WWE Thread

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Oh no I honestly couldnt tell if it was a legit injury or not (guess we know now) From what I understand the spot was planned but that wasnt' the intended finish to the match, they just had to improv after the botched bump.

I feel bad for Candice she was really starting to come into her own as a wrestler and now she'll be out for who knows how long. Well lemme be the first to wish her a speedy recovery.

[Dr. Horrible]

but seriously anyone who questioned candace's toughness before is mistaken, that was one sick bump....i hope beth didnt make it worse by dragging her by her head and neck though

[Dr Zaius]

Wow, I totally thought that was a work. Too bad for Candice.

Carlito jobbing to Harry Smith was one of the worst things I have ever seen. Surely he's being punished for something.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Carlito's had massive heat ever since he spoke out in an interview about being left off the card for Wrestlemania 23. His planned match with Flair was scrapped and he let his anger fly in either a newspaper or internet interview i cant remember which now.

I think the only reason he was starting to get a push in the last month was because they were low on talent due to suspentions.

[block02]

Time for Cyber Sunday Predictions/Thoughts:

Diva Halloween Costume Royale: Ugh. I think they'll probably have a face win to set up a feud with Beth. I'm picking Mickie. She deserves another run.

MVP vs. Matt Hardy: Man that was a nasty gash Matt got at the SD tapings. I don't think the U.S. Title is on the line, but it probably will be at Survivor Series so Matt would be the logical choice to win it. I'm picking a traditional wrestling match to win the vote since we've seen the two in way too many frat boy style competitions which add nothing at all to this feud.

Finlay vs. Rey: I'd like a stretcher match to win the vote, and it probably will. Finlay deserves to win simply because of his line to Rey on Smacky: "Are you speaking jive or gibberish?" But since he got the shillelagh shot on Rey, he'll job to Rey.

Triple H vs Umaga: It's been a while since we've seen a first blood match so I'd like to see one here, but I think the cage will be chosen as the stip. The feud has been very entertaining btw. Triple H will go over and put the feud to closure . He'll probably start chasing the title shortly afterwards.

ECW Title: V is to risky as a challenger or as a champion right now simply because, while entertaining, he's too one-dimensional. Miz is improving, but still shouldn't be put in any title picture just yet. That leaves Morrison. It's a hard pick, but in any event, I see the Punker retaining because he hasn't developed enough as champ yet.

World Title: Austin's getting the vote, no question. While JBL has been entertaining as hell with his campaign, the sheer nostalgia of Austin and Taker in the same ring again will be incredible. Considering the ridiculously dickish comments Batty made in his book, and the fact that he's apparently unliked backstage, and the fact that he got the spear in on Smacky, don't be surprised to see a title change.

WWE Title: Kennedy doesn't deserve it yet. HBK hasn't been back long enough. Jeff is the most logical choice, but all the marks will vote HBK. It will be a good match, but Orton will retain for the same reason as Punk. I've said this ad nauseum but he needs to keep it until 'Mania, where he'll drop it to Triple H.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Does it strike anyone else as stupid that they put something on Cyber Sunday that we cant vote for? (of course i mean the costume contest) It's not a big deal it's really just a filler but isnt the whole point of Cyber Sunday the voting aspect?

Also a fun bit of news from the recent UK tour :

"There was an incident involving Undertaker and Chris Masters during a Taker & Kane vs. Finlay & Masters match last week at a house show in Scotland.

It all started when Taker started working over Masters' arm early in the match. Masters tagged out and just stood there on the apron without selling the pain. On the other side of the ring, Taker was gesturing to Masters as if to say, "Sell your arm, dumbass." Masters still wasn't doing anything, and then Taker actually yelled it across the ring. Masters sold a bit and then apparently forgot again.

Masters was tagged back into the match, and apparently Undertaker roughed him up, blooding and perhaps breaking his nose. Masters then started having trouble breathing and got completely blown up. He finally rolled out of the ring and sold like he'd hurt his arm legit. As it turns out, Masters actually dislocated his elbow at some point.

Some guys came out and took Masters to the back. Finlay finished the rest of the match alone. That was the last time Masters wrestled on the tour. Also, a photo of Masters wearing a sling on his arm turned up online, so his injury was serious."

:LOL:

[Santos L. Halper]

Cyber Sunday Rumours:

Orton will lose his title.
And
You'll be seeing Y2J.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Ok so why did they just announce voting for the US title match ON THE PPV!?!?!? Are the only titles that matter anymore the major two!? (ok i think i answered my own question)

*I'll be updating this at the end of the ppv with thoughts. i didnt actually order it but i am reading the reports as they come in.*

EDIT: well for the most part it was pretty predictable with the voting. There were some suprises. Who'da thought the marks would have voted a Street Fight over a Steel Cage not to mention The Miz getting a title shot. I do retract my comment about the US title as it was a quick fix after the Hardy injury or they wanted to have him sell it further probably. This show in general seemed a dissapointment just from reading. It is a pretty big "fuck you" to the fans to have not one but TWO championship matches end with the heel champ purposly losing in a way that they retain the title. The HHH-Umaga match and the Taker-Batista match both sounded good though i'll have to look those up online later ;) Oh and still no Y2J yet

[Dr Zaius]

I was disappointed it wasn't first blood. You just don't see those anymore.

Still no Y2J? Come on, they're killing us.

[Dr. Horrible]

save_us.x29

x means 10

10/29 is tonight

raw should be jericho tonight

[Curtis]

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v106/223/86/501485233/n501485233_1508578_58.jpg

Me and Booker T at DVon Dudleys smoothie shop

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v130/223/86/501485233/n501485233_1549327_4101.jpg

Me and Jericho (again) at book signing Friday. He should be debuting tonight me thinks :D

[Dr. Horrible]

nope wait until 11/19....bastards

this is going on a bit long now

[Curtis]

Yeah it sucks but the payoff will be big. His debut in 1999 was like 3 months in the making.

[Dr. Horrible]

yes but back then, it was a) an actual countdown so we knew roughyl when it was goign to stop
b) it was still early in te internet age so not everyone knew it was jericho
c) by the time this actually happens now i dont think people will care as much, no mercy would have ben great esepcially with cena going down to injury, cyber sunday would have been even better with having the save us message interrupt one of the polls or something, like have jeff, shawn, and kennedy's poll numbers be "hacked into" and each of them only end up with 2% of the poll with SAVE_US getting 94% and boom cyber sunday is jericho, and last nite with the x29 = 10/29 did absolutley nothing, this is the second time they have referenced a specific date and not brougth jericho out....i dont even think they know what they want to do with him yet

[block02]

Jericho's debut in '99 remains one of my all-time favorite segments ever. I think it's a good move not having him return too soon, but it's risky because if they milk it too long, fans may lose interest.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

This feels similar to what they did with re-uniting DX a year or so back. They hinted at it for months and everyone was ready for it, DX chants and signs in every arena. The fans were so ready for it to happen that the wait was worth it.

I like that kind of suspense really of knowing something is going to happen but not having a clue as to when.

[Dr. Horrible]

wait....dx was worth it last year?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

well.... there really wasnt much to look forward to last year. ^_^;;

[Dr. Horrible]

ecw continues to be the best hour of wrestling on tv

[block02]

I missed ECW tonight but I'm glad Morrison is No 1 contender again. I still can't imagine a match involving Miz being that great, but for those who saw it, how was that match?

[Dr. Horrible]

i really really enjoyed the match and the miz is slwoyl growing on me, he was showing a lot of intensity at cyber sunday and i really enjoyed the match

[block02]

Cool. I really hope Morrison gets the belt back. He's my favorite current character behind Edge.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Two more suspentions today. And in keeping with the new wellness policy they publically announced the names of the suspended talent, however the drugs they were busted for is still unknown.

The first is not that big a suprise, Chris Masters was busted again and it was probably for some steriod or testosterone supliment. God knows he doesnt look like that from hours in the gym. btw this is Master's 2nd strike. If he gets busted again he's gone.

The other suspention shocked me a bit and it came at a very very bad time in this young man's career after being called up to Raw and given a push a few weeks back. Yup Harry "D.H." Smith got handed a 30 day suspention for violating the wellness policy. If I had to guess I'd bet money on pain killers over steroids just because of what happened with his father i doubt he'd be the type to use roids. I could be wrong but i'd like to give him the bennefit of the doubt.

[Dr Zaius]

DH Smith is the worst ring name I ever heard.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I watched RAW for the first time in a bit the other night. The fact that Cena has gone provides me with some hope, and I'll definately tune in during the holidays to see if it makes much of a difference. HBK looks better than he has in a while too, imo, and a whole lot younger.

Good thing about Cena being out is that he'll seem refreshing when he comes back. If they handle it well, it could be pretty exciting.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

DH Smith is the worst ring name I ever heard.

Even worse than when Glen Jacobs was the Christmas Creature?

EDIT: Very VERY Sad news everyone. At age 73 The Fabulous Moolah has passed away. :'(

[Dr. Horrible]

rip moolah

also in accordance with the enw wellness policy wwe announced dh smith and shock of all shocks chris masters are on suspension

[Dr Zaius]

Even worse than when Glen Jacobs was the Christmas Creature?

Even worse.
Seriously, DH Smith? That sucks.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

So I'm watching Raw now (missed the first hour due to play rehersal) and I see a commercial for Raw vs Smackdown 2008. Not only to the graphics look improved but we now get to use FLAMING TABLES!!!

[Matt B.]

Hell yeah

[block02]

Best Raw I've seen in quite a while. Absolutely fantastic kayfabe-breaking opening with DX, a very entertaining Santino/Austin segment, two fun squashes and two great tag matches with HBK getting the kick on Orton once again...man Khali/Honrsy aside, I'm really looking forward to Survivor Series......I can't wait for SD vs Raw 2008 either considering it's gonna be my first since DoR2, and my first of the SD vs. Raw series. Plus the demos I've seen look awesome.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Well that didnt take long. 6 Days after being suspended again, WWE has FIRED Chris Masters. Now if they would just get rid of Kahli and Snitzky....

[D DEBBS]

RIP Moolah
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Anyone watching the WWE on Family Feud this week?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Big day in wrestling history today. Tis the 10 year anniversery of the Montreal Screwjob.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Well it appears as if next monday will indeed be RAW IS JERICHO:megadance:

[Dr. Horrible]

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7569/cjes6.jpg

i think it p-shopped but go nuts kids

[shark_vs_gorilla]

According to my sources it's legit. This is the story that has been up since this morning:
"WWE has confirmed the return of Chris Jericho before it actually happened. The latest issue of WWE Magazine features Chris Jericho on the cover with the tag line “Chris Jericho: The real story behind Y2J’s shocking return”. On the cover photo Jericho is shown plugging in two power cables. The magazine will hit newsstands later next week."

[shark_vs_gorilla]

i think we're all jsut waiting on the collective orgasm when jericho comes back

sooooo....... where is everyone? Y2J's been back for 2 weeks. Just had his first match like 3 min ago.

He's lookin good maybe a lil bit of ring rust but then again it was a short match i dont think it was even 10 min so there wasnt alot to judge on yet. Promo wise he's still as funny and charismatic as ever and it really feels great just to see him on Raw every week again.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Stone Cold v Dude Love promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3E84v6J0Q&feature=related)

Man wrestling used to be so hip and cool. Anywayz, 3 hour RAW next week. Hopefully it'll be better than that 3 hour return to the USA thing they did a year or so ago, which imo, was a little drab.

I've been craving a completely new stage for quite some time too.

[aoife]

Vinny Mac gets the shit beat out of him at the end of Raw. Good times
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/splash/images/6033722

[block02]

It was an entertaining show, but Christ the crowd was dead. Don't have time to review it unfortunately(Finals, y'know) so I'll give a quick take on tonight's ECW:

-Opening tag was, pretty sloppy at some places, but it was what it was. The tag at Armageddon should be very interesting. Punk needs a fresh and consistent feud instead of floating around aimlessly like he has been for a couple of months.

-Shelton's promos are good in content but Good Lord he needs to work on his delivery. Look for him to be put in a feud with Punk soon.

-2nd tag was a bit long but very entertaining...I'd still like to see Morrison and Miz drop the belts though so Morrison can get the ECW Title again. The corkscrew neckbreaker may very well be my favorite finisher in WWE right now. All it needs is a name(The End maybe....)

-The Jamaican guy (sorry can't think of his name) looks like an interesting gimmick. Apparently he's very talented in the ring as well, so who know.

-Sorry tuned out for the Diva's match...I keep hearing something about Kelly improving..could someone enlighten me?

-Main event was fun. Batista is very entertaining as long as his mathches are kept at about this length. Burke sold his ass off. Morrison is the only other guy I'd rather see with the ECW Title.

[Dr Zaius]

Gillberg rules. We need to see more of that guy. Awesome to see Steve Blackman back also, dude looks like a bull.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Nice to see this thread isn't dead. Anyway the Raw special last week was just a lot of fun. I couldnt' believe that RVD was back for a night I mean i knew he left on good terms but I really was not expeciting that.

Just seeing all the ledgends and... other past raw wrestlers, was well like i said just fun.

[block02]

Too bad the crowd was dead the whole night. Not even Ted DiBiase's laugh got a reaction......Armageddon looked like a pretty good show glad Edge is champ again-look for 'Taker to get the title at 'Mania....it looks like Jericho may be condemned to mid-card once again..dammit.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Wow Ric Flair's promo last night was something else, I mean I'd expect nothing less from the Nature Boy but it's rare these days to hear that great of a promo the kind that really comes from the heart and is a product of the person speaking rather than some shmuck in a writer's room

[Nebuchanezzar]

Found this on www.6starwrestling.com - a forum I visit. I have no idea where they got it from...

THE NIGHT BEFORE CHHHRISTMAS.
By Sean Carless.

'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the arena,
Not a superstar was pushed, bar John fucking Cena;
The midcard was buried, pinned by DX with care,
In hopes that Wrestlemania's Main Event soon would be there;

OVW grads were nestled all snug in their limbo's,
Their main roster dreams squelched, leap-frogged by some bimbos;
When suddenly a Wolverine, on the night he was getting the strap,
He dealt out some domestic crossfaces and decided to snap.

When suddenly out of nowhere there arose such a clatter,
Mr. Kennedy of all people rose to put his two cents in on the matter.
Away to the media Ken Kennedy flew like a flash,
Saying "there's no more steroids in wrestling!"...all while forgetting to hide his own stash.

The Media was up WWE's ass from Vince's head to his toe
Trying to figure out who was on steroids and who was on blow.
When, what to my wondering eyes should suddenly transpire?
But fucking Marc Mero on TV calling Vince McMahon a liar!

With a face frozen with botox, so unmoving and cold;
The TV said he was a 'superstar' yet not a single buy had he sold.
Faster than you can say bullshit, more cling-ons they came,
And they whistled, and shouted, and called Vince out by name;

"Now, Orton! Now Hunter! Now Lashley! And 'Tista!
Their ain't a single one not juicin', Vince himself not the least!"
From the dregs of wrestling's past came even more bottom-feeders
No one was safe from their charges, not even the locker-room leaders!

Debra claimed that life with Stone Cold the punches would fly,
He opened up cans of whoop-ass and left her with many a black eye.
The piston-like rights rained and the Thesz presses they flew,
Stomping mudholes in her ass because of roid-rage and far too much brew.

Soon however, the industry rolled on with full dignity and grace;
Bar any mention of Chris Benoit, whose proof of existence was launched deep into space.
But at least Hunter returned to the roster, pinning everyone in his path,
Not a single tag team, heel or face would not feel his wrath.

He was dressed all in black, and carried a hammer,
He showed no vulnerability, not even a stammer;
But still, there wasn't a thing WWE could not handle!
Well, until 12 dudes got busted in the Signature Pharmacy scandal!

Now, some people would be broken, but Vince was NOT done;
He said "Fuck you, Mr. Kennedy" and made a midget his son!
The "laughs" went on and on for weeks at a time,
Those of us not ten wondered if TV this bad was a crime.

However, Orton versus Cena soon emerged from this wreck;
Creating new interest until The Champ tore off his pec.
The Marine went down for 8 months, leaving the title in doubt;
But Hunter stepped forward saying "I'll win the bout!"

But Orton still got the gold, and received Hunter's "Rub";
But not before he and Umaga were pinned and made to look like a schlub.
With a thunderous pedigree and long three-counted fall,
The Audience was reminded who should have really stood tall.

Hunter still had belt number 12, and I guess he was pleased,
Because Orton moved onto Michaels, Skinner's hat and two wobbly knees.
But all was not finished, as a Savior returned;
With apathy in the Carolinas and some new lessons learned.

Don't expect to get shit in the south unless your name is Flair;
And for god sakes, Chris, cut that gay hair!
And when you don't get over, I'm sure Hunter'll be ready;
He'll take your Wrestlemania slot and not 'cause he's petty.

It's just that there's no one left, and he IS THE GAME;
It really doesn't matter that every year Mania's the same!
WWE never changes and won't 'til Vince is not here;
So, Merry Christmas to all!... and expect the same shit next year!

[Dr. Horrible]

meh i could write better lol

but rumble picks

shawn, flair, shelton, taker are my picks and i could see jeff getting a hot shot title run for a month


also maria is going to be this year's playboy cover girl, get your lube ready fellas..........also maybe santino will pull the eddie route which would be amazing

[Santos L. Halper]

Where'd you hear about Maria?

If only Mickie James would do Playboy...

[Dr. Horrible]

maria has been on many a wrestling website


btw here's mickie james for ya

link is NSFW: http://www.wrestling-news.com/wow/alexislaree.html

[shark_vs_gorilla]

I always love the rumble match itself it's just got that air of complete unpredictability not so much who will win but who will eliminate who and the order of entry there's just someting special about a total free for all where you dont know who or what is comming next.

speaking of the rumble Horswoggle and Mick Foley just quallified on Raw. Methinks this will be quite the enjoyable rumble this year

[Santos L. Halper]

Thanks for the link 'boogie down mikel' I'm at work atm so I'll check them out at home.

Can someone tell me why is Little Bastard/Hornswoggle being pushed for? He's more useless than Khali or Big Fatty V.

[block02]

Long story short, he's vinnie mac's bastard son. Believe it or not, it's actually more stupid than it sounds. Seriously.... Christ what an inconsistent Raw tonight was. Half was gold, half was crap...methinks Triple H will find his way back into the Rumble match and win it, and of course get the title from Orton at 'Mania......speaking of such I know it's early but does anybody have any MITB picks yet?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Thanks for the link 'boogie down mikel' I'm at work atm so I'll check them out at home.

Can someone tell me why is Little Bastard/Hornswoggle being pushed for? He's more useless than Khali or Big Fatty V.

No one is more useless than Khali. Period.

[Santos L. Halper]

Long story short, he's vinnie mac's bastard son. Believe it or not, it's actually more stupid than it sounds.

Sorry. I should have made myself more clear. I know what the story is but I meant why is he getting this push? He's useless.

No one is more useless than Khali. Period.

I'd rather that big dud than that little dud. I remember watching a Little Bastard/Hornswhoggle match V Coach, I felt like I was watching Road Runner V Coyote. LB/H went under the ring and got out that bomb thingy where you have to push the handle down.....

Remember that stupid match?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

i remember. but in all honesty Hornswoggle is a better worker than khali is or ever will be. Hornswoggle has personallity and we both

khali has the personality and wrestling skill of a used tissue. hell i'd rather watch the used tissue wrestle i'm sure it would be more interesting and a lot less painful than a khali match.

[Dr. Horrible]

hornswaggle is a better worker than khali

true story.

he also sells more merch

[Santos L. Halper]

Both shithouse anyway. It's like someone asking "which would hurt more, cutting your left or right testicle off?"

PS: Orton is the worst WWE Champ. I thought he'd make an awesome champ but so far he's disappointing.

[block02]

I'm actually digging Orton as champ, but there is no denying he's ratings poison, yet he seems to be getting no blame for the ratings drop. Just watch for all the Cena haters who claimed "cena sux cuz he cant't draw" to jump on his bandwagon when he returns.

[Dr. Horrible]

the ratings havent dropped much, they will continue to stay roughly around where they are unless theres a special like anniversary show

wrestling simply isnt as popular as it was a couple years ago so so the ratings are gonna stay roughly the same

[Santos L. Halper]

I'm actually digging Orton as champ, but there is no denying he's ratings poison, yet he seems to be getting no blame for the ratings drop. Just watch for all the Cena haters who claimed "cena sux cuz he cant't draw" to jump on his bandwagon when he returns.

You know what? I was a Cena hater. Not because of that "he can't draw" business but because he was a superman. He can take on the world blindfolded and one hand tied behind his back with both feet tied together and still win but I actually now rate him as a WWE champ. Orton isn't half the champ Cena is. (Never thought I'd say that)

I'd love to see Trips or Jeff Hardy as WWE Champ but if Trips became champ I'm sure we'd hear the "married to the bosses daughter" line thrown out by the haters.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

It's been thrown out before the "married to steph" line. but the fact of the matter is that HHH is the best in the biz today. I know it sounds like a cheep line but I really believe that.

I see Jeff winning the belt eventually but not at the rumble. just feel like it's not quite time yet. but if he keeps doing well and staying out of trouble (keep in mind the suspention last august) he will be champ one of these days.

[Santos L. Halper]

It's been thrown out before the "married to steph" line. but the fact of the matter is that HHH is the best in the biz today. I know it sounds like a cheep line but I really believe that.

Doesn't sound cheap to me. Triple H is my favourite wrestler. Although, Jeff Hardy is my favourite wrestler if that makes any sense.

I see Jeff winning the belt eventually but not at the rumble. just feel like it's not quite time yet. but if he keeps doing well and staying out of trouble (keep in mind the suspention last august) he will be champ one of these days.

I really hope so. Just the way the crazy bastard is wrestling makes him a deserved champion. It would be awesome seeing Hardy win the title at WM but I doubt it will happen.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Can someone tell me why is Little Bastard/Hornswoggle being pushed for? He's more useless than Khali or Big Fatty V.

Because he's popular and gets a massive reaction out of the crowd? :gatorshrug:

You know, I've always thought there should be a bit of everything in the WWE/F. A bit of mud wrestling, some technical stuff, some brawling, some comedy, some drama, some HBK and I don't see any reason why they can't include some midget wrestling if the crowd's into it. And they are.

You know what? I was a Cena hater. Not because of that "he can't draw" business but because he was a superman. He can take on the world blindfolded and one hand tied behind his back with both feet tied together and still win but I actually now rate him as a WWE champ. Orton isn't half the champ Cena is. (Never thought I'd say that)

Which is sad, because Cena is still Godawful imo. :ashamed:

Maybe if they push Orton for three years with about two televised losses, then he'll be as over as Cena. Hehe.

[Santos L. Halper]

Because he's popular and gets a massive reaction out of the crowd? :gatorshrug:

They should use that time/space to push someone who actually deserves to be pushed like Jericho. They milk every last drop of publicity to promote his return, give him one title shot and them make him job to that fat bastard JBL.

Maybe if they push Orton for three years with about two televised losses, then he'll be as over as Cena. Hehe.

Hang on. Cena lost twice?! When did this happen? :silly:

[block02]

The problem with Jericho was 1)The casual fans wanted long-haired, catchphrase-spewing Jericho and didn't get that, so he didn't get as huge of a reaction as anticipated and 2)he was immediately put in a title match, which was way too soon imo....WWE is probably kicking themselves now for listening to the demographic that was screaming for Jericho's return, which only makes up about 20% of wrestling fans.....personally I actually find JBL very entertaining on the stick, as far as wrestling ability....meh.

[Santos L. Halper]

I'm tired of heels copping praise because they get a reaction. It's not hard to to be hated. Try being a face and see the reaction they get.

I agree with Jericho getting a title shot so early. He should been a 'main eventer' for a while then got a shot at the title.

WWE handled him/his return very poorly.

[Dr. Horrible]

i think hwo jericho was supposed to debut was as a heel against cena because cena was the one who got him fired but when cena went down the wwe kinda winged it

[shark_vs_gorilla]

honestly i wish JBL had stayed as a commentator on smackdown. now we have to listen to michael cole and the coach who have zero chemistry :banghead:

[Santos L. Halper]

Cole and Coach? Isn't it Cole and that Todd Grisham or whatever his name is?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

nope they decided to put cole and coach as the smackdown announcers.... i shouldnt have to explain why that's a bad idea it should speak for itself

[Santos L. Halper]

I don't really watch SD! anyway. Raw is by far the best WWE brand. Followed by ECW.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

that's funny cause i simply cant bring myself to watch WWECW. it just feels wrong because the REAL ECW was something special something great and what they show on sci fi is just vince's attepmt to make money off the ECW name.

[Santos L. Halper]

Oh, classic ECW can't be mentioned in the same line as this current one but I still rate it better than SD!

I loved watching Sandman, Sabu and RVD and they're not even there anymore. Although I heard RVD might come back.

PS: I have a feeling Triple H's opponent tonight is either Big Show or Lashley.

[Dr. Horrible]

if you get past the idea that this isnt the old ecw and it never will be its actually a pretty entertaining show

[Santos L. Halper]

I know. All I'm saying is that it will never be like the classic.

[Nebuchanezzar]

They should use that time/space to push someone who actually deserves to be pushed like Jericho. They milk every last drop of publicity to promote his return, give him one title shot and them make him job to that fat bastard JBL.

But Hornswoggle is more popular than Jericho. I have a feeling that Hornswoggle could really catch on to the mainstream. Next Steve Austin right there.

EDIT: cool new stage!

[shark_vs_gorilla]

But Hornswoggle is more popular than Jericho. I have a feeling that Hornswoggle could really catch on to the mainstream. Next Steve Austin right there.

EDIT: cool new stage!

yeah Horny is one of my top pics to win the rumble ;-/ others would be Trips Batista and Taker

in shocking news Bobby Lashly has apparently quit WWE. details are still sketchy but that is the rumor that seems to be fact at this time.

[Santos L. Halper]

Yeah. Terrible news. Lashley was a huge star and had huge potential.

Apparently he wants to do MMA.

[block02]

Meh. He was decent, but hardly irreplaceable.

[Santos L. Halper]

I just hope he doesn't end up at that other piece of shit along with the rest of the WWE rejects.

[Dr. Horrible]

still a rumor at this point, until wwe.com confirms it i wouldnt hold my breath on anything yet

[Santos L. Halper]

I hope its not true.

[Mira]

Gillberg rules. We need to see more of that guy. Awesome to see Steve Blackman back also, dude looks like a bull.

Steve Blackman is back? I didn't see that coming... which brand is he on?

If he ever wears that cheese hat again, my life will reach a new meaning.

[block02]

It was a one night only thing unfortunately.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

I hope its not true.

it's lookin pretty true to me. his page is gone from WWE.com and all his merchandice has been placed on clearence. seems like only a matter of time before we get the official word that he's gone.

[Santos L. Halper]

it's lookin pretty true to me. his page is gone from WWE.com and all his merchandice has been placed on clearence. seems like only a matter of time before we get the official word that he's gone.

Yeah, it's looking like it is true. He's been saying on his website, bobbylashleyonline.com, that he will not be returning to the WWE for reasons beyond his control. Word has it he's pissed off at a couple of things. The way they treated his real life GF Krystal and the refusal to bring him back on Raw when he's been ready since mid December.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

if anyone cares here are my rumble predictions

Ric Flair vs. MVP (Flair loses his career is over)

My Pick: Flair. there is no way he is gonna get beat tonight.

Y2J vs JBL (battle of the initials)

my pick: JBL on a DQ

I just get this feeling from his promo on Raw that Jericho is going to snap at some point in the match and beat down JBL with a weapon or something as it seems that revenge for Y2J would be more important than winning. (from a purely storyline pov mind you)

Edge vs Mysterio (World Heavyweight Championship)

My Pick: Edge. in recent years the title matches at the rumble have been sort of tune-ups for the champs going into mania and the build up for this match hasnt' made me think differently

Jeff Hardy Vs. Randy Orton (WWE Championship)

My pick: Jeff Hardy. this is a really hard one it could honestly go either way. but i think that from a business standpoint more people will pay to see Jeff as champ than Orton.

Rumble Match

My Pick(s): Undertaker, Triple H, Batista

the rumble is always hard just because there are always a number of guys who could win especially with the brand extention. I think these three are the most likely to win it. but if you are gonna make me pick just one..... i'll pick Taker.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Potential royal rumble winners this year are all pretty cruddy. I don't really want either of those three (the three who I think will win too, btw) to win. :ashamed:

Hope HBK and Kennedy's feud plays an important part in the Rumble match though. :)

[Nebuchanezzar]

No! Anyone but Cena! :ashamed:

[shark_vs_gorilla]

wow that seriously came outta left field. i mean he's supposta be injured right?

well i'm still happy i guessed the JBL dq victory

[Niko Vance]

^ I seriously think the Doctor didn't give Cena the ok,he just wanted to come back cause he thought the fans missed,which of course they didn't...


Trips should have won the rumble.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I'd much rather a Cena win over yet another main event involving HHH. So uh, to update my stance, "anyone but Cena, excluding HHH!"

[Burnin']

I haven't followed wraslin' for about 5 or 6 years. I think the royal rumble is the most interesting and unique of all the competitions/matches that wrestling has to offer. The last one I watched when I followed the show was one in which Kane just plowed through everyone and I think even Drew Carey was in it. Since then I haven't followed wrestling but last night I watched most of the royals up to date. When I watch this year's it will be a little odd for me, I read the list of 30 competitors and recognized 8 of them.... But still I really enjoy the Royal Rumble's even having no knowledge of the back story.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

I believe that was the 2001 Royal Rumble if memory serves me right. but yeah there really is nothing like the royal rumble match it just has something special about it

[Santos L. Halper]

And it begins....

Cena will probably have his belt back tonight by taking on everyone on the ECW, Raw and Smackdown rosters.

[Dr. Horrible]

cena is the hardest working man in the industry, he must have rehabbed like crazy to get back in that of shape for the rumble especially when they were calling for him to miss mania altogether

[Santos L. Halper]

You're right. Cena is the hardest working man in the industry. It's tough work beating everyone in the world by Fu'ing them, waving your hand in front of your face and being a wigga.

They exaggerated his return date to begin with. There were rumours he would have some sort of roll in the Rumble.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: can we please not have this argument for the ump-teenth time?

've made peace with the fact that the pro cena and anti cena camps will never see eye to eye no matter what. and no ammount of discussion will change anyone's mind. cant we all just get along?

[Santos L. Halper]

Alright. I promise to stop my anti-Cena posts.

Also, for the record, I don't hate Cena. I know he works hard but what pisses me off is he stays champion for 999,999,999,999,999 weeks doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. So I have WWE management to thank I guess.

[Mira]

I haven't followed wraslin' for about 5 or 6 years. I think the royal rumble is the most interesting and unique of all the competitions/matches that wrestling has to offer. The last one I watched when I followed the show was one in which Kane just plowed through everyone and I think even Drew Carey was in it. Since then I haven't followed wrestling but last night I watched most of the royals up to date. When I watch this year's it will be a little odd for me, I read the list of 30 competitors and recognized 8 of them.... But still I really enjoy the Royal Rumble's even having no knowledge of the back story.

The acquisition of ECW & WCW/ the Invasion storyline, WWE's version of NWO and the roster/ brand split are what ruined wrestling for me. Garbage like TNA, WWECW and and John Cena, whatever the fuck he's supposed to be aren't helping matters. But Jericho's back! I've tried to watch every week since he's been back.

[Dr. Horrible]

people bitch when the title gets switched around too much because they say it loses credibility and then people complain when someone has a nice long title reign like in the old days, there is jsut no pleasing anyone

[shark_vs_gorilla]

^ too true

[Santos L. Halper]

people bitch when the title gets switched around too much because they say it loses credibility and then people complain when someone has a nice long title reign like in the old days, there is jsut no pleasing anyone

Mate, I have never complained about the title being switched around. It bores me to tears when some tosser holds the belt for a billion years. I'll ask you a question, did you enjoy JBL's title run?

[Dr. Horrible]

yes i did

jbl has been the most credible heel champion in the past 5 years, edge is a very close second but he needed a bit longer of a title reign

[shark_vs_gorilla]

personally i have to disagree I think Edge is the superior heel champ because he has both great mic work and he's a much better worker than JBL is.

[Dr. Horrible]

yeah but edge has the "cool heel" aura around him, believe me i love edge but as far as a heel who has everyone in the whole arena booing him, that would go to jbl

[shark_vs_gorilla]

yeah i'll give you that jbl was booed across the board. guess i personally just like edge better :D

[Dr. Horrible]

as do i lol

[Nebuchanezzar]

people bitch when the title gets switched around too much because they say it loses credibility and then people complain when someone has a nice long title reign like in the old days, there is jsut no pleasing anyone

or maybe it's a case of finding the middle ground. no-one seemed to complain back in the days of 96/97, or early 00 in regards to title lengths. They were usually around 4/2 months long, generally.

[Dr. Horrible]

people did complain back then, thats when the title was treated as more of a prop than anything else

[Nebuchanezzar]

Does that mean they complained about the title reign lengths, or this "prop" business.

Btw, what do you mean by prop?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

does anyone find it confusing that Cena is getting his title shot at NWO? what was the point of him winning the rumble if he gets the shot early?

[Dr. Horrible]

well if you watched raw cena said he didnt want to wait two months for mania and he wanted orton so orton said that as a real champ he has people pay for his title matches hence the nwo match

i meant that the title lost credibility and was jsut used as a prop to show who the champ was instead of having a long title reign to have them earn the belt

[shark_vs_gorilla]

oh i know the story line reason for it. It just confuses me that for the only time since 1993 when the stipulation of headlining mania was introduced the rumble winner hasnt waited till mania.

[Dr. Horrible]

vince never main evented mania when he won it either

[shark_vs_gorilla]

oops :facesmack: i probably should have looked into that.

another interesting trend I'm starting to notice is that WWE stars who arent happy with their position go to TNA (Christian, Rhino, Tomko, Angle..) but now TNA wrestlers not happy with their position are going to WWE (Chris Harris and Ron Killings)

[Santos L. Halper]

yes i did

jbl has been the most credible heel champion in the past 5 years, edge is a very close second but he needed a bit longer of a title reign

I guess that's where me and you differ, mate.

I hate knowing 100% that the WWE champ will retain his title at a ppv. I refuse to order any ppv's because I, aswell as the rest of the world, already know the outcome. Anyway... Each to their own I guess.

[block02]

vince never main evented mania when he won it either

Yeah and that was possibly the worst rumble ever along with one of the worst 'Mania's ever.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Worst 'Mania ever had to be WMII it was just a giant clusterfuck

[block02]

Worst one I've ever seen is WM 2000. Not one fucking singles match. The only saving graces were the triangle ladder match, Jericho/thatguywerenotspeakingof/Angle, and to a lesser extent, the main event.

[Dr. Horrible]

worst mania was wrestlemania 11 or 12 kids, dont get it twisted, mania 2 was entirely innvoative for holding it at 3 different venues so it was bound to be a bit uneasy

worst rumble was the first rumble, the rumble that vince won was very very entertaining, it was at the height of the austin/mcmahon feud which was great

and i loved mania 2000, dual title triple threat with angle, benoit, and jericho was amazing, triangle ladder match was superb, multiman hardcore was a great kicker to the show, main event was awesome, the dx/kane rikishi match was decent and it had pete rose getting the stink face with paul bearer doing corthc chops, you cant beat that

[block02]

12 was pretty bad except for the main event.

my beef with '99 Rumble was that the whole story behind it was Austin/McMahon and the other 28 participants were completely irrelevant.

As far as 'Mania 2000, first off the hardcore royal did not kick off the show, it followed D'Lo and Godfather vs. Boss Man and Bull Buchanan. Both matches were a total mess and the ending to the royal was botched big-time. DX vs. Kane/Rikishi was ok I guess but hardly 'Mania quality, same for the main event. It was important because it was the first time a heel left as champ(and Triple H was at the top of his "Game"-sorry had to get the gratuitous pun in there-during this time). However, the match itself took a backseat to the McMahons and you could see Vince's turn coming a mile away(contrast to the following year which featured possibly the most unpredictable heel turn ever)

...but I'm rambling, so I'd like to talk about current developments..I'm glad Cena's back I just hope he doesn't hog the title again. He and Triple H will likely headline this year's 'Mania. We'll also likely get Undertaker vs Edge and Benjamin vs Punk. I'd also like to see Michaels vs Flair.

I'm loving ECW more and more lately(I'd sill like to see Morrison get the belt back but oh well) The Colin Delaney story is very entertaining and it looks like Tommy Dreamer is gonna be a mentor to him so that should be neat. Also, Kofi Kingston is very impressive. He'll be the guy to watch in the coming months I think.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

i'll give you that Mania II was trying to be innovative. It's just that the innovation didn't work plus some of those guest commentators were just ungodly awful. out of the first 14, II is the only one i cant bring myself to watch.

but i can see justification for both mania 11 and 12 being the worst. as they were pretty bad themselves.

oh and btw as long as we're on the subject of crap in wrestling... http://www.wrestlecrap.com/ this site is awlays good for a laugh ^_^

[Dr. Horrible]

i could see vince trying to pull off a tri-venue wrestlemania again now that he has three announce teams and such, i think it'd be amazing

[Santos L. Halper]

The worst main event in a WrestleMania was Triple H V Batista in WM21.

Boring as hell.

[block02]

Actually both main events were awful(though I wouldn't call Batty vs Triple H worst ever-that distinction probably belongs to Lawrence Taylor vs Bam Bam Bigelow from WM 11), but the majority of WM 21 was awesome.

[Nebuchanezzar]

worst mania was wrestlemania 11 or 12 kids, dont get it twisted, mania 2 was entirely innvoative for holding it at 3 different venues so it was bound to be a bit uneasy

worst rumble was the first rumble, the rumble that vince won was very very entertaining, it was at the height of the austin/mcmahon feud which was great

and i loved mania 2000, dual title triple threat with angle, benoit, and jericho was amazing, triangle ladder match was superb, multiman hardcore was a great kicker to the show, main event was awesome, the dx/kane rikishi match was decent and it had pete rose getting the stink face with paul bearer doing corthc chops, you cant beat that

I heartily concur!

[block02]

Major kudos to HBK for putting over Jeff Hardy.

[Mister Black]

Major kudos to HBK for putting over Jeff Hardy.
Yeah, how nice of him. It will also be nice when he superkicks Jeff Hardy out of the Elimination Chamber.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I thought the internet had gotten over that 'HBK doesn't put over people cause he's a prima donna' thing about a decade ago...

If that's what you were implying.

[Jeremy]

I thought that as well until I saw someone state that Shawn's STILL USING HIS BACKSTAGE POWERZZZZ to hold guys back, and then cited something from a decade ago as evidence, which got a laugh out of me.

Shawn might still have some prickish tendencies (that Hogan feud seemed to bring out that side of him again), but he's far better now - the HBK of '98 wouldn't have allowed himself to be in the ring with the Jeff Hardy of today, let alone put him over clean (and not the TNA version of clean, which only involves a dozen run-ins and three ref bumps).

"TNA" guys leaving for WWE, in a reverse of 2-3 years ago is interesting, and doesn't bode very well for TNA, as the big appeal for them then was "get a push that you wouldn't get in WWE", which held true for Christian, but Rhino (who didn't leave WWE because he wasn't happy, but because he was fired) hasn't been used consistently by TNA.

They gave him the belt for a taping, and he's mainly just been a mid-carder since then. They have gotten some mileage out of him being a former world champion though, so that ended up being a wise move, especially when you consider that say... Abyss is a former world champion, and they've gotten no mileage out of that after he lost the belt.

[Master Jeremy]

My opinion at No Way Out, that Undertaker might win that SmackDown's and ECW's Elimination Chamber and Edge beats Mysterio again. If this happens, At WrestleMania XXIV, there might be a World Title Match plus Streak vs. Streak.

I bet Undertaker's 15-0 streak will go on to 16-0. :D

[block02]

I thought the internet had gotten over that 'HBK doesn't put over people cause he's a prima donna' thing about a decade ago...

If that's what you were implying.

No not at all. It was just a pleasant surprise is all, and maybe a hint that WWE is ready to groom Jeff as the next guy to carry the company...just my two cents. BTW Jeremy, I loved the Michaels/Hogan feud. HBK's overselling was hysterical and very justified if Hogan did indeed back out of a scheduled rematch because of the "bad knee thing.".....but I still don't think HBK was overselling out of spite(that would be an HBK '98 move); I believe he did it simply because it was entertaining.

[1986]

A few of my no way out predictions and the Wrestlemania matches that will follow.

Either Khali or Batista will win the chamber and go against Edge for the title.

Finlay and MVP will start up a rivalry and fight for the US title at 'mania.

Flair will beat Kennedy and will go against Taker at 'mania, Taker will win and Flair will go out with a bang.

Either Triple H or Umaga will win thier chamber and go against Cena for the title.

Jeff Hardy will build up a rivalry with someone else in the chamber (probably Michaels) ove the IC title at 'mania.

'bout all i can think of.

[Jeremy]

I also loved the Hogan/HBK feud, as it had the best mic work from Shawn in a long time, and he was very edgy with the digs at Hogan as well. I was just saying that the feud did bring back a bit of the Shawn of old, as he had to play politics with Hogan. Shawn overselling everything was a dig at Hogan and a wonderful one, as it made the match an eternally-rewatchable classic, especially the bit boot sell, which I wish was in WWE's games.

[Santos L. Halper]

Rey Mysterio injured during South American tour

Written: February 14, 2008

Rey Mysterio’s quest to regain the World Championship may have suffered a severe setback in Santiago, Chile, on Wednesday night.

The injury occurred during Wednesday’s live event at Arena Santiago, where Mysterio teamed with Kane against Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins. During the tag contest, Rey suffered an apparent injury to his right arm • specifically his bicep. Clearly in pain, the Master of the 619 gutted it out and finished the match, then was quickly examined by WWE athletic trainer Jason Crivello upon leaving the ring.

Mysterio flew back to the United States late Wednesday night, and is currently in Gulf Breeze, Fla., waiting to meet with world-renowned surgeon Dr. James Andrews, who will determine the extent of the injury. Regardless of Dr. Andrews’ findings, Mysterio has his heart set on competing this Sunday night at No Way Out, where he is scheduled to face Edge for the World Championship.

Stay with WWE.com as more updates become available regarding Mysterio’s condition.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I'd like to profess my love of that HBK/Hogan feud. I've got his promo in Montreal during that feud saved on my youtube favourites list. :D

[block02]

Oh Canada Oh how I hate this place
Oh Canada I kicked Hogan right in the face


..fucking brilliant(sorry if it's not verbatim) great follow-up with the Bret return tease as well....too bad they didn't keep HBK heel and instead threw him in a feud with Chris fucking Masters........Michaels is probably my favorite ever(I'm still torn between him and Austin) face or heel, but I prefer him heel. Everything from turning on Janettey to DX and even last year with Cena.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I think it was "I'm gonna kick Hulk Hogan right in the face"

And yeah, everyone but the person/people keeping him as a face realises that he's way more entertaining and beneficial as a heel. I figure that he'll have a heel run into Wrestlemania if this Ric Flair business is true, which is awesome. :D

[block02]

Flair/HBK would be a the way for Flair to go out.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Flair/HBK would be a the way for Flair to go out.

Yes and no. I'm really split on that idea (which if rumors are true is what will happen)

It would be a five- hell a 10 star match and if Flair has to retire i do want his last match to be the best that it can be.

On the other hand, it is not going to do much for HBK's career or standing to retire Ric. I mean HBK is about as established as one can get. I just think that it would benefit a younger heel (preferably Kennedy............................. KENNEDY) to get the win.

[Dr. Horrible]

sadly i think it'll be michaels too, although id prefer kenendy retiring flair and shawn vs jeff hardy in an ic title ladder match but thats wishful thinking

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Shawn vs Jeff in an ladder match would be awesome. Though impossible the ideal ladder match would be the Jeff Hardy of today against the HBK circa Mania X.

From what I've heard they are brining back MIB for mania and I assume Jeff will once again be in it (hopefully winning)

[Santos L. Halper]

Lol.

Rapper Eminem Signed With WWE?

According to MediaTakeOut.com rapper Eminem has secretly signed a deal with WWE and is taking wrestling lessons before getting in to the ring. The article states that he's getting in good shape and should debut in three or four months.

This is a gossip website so take it with a pinch of salt. If anything, it's possible he'll make a few appearances or take part in an angle but I cannot see him being an actual WWE wrestler.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Is HBK capable of being in a singles ladder match with Jeff Hardy these days?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

I dont know. I wanna think that HBK could gut it out and put on the great ladder match with Jeff. And I look at guys that are older than Shawn, Terry Funk and Ric Flair. If Funk can do moonsaults, have barbed wire matches etc at his age, and Flair can wrestle in a TLC match with Edge and a MIB ladder match, I think Michaels should be able to gut out a ladder match with Jeff Hardy.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I guess it's easier to do a moonsault and have a barbed wire match than to fall off a ladder with whatever back condition HBK has. Personally, after reading his autobiography I think he's insane for getting into a ring ever again.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

That could very well be true (it's been a while since I've read HBK's book) Though he did do that huge dive off the ladder at Mania in 06.

Ladder matches dont have to be all high spots (although that is what is expected now a days) The ladder match Shawn had with Scott Hall at Summerslam 95 was more story driven with Hall working over Shawn's leg most of the match.

Basically the match centered around Shawn over coming his kayfabe injury to climb up the ladder and retain his IC title. Yes there were some high impact high spots but it was more about telling the story in the ring than high spots over all.

[block02]

Why does everyone wanna see Kennedy retire Flair? It would be a slap in the face to Flair's legacy for him to be retired by a flash-in-the-pan flavor of the month. It should be Flair's decision as to who retires him and I believe if that were the case, Flair would opt for his last match to be against a close friend of his, such as HBK or Triple H, not the guy whose biggest skill is screaming his name into a microphone.

[Dr Zaius]

Hang on, I thought you like Kennedy, Block??

[block02]

I did....until he moved to Raw, lost momentum, and got busted for steroid use shortly after he vehemently denied ever using them in WWE.

[Nebuchanezzar]

He lost momentum?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

well yeah he did lose some momentum last year. When Taker got injured the original plan was for Kennedy to cash in his MIB to beat Taker for his title. But like the weekend before Kennedy got hurt and was mis-diagnosed. He was first told he'd be out 6-8 months. So they had Edge beat Kennedy for the MIB and then use that to beat Taker. Meanwhile Kennedy gets a second opinon and it turns out that it's a minor injury that will heal in 4-6 weeks( i think that was the timeframe)

So he went from about to win the Heavyweight title to just being thrown in wherever they could fit him. I'd consider that losing momentum

[block02]

He was fine on Smacky when he was a big fish in a relativley small pond. When he moved to Raw, he was put on the same show as Triple H, HBK, Jeff Hardy, Umaga, Cena, Orton and others. He didn't really stand as irreplacable on Raw. But the point I was making was that there would be no justification for Ric Flair's 36 year career being ended by anybody with less than three years' experience, no matter how good that person is.

[Curtis]

Floyd Mayweather broke Big Shows nose tonight. He fucking decked him hard and Big Show looked pissed. Great main event with Hardy kicking out of the first pedigree. HHH to Wrestlemania and Cena won but by DQ therefor Orton is still champ.

[Santos L. Halper]

Is Show's nose actually broken?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

From what I hear YES it is a legit broken nose. Apparently HBK also broke his nose last night in the chamber match.

[Dr. Horrible]

mayweather decked show really good with the first and last shot, that was one of the best segments wwe has shot in years

[shark_vs_gorilla]

just finished watchin this for free on dailymotion (youtube like site that's enough under the radar of big media that copywrite issues are not enforced)

it was a good show for the most part though the ending of the Orton-Cena match had to be the LAMEST dq finish I've ever seen. the RAW chamber stole the show like i expected, that double samoan drop was something else and all 6 men worked their asses off.

I still cant get over how great the big show looks. he's gotta be around 400 or 390ish lbs now. it's just such a shock kinda like seeing Al Roker for the first time after the stomach stapling.

[1986]

Ok so my predictions were waaaaaay off.

Anyone else think the Smackdown chamber was a bit of a joke? Finlay and MVP should never have been in there (Kane and Mark Henry anyone?) They just copped to the fact that Batista and 'Taker were the only real contenders which just made the whole thing a little boring. Though 'Taker is my childhood favourite so I'm glad he won.

Predictions for 'Mania?

[Dr. Horrible]

you are an idiot.

finlay and mvp are the two main reasons besdies edge that smackdown is even remotely watchable

i thought both chambers were awesome and the show/mayweather skit was the best ive seen in wwe for the longest time

[shark_vs_gorilla]

i think he's only 3/4 of an idiot. Mikel you are right that Finlay and MVP bring a TON to smackdown and truley the less we see of Mark Henry the better since he really hasnt improved in what 10 years?

But I would have much rather seen Kane in the chamber than either Kali or those horribly disturbing man titties that Big Daddy V is attached to. I keep hoping they'll make Kane a monster again since he is a better wrestler than V, Henry, and Khali combined but sadly I think it's a fool's dream.

I think the Smackdown chamber was not as good as it could have been (again due to V and Khali) but it was still enjoyable to watch.

btw did anyone else get a kick out of the heat Punk got for trying the triple vertical suplexes?

[Nebuchanezzar]

I would also like to voice support for what Finlay brings to the WWE (not only Smackdown). He's one of the most talented, most entertaining, most over, and most enjoyable guys on the roster. I love his gimmick and he's got it down pat.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

well think it's safe to say that Jeff is winning MITB this year.

[Santos L. Halper]

Flair to be inducted to the HOF 2008. Although he can't wrestle these days, he deserves it.

[Dr. Horrible]

ok im in the minority on this one but i like bdv in the chamber match

but i think henry should have replaced khali, given that they are both managed by striker it would make more sense

[GGG]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f263/masterlouie/Majorscrewup.gif

[Santos L. Halper]

TNA sucks.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

TNA sucks.

I blame Vince Russo.
1) it's easy

2) and it's most likely true :D

[Nebuchanezzar]

Russo was a great writer back in the day.

[block02]

finlay and mvp are the two main reasons besdies edge that smackdown is even remotely watchable

and Undertaker.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

well yeah but Taker isn't always on every week. well i take that back, he's started to show up more frequently lately and now that he's #1 contender he'll definately be on every week.

[1986]

I got nothing against finlay and mvp (though i think they're being vastly over-rated on here). I just think they need to be conditioned more like Jeff to make them believable title contenders. Did anyone really think one of those two was actually going to win the match?

[shark_vs_gorilla]

MVP is an up-and-commer. he has potential but he is also not ready for main event status yet.

Finlay on the other hand is a 20 year veteran who is a great ring technician. Finlay can put on a main event calibur match. Granted he wont be holding the smackdown world title but in terms of his skill I feel he deserves the utmost respect.

[Jeremy]

Russo's fine when he has someone filtering his idea - unfiltered Russo has a tendency to be utter shit and hastens the demise of wrestling promotions.

I just finished watching the third IGF show and it was memorable, not particularly great, but memorable because of the Stan Hansen cameo, and seeing a Vince McMahon birthday video alongside Jesse Ventura, Tiger Mask, and Jeff Jarrett. Booker T vs. Tajiri was pretty decent, and seeing Tomko work an MMA gimmick was interesting.

Finlay's a 30 year vet and I'm glad to see him get such a big role at 'Mania. Whether he faces Vince or JBL, I expect him to have a great match. His comeback in '06 was remarkable - despite age and coming back from nearly losing a leg in WCW, he didn't appear to have lost a step, and worked smarter than ever.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

D'oh you're right Finlay is a 30 yr vet. I'm a theater major math is not my strong suit :D

[Master Jeremy]

It's official.

John Bradshaw Layfield vs. Finlay at WrestleMania 24. :D

And this time, It's personal. :D

[shark_vs_gorilla]

If anyone can make JBL look capable of wrestling a match it's Finlay. I still cant believe Bradshaw fucked up the bulldog at RR :facesmack:

[1986]

How do people see the 'taker Edge match ending? Although Undertaker has his streak, its getting a little predictable. I think its good they have a heel like Edge to defend against him because then 'taker will have to overcome a lot of dirty fighting and cheating which will make for a more tense match in my opinion. Though its still obvious he will probably win.

[block02]

Taker winning is a virtual lock, but if booked properly, Edge may very well be the biggest challenge to Taker's streak since Triple H.

[Dr. Horrible]

taker isn't losing his streak, he was promised a long title reign as a swan song and wasnt able to have it last year because of his injury

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Moving to the Raw title match (since we all know Taker is winning) I've heard that the plan right now is for Trips to take the belt from Orton. I think that's the best decision to make because Cena is at his strongest and gets a better crowd reaction when he is chasing the belt as opposed to when he has it.

[Dr. Horrible]

i would love jeff to cash in the mtib right after trips wins it and take the belt

[shark_vs_gorilla]

While I would love to see Jeff win the title I dont think that will happen. I DO think he will win MITB but I figure he will announce his match like RVD did since he's a face. It's only a matter of time though before Jeff wins the belt. Vince is not going to let just anyone get clean victories over both Trips AND HBK without having big plans for them.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Moving to the Raw title match (since we all know Taker is winning) I've heard that the plan right now is for Trips to take the belt from Orton. I think that's the best decision to make because Cena is at his strongest and gets a better crowd reaction when he is chasing the belt as opposed to when he has it.

Only (potential) problem there is that Cena is loathed compared to Triple H. They love that guy. Of course, that assumes that Cena being booed is indeed a problem.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

yeah that's what I meant. I dont think it's so much that half the fans hate Cena. They just hate Cena with the title. It could also be assumed that Trips makes a heel turn and frankly Raw could really use a strong heel.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Like Cena?

[Dr. Horrible]

no people jsut boo cena because its what the cool kids do

i was at the rumble, when cena came out everyone in that place was cheering then it was like half the guys were like "oh wait...i cant let these people seeing me cheer a face with these 5 year old kids............fuck you cena!!"

[1986]

I really like Cena, and Triple H, so either of those winning wouldn't bother me, I think Orton is a boring champion.

I think HHH should win though, and he probably will.

I, for one though don't see Jeff as much as a sure thing as everyone else seems to, I think because hes kind of a title contender now, he doesn't need the MITB to get him a shot, maybe this is out there a bit but I wouldn't be suprised to see Carlito win or something.

[Jeremy]

I would be astounded in Carlito, who is presently starring a 'Mania ad where he's shit on by a bird, wins Money in the Bank. He's getting a token slot in the match, and will probably have a few highlight reel-ish spots in it, but I don't expect him to win.

By the way, for folks with ESPN Classic, AWA tapes are airing on the channel at 1 AM EST Tuesday-Saturday mornings.

[Nebuchanezzar]

no people jsut boo cena because its what the cool kids do

i was at the rumble, when cena came out everyone in that place was cheering then it was like half the guys were like "oh wait...i cant let these people seeing me cheer a face with these 5 year old kids............fuck you cena!!"

yes i'm sure...

[1986]

I would be astounded in Carlito, who is presently starring a 'Mania ad where he's shit on by a bird, wins Money in the Bank. He's getting a token slot in the match, and will probably have a few highlight reel-ish spots in it, but I don't expect him to win.
Hmm I haven't seen this ad, but your probably right.

[shark_vs_gorilla]

Oh Fuck:

In accordance with its Substance Abuse and Drug Testing Policy, WWE has suspended Jeff Hardy for 60 days, for his second violation of the company’s policy.

I feel soo bad for this kid. He was right at the top too :(

[Dr. Horrible]

why do you feel bad for him?

he is the one who fucked up whatever chance he had at not only winning money in the banmk this year but maybe fucked up his title chances for the rest of 08

so money in the bank looks almost wide open now....i'm guessing kennedy or maybe if punk gets in he can use it for the ecw title

[shark_vs_gorilla]

why do you feel bad for him?

he is the one who fucked up whatever chance he had at not only winning money in the banmk this year but maybe fucked up his title chances for the rest of 08

so money in the bank looks almost wide open now....i'm guessing kennedy or maybe if punk gets in he can use it for the ecw title

I'm fully aware that Jeff IS ultimately responsible for his actions. I just think it's sad that he hasnt been able to kick the habit. i guess i'm more dissapointed or saddened by the situation of someone with all that potential making poor choices that put his future in jeapordy.

[1986]

Yeah looking at the money in the bank none of those look like interesting possibilities to win, hopefully the gaps will be filled with someone good.

[Dr. Horrible]

you must be a horrible wrestling fan if you dont think a match with shelton carlito kennedy mvp and jericho for a title shot doesnt look interesting

[1986]

Its interesting, in the sense that none of those have been champ other than Jericho (I don't think), but I don't like any of those enough to give a shit about the outcome.

[block02]

Hopefully Morrison and Miz will lose the tag titles tonight so Morrison could get in MITB and Miz can go back to jobbing.



EDIT *SPOILERS*:















Wow talk about coincidence: right after I posted this I read that at the Smackdown taping tonight Morrison defeated Miz to qualify for MITB. There is a God......looks like Punk gets the other spot tonight by beating Big Daddy V via count-out.

[Jeremy]

The AWA is on ESPN Classic at 1 AM from Tuesday morning to Saturday morning. It is quite awesome, and I've fallen in love with Larry Zbysko's stalling, interrupting poor Larry Nelson at every possible opportunity, and hearing Stan Hansen cut fabulous promos.

[block02]

Man Jeff has had a shit week:

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=207613311

[Dr Zaius]

Man, that sucks for him. Wonder if was some fan pissed off over him being suspended.

[Dr. Horrible]

i truly love new york city

guess who i ran into at 230 am in a bagel shop?

http://a204.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/110/l_9244b766655dfddee57638f7a3599bab.jpg

[Curtis]

Holy shit that's awesome. Heyman is one of the greatest minds in wrestling. (And one of the last)

[Nebuchanezzar]

Haha, that must have been awesome.

Did you get a chance to chat about anything or was it a quick affair?

[Dr. Horrible]

yeah we got to chat about the old ecw for a little bit he was a really cool guy, even paid for my bagel lol

[Jeremy]

I hope he didn't pay with a check.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Wow! You didn't eat the bagel did you? I would have framed it and put it on my wall or something.

[Jeremy]

There's a Herb Abrams-run UWF marathon on ESPN Classic right now. It started at 1 PM EST, and will run until 8 PM. These shows are largely horrid, but do have some good Orndorff vs. Dr. Death stuff, and are amusing in a Plan 9-esque way, especially when they use shows from the promotion's dying days, which were run out of a high school gym and feature Adam Bomb swinging a giant axe, and John Tolos making absurd remarks every single second on commentary.

The original tapings are far better, and just have Herb Abrams yelling so often that he makes TNA's announce team sound subdued, and he screams over everyone who had any minor star power in the WWF. Also, Orndorff comes out to "You Can't Touch This".

[Niko Vance]

i truly love new york city

guess who i ran into at 230 am in a bagel shop?

http://a204.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/110/l_9244b766655dfddee57638f7a3599bab.jpg


damn,your one lucky guy!


did anyone watch raw this week? awesome build up for wrestlemania.

[Mr Johannson]

did anyone watch raw this week? awesome build up for wrestlemania.

I think the build for 'Mania has been pretty disappointing (although the Flair/HBK segment was good this week). Still, that won't stop me from watching it.

[block02]

Time for Mania predictions it looks like. Looking forward to the names Mikel gives for everybody this year(you're a lucky bastard btw)

Money in the Bank: This could potentially be the best one yet. Benjamin and Morrison alone could make this MotY-if WWE books them correctly. Out of all the previous MITBs, its got the most who have absolutely no chance in hell of winning it(Morrison, Benjamin, and Carlito) yet it's still fairly unpredictable. I doubt Kennedy will take it because two consecutive wins in the same match would be too repetitive. Punk recently lost a feud over the ECW title, so no way is he winning it. That leaves MVP and Jericho. Both guys have been booked very strongly coming into the match, but I'll go with Jericho for no other reason than simply because the pattern for MITB winners has been heel-face-heel.

Bunnymaina: Well, Mickie gets screwed out of a Mania match again. This may very well be even worse than the clusterfuck that was last year's Women's match. Maria and Ashely will win it.

ECW Title: Apparently the battle royal will air before Mania on wwe.com. Whoever wins the royal (I'm picking Kane) will win the title.

Belfast Brawl: Ridiculous story aside, this should be a fun one. Two stiff brawling veterans in a no dq match. I'm picking the Irishman to win it(gotta back my roots).

RAW vs Smackdown: The match has no heat whatsoever, but it should be pretty good nonetheless. Since it seems faces will be winning virtually every match here, I'm picking Youmanga(sorry I love this pronunciation) to win over Batty.

Mayweather vs Show: I'm glad Show's back but why did he have to get thrown in this ridiculous match? Money will fulfill his proclamation(remind me again......something about how he broke Show's nose and was then....gonna break......his jaw?) Show is rumored to enter a feud with Taker for the world title shortly after, but how can he be perceived as a threat when Mayweather wins this match? Good thing I'm not a booker.

Flair vs Michaels: Flair is one of the greatest ever, but the way he's been booked recently is fucking atrocious. There is no excuse for having a 59 year old man beat the WWE champion twice(once by submission) the U.S. Champion, one of the challengers in the main event, and God knows who else he's beat since the retirement angle was announced. With that said, I'm really looking forward to this one. It seems HBK will be playing heel, which should be great just to watch him oversell Flair. Flair will lose the match and his career will end, but don't be surprised if he returns in a managerial capacity.

World Title: I love how strongly Edge has looked coming into the match. With his cronies, he's being perceived as probably the biggest threat to Taker's streak since Triple H. I've wanted to see this match for over two years, and I doubt Edge and Taker will disappoint. Taker will win back the title and hopefully stay injury-free so he can get a long title run this year.

WWE Title: Triple Treats are usually a blast, and this one will likely be one as well. Orton's losing the title no question, but it's hard to pick who will win it. Both Trips and Cena have a revenge story to play out and it won't make sense for one to have been in the match when the other wins it. I'm picking Cena to win it simply because he is the company's top babyface and he failed to regain the title at the last PPV. Repeating this would be a very poor business decision.

[Mr Johannson]

Money in the Bank:MVP to win. In my opinion, this is the best MITB line-up since the original, with every participant (minus MVP) being in at least one ladder match. Should be awesome as usual.

Bunnymaina: Maria and Ashely win despite Santino interference.

ECW Title: Kane will win the battle royal, but not the title match. I'm slightly disappointed that the battle royal won't be on the pay-per-view, as it would have been a good spot to showcase those who would otherwise never get a Mania match (Noble, Burke, Kendrick etc)


Belfast Brawl: Ridiculous story aside, this should be a fun one. Two stiff brawling veterans in a no dq match.
This should be good. Finlay with Hornswoggle interference.

RAW vs Smackdown: This could have had a much better build up, but should be decent none the less. Umaga wins.

Mayweather vs Show: This could be very interesting, but I just can't see the special celebrity guest losing. Mayweather wins.

Flair vs Michaels: In my opinion this could be MOTN. HBK wins.

World Title: Though it will be cool to see Edge in the (or a) main event, Taker will get the title run he deserved last year. 16-0

WWE Title: The only way this match will go, is either Trips or Cena winning. And for Triple H to win, that means Cena will lose. And that's just not gonna happen. Cena Wins.


All in all looks like a good card. Bunnymania is the only match that I think looks "bad".

[Dr. Horrible]

And now here is Mike's Super Happy Fun Time Wrestlemania Predictions!!!

First off the Money in the Bank match

I see the Lion King of the World going over Moist Vagina Player, Last Name Squared, Black Gold, Fake Doors, Competition Addict, and Spit-lit-fro

I also see Little May knocking out Captain Insano

I'm predicting that Ditz and Assley will go over Splitty McTits and Molly Victoriachon

The 40 Year Old Animal will make mince meat of You-Mang-Guh

I see Horny Papa and Lil' Swag beating up JB Wallstreet and Da Boss

I also see the Hair Piece Kid retiring Old "Whooooooooooooo"er

Now for the title matches

I see Jacob Goodnight going over Marble Mouth, American Gay Ass, Yung Redneck, Nidia's Ex, Living Room Dream, Large Father Five, Chikara Delaney, Thurman, 4-Up, Rapist, Caskeyback, and the rest of the Barely Good Enough for Mania All Stars.....and then going on to beat Not Eddie for the Tuesday Night Title

I see The Understreaker going over Mr. Vicky for the "Triple H" title

And in the Main Event I have King McVesque going over RK-No and "Mr. 12 Round" Marine Triton for the Big Non-Spinning but Still Spinning Belt

[Jeremy]

WM predictions -
Bunny Mania - faces win
MITB - MVP is my main pick, with Kennedy as a secondary one
ECW title battle royal/match - Kane to win both
Show-Mayweather - Mayweather to win, as he's obviously not going to lose in a worked match. Show was smart to take this match, as it's by far the highest-profile thing he's ever been in, and could be okay, as they'll have as many gimmick as they need to make this...not a disaster.
HHH/Orton/Cena - HHH gets another title win, Cena's WM winning streak gets killed, nixing a possible future streak vs. streak match against 'Taker for the sake of HUN-TOR THE CONQUEROR winning again.
Edge/Taker - 'Taker's not losing the streak in a shittily-built feud like this. 'Taker wins and gets revenge on Edge for costing him the world title in May of '07.
Finlay/JBL - Tough call here, but I'll go with Finlay getting the win since he's a face.
Batista/Umaga - Batista wins this horribly-built battle for "brand supremacy"
Michaels/Flair - Flair goes down in the center of the ring to Sweet Chin Music. I wouldn't mind a Flair win leading to him stating that he can't have a match better than this, so he'll go out on top. No matter what they do, I expect the celebration to be epic. If they pull a TNA and cut TO THE BACK! immediately after the match ends, I'll be pissed.

[1986]

Bunnymania - who cares
MITB - mvp
ecw title- im agreeing with kane but i wouldnt count out mark henry either. I imagine Chavo will lose to either one of them though.
show/mayweather - like the "hair vs hair" match they will give the gimmick victory to the outsider.
batista/umaga - like already mentioned a few times its a poorly built match, so i imagine the face will win.
micheals/flair - im going to throw a new idea into the bag (if its not new then cut me down) but i think flair might win the match, then announce his retirement then and there. which would mean he'd go out with more of a bang. then him and micheals will hug or something to the massive roar of the audience.
taker/edge - taker, though i think there will be a lot of interference and things for him to overcome which could make the match a goodun.
triple threat - triple h, i thin k the consensus is its about time he had the title again,

[1986]

.....and i think jbl will beat finlay.

[block02]

Here are the results:

-JBL def. Finlay
-CM Punk won Money in the Bank
-Beth and Melina def Maria and Ashley
-Kane def Chavo
-HBK def Flair
-Orton retained the title
-Mayweather def Show
-Undertaker def Edge

[Dr. Horrible]

so thoughts on mania kids?

i personally though this was the best one i had seen in a long time, probably since 20

only batista/umaga and the divas match were really clunkers but i thought everyone else really stepped up their game and flair/michaels was a clinic in how to tell a story through physicality and emotion

[Mr Johannson]

Great show. Batista/Umaga was a disappointment. Cool to see Kane as a world champ again (even if it is ECW), MITB was awesome, and the ending to Flair/HBK ruled.
My predictions were way off. 3-6. Did anyone actually think Orton would win?

[Dr. Horrible]

right after orton won i was waiting to hear cm punk's music and for him to come down with that briefcase......but alas that would have been too creative on wwe's part, smart money says we have our main event for one night stand though

also the brothers of destruction are both world champions....anyone think this would ever happen?

[Mr Johannson]

also the brothers of destruction are both world champions....anyone think this would ever happen?
Nope. But I'm happy it did.

FUN FACTS:
This is the first time since Wrestlemania 16 that the Royal Rumble winner lost their championship match.
The third year in a row the royal rumble winner was NOT in the final match.
HHH has not won a championship match at 'Mania since Wrstlemania XIX
Since it's creation, the winners of MITB have been Heel,Face,Heel,Face

[block02]

Wow what an ending to Raw last night.

[Dr Zaius]

that was amazing. i don't even care for flair that much, i mean i got into wrestling at a time when he was already like 50, but wow, that was really something.

[Mr Johannson]

Yeah, I was never a huge Flair fan, but wow. Awesome show.

[Niko Vance]

I still don't get why Cena came in the ring >.> but undertaker didn't...


and yes wrestlemania & raw have been fuckin awesome this week,i only picked 4/9 matches right,so glad Kane is a champion again and taker kept his streak and im glad that orton remains champion till backlash,and chavo getting squashed was the funniest shit ever,and i actually picked JBL to beat Finlay,and the floyd/show match was good too...batista/umaga,divas match was meh,and batista botched the batista bomb again... and im not happy that punk won the mitb,but meh it don't worry too much,hopefully ecw & smackdown can match wrestlemania & raw's awesomeness for a great week in wrestling.

[Mr Johannson]

I still don't get why Cena came in the ring >.> but undertaker didn't...

After the show went off the air, Taker and Vince came out as well. I don't know what exactly Cena has to do with Flair, but who cares?

[1986]

I guess it would have broken Takers character somewhat if he came out on the air.

[Dr Zaius]

I was surprised to see Jericho come out individually.

[block02]

Triple H is champ again....*waits for mandatory bitching about his politicking ways*

[Matt B.]

Its better than having Cena as champion

[Mr Johannson]

I don't really care. Maybe It's just cause I didn't like his World title runs. I'm getting sick of HHH, Orton and Cena in the main event all the time.

[Dr. Horrible]

Cena should go to Smackdown

[Mr Johannson]

They really need to have another draft or something soon, shake up the rosters a bit.

[Jeremy]

The rosters don't really need shaking up - everyone can wrestle on any other show - the only thing that really differentiates the brands are the individual belts, which I'm mostly fine with.

[block02]

Wow this thread is more dead than my romantic life.

So for those who saw it, how was Judgment Day last night? Reports I've read seem to indicate that it was a meh show, but I'm wondering if anybody here thought otherwise.

[Niko Vance]

for the guys about the draft,there's gonna be one in mid june.

your right it was meh show,HBK/Jericho was a good match so was MVP/Jeff Hardy,HHH/Orton was pretty ordinary and taker/edge jeez don't even get me started on that all i can say is Vickie is a bitch,the tag match was pretty good too,the women's title match was alright but not great,it was the most boring/ordinary wwe ppv of this year though.

here's the card for ONS so far:

Last Man Standing WWE Title Match
Triple H vs. Randy Orton

First Blood Match
JBL vs. John Cena

Stretcher Match
Batista vs. Shawn Michaels

Falls Count Anywhere Match
Umaga vs. Jeff Hardy

5-Man Singapore Cane Match
CM Punk vs. John Morrison vs. Chavo Guerrero vs. Tommy Dreamer vs. Big Show


it's looking like an ok ppv,will be interesting to see who wins the singapore cane match

[Mr Johannson]

The winner of the Singapore Cane Match fights Kane at Night Of Champions, not at ONS.
I like the "all matches extreme rules" stipulation. Makes this PPV seem a bit different to all the others.

[I-CloWn-I]

1998-2000 best era

[Mr Johannson]

Well, another draft is officially coming up. Who do you want/think will be traded?

[block02]

I'm pretty sure Umaga's going to Smacky to feud with 'Taker, which should be effing sweet.....anybody else hyped for ONS?(which happens to be on my birthday) Every match has an interesting stip and it has the potential to be the best ONS since the first one in '05.

[Mr Johannson]

Even though the "if Taker loses he leaves WWE" stipulation makes it seem obvious that he will win, I still think Edge can win it. Taker will be brought back again anyway.

[Niko Vance]

sorry about the earlier mistake,the site i got it from screwed it up.


anyway,i think Jeff,Umaga & CM Punk will get drafted to SD,i think jericho will to as long as he loses the IC title sometime between now and the draft cause SD is gonna need some star power i just read Batista is taking time off soon which he will be joining edge aswell


and i got a feeling MVP is coming to raw cause he has done all he can do on SD

[Mr Johannson]

While there is fresh opponents on Raw for MVP, and a possible IC title reign, I'm still afraid he'd be lost in the shuffle and/or jobbing to HHH and Cena all the time.

Draft Predictions:
Jericho, Umaga, Carlito and CM Punk to SmackDown!
Big Show and Santino to ECW
Batista, MVP, John Morrison and the Miz to RAW

And a smaller online draft like last year to shift around smaller guys (London and Kendrick, Natalya, Charlie Haas)

[Niko Vance]

I hope show doesn't go to ecw,he deserves more then that,besides he supposed to be feuding with taker later this year,i also hope Lance Cade gets drafted to SD

[Mr Johannson]

Yeah, Cade should move somewhere. He needs to establish himself as a singles guy somewhere.

[1986]

Well Taker lost, his title reigns always seem to last five minutes.

If he doesn't return under some stipulation this week i imagine itll be a few months off then maybe back as the american bad ass.

[Mr Johannson]

He'll be back eventually. And so much for a lengthy title run. But I'm an Edge fan so I'm happy. Wish I saw ONS after reading about the TLC match. I was surprised Taker actually did that spot at the end.

[Niko Vance]

anyway in australia should check out ecw at 3:30pm cause Matt Sydal is making his debut in wwecw

[Mr Johannson]

I don't really know anything about Sydal's career, except that he has a developmental contract. His match was good (for a squash). That move he did off the top rope was cool.