if nothing else the Fox support is far more significant (in season two Fox was already starting to bail on Futurama. It was doing well despite their own actions). And then there's the fact that one is an excellent show created by the creator of the best tv show of all time, while the other is a humongous bowl of elephant piss.

Haha, well said, and I agree completely. Well...except I think more recent American Dad episodes are more tolerable than the first few. Though in this case, "more tolerable" is still a far cry from "good."

I will say the average episode of current American Dad is better than the average episode of current Family Guy. But it will NEVER be a hair of a fraction as good as Futurama.

Willmak5389

05-08-2006, 02:27 PM

Actually, I hope AD is like Futurama in one respect:

It gets cancelled

George

05-08-2006, 03:03 PM

If anything, American Dad is becoming quite similar in style with early South Park with their more surreal plots.
crippled mafia? what the fuck?! steve growing boobs?!! what the motherfuck!?!
seriously, episodes 1-12, rocked my world. finances with wolves was enjoyable. these latest ones - Helping Hands and Roger 'n Me, trash. Am I right folks?
(Gets pelted with Tom Clancy books)

Haha, well said, and I agree completely. Well...except I think more recent American Dad episodes are more tolerable than the first few. Though in this case, "more tolerable" is still a far cry from "good."
screw you
sorry, but i disagree completely

Toli

05-08-2006, 03:07 PM

I will say this once and once only, no fucking way in hell.

grissom

05-08-2006, 03:09 PM

I like AD, but it's just nowhere near the greatness of Futurama.

homer5000

05-08-2006, 03:26 PM

DotheBartman

05-08-2006, 07:48 PM

Guys, I wasn't comparing AD with Futurama, I was comparing on the similar stance of Futurama and Simpsons, likewise with American Dad and Family Guy. Both are new shows coming in at a time when the same creator's other, more popular show is starting sink in quality...THAT is what I was talking about, of course Futurama is extremely better than AD...

In this case, I would have to admit I haven't watched a single episode of Family Guy since sometime before it's 2005 comeback. With that said, I sometimes look over the reviews and criticisms, and to be honest I rarely (if ever) see any criticisms that don't already apply to the original episodes. Maybe the awkward "extended conversations" that everyone's been griping about, but I can't think of anything else. It seems to me that it's basically the same show it always was, and, like myself a long time ago, people are just now getting sick of it. But that said, I'd have to actually watch it again to judge that for sure...which I won't.

And again, I think there's still a core difference in terms of the support AD is getting in comparison to Futurama. They really seem to be much more enthusiastic about McFarlane's work than they were about Futurama, and I get the impression that from the beginning they really didn't like Futurama at all and only commissioned it or kept it going because of the popularity of The Simpsons. In AD's case, they commissioned it even before new Family Guy episodes if I recall right, so they clearly liked McFarlane's style, even though it had failed them before (and honestly, they really did give Family Guy a lot of chances, the blunder of pitting the last season against "Friends" aside). If AD does eventually get cancelled, I think it will get canned on its own accord, not because of anything in particular that Fox does.

Semaj

05-08-2006, 08:22 PM

It's easy to assume that this Family Guy-American Dad relationship is similar to The Simpsons-Futurama relationship. But it's not exactly true.

The key differences are in the themes of the latter shows. People will still admire Futurama many years, perhaps decades, down the road. But American Dad is only relevant for today's environment. The show won't be as popular within the next decade.

Binky

05-08-2006, 08:49 PM

You obviously never saw the newer episodes of American Dad. It is quite good now. Better than Family Guy.
Uh, actually I was talking specifically about the newer episodes (the 05-06 season). I enjoyed the show a little when it first premiered just for its wackiness. But it got boring very fast, especially once they tried doing actual character development. The characters are horribly unoriginal (personality-wise, design-wise, voice-wise) and very one dimensional. When they started doing real character-driven plots and things involving emotion, they coudn't pull it off, because the characters were so poorly designed. The show feels just like any old cheesy sitcom now and I don't really feel any desire to watch it anymore (unlike Family Guy, which I still watch every single week to see how good or bad the episode will be - and it's usually the latter nowadays, but I still watch).

And there is no way American Dad is better than Family Guy, even with Family Guy's ever increasing lameness these days.

Drew

05-08-2006, 11:10 PM

Futurama>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>American Dad

and let's not abbreviate American Dad as AD. AD is another show miles above American Dad.

Tobes

05-09-2006, 01:05 AM

i agree that AD wont be funny in a few years but is fucking brilliant nonetheless

H Thompson

05-09-2006, 03:09 AM

I watched most of the first series American Dad in the U.K just because it was on and even in it's first 13 or whatever it improved but it still wasn't good. The first 2 were on par with the worst episodes of the scully era. but after that it generally seemed to get better averaging C range episodes and even producing one quite good episode, which was even more shocking because it was about masturbation.

Head Bee-Guy

05-10-2006, 02:52 PM

Several posts in this thread seem to miss the fact that the original topic wasn't "Is American Dad as good as/better than Futurama?", or even the standard "Would you like an excuse to slag off Family Guy?", but whether AD could end up being cancelled as the little brother of a longer-running ratings hit.

I hope it doesn't get cancelled, after the mostly poor 7 episode run at the start it suddenly got very good and is now better than average most weeks. After the Roger/Stan job swap episode referred back to the pilot a few months ago I looked back at that episode and I could hardly believe it was the same show, let alone its flagship episode. My friends started watching AD because of the Family Guy connection, like I did, and we've all agreed that several recent episodes have been better than the Family Guys on the same night.

It's hard to compare it with Futurama directly though, if AD had 72 episodes and then got cancelled I'd probably say it had a good run, shows don't have to have 200 episodes to be well-remembered.

DotheBartman

05-10-2006, 03:53 PM

Several posts in this thread seem to miss the fact that the original topic wasn't "Is American Dad as good as/better than Futurama?", or even the standard "Would you like an excuse to slag off Family Guy?", but whether AD could end up being cancelled as the little brother of a longer-running ratings hit.

Yeah, but part of the question was about whether we would have the same reaction to a cancellation as we did with Futurama, and about the percieved quality difference between newer Family Guy episodes and American Dad. So people responded honestly.

And I don't see AD going past, let's say...a fifth season. If nothing else, it'll seem really outdated (then again it already does...) by then. I don't see Family Guy lasting past that equivilant of time either, but more because it's a craze-of-the-moment and I can't see it sustaining popularity to that point.

TheFlandersMan

05-10-2006, 07:58 PM

Uh, actually I was talking specifically about the newer episodes (the 05-06 season). I enjoyed the show a little when it first premiered just for its wackiness. But it got boring very fast, especially once they tried doing actual character development. The characters are horribly unoriginal (personality-wise, design-wise, voice-wise) and very one dimensional. When they started doing real character-driven plots and things involving emotion, they coudn't pull it off, because the characters were so poorly designed. The show feels just like any old cheesy sitcom now and I don't really feel any desire to watch it anymore (unlike Family Guy, which I still watch every single week to see how good or bad the episode will be - and it's usually the latter nowadays, but I still watch).

And there is no way American Dad is better than Family Guy, even with Family Guy's ever increasing lameness these days.

Completely agree.

Gatorgod

05-10-2006, 08:12 PM

Wow! This opens my mind to all sorts of new things. Now I think of Animaniacs as the American Dad to Tiny Toons Family Guy... :tired:

Ryan

05-19-2006, 06:40 AM

The comparison of AD to Futurama had never crossed my mind, and i find it strange that it would cross anybody's mind.

When AD premiered i was unimpressed, really. I didnt think it was that great it all, but i heard it got better. So i stuck with it, and it has improved immensely from what it started as. I love the show, but Futurama and Family Guy are still miles ahead of it in my mind.

HellKat666

05-19-2006, 08:22 AM

While American Dad has improved from its awful pilot episode, it's still nowhere near where Futurama was at this point in its lifespan. The comparision never occurred to me, and it's still too early to tell if American Dad ever reaches the quality of Futurama. And quite frankly, with its show structure, that's not very likely.

StrideR

05-19-2006, 10:54 AM

The Family Guy/American Dad scenario is a lot like The Simpsons/Futurama in the sense that you have two shows with the same creator running at the same time. Core criticism of FG/AD aside, It is quite obvious that Family Guy has suffered in quality while American Dad has flourished since AD's inception. This is comparable to the irreversible brain drain The Simpsons experienced when Futurama debuted and as it matured humor-wise. I expect Family Guy to get cancelled before American Dad and I hope Seth has the smarts to end it before it gets to that point.

Stampie

05-20-2006, 11:33 PM

American Dad will never live up to the greatness of Futurama!!!!

:-@

I have to agree its alright but I don't think that american dad should even be compared to futurama. :-X :-/

Red Hot Homer Simpson

05-20-2006, 11:47 PM

Sorry To Break It To You Guys. Even after seeing every episode of American Dad That Went To Air. Family Guy is Still So Much Better. Though family guy is like the simpsons in a way.

Old Episodes: VERY Funny
new episodes: need a tune up

Isaac

05-30-2006, 01:56 PM

I still like Family Guy better, but American Dad! is good, too.

Rowdy

05-31-2006, 10:18 AM

What's sad is I can see the American Dad DVDs outselling the Futurama ones simply because of the Seth connection......oy!

Pedro Sanchez

06-02-2006, 03:19 PM

Fox just renewed American Dad untill May 08

http://www.tv.com/story/story.html?story_id=4787&tag=headlines;title;0

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-americandadrenewed,0,6981519.story?coll=zap-tv-headlines

Imperciph

06-03-2006, 01:25 AM

^ That just goes on to show that Fox is far more supporting to American Dad than it was ever to Futurama.

Mira

06-03-2006, 08:50 AM

American Dad probably doesn't cost 1.5 million dollars an episode.

TransponderHut

06-03-2006, 02:49 PM

It's just simple logic.
American Dad is a show that I like, so everyone else hates it.

rickey

06-03-2006, 04:34 PM

both shows suck.

Isaac

06-04-2006, 04:16 PM

both shows suck.

You suck.

TheFlandersMan

06-06-2006, 03:13 PM

True dat. :silly:

I did hear that Futurama was pretty expensive, also.

DotheBartman

06-06-2006, 04:14 PM

Actually though, don't quote me on this, but I've sometimes heard that there wasn't much difference, at least initially, in costs between Family Guy and Futurama, not because Futurama wasn't of better technical excellence, but because Family Guy ironically would have lots of errors and other things that needed to be fixed/changed and the retakes bumped the costs up. And I can believe it too, looking at those original Family Guy episodes, with the pixelatedish "slow down" moments in some episodes (where initially the speed of the movement wasn't right) and other such things. I don't know what the difference would be now, though, if there is one. Considering the merchandising the show is probably more economic to produce now just from that. And another potential difference now is that Family Guy has the potential to be cheaper, given the (pardon my editorializing) very cheap looking McFarlane animation. Perhaps the original studio was just bad.

Homer Jay

06-06-2006, 05:44 PM

I don't think FOX owned Futurama, while they do own Family Guy and American Dad, but I'm not sure about it. That might have played a role in favoring FG because Fox would make more money from the different avenues especially once the show reached syndication

DotheBartman

06-06-2006, 05:55 PM

No, Fox owns it all right. Adult Swim even bought the cable rights from them.

Nachonachoman

06-08-2006, 09:23 AM

I think you guys need to give American Dad a chance, you know there are OTHER animation programs that are funny besides the Simpsons. As much as I love the Simpsons and have done for the past 12 years of my life but lets face it I have never once nearly ""died"" from laughing as much as I have from watching Family Guy. Family Guy is one hell of a great show and just because it got brought back and not Futurama there is no need to completely strangle the life out of it. As far as I am concern Family Guy, American Dad, The Simpsons, Futurama and King of the Hill are fantastic shows... Sure the Simpsons isnt that funny at the moment, sure you might not like American Dad at first just give things a chance... There are people out there who obviously like American Dad so why dont you open your minds a little and give it a chance, please dont reply saying we've given it a season... Futurama was great I agree, in my opinion Futurama ties with American Dad. Just be glad we have freaking animation shows OTHER than the Simpsons...

Zoidbart

06-09-2006, 10:12 AM

American Dad will never live up to the greatness of Futurama!!!!

:-@

Yes I totally agree with this.

But, I will say, even though when I saw the name of this thread I knew my answer would be "no", but after thinking about it... in some ways, yes. It's the second, less popular TV show made by whoever made Family Guy. Simpsons : Futurama :: Family Guy : American Dad (sorry if I didn't write the analogy correct, it's been a while since I've worked with anologies...). But, in my opinion, it's a little bit different than that because I think Futurama is better than Simpsons, but I think Family Guy is better than American Dad. So I dunno, it depends how you look at it. In some ways, "no", and in other ways, "yes".

H Thompson

06-09-2006, 05:31 PM

I think you guys need to give American Dad a chance, you know there are OTHER animation programs that are funny besides the Simpsons. than the Simpsons...
No you see the reason people don't give AD a chance is because it's shit.
Futurama, King of the Hill and the first 3 seasons of Family Guy, are all quite well liked but AD isn't because it's shit, your not going to give a show chance if you find yourself cringing at every single joke in the show are you.
As it happens I watched most of the first series as it got a little better after the first 2 unbelivably bad episodes and would usually have a couple of good jokes in every episode and even produced 2 quite enjoyable episodes.
But it's still shit.

Ivan

06-09-2006, 05:40 PM

I used to like American Dad and Family Guy, but getting out my Futurama DVDs and watching an episode of that followed by and episode of Family Guy or American Dad, you can definitely tell Futurama is much better.

DotheBartman

06-09-2006, 08:50 PM

Just be glad we have freaking animation shows OTHER than the Simpsons...

The only reason to be glad that there are other animated shows is if the animated shows are good. And hey, some of them are. Futurama, South Park, and The Boondocks are among my favorite shows ever. But I don't care for Family Guy, and American Dad is absolute ass. I can be incredibly leniant with political humor, given that it's one of my obsessions, and American Dad is one of the worst attempts at it I have ever seen in my life. If you like it, that's cool, I don't mind people enjoying tv shows I don't like. But those of us who hate it actually hate it on it's own merits. It has nothing to do with The Simpsons. I guarantee you most, if you not all, of the same critics of American Dad here love animated shows other than The Simpsons. They just don't like American Dad, because it sucks.

Toli

06-09-2006, 09:01 PM

After evaluating all these animated shows I've changed my mind and decided this:
The Simpsons
Futurama
South Park
Family Guy
American Dad

I mean what really annoys me about am dad is some of their jokes are just cheap and sometimes they'll be really similiar to family guy.

Unfunny scrubs mock joke- Blind Ambition- Family Guy, Helpin Handis- American Dad
Chicken Fight/ Racoon runover- Blind Ambition - Family Guy, Francines Flashback- American Dad

Theres also a few which I can't think of now and american dad also tryed to make a joke about arrested development and failed miserably.

Paul

06-09-2006, 09:48 PM

Yes, I don't understand how horrible shows like Family Guy and American Dad have the nerve to insult what is clearly superior television. Thinking up some random reference to something and insulting it is not funny, as the scriptwriters need to learn.

Isaac

07-05-2006, 12:53 PM

Jakebert

07-09-2006, 06:40 PM

The comparing of AD to Futurama is an interesting idea, and I can see where it's coming from, but I just don't think it's the next Futurama.

Like people have already said, AD is getting a lot of publicity and help from FOX. Futurama really never got that, even in the beginning. I remember that the premiere was really well promoted, but after that there wasn't a whole lot of promotion for it, despite critics loving it to death.

AD, on the other hand, isn't really that well-liked by critics, especially for the first few episodes. But FOX still promoted it like crazy because of what happened with Family Guy. I don't see FOX moving AD around on the schedule either, because I think without Family Guy leading into it, there wouldn't be half as much interest.

Cerpin Taxt

07-09-2006, 09:36 PM

I totally agree.

Except I liked both Groening shows when they were on, but only American Dad right now.

Is it just me, or has Peterotica aired like 8 times so far?

Kiyosuki

07-09-2006, 09:45 PM

Man there is some strong opinion in this thread. :-O

American Dad started out pretty terrible, but its sort of tried to move away from Family Guy's shadow and do its own thing so it is getting a bit better. But its hard for me to watch because Stan has to be the most dislikable character in animation history, at least for me.

He's very....very hard to tolerate most of the time but Steve and Roger's exploits can be pretty funny. Still, its not something I would consider for my top ten list but I'm finding it a bit more watchable than Family Guy lately.

Ivan

07-09-2006, 10:41 PM

American Dad and Family Guy sucks. The Simpsons and Futurama have always been better.

Red Hot Homer Simpson

07-12-2006, 02:53 AM

American Dad probably doesn't cost 1.5 million dollars an episode.

I know, its 1.5 Million Per Staff Per Episode

Isaac

07-13-2006, 10:55 AM

Stan has to be the most dislikable character in animation history

I think that's the point.

Any time anyone tries to do an animated series with a right-wing Republican in the lead, they try to make him as unlikeable as possible. Anyone remember Spike TV's short-lived series, This Just In, for instance?

Kiyosuki

07-13-2006, 08:41 PM

Snoopy

07-16-2006, 05:29 PM

No way, Futurama is alot better than American dad. And Futurama is More popular then American dad as well.

%$#fg#@%&*aaZ__t

07-16-2006, 07:27 PM

American Dad sucks, and should have never been made. Futurama is 500x better.

Stewie Griffin

07-17-2006, 11:30 AM

To me i think that AD will never compare with the theme, settings, and plots, of futurama.

monett77

07-17-2006, 04:29 PM

american dad is not as good as futurama thats all i have 2 say :-X

Jim Jones

07-17-2006, 05:31 PM

Isaac

07-17-2006, 09:09 PM

Some people find All in the Family to be incredibly dated right now, but I still think it's funny. That's where I think American Dad will be in the next 30 years. Some people will find it dated, others will laugh in spite of the fact that it's dated. 8-)

Jakebert

07-18-2006, 10:08 AM

I think that's the point.

Any time anyone tries to do an animated series with a right-wing Republican in the lead, they try to make him as unlikeable as possible. Anyone remember Spike TV's short-lived series, This Just In, for instance?

Yes, but you can have "asshole" characters and still make them be likeable. Take Seinfeld. The 4 main characters were assholes, but they were still very likeable. Same goes with Mr. Burns, or characters like that. Stan is just annoying and makes it unwatchable.

I'M A BRICK

07-25-2006, 10:49 AM

Republicans have been around for decades and will be around for many more, this show will always have some relevance. And does anyone remember a show called Family Ties, the lead was a big Republican, and was not an "asshole"

I hate to admit this but I have been watching this show for the first time and am starting to like it. It's no way as good a Futurama but it has it's moments. Very 50's Republican nostalgia, with a stay at home mom who is always in a dress ala Donna Reed.

mrkatie

07-25-2006, 04:15 PM

I can see the comparison to an extent, but of course, that doesn't make either Family Guy or American Dad anywhere near as good as the Simpsons or Futurama.

When Family Guy first premiered, I really didn't like it. But some friends of mine insisted it was great and I gave it another chance. For a good while, I actually liked it. Then, it became popular and came back to television (along with American Dad). And now, I'm kind of back to where I started. I think the problem isn't that Family Guy has declined in quality so much as we're being given too much of a mediocre thing. Family Guy had it's shocking and funny moments, but after awhile, you get used to it and it is neither shocking nor funny. And since the show is essentially the same thing week after week, there are only so many variations they can offer. It doesn't help that American Dad is about the same show, except with a more anti-Republican slant.

There's just been too much hype around Family Guy the last couple of years. And I'm not sure why because the main attraction seems to be the fact that the show can be offensive and "out there." But if that's all you want from a cartoon, South Park still does it much better.

DotheBartman

07-25-2006, 07:30 PM

Republicans have been around for decades and will be around for many more, this show will always have some relevance.

I think the issue with AD isn't that it's dated or will be, but that it simply isn't very relevant to begin with. To me, Stan is a character that does not exist; he's a stereotype, and one that I think most smart liberals don't really buy. And the same is true with all the conservative and liberal mouthpieces on the show (which, making characters strictly that is always a problem); they're merely extreme stereotypes without much reality to them, so they aren't relevant. And please understand that I'm not saying this as a conservative. I'm pretty goddamn liberal, and I should be able to relate to Seth McFarlane's viewpoints. But I don't think he really understands the issues or, more importantly, how to satirize them effectively, and I don't buy characters like Stan or Haley as being remotely realistic or relevant.

Jakebert

07-25-2006, 10:35 PM

Exactly. While a one episode character works well as a stereo-type, you can't have the entire cast be one because it makes everything seem incredibly one-dimensional.

With AD, Stan's character doesn't work at all because it's just so over the top. Compare that to animated television's other big conservative dad, Hank Hill. Hank works because he has depth. While you can look at him and laugh at the overly patriotic beliefs, you still don't hate him because he has more to his character than just that. Stan, on the other hand, has no depth at all, and he doesn't work.

Now, I know Stan is supposed to be exaggerated to make it obvious what he's supposed to be making fun of, but Seth took the character way too far. Let's use another TV example to compare him to: Stephen Colbert. Colbert's character is fairly exaggerated, but he still works brilliantly because he's not written as "EVERYTHING I SAY IS MISGUIDED!"

DotheBartman

07-25-2006, 11:30 PM

Also, Colbert is a caricuature of the very real personality of cable show pundits like O'Reilly. Stan isn't based on....anything really, at least not based in reality, so it doesn't work.

If they created a conservative character that was a truly horrible, unlikeable character for the sake of making fun of certain kinds of conservatives, I proabably wouldn't mind. Hell, Mr. Burns is one of my favorite Simpsons characters. But it has to be based on the way some conservatives actually act, not how they're stereotyped to act. Couple that with how truly unlikeable Stan is and the fact that he's the focus of the show, and it cripples the show entirely. And the "liberal" daughter doesn't help, given that she's just as bad.

StrideR

07-26-2006, 05:28 PM

Wow, you GD guys really ran amok in the last page or so. I personally detest the idea that you can actually put all four shows (American Dad, Futurama, Simpsons, Family Guy) together and try and compare them on the same scale. It doesn't work. They all have different dynamics with different angles on reality and varying approaches to humor.

There have been some good points in this thread, but almost all the arguments are shit.

moonwalker69

07-28-2006, 05:48 AM

StrideR

07-28-2006, 12:12 PM

Don't be a bitch. If you've got something worthwhile to add, say it.

Dr.Nick.Riviera.

08-06-2006, 11:56 AM

I don't think so. Personally, I like American Dad, but I think other shows, such as Family Guy are much more popular.

SimpsonsFan89

08-08-2006, 07:54 AM

Cerpin Taxt

08-08-2006, 10:30 AM

While I'm not a Seth fan at all, I do think AD is better than FG, if for no other reason than that there is always a cohesive plot rather than flashbacks.

Jakebert

08-08-2006, 01:33 PM

I think that American Dad does many of the same issues as the other animated sitcoms - but in a different style. It satirizes in a politically-relevant style, similar to King of the Hill. When you think about it, Stan Smith is no more of a fictional conservative than Ned Flanders (from the Simpsons) or Hank Hill (from King of the Hill).

But Hank and Flanders (well, he used to be) are fairly realistic, believable characters instead of over-the-top stereo-types. Hank especially reminds me of a lot of people that I know.