Bart in South Park

[Faucet]

South Park's Cartoon War not only made fun of FG but also included Bart. Though it wasn't an attack it just had bart in it. It was funny, seeing Bart curse.

[garret]

It was funny enough, the character design was horrible though.

[Channel Surfer]

Personally, I thought the most interesting thing about Bart's appearance was his exchange with Cartman over some of their more infamous misdeeds (paraphrasing "Well I cut the head off of a statue" "Well I chopped up a kid's parents..."). Ever so slightly reminded me of Bart's exchange with Dennis the Menace in "Take My Wife Sleaze".

[Al Jean's Butt]

So are Trey Parker and Matt Stone Simpsons fans?

[E-I-E-I-Moe]

Could somebody get framegrabs/describe it more for those of us who haven't seen it?

[Channel Surfer]

So are Trey Parker and Matt Stone Simpsons fans?

http://www.popmatters.com/tv/reviews/s/south-park-season-6-dvd.shtml

It shouldn't matter, but for some reason people lump South Park and The Simpsons and any animated program together. [It's] unfortunate that we have to be compared to one of the best shows on television ever. We never get compared to Sister, Sister or Small Wonder.
— Trey Stone, Commentary for "The Simpsons Already Did It"

I know there are other quotes out there that share similar sentiments.

[Handsome Peter]

South Park's Cartoon War not only made fun of FG but also included Bart. Though it wasn't an attack it just had bart in it. It was funny, seeing Bart curse.

Wouldn't be the first time Bart appeared on South Park...

Anyway, I'm interested in watching it, but it probably won't air up here in Soviet Canuckistan for another 6 or 7 months. :angry:

[Galalimit]

How sad is it that Matt and Trey were able to write Bart better in that south park episode than the simpsons own staff has in the last 4 years?

[Gibbles]

Yeah because Bart always used to hit people on the head with a skateboard while saying "Mother Fucker" in the classic years :uhh:

[Al Jean's Butt]

Yeah because Bart always used to hit people on the head with a skateboard while saying "Mother Fucker" in the classic years :uhh:
Maybe that's Bart Simpson starring Doogie Howser's Niel Patrick Harris.

[ruggeder]

The parody of bart was funny and galalimit was right about there ability to parody it very well and make bart funny, it was the best Bart for the most part in years, and it's sad, although they do a great show so they can probably throw any character in there and write it well.

[bluemoose]

Does anyone have a clip (or just a framegrab)? I missed the episode.

[John Jay Smith]

To me the funniest thing was seeing Bart Simpsons with normal skin color. At first I thought it was some kind of joke, but then I though, that is what Bart would look like in the "real" world.

[Gibbles]

For those of you who has seen the episode:
http://duffzone.co.uk/content.php?title=ref-southpark

From review thread

[TriforceBun]

That was a funny look at if Bart met Cartman, but come on...if Bart really acted that way in The Simpsons (swearing, knocking kids out with his skateboard, trapping others), that'd be way out-of-character. It was a humorously dark take on Bart, and it worked well for the show, but there's no way it'd fly with OFF.

[Imperciph]

Personally, I thought the most interesting thing about Bart's appearance was his exchange with Cartman over some of their more infamous misdeeds (paraphrasing "Well I cut the head off of a statue" "Well I chopped up a kid's parents..."). Ever so slightly reminded me of Bart's exchange with Dennis the Menace in "Take My Wife Sleaze".

Agreed. The funny thing is that Scott Tenorman Must Die worked so well originally because it was just so damn disturbing and was even too much for Cartman to do that. But since then, they have pushed Cartman's character in that direction even more so by now it is almost normal for Cartman.

Though I would say classic Bart was even more innovative than Cartman in certain cases. Most of Cartman's plots works because in the SP universe everyone apart from the kids are extremely braindead idiots and are very easily manipulated. Apart from Scott Tenorman Must Die I haven't found anything Cartman has done to be as creative as Woodrow, Timmy O' Toole or Big Butt Skinner or prank calling Australia. I maybe alone on this, but meh.

[The Homer]

"It's not LIKE terrorism. IT IS terrorism."

Best line in that entire show.

[DotheBartman]

^Definitely true, though I would say Cartman has definitely come up with some rather devious plots over time ("Casa Bonita" for instance, or "Fun with Veal" where he almost outcons the government and the negotiator). Just like Bart his plots are usually unraveled or he gets some sort of commupence, but he's come up with some pretty huge plots. And it's not like Springfieldians are much smarter than South Park residents a lot of the time. Incidentally, it's definitely an improvement over the pre-"Tenorman" Cartman, where was more stereotypically stupid and not as interesting.

As for the characterization thing....the "Bart" appearance in the episode was great, one of the funniest things "South Park" has done for a while, but to suggest that it was better characterization than almost any episode of The Simpsons is just lunacy. I don't think Parker and Stone intended their South Park-ized Bart to be anything more than an obvious caricuature of the character. It's a parody (and somewhat based more on the marketing/merchandise than the actual character), not the "real thing". How often has Bart even said "Cowabunga", after all?

Their parody of Family Guy was quite a bit better than the actual Family Guy though. Gotta give them that.

[Kiyosuki]

There's SPOILERS in this post.

Bart showing up was a huge surprise for me. You can just tell though, that Trey and Matt have a lot of respect for the Simpsons in how they treated Bart here.

Did anyone else get that impression? Like...of course there was the usual poke or two at his character, you can't be on South Park without that. But in general...they treated him very well. I thought it was a very cool, dark look at the character but at the same time...he was somehow very in character I thought. When he talks to Cartman, he seems to admit that he's not even close to being as much of a monster as Cartman is. But I sort of liked that...Bart may be a trouble maker but he's not downright malicious and evil like Cartman is most of the time. I thought it was almost as if Trey and Matt were putting Bart in a good light. Even later on when he beats up Kyle so he won't inturrupt Cartman's plans...he's talked out of it and eventually does the right thing by helping Kyle out. I thought at first, Kyle was going to do something...drastic to Bart in order to escape but I was really glad he did the right thing in the end. He may be the legendary brat, but he's shown so many times that he's got a lot of integrity...so it made perfect sense for him to put aside his own personal hatred of the show for the better good.

Also, am I alone on this next one? Did anyone else notice how Bart's name and the place he came from is never mentioned once? I mean...it could of easilly been like he just jumped straight out of the Simpsons show in order to debunk Family Guy. But Kyle and Cartman just treat him like just another kid...rather than a famous character everyone knows. Also, instead of trying to make a semi mock of the Simpson's character design style they made Bart look like just another SP kid....like a SP version of himself. It almost makes me feel like they treated it like a crossover rather than a parody. Like maybe Springfield (or its equivalent) exists somewhere else in SP's world and he just showed up himself. Basically what I'm saying is that it seems like they didn't break the fourth wall (you know..the line between fictional worlds and "our" reality in writing. ) with him in this, he just literally made a cameo not as a famous character...but as himself.

I thought that was what was really cool about it. Instead of "OMGBart Simpson!", he was just another kid like Kyle and Cartman. Very nice way to use the character.

The episode itself was great though. The guys have been on a roll ever since the Scientology incident. Its the best I've seen out of SP in a long time, I hope more people make Trey and Matt angry in the future if it means good episodes. :D I like that they put in their two cents about why they hate Family Guy...but they didn't outright trash it and acknowledge that its ok if you do like it...they may not get it but its fine. Like how Kyle likes it etc, and how they didn't take it off in the end. It was used to prove a point. Very kinda...classy way to handle it.

[Imperciph]

^Definitely true, though I would say Cartman has definitely come up with some rather devious plots over time ("Casa Bonita" for instance, or "Fun with Veal" where he almost outcons the government and the negotiator). Just like Bart his plots are usually unraveled or he gets some sort of commupence, but he's come up with some pretty huge plots. And it's not like Springfieldians are much smarter than South Park residents a lot of the time. Incidentally, it's definitely an improvement over the pre-"Tenorman" Cartman, where was more stereotypically stupid and not as interesting.


Agreed. post "Tenorman" Cartman is probably the most devious bastard on TV. But that is where the boundaries of the show come into play : the structure of OFF is such that Bart can simply never be as devious and evil as Cartman is : that will remove the realistic core of his character. And I felt that was the point what his cameo sort of meant : Bart can never cross a certain line like Cartman often does. And I don't think we have to have long discussions to arrive at the fact that Bart's own underlying conscience combined with his deviousness makes him such an interesting character. :D

One thing though, recently Cartman just manipulates people far too easily (Ginger Kids, Best Friends Forever) that just gets boring to see. It is much more interesting when he has to constantly modify his plans like in Casa Bonita rather than simply getting his own way from the start.

And on topic of the FG parodies, I think it is just genious how well they exposed the family guy writing formula.

[DotheBartman]

One thing though, recently Cartman just manipulates people far too easily (Ginger Kids, Best Friends Forever) that just gets boring to see. It is much more interesting when he has to constantly modify his plans like in Casa Bonita rather than simply getting his own way from the start.



Yeah, I suppose that's true, though to be fair I think there's usually some satiric element at play whenever he's really having his way. When the story is seperate from any satirical point, I think he usually has more trouble. And even in "Cartoon Wars" he has to modify his plans a little. And he always get his commupance regardless (with very rare exceptions like the Tenorman episode), which is what keeps his character from becoming too grating. Incidentally, "American Dad" (from what I saw) seemed to not grasp this and made Stan Smith far too indigestable as a character in the process.


And on topic of the FG parodies, I think it is just genious how well they exposed the family guy writing formula.

Oh, yeah...it was almost like the way they broke down John Edward's whole formula years ago. It was a lot better than the jabs The Simpsons has taken at Family Guy (though those have mostly been good too), since it wasn't so simplistic...they actually thoroughly broke down the whole formula of it and exposed it for the easy writing that it is. Definitely the best parody of Family Guy I've seen anywhere.

[Eart]

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[Simpsons Forever!]

Does anyone have a clip (or just a framegrab)? I missed the episode.

Simpsons Channel now has a clip up from the episode - it was pretty funny!

[SideshowTim]

Yeah because Bart always used to hit people on the head with a skateboard while saying "Mother Fucker" in the classic years :uhh:
uh buddy, it's south park. 99% of things that happen on south park aren't a true representation of reality.

[TriforceBun]

Agreed completely with Kiyosuki, Imperciph, and DotheBartman. Very nice observations on the show's treatment of Bart and Cartman, guys. And I agree that Matt and Trey did an excellent job with this two-parter, so much that I'm worried future episodes this season will pale by comparison.

It's weird, I always ignored South Park until last year, when I caught a marathon of it. Now I'm genuinely impressed by how well-done the whole thing is.

[MikeStar]

Agreed completely with Kiyosuki, Imperciph, and DotheBartman. Very nice observations on the show's treatment of Bart and Cartman, guys. And I agree that Matt and Trey did an excellent job with this two-parter, so much that I'm worried future episodes this season will pale by comparison.

It's weird, I always ignored South Park until last year, when I caught a marathon of it. Now I'm genuinely impressed by how well-done the whole thing is.

Yes! South Park is done really well. Jokes and the story very smart.

Drawings are unique, but that's what makes South Park, South Park! pussy

[deshem]

i thought that the south park bart was very disgusting to look at it, but the fact that his characterization was from season 1 was pretty hilarious.

[Gibbles]

uh buddy, it's south park. 99% of things that happen on south park aren't a true representation of reality.
Dude I know, I was just pointing out that what Galalimit said was inaccurate when he wrote that this Bart was a more accurate version of him then what his character had been like in recent years of the show.

What TriforceBun said:
That was a funny look at if Bart met Cartman, but come on...if Bart really acted that way in The Simpsons (swearing, knocking kids out with his skateboard, trapping others), that'd be way out-of-character. It was a humorously dark take on Bart, and it worked well for the show, but there's no way it'd fly with OFF.

[bluemoose]

Simpsons Channel now has a clip up from the episode - it was pretty funny!
Thanks.

[Jamie]

I get the impression that "Bart" is actually a cosplaying kid who took his fandom a little too hard and now thinks he really is Bart

Or not, whatever

[Kiyosuki]

I get the impression that "Bart" is actually a cosplaying kid who took his fandom a little too hard and now thinks he really is Bart

Or not, whatever

Thats the beauty of his appearance. Its not just in your face "omgBartSimpson!" guest star, its very subtle. He could very much just be Bart...crossed over into SP's show as just another kid like he is in the Simpsons. He could be as you said, just a look-a-like. There's lots of ways to look at it, I thought that was a really neat way to put in the cameo.