Whose fault is it?

[CMQ]

A woman and man get married, and after a few years the sparks of marriage are gone. The woman is a stay-at-home wife, and the man works 14 hours a day at mininum. To pass the time, the lady takes the ferry into town and develops sexual relationships with men, always making sure to take the ferry back before her husband returns, until they become too serious and she creates an argument and forces a breakup. So the man, who we will call Lover X is starting to get serious, and the woman, on cue, creates an argument and a breakup ensues. When the man slams the door on her, she realizes she didnt bring money to take the ferry back home. She swallows her pride and knocks on the door and asks Lover X for money for the ferry and he slams the door on her again. She realizes another man she once had a extra-marital affair with lives afew doors down, and we'll call him Lover Y. Lover Y slams the door on her face also, still hurt from their breakup. So the woman has no choice but to goto the ferry without money, and talks to the Ferry Captain asking for a free ride in exchange for payment tomorrow. The Ferry Captain recognizes her as a regular, but rules are rules and she cant ride free. She realizes there is a free bridge 2 miles down the road, but to get there involves walking down a very dangerous road. She begins to walk down the road, and is confronted by a man jumping out of the bushes, demanding her money. Telling him she has none on her, they get in a struggle and the woman ends up being stabbed and dies.

Who is at fault for her death? The Husband, the Woman, Lover X, Lover Y, the Ferry Captain, or the Murderer?

I think the murderer is the only person that's guilty. He is the one that committed the crime. If this were a true story and you wanted to blame everyone you could, you would go to the shop where he bought the knife and even the maker of the knife. Blaming them would be in the same ballpark as blaming any of the other people. Unless the people she was having an affair with, the toll guy, or her husband knew that those exact events would occur and they had anything to do with her being murdered then they are not guilty.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

*whose

edit: oh, and this is retarded. of course it's the murderer's fault.

[bluemoose]

It's the murderer's fault.

Guns Knives don't kill people, people kill people.

[Ignignot]

I read this story a while ago in a book called the pig man. It's not very poignant to say whose fault it is but to rank them. That gets your mind in gear more. Who is the most at fault for her murder.

[CMQ]

It's the murderer's fault.

Guns Knives don't kill people, people kill people.

If my white ass walks through compton wearing a white sheet and waving a confederate flag, if someone kills me, its still that someone's fault that he killed me

[skittlebrau]

Oh boy, and just after I added the poll...

[bluemoose]

If my white ass walks through compton wearing a white sheet and waving a confederate flag, if someone kills me, its still that someone's fault that he killed me
I know. Although they would be less at fault (in my mind) than the murderer in the story, because they were provoked by you.

[Semaj]

I'd have to say the woman.

The murder could've happened to anyone who went down the dangerous road, which just happened to be her in the worst case scenario. The murderer simply proved the point that the road was in fact dangerous.

Plus, she didn't necessarily deserve to be murdered, but it was a consequence for her unloyal lifestyle.

[kuumuus]

ugh.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

wait...it's SOCIETY'S fault...for failing the murderer.

[George]

whore, or the stuck up ferryman.

[bluemoose]

whore, or the stuck up ferryman.
it would be slut, not whore.

and the ferryman may piss you off, but he's just doing what he's supposed to.

[kevin]

i'm not reading all that

[Ivan]

It could be the husband that is the murderer.

[boogie down mikel]

it was oj

[Spartan]

well given the circumstances, it's apparent the bush administration failed horribly here.

impeach him.

[gangman]

it's the wifes fault! see shouldn't have had an affair in the first place!

[bluemoose]

it's the wifes fault! see shouldn't have had an affair in the first place!
so she deserved to be murdered?

[box elder]

every time i've seen this before it's been a ranking of fault, rather than a simple "who is most at fault?" i think the ranking makes a lot more sense because it's pretty rare (and stupid) to blame anyone more than the actual murderer. however, would you blame the husband or boyfriends more than the adulterer? that's where it becomes truly revelatory. anyway, i'd put it like this:

1. murderer (obvious)
2. wife (not only from a moralistic standpoint, but she is also responsible for stranding herself on the other side of the river with no money like a fool)
3. lover y (you can't really blame lover x for not giving her money considering the situation, but lover y was removed from the anger of the actual fight/breakup, yet still wouldn't help her seemingly for vindictiveness alone)
4. ferry boat op (it's true that he's only following the rules, but sometimes there's a moral obligation to bend the rules when it's a trustworthy person [which, as far as his relationship with her, she is] and a dire situation [which being stranded certainly is])
5. husband (i'm not one of these people that excuses adultery because the spouse is "not loving enough" or some shit, but he should have at least been lucid enough to figure it out and change the situation)
6. lover x (see # 3 -- i see no reason to blame this guy for not handing over money under the circumstances)



perhaps i've put too much time and energy into this cheesy thing, but eh.

[Kuje]

I hope most of you never get jury duty.

[vinceq]

I'd have to say the woman.

The murder could've happened to anyone who went down the dangerous road, which just happened to be her in the worst case scenario. The murderer simply proved the point that the road was in fact dangerous.

Plus, she didn't necessarily deserve to be murdered, but it was a consequence for her unloyal lifestyle.

Wow, that's a ballsy thing to say (or write) in 2006. I think it's obviously the murderers fault for her death, but one could argue, the b*tch deserved to die (or some lesser punishment) for her immorality.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

I hope most of you never get jury duty.
never more true than after the post right above mine.

you people suck so badly.

[Veryjammy]

one could argue, the b*tch deserved to die (or some lesser punishment) for her immorality.

How? Argue that to me.

[Willmak5389]

We did this exact same story in worldcultures class for some reason.


Of course its the murderers fault

[mr. broom]

one could argue, the b*tch deserved to die (or some lesser punishment) for her immorality.
That's a separate issue. "Deserved to die" is not the same as "was responsible for her own murder." 90% of the people in this thread are confusing these two things, I'd say.

[Wasteland]

It was the murderer's father's fault. The murderer's father beat him as a child, which forced him into a life of crime, which led to him being in that alley with a knife and a taste for blood. Or maybe it's God's fault for creating the world, thus creating this senario.

[Ryan]

true, if the woman hadn't been sleeping around, she wouldnt have been there and wouldn't have been murdererd. But it's the murderer's fault, he's the one who stabbed her.

[Nebuchanezzar]

fault = responsible for something.

The murderer was responsible for the murder, hence it's his fault. What a silly ol poll question eh? I suppose this one hasn't confused anyone like mine did though.

[Toli]

Murderer and it is also the slutty hores fault she would have died of aids anyway.