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sonic watermellon

06-25-2007, 06:32 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2916498
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

Wrestler, family dead
Bodies of Benoit, wife and son discovered in Ga. home
Posted: Monday June 25, 2007 9:24PM; Updated: Monday June 25, 2007 10:06PM

The Fayette County (Ga.) Sheriff's Department said they are investigating the death of Chris Benoit and his family as a homicide.
AP

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- WWE wrestler Chris Benoit, his wife and son were found dead Monday and police said they were investigating the deaths as a homicide.

Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department said the three were found at their home about 2:30 p.m., but refused to release details.

Pope said results of autopsies on Benoit, his wife Nancy, and 7-year-old son Daniel were expected Tuesday.

Benoit, 40, was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles over his career.

"WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy," the federation said in a statement on its Web site.

Benoit was scheduled to perform at the "Vengeance" pay-per-view event Sunday night in Houston, but was replaced at the last minute because of what announcer Jim Ross called "personal reasons."

Benoit, a Canadian native, maintained a home in metro Atlanta from the time he wrestled for the defunct World Championship Wrestling.

The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, and USA Network aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit in place of the scheduled wrestling telecast.

sonic watermellon

06-25-2007, 06:44 PM

i stopped liking wrestling about the time of the name change, but i still read about what was up and what was happening, but in the last few years i have been morbidly appalled over the amount of wrestlers current and former who were dying young, from miss elizabeth, to hawk, and all those guys from the 80s, and then the ones who were still in their prime like Guerrero, Pillman, and Hart (the latter two were two of my favorites back in the early 90s)

the mortality rate of these wrestlers is just shocking, what is most shocking is that jake the snake is still alive, just at a loss for words for so many lost lives in the recent years, and i place immense spite onto the shoes of vince for this lifestyle of steroids and high risk stunts that have crippled and killed so many

Curtis

06-25-2007, 07:12 PM

The following is from ABCNews.com:

Wrestling star Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and their 7-year-old son Daniel were found dead in their suburban Atlanta home Monday. The deaths are being investigated as a possible suicide and double homicide, authorities told ABC News.

Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department told ABC News that Benoit had missed several appointments over the weekend, leading concerned parties to ask police to do a "welfare check." When sheriffs arrived at the Benoits' home, they found the wrestler, his wife, and their son dead.

There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation, or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."

Pope said "the instruments of death were located on scene," but would not specify what those instruments are or where in the house the bodies were found. Pope added the department is "not actively searching for any suspects outside of the house."

An autopsy has been scheduled for Tuesday morning at 10 a.m. However, it could be weeks before there is a result.

Benoit, 40, was scheduled to spar against C.M. Punk in a pay-per-view event Sunday night in Houston for the Extreme Champion Wrestling title. But Benoit canceled before the event, citing personal reasons.

A native of Edmonton, Alberta, Benoit was known in the ring as the "Canadian Crippler."

Following the announcement of the deaths, World Wrestling Entertainment issued a statement: "Chris was beloved among his fellow superstars, and was a favorite among WWE fans for his unbelievable athleticism and wrestling ability. He always took great pride in his performance, and always showed respect for the business he loved, for his peers and towards his fans. This is a terrible tragedy and an unbearable loss. WWE extends its sincere condolences and prayers to the Benoit family and loved ones in this time of tragedy."

WWE announced that it would drop its planned Monday night line-up on the USA Network to air a three-hour tribute to Benoit.

In a sport known for bravado and bullying, Benoit was very much beloved and respected by his peers. He was passionate about his profession and served as a mentor to many younger, up-and-coming performers. As an indication of how much the fans enjoyed him, when the crowd in Houston's Toyota Center learned Sunday night that he wouldn't be there, they chanted, "We want Benoit!"

I do not think Chris Benoit could ever do that to his family. It is so far fetched. But god I hope it wasn't like that

Mira

06-25-2007, 07:14 PM

I haven't watched wrestling consistently since about 2002, and Chris Benoit was one of the very few reasons I ever bothered to check in every now and then. Crash Holly, Eddy Guerrero, and now this? This just seems to happen far to frequently and I really can't stand it. It's like in another 2 years someone else who I think is just incredible and have watched for years will be gone. Just, fucking horrible news.

Curtis

06-25-2007, 07:40 PM

This is taking an even worse turn...

Investigators are saying it WAS a double murder suicide. With no gun/knife how could Nancy or the 7 year old take out Benoit. Fox News is reporting Benoit did it. Then again its fox news. But I hope Benoit didn't. This is horrible

Curtis

06-25-2007, 07:46 PM

Dave Meltzer (Wrestling insider) is reporting that the son and his wife were killed over the weekend. While Benoit died earlier today. Holy shit, this is bad.

Nebuchanezzar

06-25-2007, 07:50 PM

Unexpected too. I don't read any wrestling dirtsheets anymore. Was there anything on Benoit prior to any of this?

Curtis

06-25-2007, 08:01 PM

Nothing, thats why this is so shocking.

From the Torch:

The latest report from the AP includes information told to the FOX affiliate in Atlanta that investigators believe Chris Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, and son, Daniel, sometime over the weekend before returning home and killing himself on Monday.

Matt B.

06-25-2007, 08:10 PM

I hope thats not true

pat

06-25-2007, 08:18 PM

was a benoit fan since his wcw days. and although i haven't been a fan of wrestling for a few years now, this is still a shock to hear about and just terrible news. bummer :(

robb

06-25-2007, 08:27 PM

if the whole double murder/suicide thing is true, then fuck him.

Larson Something

06-25-2007, 08:59 PM

The bizarre irony about this is that, just after the whole fake "federal investigator" thing, there might be actual investigators interviewing guys in the locker room in the coming weeks. If this does turn out to be murder, this could be the story that brings the negative spotlight that all the deaths in the past few years somehow haven't. Guys dropping dead all of a sudden can be written off as "they're just juiced-up freaks in a fake sport, so who cares?" But when a guy who seemed to be liked and respected by all he came in contact with suddenly kills not only himself, but his wife and 7-year-old son, there will be questions. Was he on drugs? Was it "'roid rage"? Was he having psychological problems? Suffering from depression? And if the answer to any of these questions is "yes," what did WWE know about it, and what, if anything, did they do to help him? This is a horrible tragedy in and of itself, but it's also something that could have repercussions for months.

StrideR

06-25-2007, 09:03 PM

Well, shiit...

Curtis

06-25-2007, 09:07 PM

Police are saying he killed his wife Saturday, son Sunday and himself today. I don't care how good Benoit is, or that he was among my favorite wrestlers of all times. FUCK HIM.

EDIT: A quote from the Atlanta Journal Constitution I found interesting:

"The details, when they come out," said Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard, "are going to prove a little bizarre."

Dr. Horrible

06-25-2007, 09:24 PM

im not going to say anything until the speculation is cleared up....i'm really hoping these accusations are false but the initial reports dont look good at all

kuumuus

06-25-2007, 09:25 PM

i take back my RIP if this is true. fucking terrible.

...

so is it too soon to make a death by crippler crossface joke?

Curtis

06-25-2007, 09:31 PM

This is from WWE.com

According to lead investigator Lt. Tommy Pope, of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department, in Fayetteville, Ga., the deaths of WWE Superstar Chris Benoit, wife Nancy and son Daniel were the result of a double murder-suicide, WWE.com has learned.

Benoit failed to appear both at Saturday’s live event in Beaumont, Tx., and WWE’s Vengeance: Night of Champions in Houston Sunday night, after informing WWE of a family emergency. Several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning prompted concerned friends to alert Richard Hering, VP of Government Relations for WWE, Inc. Hering, in turn, spoke with Fayette County sheriffs Monday, and requested that they respond to the Benoit residence to check on him and his family.

Authorities representing the Sheriff’s Department initially had a difficult time entering Benoit’s new Fayetteville home Monday afternoon, which had been guarded by two large German Shepherds roaming freely around the property. Once authorities entered the residence, they quickly located the bodies of Benoit, Nancy and Daniel. WWE was notified of the discovery at approximately 4 p.m.

At 10 p.m. Monday night, Lt. Pope held a press conference in conjunction with Scott Ballard, the district attorney for Fayette County. The press conference officially ruled authorities’ findings as a double murder-suicide from within the home.

WAGA, a FOX-owned and operated television station in Atlanta, reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and 7-year-old son over the weekend, then himself on Monday.

The three bodies have been received by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s crime lab, in Decatur, Ga., where autopsies will be performed Tuesday morning. Toxicology reports will not become available for at least two weeks.

WWE.com has further information relating to both the investigation and the cause of death, but the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department has requested that WWE.com not release any additional details at this time.

The weird texts were sent on Sunday morning. Why the fuck did it take till Monday to report it to the police. Not only that, but this shows that WWE had knowledge Benoit was acting peculiar which was reason to suspect he could have been involved with the murders yet they go ahead with the tribute show.

Nebuchanezzar

06-25-2007, 09:46 PM

I think that it's a bit much for people to be making sweeping statements along the lines of "fuck him!", as it completely ignores almost everything that would have built to such an action. If it's true, then I'm pretty damn sure that there would have had to have been a massive turn of events, brought on by something out of the ordinary to cause this to happen. I'm not the biggest fan or expert on Benoit, but for the near decade that I've been watching wrestling I've seen nothing to suggest that he's the type of person who could have engaged in this type of behaviour. Wrestlers who commonly refer to Benoit as one of the best seem to only confirm this. There would have had to have been something big to turn him into a killer (and even then, we don't have any evidence at this time).

So I guess my message to people, before they make comments to quickly, is to think before you say. That's all.

Curtis

06-25-2007, 09:54 PM

Wade Keller is reporting that:

-Benoit suffocated Nancy on Saturday

-Then he suffocated Daniel on Sunday morning

-Benoit then thought about on Monday and hung himself.

-Benoit and Nancy had been having violent altercations as of late

-Chris sent several crpytic messages to a "friend" in the WWE on Sunday night and this friend told officials to check on Benoit. They called the cops and that is where they found the Benoits.

Andy

06-25-2007, 09:59 PM

what the hell, chris.

what the hell.

:(

Mike

06-25-2007, 10:06 PM

jeez i hope thats not true

thecapecoddah

06-26-2007, 08:20 AM

yet they go ahead with the tribute show.

what should they have done? they were paying respects to chris benoit the wrestler... no one was giving him a humanitarian award.

they didn't have conclusive details on what happened, and there was no way the wrestlers could've performed hours after finding out that their friend is dead. I don't think USA would've appreciated a last-minute call from vince mcmahon saying they need to fill three hours because he has no show. based on what people knew last night, it was handled 100% correctly.

D DEBBS

06-26-2007, 08:37 AM

Saw RAW last night: :(

sonic watermellon

06-26-2007, 10:04 AM

Wrestler, family dead
Bodies of Benoit, wife and son discovered in Ga. home
Posted: Monday June 25, 2007 9:24PM; Updated: Tuesday June 26, 2007 12:53PM

Chris Benoit was scheduled to perform at a pay-per-view event Sunday but backed out because of reported "personal reasons."
AP
ATLANTA (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room, a law enforcement official close to the investigation told The Associated Press Tuesday.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Authorities also said they are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths of Benoit, his wife and their 7-year-old son who were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide.

Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard said test results may not be back for weeks or even months.

Autopsies were scheduled Tuesday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation in DeKalb County.

Investigators believe Benoit (pronounced ben-WAH) killed his wife, 43-year-old Nancy, and son Daniel during the weekend and then himself Monday. The bodies were found Monday afternoon in three separate rooms of the house, off a gravel road about two miles from the Whitewater Country Club.

Fayette County Coroner C.J. Mowell did not return calls seeking comment. The answering service for his funeral home said he was out of town.

Authorities also declined to say whether drugs or steroids were found inside the house. "We're not releasing any information as far as what was located inside the house," sheriff's Sgt. Keith Whiteside said Tuesday.

Asked about the condition of the interior of the house, Whiteside said investigators found "nothing really out of the ordinary." He said Benoit was found in the home's weight room, his wife in an office and the son in an upstairs bedroom.

Whiteside said toxicology tests could take up to a week or longer to complete.

Neighbors said the Benoits led a low-key lifestyle.

"They were nice," said Lorre Jones, who lives across the street. Her daughter Alaina said: "We would see Chris walking in his yard from time to time. He wasn't rude, but he wasn't really outwardly warm."

Jimmy Baswell, who was Benoit's driver for more than five years, placed a white wreath at the Benoits' gate Tuesday.

"I saw him with his family all the time," said Baswell. "They always seemed like they were the happiest people."

World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning."

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., said it had been asked by authorities not to release further information on the deaths.

Benoit, born in Montreal, was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles. His names in the ring included "The Canadian Crippler."

"WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy," the company said in a statement on its Web site.

Benoit had maintained a home in metro Atlanta from the time he wrestled for the defunct World Championship Wrestling. The Fayette County Tax Assessors Office lists the value of the house, situated on more than 8.5 acres, at nearly $900,000.

The WWE canceled its live Monday Night RAW card in Corpus Christi, Texas, and USA Network aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit in place of the scheduled wrestling telecast.

Benoit's wife managed several wrestlers and went by the stage name "Woman." They met when her then-husband drew up a script that had them involved in a relationship as part of a story line on World Championship Wrestling, the newspaper said.

Benoit has two other children from a prior relationship.

Benoit became a standout at an early age among wrestling prospects who trained in the dungeon basement of the house where fellow Canadians and professional wrestlers Owen and Bret Hart trained. Owen Hart was killed during a wrestling event in 1999.

"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said Bret Hart, a five-time champion with the World Wrestling Federation. The federation has since changed its name to World Wrestling Entertainment.

Ndamukong Mike

06-26-2007, 11:03 AM

Come back from vacation and this is what I see..... and thats fucked up......all that comes to mind.

robb

06-26-2007, 12:14 PM

what should they have done? they were paying respects to chris benoit the wrestler... no one was giving him a humanitarian award.

they didn't have conclusive details on what happened, and there was no way the wrestlers could've performed hours after finding out that their friend is dead. I don't think USA would've appreciated a last-minute call from vince mcmahon saying they need to fill three hours because he has no show. based on what people knew last night, it was handled 100% correctly.

they could've just ran jurassic park or something

pat

06-26-2007, 12:20 PM

ok, forget what i said about it being a bummer. still terrible to hear about obviously, but jesus. what the fuck.

thecapecoddah

06-26-2007, 12:35 PM

hmm, you always hear the term "roid rage" jokingly talked about in regards to steroids and sports (entertainment), but I don't recall "roid rage" ever being linked to a murder... my mind's drawing a blank anyway.

any examples of that happening in the past? famous athletes, collegiate guys using 'roids, whoever.

EDIT: more news being revealed as we speak

"Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself by the pulley of a weightlifting machine, authorities said Tuesday.

Authorities are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths of Chris Benoit, above, his wife and child.

Investigators also found prescription anabolic steroids in the house, Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department. He would not comment on Benoit's state of mind or possible motive.

Autopsies showed all three died of asphyxiation, Pope said."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

Curtis

06-26-2007, 01:15 PM

According to Pro Wrestling Torch: He added: "We have reason to believe he was a steroid user." He said steroids were present in the home. "With a doctor's prescription - you bet - but they were there." He discussed the situation with reporter Trace Gallagher regarding "roid rage." He wondered how long it can go on and how long it can last. "We're look at three separate incidents of roid rage over the course of three days," said the reporter. Dr. Steven Garner was interviewed. He said roid rage can cause such incidents. He said there are very few documented cases, but there are strange stories related to steroids. He said, "There people develop psychosis and that's a total break with reality. They don't know what they're doing. They halucinate. They don't know what they're doing. They hear voices in their heads telling them to kill people." He explained that once a user get off steroids, his testicles cannot return to producing testosterone at a normal level and depression can result - leading to suicide with teenagers.

Fuck you Chris Benoit

http://allhiphop.com/users/avatar.aspx?userid=270518

robb

06-26-2007, 01:42 PM

what a sick fuck

thecapecoddah

06-26-2007, 01:50 PM

ok I'm doing my own 'roid rage research. this is from wikipedia:

One of the most common misconceptions regarding the side effects of anabolic steroids is known as ‘roid rage’. There seems to be little or no evidence such a condition actually exists. Some early studies done have shown a slight correlation between manic symptoms and anabolic steroid use,[66] however more comprehensive and recent studies have brought into question their methodology and conclusions. The majority of recent studies done on "angry behavior" and anabolic steroid use show no psychological effect, implying that either "roid rage" does not exist or that anabolic steroids' effects on aggression are too small to be measured. Harvard researcher Harrison Pope, M.D. stated “With regard to the ‘roid rage’ issue, my first reaction as a scientist, obviously, is that ‘roid rage’ is a meaningless term that simply arose in popular parlance”. Many scientists and medical professionals have concluded anabolic steroids have no real effect on increased aggressive behavior.

so yeah, benoit was simply..

a sick fuck

robb

06-26-2007, 02:14 PM

holy shit.

this just gets weirder and weirder.

i still say perry saturn and dean malenko need to be careful.

curse of the radicalz.

Wonderboy

06-26-2007, 02:17 PM

I hate to sound immature, but yeah, fuck him.

smyce

06-26-2007, 03:26 PM

I immediately thought murder/suicide when I heard the news and Im surprised that more people didn't. What a sick fucker.

robb

06-26-2007, 04:36 PM

initially i didn't hear anything about his family and figured he just turned up dead like so many wrestlers seem to do nowadays.

Curtis

06-26-2007, 04:49 PM

District Attorney Scott Ballard was interview on CNN Headline news by Erica Hill. Here are the highlights:

- Once again, Ballard said Nancy Benoit was killed sometime on Friday, Daniel on Saturday morning, and Benoit killed himself Saturday night.

- According to the medical examiner, Nancy was found with bruise marks on her back which is consistent with a knee being placed on her back, bruising on the front of her body suggesting she had been pressed against the floor, and her neck indicated she had been strangled.

- There is no indication Daniel tried to make contact with anyone after his mother had been killed.

- There were needle marks in Daniel’s arm, suggesting he was taking growth hormones for quite sometime.

- Ballard suggested that Benoit may have killed his son with a chokehold.

- Text messages from Benoit indicated that Nancy and Daniel were sick (probably sent when Nancy and Daniel had already been killed), and one messaged indicated that the pets needed to be let out.

- Dr. Alan Lipman, also interviewed by CNN, suggested that in the past, Benoit was breaking up the furniture in the home and threatening Nancy.

This was not roid rage Benoit was fucking giving his kid steroids. He's a sicko.

W.P.

06-26-2007, 05:15 PM

This is all the rage in Quebec. It even made the evening news. Wow...

This isn't the first time that a wrestler from Quebec has been caught up in craziness like this.

Curtis

06-26-2007, 05:21 PM

ESPN also reported that Benoit had been giving steroids to his 7 year old son because he was "undersized" and that his wife kept a lock box with proof of past violence from Benoit in case anything like this ever happened.

On ECW tonight, Vince is going to apologize for the tribute show last night.

duffless89

06-26-2007, 05:25 PM

Dude this is one of the saddest things I've seen in ages. I just hope that in years to come, we can remember Benoit for the wrestling, not for the horribly tragic events of the last few days.

Dr. Horrible

06-26-2007, 05:33 PM

thecapecoddah

06-26-2007, 05:56 PM

pretty amazing that a guy can go from being one of the most respected people in the company to a sick, horrible human being in 24 hours. but that's exactly what has happened.

smyce

06-26-2007, 06:25 PM

I just hope that in years to come, we can remember Benoit for the wrestling, not for the horribly tragic events of the last few days.

Why? He doesnt deserve that.

Larson Something

06-26-2007, 07:39 PM

It's going to be impossible to separate him as a wrestler from what he did. For God's sake, he did that throat-slash thing in every match. That's taken on a sick new meaning.

The roid rage thing is something people are clinging to in hopes of being able to salvage their memories of him; that this was some sort of uncharacteristic moment of madness that spiralled out of control. But from what's coming out now, it seems like this might not have been completely out of character. And if the whole giving his 7-year-old steroids thing is true, fuck. It's possible that some of the characteristics that made him admirable, like, say, perfectionism, may have had a dark side that always had the potential to explode in this way.

I do think WWE is a little off in how they're handling things:
WWE issued a news release Tuesday decrying the speculation about steroid use being behind the tragedy.

WWE noted that investigators believed the drugs found were legally prescribed and that Benoit's actions indicate he killed in deliberation, not rage. Toxicology tests haven't been completed yet.

"WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts."
I think it's a little early to start getting defensive. And besides, that statement seems to condone steroid use, which, regardless of what role they did or did not play in this, doesn't seem like the best PR move at this time.

Spartan

06-26-2007, 09:01 PM

pretty amazing that a guy can go from being one of the most respected people in the company to a sick, horrible human being in 24 hours. but that's exactly what has happened.

but aint that america.

fucking :-\ all around

vox

06-26-2007, 10:31 PM

this is fairly fucked. haven't watched wrestling in years, but i do remember benoit and this is shocking.

contents of the text messages:Chris Benoit sent a series of text messages to WWE co-workers, some from his dead wife's cell phone. According to WWE.com (http://www.wwe.com/), all five text messages were sent between 3:53 AM and 3:58 AM on June 24. He then committed suicide.

The messages revealed that Benoit distributed information on where to find his remains, and the enclosed location of his attack dogs.

Below are the times and content of text messages Benoit sent to co-workers, as first reported by WWE:

3:53 AM - Chris Benoit's cell phone: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"
3:53 AM - Chris Benoit's cell phone: "The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open."
3:54 AM - Nancy Benoit's cell phone: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"
3:55 AM - Nancy Benoit's cell phone: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"
5:58 AM - Nancy Benoit's cell phone: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"also, the full statement issued by the wwe is here: http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0626_wwe_release_wm.pdf

basically, it says it wasn't roid rage because he put bibles next to them sometime before he killed himself. ...k.

Curtis

06-26-2007, 11:14 PM

Hes a sick fuck and it makes me sick to my stomack that i cheered for him just a few weeks ago at the show.

Jane Velez-Mitchell

06-26-2007, 11:23 PM

fuck'em and everything he ever did. worthless scum.

i am also more against the murder of children than you dudes.

Tab

06-27-2007, 12:20 AM

I couldn't believe he did what he did...
But oh well, he must have had a reason.

Nebuchanezzar

06-27-2007, 12:51 AM

I still stick by the idea that something had to happen to the guy to cause all of this. It wasn't "roid rage", so something had to happen to make the guy a killer. As someone said, you don't go from one of the most respected wrestlers around to a killer. That's quite true. Something, in the space of whenever to now had to turn Benoit into what appears to be a totally different human being.

People I feel most sorry for, are the people in the WWE who knew him. They have to simultaneously deal with the loss of a friend and all the negative attention the wwe is getting. :-/

Tab

06-27-2007, 12:55 AM

I heard that him and his wife were fighting?
So, maybe he killed her because of that, and killed his son in risk of him alerting the authorities?

Jane Velez-Mitchell

06-27-2007, 01:32 AM

who gives a fuck what happened in that period of time that turned him into a killer or whatever you're trying to use as a pseudo-justification or postponement of acceptance.

the guy killed a 7 year old kid and his wife. i don't care if his wife and son were going door to door raping puppies to pay off debt to a coke dealer. HE STILL KILLED HIS WIFE AND KID. he made the concious choice to end the lives of two other people, one of whom CERTAINLY couldn't have done anything REMOTELY resembling wrong. he bears all the responsibility of it, regardless of what fake event you've concocted in your mind to give some kind of reasoning to it.

obviously he has an entire fucking personal life that you knew precisely zero about jimmy, and from the sound of it, it included a lot of domestic violence. people can show up to work with a smile on their face every day and that's all you'd ever see. he obviously wasn't exactly mother theresa in his spare time.

Nebuchanezzar

06-27-2007, 02:52 AM

No-one was disagreeing with anything you said in your above posts, so there wasn't a need to launch into another one of your pathetic essays about this that and the other about how wrong I was. No-one said that he didn't kill his wife and kid, no-one said he didn't have obvious problems, no-one was posting whatever you thought was "pseudo-justification or postponement of accepttance", so give it a rest on that subject.

Who gives a fuck about it? Most people, I assume, definately the wrestling fans. We all know that he, his wife, and child are dead. It doesn't take ten rambling posts by DNS to confirm that, or a thousand posts saying "fuck him" to make any further point. I give a fuck about it, as a fan, and as such I speculate (based on being a fan, and knowing one helluva lot more about the man then you) that there was obviously something, long-term of short, that ticked the man off. I, as a wrestling fan and someone who's genuinely a little saddened by the loss of a wrestler (murderer or not, my relationship with the man was 10 years as a fan, one day as an ex-fan), would like to know what that could have been. Based on ten years on constant reporting that he was a genuinely good guy, a family man from what I read in the Sydney Morning Herald this morning (which came from wrestlers, supposedly), there's obviously something that made the guy tic. It's certainly a lot more interesting, and will yield a lot more than a thoughtful comment along the lines of "fuck'em and everything he ever did. worthless scum."

Jane Velez-Mitchell

06-27-2007, 09:14 AM

no, you clearly aren't agreeing with me and are being contrary for the sake of it once again. you started off with your bullshit about how SOMETHING MUST HAVE MADE HIM A CHANGED MAN.

my whole point is that you're retarded for assuming that there must have been some tipping point because it means you're assuming that you knew the guy's personality pre-murders. evidence seems to suggest there was a history of violence in the household, so there didn't NEED to be a catalyst...there was just not much more than a history of fan ignorance of his real lifestyle.

and don't give me the bullshit about essays. that post is barely 10 fucking sentences. you're such an ignorant little shit. bite the bullet and admit maybe the world just didn't fucking know the guy in the least.

my first post was also clearly a joke...something you'd realize if you weren't so busy trying to be contrary, mr. "veterans day is for celebrating murderers with marches".

thecapecoddah

06-27-2007, 09:32 AM

two strikes for flaming in 24 hours, scott. you know the prize for strike three.

DAAAAAAAANNO

06-27-2007, 09:44 AM

i am also more against the murder of children than you dudes.
sig worthy

Dr Zaius

06-27-2007, 10:14 AM

I was in mourning over the guy for the past two days and then I come back to read all this murder-suicide stuff. Unbelievable. I thought Benoit was one of the most best guys in wrestling, now I don't know what to believe. Always the quiet guys, isn't it?

shark_vs_gorilla

06-27-2007, 11:10 AM

i still dont see anything wrong with the tribute show last nite

despite how fucked up things have gotten, there are still a bunch of guys in that locker room that lsot one of their dear friends and deserve the right to pay tribute to him, plus wwe did not know the details of what happened, so i still feel they are justified and even justified for having guys put on a wrestling clinic tonight at the tapings

Hey Mike long time no see, yet once again we are agreeing on matters of pro wrestling. I totally agree that yes things are really fucked up to the point where i don't even know what's what anymore. I always admired Benoit for busting his ass to be the best and making his dreams come true. It is unfathomable to me that he could have done what they say he did and it's really messing with my head and emotions.

But that is neither here nor there. The tribute was done beutifully and I think it was what needed to be done. Chris Benoit meant a lot to his fellow wrestlers and that truly showed through Monday night. Honestly this is how i wish it would continue with everyone remembering the good that Benoit did rather than the circumstances surrounding his death.

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be looked into. It should, but until we have all the facts (which wont happen for at least 2 weeks) i think it is foolish to jump to conclusions and tarnish the memory of a man who gave his all for the fans and for the business that he loved. well that's what i am trying to do at least.

Jane Velez-Mitchell

06-27-2007, 11:37 AM

sig worthyc'mon danno, i know you picked up on the joke there.

DAAAAAAAANNO

06-27-2007, 11:52 AM

right. that's why i put it in my sig

also, please call me :bang:

shark_vs_gorilla

06-27-2007, 12:43 PM

Below are comments that Booker T made during an interveiw today about the late Chris Benoit. I think this should be read by all of us discussing this delicate issue because unlike all of us, Booker T knew and worked with Benoit.

"We're all tired at certain points, we work a lot of hours, but I never saw this side of Chris. I've never seen Chris mad. I've never seen Chris angry. He was always the guy with a lot of positive energy, always pushing the guys." He went on to tell a story of a student that came to his wrestling school in Houston, Texas to be trained. Booker said that the student arrived from Illinois, with “no way to go back” and had $800 in his pocket. He revealed that the student carried around a photo of Benoit and Eddie Guerrero with him, as he was inspired by them to pursue a career in professional wrestling. "That was just the type of person he was, always encouraging people. He didn't even know this guy, but that's the type of person he was." Booker commented. When “roid rage” was brought up in the interview, Booker commented, "The media is going to put a spin on it, you know. We know that. WWE knows that. Did the guy last week who murders his wife and kid last week have any form of roid rage? He was a cop. This happens in any form of life. I feel like the human life is a delicate piece of equipment and everyone has their breaking point. We don't know what his breaking point was. You don't know what my point is, I don't know what your point is. We're all human. I just think it was a huge malfunction and whatever it was, we may never know. It's not for us to know. It's out of our hands and with God now." Booker said that the wrestling industry is a huge family and he’s cried and wanted to pull his hair out over the tragedy. He revealed that he loved Chris and said that he is mad to see him "go out like this. I'm pissed at him in certain ways. I wish I could just hold him for a second, but it's out of our hands. I'll be there at the funeral and tell him goodbye and hopefully see him on the other side. Hopefully, I'll find out what happened one day."

Just something for all of us to think about

Curtis

06-27-2007, 01:08 PM

Chris Benoit was my 4th favorite wrestler behind HBK, Foley and Jericho and he was one of the reasons I would occasionally flip to WCW back in the day, just to watch him wrestle. Personally, I think it is a cop out for people to say well what he did was wrong and all but he had a great career. Well Hitler drastically improved the German economy after it was destroyed by depression but does he deserve praising? No. Every time I will watch a Chris Benoit match or see footage of him I will be reminded of the horrible atrocity he committed. And just because we know him as a wrestler doesn't mean we knew him behind the scenes. Even most of the guys in the back didn't know him as he was very secretive about his personal life. He may have been a great wrestler but he was a horrible vile person and just like the career of O.J. Simpson I consider his accomplishments tainted and not worthy of praise.

duffless89

06-27-2007, 03:56 PM

Dude this is one of the saddest things I've seen in ages. I just hope that in years to come, we can remember Benoit for the wrestling, not for the horribly tragic events of the last few days.

Why? He doesnt deserve that.

True, he may not deserve it. I don't think he deserves anything more from wrestling, such as Hall of Fame inductions. But his image is plastered all over some of wrestling's greatest matches, events and memories, and it's not like you can just erase history and pretend that Benoit never won the Royal Rumble from No. 1, or that he won the World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania. If it's the only praise he will ever get, ever again, He deserves some for his wrestling ability.

Nebuchanezzar

06-27-2007, 04:42 PM

shhbly

06-27-2007, 06:30 PM

This reminds me of Ted Bundy ... and I'll tell you why before any of you
freak out on me.
Any intreview I've read or seen on television with people who knew him, family, co-workers, etc. all said they thought he was a great guy. Intellegent, friendly, out going, helpful, handsome.
It seemed there wasn't anything that made him "snap" when he murdered women - he just had two, polar opposite personalities.

All I am saying... people who think they really REALLY know someone, and can't imagine them doing something hurtful to anyone, aren't always right.

It's a tragedy, and even if you are a huge fan, a friend or a family member, you still have to see this guy in a more tainted light than you did before.

Nebuchanezzar

06-27-2007, 06:50 PM

And I think everyone does, but it's still unreasonable to sit there piheadedly like some are saying "fuck'em and everything he ever did. worthless scum.", when it's pretty damn obvious that anyone who can murder someone has something just a little wrong with them, beyond being a lunatic who's worth nothing. I'm not justifying what he did, it's a horrible thing to do but damnit, I feel sorry for a man that can go to those two polar opposites that you mentioned. Something had to make the man tic (unless he was schizophrenic i guess).

Jane Velez-Mitchell

06-27-2007, 06:58 PM

jimmy, you don't know his personality. booker didn't know it. he saw his professional side...the side even the sickest and most depraved individuals can have and show when they need to. i'm not pretending to know his personality or emotional state in the least. i'm telling you that YOU can't pretend to either. no one knew it except for him, and possibly his wife. again, evidence is already showing that his personal life was NOT parallel to the side he showed everyone else.

Nebuchanezzar

06-27-2007, 07:49 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that people who he spent the majority of his time with (such as Booker), would know his true personality.

vox

06-27-2007, 07:56 PM

dns, if you respond to that, you're really just letting him troll you. because i strongly doubt he doesn't understand the difference between personal and professional life.

Jane Velez-Mitchell

06-27-2007, 07:59 PM

there's no way to respond to it. if he wants to just be contrary, that's his prerogative. it's just his schtick.

dude was clearly a troubled, troubled man with a hidden private life and personal problems and personal demons. he gets no sympathy from me and no forgiveness. that's all that i have left to say.

Curtis

06-27-2007, 09:11 PM

Jimmy don't be an idiot. Booker T, Edge, Chavo Guerrero all close with him saw 0 signs you know? He had two different personalities one at home and one with everyone else. Chavo even ate at Benoit's house a week ago and saw nothing wrong because Benoit was different with other people around.

Nebuchanezzar

06-27-2007, 09:23 PM

dude was clearly a troubled, troubled man with a hidden private life and personal problems and personal demons. he gets no sympathy from me and no forgiveness. that's all that i have left to say.

dude was clearly a troubled, troubled man with a hidden private life and immense personal problems and demons. He gets sympathy from me for being someone who was clearly in distress. Doesn't make what he did right though (you seemed to miss this last time, so I made it clear for you). Whether or not something caused this is a big mystery, and was the subject on my original post which DNS pigheadedly replied to, making a big fuss out of nothing.

So what happens with the McMahon angle now? I haven't really been keeping up with the news too much.

Andy

06-27-2007, 09:25 PM

espn said the mcmahon-death storyline was going to be dropped.

of course, vince may still take a break from having his character on the show, and then he could bring back "mr. mcmahon" at a later time, with his death retconned.

pat

06-27-2007, 09:28 PM

where did kelley once say that what benoit did was right? basically you guys have been dragging on the same argument for the last page or so. i'd feel sorry for him if he had just killed himself. but he killed his fucking wife AND kid. there's no legitimate goddamn excuse in the world to justify that. i don't feel sympathy for the sick fuck after that. and benoit was even a favorite of mine back in the day, like i said before.

Nebuchanezzar

06-28-2007, 01:19 AM

where did kelley once say that what benoit did was right?

Um...nowhere...Why, did someone say he made that comment? Hmm?

So I guess it comes down to two types of people then, ey? Those who don't condone what he did, think he's a bit of a shithead but also feel kinda sorry for him for being able to do it, for whatever reasons. And those who don't condone what he did, and think he's a bit of a shithead. Hooray, who cares, let's move on like I was trying to do before you decided you should bring it back up again.

of course, vince may still take a break from having his character on the show, and then he could bring back "mr. mcmahon" at a later time, with his death retconned.

I kind of hope so. Mr. McMahon has always been a favourite character of mine, it's just that when he's on TV week after week hogging the spotlight, it becomes a bit much.

Curtis

06-28-2007, 01:49 AM

Jake

06-28-2007, 04:32 AM

I just overheard a blurb on the news right now about Benoit and his family. According to the report, the biggest rift between him and his wife was their son, and if true makes Benoit an even bigger jackass then what we have believed.

Appearently, the source of the trouble was their 7yr old son was mentally retarded and his mother wanted Chris to be at home more to help take care of their child and Benoit resisted. Things just escalated over time.

Nebuchanezzar

06-28-2007, 04:40 AM

WWE is going to have to deal with a lot of shit from the media from this for awhile. Outside of this horrible situation I hope the product improves. I am sick to death of seeing John Cena as champion. Every single pay per view of this year has ended with him holding his championship with his music playing parading around like an idiot while half the crowd boos him despite the fact hes a face. I want Triple H to get back but the guys I really miss are HBK whos hurt and Chris Jericho who was likely to return this year but with the recent tragedy I imagine he might reconsider ever returning to the ring.

Oh God yes. I'd go as far to say that it might just be about time that we don't see any of those guys. Hey, I'm the biggest HBK fan in the world, and I'm a pretty big fan of HHH too but it's been three years of Cena, a decade of HHH, and about 15 years of HBK. I think it's about time the old boys club retires, and lets the younger guys get on with it. I know everyone says it all the time, but bringing back HHH and HBK into the top for a prolonged period of time will end up just as stale as this Cena garbage. So yeah, maybe stick HHH and HBK in charge of the company (the mark in me talking here) and let everything move on. Now would be a fairly fitting time to do it I suppose.

D DEBBS

06-28-2007, 09:20 AM

From what I watched last night on CNN and Fox News, Daniel Beniot had Fragile X Syndrome.

I heard of it (From seeing books on the subject at Borders and B&N) , but do not really know exactly what it is.

shhbly

06-28-2007, 11:35 AM

Synonyms
FRAXA
Marker X Syndrome
Martin-Bell Syndrome
X-linked Mental Retardation and Macroorchidism

Fragile X Syndrome is a defect of the X chromosome which causes mild mental retardation. The disorder occurs more frequently and severely among males than females. This condition is the leading known familial cause of mental retardation in the United States. Language delays, behavioral problems, autism or autistic-like behavior (including poor eye contact and hand-flapping), enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism), large or prominent ears, hyperactivity, delayed motor development and/or poor sensory skills are among the wide range of symptoms associated with this disorder.

DAAAAAAAANNO

06-28-2007, 11:49 AM

enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism),
:-O

Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland

06-28-2007, 12:16 PM

I don't know why everyone loved Chris Benoit in the first place. The guy had the most smug, greasy, loathsome face ever. Doesn't surprise me at all he went on a murdering rampage.

kuumuus

06-28-2007, 01:29 PM

but he was such a gifted fake fighter.

sacrelicious

06-28-2007, 02:32 PM

More news coming through:
Benoit's Wikipedia entry was altered early Monday to say that the wrestler had missed a match two days earlier because of his wife's death.

Benoit's page on Wikipedia, a reference site that allows users to add and edit information, was updated at 12:01 a.m. Monday, about 14 hours before authorities say the bodies were found. The reason he missed a match Saturday night was "stemming from the death of his wife Nancy," it said.

Authorities have found that the IP address of the computer was registered in Stamford, Conn., where World Wrestling Entertainment is based.

Link to entire article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070628/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead;_ylt=AmrfMOBggMz.lAMUOshd3DnMWM0F)

Curtis

06-28-2007, 03:00 PM

Oh God yes. I'd go as far to say that it might just be about time that we don't see any of those guys. Hey, I'm the biggest HBK fan in the world, and I'm a pretty big fan of HHH too but it's been three years of Cena, a decade of HHH, and about 15 years of HBK. I think it's about time the old boys club retires, and lets the younger guys get on with it. I know everyone says it all the time, but bringing back HHH and HBK into the top for a prolonged period of time will end up just as stale as this Cena garbage. So yeah, maybe stick HHH and HBK in charge of the company (the mark in me talking here) and let everything move on. Now would be a fairly fitting time to do it I suppose.

What? Thats retarded. Triple H and HBK are among the best performers in the business even in there late 30's early 40s. Yeah so you rather see Batista and Cena over them two.

Dr Zaius

06-28-2007, 03:14 PM

I'm a big time HBK fan but I wouldn't mind seeing him retire. He's gone very stale. HHH has many more years left in him, though.

Nebuchanezzar

06-28-2007, 09:22 PM

What? Thats retarded. Triple H and HBK are among the best performers in the business even in there late 30's early 40s. Yeah so you rather see Batista and Cena over them two.

Um...no. I guess you didn't see my constant references to John Cena in my post, illustrating that I think that Cena is just as much of a problem. o_0

My point, Curtis, is that it's time to move on from the wrestlers of yesteryear and the ones that are boring now. I didn't think anyone actually disagreed with that. I mean, honestly, I've seen everything HBK and HHH have to offer. Doesn't mean that they're bad, but I do want to see a fresh product, and those wrestlers (plus the likes of Cena etc.) can't provide that product.

Samuel L Bronkowitz

06-30-2007, 06:11 AM

maybe it's just me, but I'm intrigued about the Wikipedia angle to the story. The guy who posted it says it was based on "rumors and speculation, not hard evidence", but I'd still like to know what he knows & maybe even the source of said rumors, considering the majority of us apparently didn't have a clue what was ticking in Benoit's head.....

Curtis

07-01-2007, 01:17 AM

Man, I'm so fucking tired of John Cena as champ I can't wait for Kennedy to dethrone his ass!

Dr Zaius

07-01-2007, 07:29 AM

I think they'll have Orton as the guy who pins him. I hate Orton just as much.

shark_vs_gorilla

07-01-2007, 11:38 AM

I'm not so sure about Orton taking the belt from Cena. From what i have heard he has kept out of trouble lately after that hotel incident but he probably still has heat from it with management. I guess time will tell though. And while i do like Cena, i do agree he needs to drop the belt asap.

Curtis

07-01-2007, 11:39 AM

Orton has improved drastically since he got in trouble for trashing that hotel room. He is a skilled worker and good on the mic when he is focused and lately he has been at least in my eyes.

block02

07-01-2007, 03:12 PM

K boys and girls I just got back so first off let me say how fucking shocked I was when I found out about Benoit. I found out about it Monday night and turned into RAW to see the final moments of the WM XX match and Benoit's ensuing moment with Eddie. Fucking surreal. Then the next morning I hear my family reading the newspaper about the alleged homicide/suicide deal. Benoit was one of my top 10 favorite wrestlers ever and whether it was 'roid rage or severe personal issues sad to say I think I lost a lot of respect for him but I'm not gonna shoot off about how much of a "sick fuck" he was either. I'm guessing that people who do say this have not experienced either of these two aforementioned conditions so in my eyes people who dismiss Benoit as a "sick fuck" are fucking hypocrites. Keep in mind I am not justifying what happened at all just that people cannot justify judging people when they haven't walked in that person's shoes.....

....now that that's out of the way let me say how fucking sick I am of Cena keeping the belt. For the love of God when is Vince gonna get his head out of his ass and realize that for the most part people over the age of 15 are sick of him as well. I'm not criticizing Cena as a person(since all evidence seems to support the fact that he's a pretty cooperative and nice person backstage) but I'm criticizing Cena as a performer. It's the same fucking superman comeback shit every single time. Now I realize that a lot of other top guys do the superman thing too, but not nearly as prominently as Cena. Particularly HBK and C.M. Punk are often accused of this but they 1)vary their move sets and 2)sell, two things Cena has seemingly no grasp on. I'm thinking Orton needs to be the guy to get the belt off Cena. He's apparently got his head straight now and he could give fans something to make them forget his flop of a title reign in '04.

....sorry for the anger-I've been very pissed off lately.

Dr. Horrible

07-01-2007, 03:17 PM

Dr Zaius

07-01-2007, 03:19 PM

I want to see a sign in the crowd that has Cena's head on Superman's body. Can't put it any more straight than that.

block02

07-01-2007, 04:59 PM

True the haters do watch Cena, but problem is they don't watch Cena because he is entertaining; they only watch Cena with hopes that he will get his ass kicked or lose the title.

Tab

07-01-2007, 05:06 PM

True the haters do watch Cena, but problem is they don't watch Cena because he is entertaining; they only watch Cena with hopes that he will get his ass kicked or lose the title.

I was hoping that, at Wrestlemania 23, he would lost to Shawn Michaels.
Stupid WWE.

Nebuchanezzar

07-01-2007, 07:47 PM

guys if you don't like cena with the belt, then stop watching it

Because anything but blind positivity towards an obviously deficient product is evil, evil, evil. Right? I think that complaining on the internet, which has proven itself to be the most important communication medium for the world of wrestling fans is a perfectly admirable idea. It's certain to make an impact if enough people whinge, and it's fun to talk with other like minded people.

But indeed, I did stop watching.

the bottom line is cena is this generations hulk hogan

How?

if the internet was as strong in the 80s as it was today, people would be saying the same thing about hogan that they do about cena today

Why?

and the sad part is that cena is a much better worker than hogan

He certainly puts in a lot more effort than Hogan does, but as I keep telling you time and time again, effort and being a nice guy does not and should never be a determiner of how popular a champion is. If the man is shit, but still puts in loads of effort then regardless of that effort he is still shit. I, along with a lot of wrestling fans evidently, do not like to cheer for shitty wrestlers who've unnessecarily been on top of the game for a prolonged period of time. No matter how much effort he might put in, he offers very little food-for-thought in terms of being a decent wrestler.

Unless of course, you were trying to say that you think that Cena is an excellent wrestler/mic worker compared to other potential and past champions. If that's the case, I would certainly enjoy hearing some examples of how great the man is.

and still has a great future ahead of him

This I doubt. In the three years or so that Cena has been a fairly significant wrestler, he has failed to lift his game in any respect. His mic work has decreased in quality, his wrestling moveset has had only one tweak and his fan base has been whittled down to groups of horny teenage girls, and small children who love his hollow heroic antics. The storylines he has been involved in, regardless of context have more or less ended up with Cena coming out on top, and the very same can be said of pretty much all of his matches. The man is a bore, perhaps one of the most boring wrestlers to have appeared in the WWE in a long, long time, and I think that's what this all comes down to. At the top of the WWE's most popular brand, is a man who embodies mediocrity, and has done so for three years. I see very little logic or evidence to suggest in any way that Cena will do anything, let alone be able to do anything to lift his game in the future.

and could potentially be one of the biggest names of all time in the sport

Yes, if people continue to believe that he's brilliant when evidence points in the opposite direction.

Curtis

07-01-2007, 07:53 PM

guys if you don't like cena with the belt, then stop watching it

the bottom line is cena is this generations hulk hogan, if the internet was as strong in the 80s as it was today, people would be saying the same thing about hogan that they do about cena today and the sad part is that cena is a much better worker than hogan, and still has a great future ahead of him and could potentially be one of the biggest names of all time in the sport

Thats dumb as fuck. I hate George W. Bush but should I leave this country because of it? No. Don't give me that love it or leave it bullshit. I watch the WWE because I have my whole life. I watch to see guys like Ken Kennedy, Booker T, Carlito, CM Punk, MVP, Elijiah Burke, Shawn Michaels, Edge and Triple H. Guys who entertain me with there charisma and work rate. Cena was never a good worker but at least he had a good gimmick and was entertaining in his run as U.S. champion. Since his push to the main event he dropped his entertaining rapper gimmick and is now some kind of generic wigger-marine mix. Fucking boring. So with no character or good ring work he is boring. He is not this generations Hogan because Hogan at least had charisma. He is this generations Bob Backlund, who held the title for years while fans were pissed because of how boring he was. The days of the year long title rains and superman like title runs Cena has had our over. After we were treated to the Attitude era there is no going back to the 80s bullshit which WWE seems to be doing. Maybe thats why instead of scoring in the 8's rating wise they are down to 3. All my friends who use to watch wrestling and occasionally stop to see whats going on thinks it sucks. You know why? They don't push the guys they need to and instead put up shit like the Great Khali and waste a great talent in Eddie Fatu doing a stupid fucking wild Samoan gimmick. John Cena needs to drop the belt, the fan backlash continues to grow and come on at least turn the guy heel. Every fucking pay per view of this year has ended with John Cena's music playing and him celebrating. Thats ridiculous. Chris Jericho debuted in the WWF with one of the most awesome moments of all time. In that he said he was there to save the WWF. Well Jericho is a free agent out there with still some great years in him. I pray that Chris Jericho comes back to save the WWE.

Jake

07-01-2007, 08:08 PM

In regards to Wrestlers who've died young, here's a sad summery of "what's wrong with this sport"...

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003605998

Dr. Horrible

07-01-2007, 08:24 PM

you can still turn off the tv whenever cena is on it, be a proactive fan and not a reactive one

cena is the hulk hogan because he is getting the same exact push as hogan did, between hogans mania matches, all he was doing was destroying big men to make him look like an even bigger superstar, some guys pulled matches out of him (boss man, bundy, taker) and some didnt (earthquake, zeuz, andre, one man gang) the bottom line was hogan always got assaulted by the big man, had his ribs crushed, was sidelined, whatever you wish to call it, and hogan then always rose up and overcame the odds to keep his belt

cena is on a similar path, little kids love him, women adore him, he has a great physique, he has destroyed monster after monster in between his legitimate feuds with kahli, umaga, and soon snitsky will fall to the great white hope that is john cena

hell even when the superface gimmick went stale for both him and hogan, they both started referring to them both as American Made....what easier way to get a cheap face pop

go ahead and watch some of hogans old matches from when he was in his prime and tell me you are more entertained from them more than a cena match i dare you, if the internet was around back then all the smart marks would crowd the arenas and boo hogan out of the building the way they are doing with cena, hell the kids that cheer cena now will probably look back to cena with the same awe that a lot of us do for hogan, especially when the cena of 2 generations from now is destroying whatever version of andre the giant is out then

Curtis

07-01-2007, 09:10 PM

Did you read any of my post, seriously. It's a totally different era in wrestling and guess what ITS NOT WORKING. Don't believe me then listen to the crowd reactions. Hogan in his WWF run NEVER got shit all over like Cena is. Vince may be pushing him as a Hogan but hes just another Backlund. You make it out like Cena is such a success if he was then wrestling would be as popular as 80s Hogan made it or the Attitude era. Guess what, its nowhere close.

Dr. Horrible

07-01-2007, 09:37 PM

wrestling is a cyclical business curtis, the only reason you hear boos is because all the people booing have louder voices than the chuldren buying every single piece of cena merchandise they can get their hands on, wrestling is driven by money, and cena is making boatloads of it for the company, jsut like hogan did

its only a totally different era because kayfabe is essentially gone, cena is a better worker than hogan and is possibly even better on the mike, but people bought into hogan more because kayfabe was king back then and no one knew that hogan wasnt a god, he was just an average to below average worker with a terrific gimmick and great personality

Nebuchanezzar

07-01-2007, 10:35 PM

Curtis

07-02-2007, 01:08 AM

It's a different era because people are no longer entertained by the very things which Hogan once used. If you're defending Cena based on what Hogan did more than twenty years ago, you're on a clear path to losing this debate.

He crossed that path a long time ago he is flat out wrong and once again I will highlight why.

wrestling is a cyclical business curtis, the only reason you hear boos is because all the people booing have louder voices than the chuldren buying every single piece of cena merchandise they can get their hands on, wrestling is driven by money, and cena is making boatloads of it for the company, jsut like hogan did

its only a totally different era because kayfabe is essentially gone, cena is a better worker than hogan and is possibly even better on the mike, but people bought into hogan more because kayfabe was king back then and no one knew that hogan wasnt a god, he was just an average to below average worker with a terrific gimmick and great personality

Yes, the children buy Cena merchandise but no one else does. Cena is NOT making boatloads of money for the WWE if you want to compare him to guys like the Rock, Stone Cold and Hogan. Even DX was outselling Cena like crazy during there return as per the WWE stores top ten sellers list from a few months back. Hogan in his WWF run was NEVER booed out of buildings like Cena has been. From Chicago to Italy 80% of the crowd has been booing the guy who is supposed to be the top FACE in the company. You never addressed what I said about ratings, If Cena was another Hogan there would be a surge but theres not. WWE Raw is getting 60% less of the audience then they did in 98 and 99. Because Cena is so god damned boring. Stop bringing up Hogan that was a totally different era, ring work has changed so much since then and compared to the modern style of wrestling Cena still sucks. Young guys like CM Punk, Kennedy and Carlito work circles around Cena and have more charisma to boot. Cena is not Hogan as evidenced by the rut WWE is currently stuck in he is the fucking new age Bob Backlund. He was half the draw Hogan was WWE would not be getting the low ratings, low ppv buys and low overall merchandise sales. Walk the streets and you still see people wearing DX, Austin and Rock shirts. It sure the fuck ain't like that with Cena. This isn't the fucking gimmicky 80s and it will never be able to go back to that. Kayfabe isn't dead, its just that the audience isn't fucking retarded and wants a more realistic product with better characters like the Attitude Era gave us.

Dr. Horrible

07-02-2007, 03:30 AM

i wish you guys would really stop stating your opinions as fact

hogan, wrestled, used the same moves to mount his comeback and defeated monster after monster, cena does the same thing and people still pay to see it, maybe you dont pay to see cena, but a lot of people still do, cena isn't marketed to smart marks like us, cena is marketed to children, so as a face he doesn't have to pull out as many varied moves as guys lower on the card to get a reaction

if cena wasnt doing his job then he wouldnt get any reaction from the fans when he comes out, instead he gets a mixture of cheers and boos, the cheers are from the children and women in the audience and the boos come from smart marks who generally dont like cenas work and mostly from people who now just boo cena because its the cool thing to do and they dont care one way or the other

the wrestling business isnt as big as it was in the 90s because a) there isnt any direct competition to wwe b) the market became oversaturated with wrestling c) wrestling has gotten a lot of bad press lately

have i ever said that punk, kennedy, and arguably carlito could work bettere than cena? no i never said that, so you bringing them up in the argument is you stretching for a point, the fact of the matter is that cena makes more money than all 3 of them combined, punk is the future of the company,m but his time wont be for another year or so....same goes to kennedy, carlito's work has really slacked off a lot though as of latre whereas cena has been trying to improve, but wwe knows he doesnt have to pull out 30 new moves in each match to get people to either boo him or cheer him, and despite what you think curtis, the wwe officials do basically put the matches together and tell them what spots to use

and i dont know what streets you walk down, but if you mention the name john cena in the middle of nyc, plenty of people not only know who he is but are fans of him

and comparing cena to bob backlund, just shows how little you know

Nebuchanezzar

07-02-2007, 05:17 AM

i wish you guys would really stop stating your opinions as fact

Slack Jawed Mikel's hypocracy: A sample by Jimmy C

"the bottom line is cena is this generations hulk hogan"

"if the internet was as strong in the 80s as it was today, people would be saying the same thing about hogan that they do about cena today"

"the boos come from smart marks who generally dont like cenas work and mostly from people who now just boo cena because its the cool thing to do and they dont care one way or the other"

Dr Zaius

07-03-2007, 04:23 AM

Anyone notice there was a sign on the front row last night that said "SOMEBODY PLEASE BEAT CENA" (amen, brother). While Cena and Kennedy were talking the camera avoided it and then it vanished for the rest of the show. I think they had security remove it.

block02

07-03-2007, 09:22 AM

Kinda like the "We've Cena Nuff" sign a few months ago.

My thoughts on Raw:

-It's bad enough Cena's gonna retain the title at yet another PPV, but against Lashley of all people. Way to get that creativity going guys, send in the two most generic people on the payroll to the main event. Fucking great. Only saving grace will be if Lashley is the heel here and if that's the case he might be able to carry Cena somewhat.

-Fucking hell, where is Londrick? They had a great little match two weeks ago and now they're nowhere to be seen.

-Always good to see William Regal.

-I enjoyed Orton's match and the suddenness of the conclusion but it would have been cool to see his time at least persevere through one match.

-God I loved the promo with Dust and Orton. I hope creative keeps Orton going with the concussion giver gimmick. Fucking love it.

-The women's match was decent. Love Melina's finisher.

-I enjoyed Booker/Val too Val in my eyes has always been ridiculously underrated and I was hoping that he would pull some kind of Rocky thing and last past Orton's time. Oh well.

-What the fuck was the point in having Santino give the "I'm gonna prove myself" drivel if he was gonna get his ass handed to him?

-Speaking of pointless, how in the fuck can creative justify having a midcard comedy face cleanly go over the future of WWE and one of the top three choices as the guy who gets the belt off Cena?

-Not a masterpiece by any means, but Carlito/Sandman was a lot of fun too and the promo was entertaining. God Jillian Hall is fucking smoking.

-So this is what Shelton Benjamin has been reduced to within a year, huh? He goes from stealing the MITB match and having an incredible triple threat at last year's Vengeance and now he's being fed to Lashley and playing the chicken shit heel too. Fucking atrocious.

Dr Zaius

07-03-2007, 12:34 PM

Kennedy's my favourite but I had no problem with him losing to Super Crazy (as much as he annoys me). It wasn't entirely a clean win anyway. Kennedy was caught off guard. Actually I'm glad Kennedy won't be next in line to job to Cena.

Santino Marella is such a generic nice guy underdog it sickens me.

D DEBBS

07-05-2007, 09:13 AM

To The WWE Fans:

Knowing what we know about Chris Benoit, do you think he will ever get inducted to the WWE Hall of Fame?

Curious on everyone's opinion.

Curtis

07-05-2007, 02:21 PM

Hell no, he had a great career that was definitely hall of fame quality but after what he did, it takes away every accomplishment he achieved in his career.

Matt B.

07-05-2007, 06:01 PM

No I doubt it.
And also is it just meor has TNA gotten better than WWE now?

Curtis

07-05-2007, 06:53 PM

It's just you. ROH is awesome though. Chris Hero = :bang:

block02

07-10-2007, 07:39 AM

Here's my thoughts on RAW last night. Hopefully I'll be able to make a weekly thing out of this:

-Main event was rather enjoyable except 1)I was hoping for a better surprise partner than Jeff Hardy and 2)Kennedy jobs for the second straight week.

-Shelton/London was the match of the night. Hopefully Shelton will move back up to the level he was at last year. He's done well two straight weeks now and his backstage segments have been very entertaining as well. Would have liked to seen Kendrick; I prefer him over London for some reason. Oh well.

-The women's match was fun but it seemed like too much was thrown into one match with the return of Beth and the continuation of the Melina/Candice feud. Seemed a bit disjointed at times. I was also bothered when Mickie(God I want her to get the title back) ran in the ring and the three heels immediately cleared the ring....k.

-Tag match was pretty good. Cade and Murdoch have grown on me but they need a new finisher badly. I also love the hypocracy of the announcing here-when the heels do a double-team move its "un-sportsmanlike" but when the faces do it it's "taking advantage."

-For the love of God somebody fire Snitsky.

-The video packages of Cena and Lashley were very well-done I thought.

-But Triple H's return package was awesome. Can't wait for him to get back and take the title off Cena.

-Fucking loved the promo with Orton and Dusty. The bull rope match should be a lot of fun because no doubt there's gonna be some major blading. I'd also like to see Cody more, apparently he's known in OVW for his great promos and those reports are very right if his induction of his father this year was any indication.

-The IC title match was a re-hash of last week and therefore I couldn't get into i much, but Umaga's a lot of fun in any event.

-Sandman's match was a repeat of his match last week but that's not necessarily a complaint because 1)I dig Sandman for some reason, 2)It's always great to see Regal and with him being featured prominently two weeks in a row, maybe he'll get a big push(hey apparently Triple H is lobbying for that so why not?) and 3)Carlito was very entertaining on commentary.

Dr Zaius

07-13-2007, 03:15 PM

Cena v Lashley
Khali v Batista
Kane v Edge

GAB sounds like the most boring PPV ever.

Curtis

07-14-2007, 10:03 AM

Every GAB WWE has had since bringing it back has been horrible. I miss King of the Ring, change the July pay per view to that.

block02

07-14-2007, 10:10 AM

Can't be any worse than the '04 edition....but last year's was pretty decent. We got a good tag match, a fun match between Regal and Finlay(which of course the dumb-ass marks crapped all over) a nice CW match and Booker winning a world title.

Matt B.

07-16-2007, 05:46 PM

Fuck they need to fire Snitsky

Ignignot

07-16-2007, 06:59 PM

So I don't really know anything about wrestling but I won some RAW tix. Anything I should know?

Nebuchanezzar

07-16-2007, 07:21 PM

Bring a massive sign to the effect of "Die John Cena", and watch it be stolen from you by a hefty security guard.

Dr. Horrible

07-16-2007, 11:03 PM

or for that matter a sign that said die anyone because that's jsut fucking retarded

Nebuchanezzar

07-17-2007, 12:22 AM

I agree. Those "Die Rocky Die" signs always offended the hell out of me, because you know, when you say "Die someone die", or anything to that effect when it's shockingly obvious that it's nothing more than a figure of speech, then you're obviously a bloodythirsty, tactless piece of vermin.

Ignignot

07-17-2007, 09:32 AM

How about a Die Chris Benoit Sign?

Dr Zaius

07-17-2007, 02:50 PM

Hold a Superman cut-out with Cena's head attached on, or a cut-out of Cena with a speech bubble saying "I never back down blah blah blah".

Ignignot

07-17-2007, 04:39 PM

How about a John Cena sign and then ill smuggle in a marker and write sucks on it.

duffless89

07-17-2007, 04:48 PM

HUGE SD SPOILER:

And I'm not covering it because WWE have already said it on their website.

Edge has vacated the World Heavyweight Championship due to a pectoral muscle tear suffered last week. A Battle Royal will be held later tonight to determine a new champ.

duffless89

07-17-2007, 06:49 PM

And the winner of the match...
and... NEW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION... THE GREAT KHALI!

:LOL: I can't believe they put the belt on him, even if he does lose it at the PPV.

Nebuchanezzar

07-17-2007, 08:25 PM

How about a Die Chris Benoit Sign?

Well now that would just be silly!!! ;)

Dr Zaius

07-18-2007, 09:49 AM

Khali? May God have mercy on us all.

Matt B.

07-19-2007, 01:07 PM

Why the hell would WWE give away Smackdown's ending?
But in response to Great Khali: Fuck, WWE is really loosing it.

Matt B.

07-22-2007, 07:58 PM

Great American Bash Results:

United States Champion MVP def. Matt Hardy
Hornswoggle wins a Cruiserweight Open (new champion)
Carlito def. Sandman
Women's Champion Candice Michelle def. Melina
Intercontinental Champion Umaga def. Jeff Hardy
ECW World Champion John Morrison def. CM Punk
Randy Orton def. Dusty Rhodes (Texas Bull Rope Match)
World Heavyweight Champion The Great Khali def. Batista and Kane (Triple Threat Match)
WWE Champion John Cena def. Bobby Lashley

Dr Zaius

07-23-2007, 03:16 PM

FU off the top rope looked shit, not the least bit devastating. He just dropped him like a fireman's carry. Looked no different than pushing a guy off.

block02

07-24-2007, 05:37 PM

Awesome RAW last night. Some thoughts:

-King Booker fucking owns. I wasn't sure about the gimmick when it was first established, but I've since realized better. I just hope his feud with Triple H isn't a rehash of their feud in '03- ie-a one-sided domination by Triple H.

- Orton/Rhodes was better than their match last week. Cody is pretty impressive and he sells like a champ. It was pretty obvious Orton was gonna get the title match at Summerslam, but I still marked out like crazy when he hit the RKO on Cena. I'm pretty sure he's gonna be the guy who finally gets the belt off Cena and then drops it to Triple H. Hopefully Creative will be smarter this time and let Orton stay heel and not drop the belt to HHH until 'Mania.

-Kennedy and Jeff was incredible-Jeff's botch was fucking sick, but I'd like to see Kennedy win on RAW for once. It didn't bother me too much since it was a count-out loss and it was to Jeff Hardy, who I dig even though the IWC overrates the guy way too much(same could be said about Kennedy too.

-Londrick and WGTT was great too-even better than their match a few weeks ago. It would be awesome if both teams challenged Cade and Murdoch at Summerslam.

-Main event was pretty good, but it would have been a lot worse(Cena going clean over all three guys) Nice twist having Jeff attack Umaga. He'll probably get a ladder match at Summerslam.

duffless89

07-29-2007, 09:23 PM

The proposed Jackass angle at SummerSlam has been pulled, too. So that reduces the crapness of the show by several thousand points.

Dr Zaius

07-30-2007, 03:44 PM

What Jackass angle?

duffless89

07-30-2007, 07:06 PM

http://www.wweaffiliates.com/images/300x450sslam07.jpg

Dr Zaius

07-31-2007, 05:11 AM

Phew. I hate Jackass.

That was a great Raw. Not the usual stuff. Carlito and Kennedy both get big wins. The three-man promo to start off was great.
Last week I would have called Santino the most boring wrestler on the show, but he was on a fucking roll last night. I love his character with that overdone accent and the way he kept complaining even as Umaga was coming to beat his ass. Best shit I've seen on Raw for a long time.

Dr. Horrible

07-31-2007, 05:46 AM

"Pacman" Jones has signed with TNA....there goes it's remaining credibility

i hope he gets in a feu with frank wycheck

Ignignot

07-31-2007, 09:00 AM

block02

07-31-2007, 11:36 AM

Eh I liked last week a bit better. Cool to see Kennedy and Carlito get big wins, but Kennedy needs a finisher ASAP and Carlito/Cena was kinda meh.

Dr. Horrible

07-31-2007, 11:57 AM

kennedy has two finishers the kenton bomb and the greenbay plunge

Curtis

07-31-2007, 01:26 PM

Green Bay Plunge is pretty sweet from the turnbuckle.

block02

07-31-2007, 02:25 PM

When was the last time he really used them though? I can only think as recently as WrestleMania, when he attempted a Kenton and hit the GBP from the ladder.

Curtis

07-31-2007, 03:56 PM

Lashley is legit hurt thats why they had the injury angle last night. Fuckin' stoked.

robb

07-31-2007, 06:34 PM

so wait, isn't the great khali the big dude from the longest yard?

Matt B.

07-31-2007, 06:56 PM

Yes he is

robb

07-31-2007, 06:59 PM

weird.

is tatanka still embarrassing himself attempting a comeback?

duffless89

07-31-2007, 07:06 PM

weird.

is tatanka still embarrassing himself attempting a comeback?

No. He was released about 6 months ago.

robb

07-31-2007, 08:47 PM

that kinda sucks, i always liked him.

but the comeback was horrible. needed the red patch of hair.

block02

08-08-2007, 10:47 AM

Curious, I was wondering what everybody thinks of the John Morrison gimmick. Cos I fucking love it. I always said Hennigan needed to separate himself from the M-N-M look, and more importantly, from Melina. This gimmick does that and then some. The second the change was made, his stick work has become a lot more fun. It's certainly light-years ahead of that God-awful "press conference" last year.

Dr. Horrible

08-08-2007, 11:56 AM

i didnt like it at first...but he's running with it and its starting to grow on me, and his match against punk on ecw last nite was a joy to watch

btw all i'm not only goin to summerslam this year, but ill be at next week's raw/snme tapings so look to me for spoilers on tuesday or something

Matt B.

08-13-2007, 11:26 AM

WWE has reported that Brian "Crush" Adams has died.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/brianadamspasses1

block02

08-14-2007, 05:33 AM

Some RAW thoughts:

-No Trips. Dammit

-The whole "illegitimate child" angle is mostly doing nothing for me, but like the Idol segment, I got some chuckles out of it.

-The Idol segment was a bit time-consuming and rather pointless, yet it was surprisingly entertaining at the same time. Santino is growing on me as a heel.

-Kennedy looked pretty good, but the GBP still isn't doing it for me as a finisher.

-Tag match was decent, but where the fuck is Londrick? They've had what three matches since coming to RAW?

-Snitsky doesn't bother me as much if his matches remain under the one-minute mark.

-Cody Rhodes is still green, but other than the hideous ring-attire, he's doing all right.

-For the record, I would like to say this one more time: King Booker fucking owns. Royally.

-Orton actually cut a pretty good promo-a bit of a rarity for him.

-MSG was hot for the main event and I loved how 50/50 it was for Cena and Orton.

Jake

08-14-2007, 06:04 PM

Author reflects on Dewey Robertson's many struggles:

I knew this day would come. On Friday, I learned that Dewey Robertson,
known to millions as "The Missing Link," was hospitalized in Hamilton
with a recurrence of his cancer and not expected to last much longer.
As the one who wrote Dewey's autobiography, this news really hits
home.

Just thinking about what Dewey has already survived always made me
shake my head in wonder. He lost one kidney to cancer in 1993, most
likely due to his long use of anabolic steroids. There were his
addictions (marijuana being the worst), his manic-depressive
personality, his family issues, and his ability to drive people away.

Someone who knew Dewey far longer than I have once told me that Dewey
was like a puppy dog. He needed constant attention, might pee on your
carpet and chew up your slippers, but you couldn't help but feel
something for the big lug.

I knew very little about the history of professional wrestling when I
first met Dewey in 2000 and I had never heard of him or The Missing
Link. Something about his story intrigued me anyway, and I thought if
it caught my interest it would likely catch other people's -- whether
they were wrestling fans or not.

When Dewey and I began work on the book -- Bang Your Head! The Real
Story of the Missing Link, published in 2006 by ECW Press -- he was in
one of his low points. That's what happens with a manic-depressive.
One day they are on top of the world, and on the next day, the world
is about to end.

I have to be honest. Dewey was not an easy person to work with. He had
very definite ideas about what he wanted in the book, though this
would change from week to week. He didn't want me to put his age or
any dates that might hint to people how old he really was. (He's 68,
but don't tell him I told you.) It was hard to get a straight answer
out of him about the simplest things -- it always came out like he was
giving a lecture at one of his 12-step meetings. Anyone who's tried to
interview him, or even talk to him, knows what I mean. I had to
convince him that he should write about his wrestling career too, that
people would want to hear about much more than just his recovery from
addictions.

Dewey had no income other than government assistance and odd jobs he
did for friends, so I held a series of temporary and part-time jobs
for income while writing the book. We started in the summer of 2000
and I finally got it finished in the spring of 2004.

His personal life was always in flux. If he wasn't fighting with
someone in his immediate family, he was on the outs with his on-and-
off girlfriend, and there was always a new "best friend" who was
helping him understand things about himself that would make the book
so much better -- and then a month later he wouldn't be speaking to
that person anymore. I knew why. Dewey had a way of using people up.
It took a lot of time and energy to be his confidante, and I probably
knew that better than anybody. Dewey went back to smoking marijuana
occasionally and was hospitalized several times during the writing of
the book as well.

Dewey remembered very little about his career on his own. I would have
to do months of research in secondary sources and try to check it with
him, and sometimes that would jog his memory and I'd get some good
stories out of him. But I was never sure how much of it he really
remembered.

There were plenty of times I was ready to quit. He wasn't paying me so
I wouldn't owe him anything if the project never got finished, and I
got tired of being in the eye of the emotional storm always swirling
around Dewey: the bouts of mania followed by depression, the anger and
the distrust. To this day I'm not sure how I hung in there as long as
I did. Maybe I just wanted to be able to say I was the one who got the
damn book finished after 12 years of him working on it.

I also admired Dewey's candor about his alcohol and drug use and
particularly his willingness to admit in print that he'd used anabolic
steroids. A lot of wrestlers won't. They'll tell you what other people
did but not themselves.

Dewey told me many times that the goal of writing his life story kept
him going during the darkest years of his life, after his marriage had
ended and his physical and mental health began deteriorating from
years of excessive drug use. I'm glad I was able to help Dewey achieve
that goal and that he's had this past year to live his dream of
sharing his life story with the world. In the end, that made it all
worthwhile.

block02

08-15-2007, 01:21 PM

Wow, Hennigan was really off last night. The promo wasn't all that great(he's way better when he keeps a cool, cocky tone instead of screaming)and he botched bigtime twice with the corkscrew and the springboard kick. But I read the match at S.N.M.E is really good and I still have very high hopes for the match with Punk at Summerslam.

duffless89

08-15-2007, 05:12 PM

But I read the match at S.N.M.E is really good and I still have very high hopes for the match with Punk at Summerslam.

For those unitiated with the situation, SNME was taped right after RAW and spoilers are out there, so be careful if you don't wanna know what happens.

Dr Zaius

08-22-2007, 03:12 PM

Looks increasingly unlikely that Orton will win at SS. He went twice over Cena, on SNME and again on Raw.

block02

08-22-2007, 04:53 PM

Still got my hopes though. The "whoever gets the last laugh before the PPV will job" thing has been disproven a few times. A couple that come to mind are Eddie pinning Brock before winning the WWE title at No Way Out and Batista consistently dominating Triple H before winning the World Title at WM 21.

Dr Zaius

08-23-2007, 03:29 PM

Yeah, but Cena's got a new T-shirt out. I'm sure they'll figure they wont sell as many with him NOT as champ.

Dr. Horrible

08-23-2007, 08:28 PM

actually theyll probably sell more with him chasing the belt

block02

08-24-2007, 06:56 AM

Personally, I find a babyface chasing a title much more entertaining than one who has the title for such a long time(unless that person is Batista). Look at Steve Austin. He spent much more time going after the title than actually having the title and it even created the main focal point of the Attitude Era: Austin/McMahon. Bottom line: people typically get tired of somebody being champ for a long time: eg: Nash in '95, Michaels in '96, Triple H from '02-'03. JBL's reign, and of course Cena now. His run will pass the one-year mark in September. Know who was the last person to hold that title for over a year? Randy Savage. That's right, John fucking Cena will have had the belt for longer than Savage if he keeps it for over a month. Fucking sickening.

Curtis

08-26-2007, 08:57 PM

What a horrible show Summerslam was. All the matches were short. The main event which had been built up well was a huge let down. The crowd was white hot throughout which at least gave the show some entertainment value. Match by Match breakdown:

Kane def. Fit Finlay in a largely forgettable contest. After watching Kane job so much and his character be destroyed he just doesn't do anything for me anymore. D+

Umaga def. Kennedy and Carlito to retain the IC Title in a match that was a big letdown. It seemed like a routine match you would see on Raw. These three could perform so I was disappointed as I expected a much better showing. Kennedy continues to do jobs. I don't get why? The guy is a heel but the crowd loves him because he oozes charisma and attitude like Austin did in 97. WWE needs to get behind this guy. C-

Rey (Silver Surfer) def. Chavo in a good enjoyable match. I would say this was match of the night, although thats not saying much considering the other shit we were treated to. Rey seemed a little bit out of shape and had a gut, also he was covered in silver paint?!? But like I said solid match. B-

Beth won the Divas Battle Royal to become the #1 Contender for the Women's Title. Who cares? Boring match then again I hate womens wrestling. F

John Morrison def. CM Punk to retain the ECW Title... What the fuck! Punk has lost to Morrison three straight time on pay per view. This was supposed to be his big win. Punk said if he lost to Morrison he would not challenge him again for the title so uh WHAT THE FUCK. Punk looks like a bitch out of this. The match ended abruptly and seemed awkward. REALLY disappointed with this match. C-

Triple H def. King Booker, no surprise there. I was happy to see the muttonchops were gone and Trips was surprisingly cut and not big like before but like in shape circa 2000 plus no more of those god damn muttonchops, so thats a plus. Forgettable match that was to short. C

Batista def. Khali via DQ. Khali retains the World Heavyweight Title in a horrid match. The fans were chanting boring, loudly. Horrible boring ass match. Khali needs to drop the title NOW. F

John Cena def. Randy Orton to retain the WWE Title. Cena overcame the odds again. Orton was in control most of the match with Cena hitting spot moves throughout. The crowd was heavily against Cena everytime he got any offense they boo'd like crazy and cheered everytime Orton got a move in. Orton's rest holds really made this match boring. Cena did his same old shit as well. This match was underwhelming and the finish was the same as every other pay per view this year. It's always great to see the WWE champion holding up his belt at the end of the night in the second biggest pay pew view of the year getting 0 pop. C-

Overall: D+

Not one title changed hands and besides MAYBE the Rey-Chavo match none of them are worth a rewatching. WWE disappointed.

D DEBBS

08-27-2007, 09:59 AM

Don't know if any of you heard this on your local news channels: Nick Bollea, Terry 'hulk' Hogan's son, was seriously injured in a car crash yesterday.

He drove too fast and crashed his car right into a palm tree-the passenger who was riding with Nick is in critical condition.

Dr Zaius

08-27-2007, 03:47 PM

I hate that kid, but ah well, get better.

Can't believe Cena retained. I really hoped for Orton to get the belt off him (and I really hate Orton). During the match King commented that "it's great" that half the crowd is for Cena and half the crowd is for Orton. Randy gets built up as the most sadistic heel on Raw and they act like it's a good thing that he gets cheered.
What's worse is how the WWE won't let us haters speak out. Any anti-Cena signs get removed and they forcefeed us his Superman title reign. Pure Nazism. Cena's Hitler.

Damn good to see HHH back. I noticed as well that he looks to be in better shape, though I wouldn't agree he's back to his year 2000 shape when I thought he had the best physique in the business.

Santino sickened me as a babyface but now I find him to be the second best thing on Raw, next to Kennedy. Both are such natural talkers. Santino had me rolling last night when he said to Vince "Oh my papaaaa." Gold. Regal dancing with Crime Time was great comedy, too.

block02

08-27-2007, 08:39 PM

Sorry I've been gone for a while I had to move back to school...getting my Bachelor's Degree in December btw.......damn damn damn Cena retains again. Seems that alot of Summerslam was rushed but oh well. RAW was meh.

duffless89

08-27-2007, 09:43 PM

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s69/kok_18/Moneymoneyyeahyeah.gif

Dancing Regal FTW

D DEBBS

08-28-2007, 08:45 AM

RAW wasn't on last night (had Law and Odor SVU)-what happened?

smyce

08-28-2007, 08:55 AM

It was on Spike.

Dr Zaius

08-28-2007, 09:36 AM

I'll say it again. Damn good to see HHH back.

Seeing Cena with the belt infuriates me so much now I want to throw something at the TV everytime he comes on. But I did like the ending to Raw, Randy kicking Cena's dad in the head. Great heel-ness.

D DEBBS

08-29-2007, 09:34 AM

So, is RAW now back on Spike on Mondays, or was that a one-time deal?

Dr. Horrible

08-29-2007, 09:44 AM

no raw was on sci fi last week, it will beback on usa this week...fucking tennis

also orton's kick on johnny fabulous finally made that shit look real

block02

08-30-2007, 08:24 PM

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1188514862.shtml

Man if this is true WWE is in some very deep shit.

D DEBBS

08-31-2007, 09:09 AM

^

To quote C. Montgomery Burns: Yes, you're in deep d'oh now.

Dr Zaius

08-31-2007, 03:37 PM

Booker's real name is Robert?

block02

09-02-2007, 02:20 PM

K I was gonna put a spoiler tag around this but since wwe.com basically spoiled it anyway(why do they keep doing this?) I'll just tell anybody who doesn't already know that C.M. Punk beat John Morrison for the ECW Title at last night's ECW/Smackdown taping.

duffless89

09-02-2007, 05:41 PM

Also, on a pre-taped edition of RAW, Jeff Hardy defeated Umaga to win the WWE Intercontinental Championship.

Note: It was a spoiler when I originally typed it, but it's been broadcast now.

Dr Zaius

09-09-2007, 11:12 AM

Apparently Booker has quit after being suspended :(

duffless89

09-10-2007, 07:33 PM

Meet the newest McMahon...

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/hornswoggle/photos1/2007photos/090707horns3.jpg

Hornswoggle!

No, this is not a joke.

block02

09-10-2007, 08:38 PM

Yeah that'll fucking attract ratings.

Dr Zaius

09-11-2007, 04:21 AM

I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand, it's a dissapointment. The biggest storyline of the year and they turn it into a joke. On the other hand, I'm just glad it isn't a big-name superstar who's career potentially could be ruined from such an angle.

Dr. Horrible

09-11-2007, 08:02 AM

.....at least he's not on steroids

D DEBBS

09-11-2007, 08:53 AM

Hornswaggle...

Three little words...

JUMP THE SHARK!

tim

09-13-2007, 11:23 AM

wait wait wait

you're trying to tell me that WILLIAM REGAL was on steroids? all that time? jesus, that guy looked older and weaker than ric flair.

block02

09-15-2007, 08:34 AM

Time for Unforgiven predictions:

WWE Tag Titles MVP and Matt Hardy just won the belts a few weeks ago and the heel/face champ dynamic should be given more time to develop so when they do lose the titles both guys will come out looking stronger. The Greasers will job.

World Tag Titles Cade and Murdoch have had the belts for a while so it's time for a change of scenery. Londrick will win the tag titles.

Women's Title Candice really hasn't done much with the belt so if WWE is planning on making her the next Trish, she really needs a successful title defense. She'll go over Beth.

ECW Title Considering this one has had one week of buildup don't expect a title change. The Punker will go over Burke.

Undertaker vs. Mark Henry If I ever read the words "Mark Henry defeated Undertaker" I will shoot myself in the head.

Triple H vs. Carlito Why the hell is this the gimmick match? It's an ignorant gimmick as well. I see the finish being something like Carlito trying to hit HHH with the sledge but end up eating a Pedigree.

World Title I don't know what's worse: Khali as champ or the fact that Batista has been in every PPV title match for the past four fucking months. In any event, Rey hasn't been back long enough and Batista won't get it now if he hasn't yet so we'll have to endure The Great Empty for a while longer.

WWE Title Man I have been loving the buildup for this one. I don't think Orton's name was on the list of suspended wrestlers so that should all but confirm the fact that he'll finally get the title. Hopefully he'll get more than one month this time. He should keep the belt until 'Mania where he drops it to Triple H.

Dr Zaius

09-16-2007, 10:54 AM

Seems to me every Batista PPV match of recent times the crowd has chanted "boring".

Dr. Horrible

09-16-2007, 11:56 AM

Seems to me every Batista match the crowd has chanted "boring".

fixed it for ya ;)

Dr Zaius

09-17-2007, 03:49 AM

I'll take him as Champ over Khali, though. That's one good news from Unforgiven.

The Champ is still here. Officially one year that he's held the belt. I won't even bother complaining anymore.

duffless89

09-23-2007, 04:39 PM

So... what about that wedding? Good time was had by all I say.

Well, except poor old Teddy Long.

block02

09-24-2007, 11:10 AM

Well Cena's run passed the number of days Randy Savage was champ today. Feel that breeze? Yeah that's Hell freezing over.

Dr. Horrible

09-24-2007, 03:07 PM

and yet the money cena made wwe eclipsed macho's a long time ago...go figure

block02

09-25-2007, 08:03 AM

and Savage had more wrestling skill and ring psychology in his pinky than Cena could ever dream of amassing.

shark_vs_gorilla

09-25-2007, 12:56 PM

soooo any thoughts about what really looked like a Chris Jericho return promo? I know i dismissed it as a Cyber Sunday promo origionally but after reading and watching it again it's clear that someone is making a return about 8 sec in you can hear "I'm back" I really DO hope that it's Jericho WWE could really use him now more than ever

Dr. Horrible

09-25-2007, 01:33 PM

embedded in there is also the date 7oct which is no mercy

shark_vs_gorilla

09-25-2007, 02:34 PM

ther's also a frame taht just reads _fs.h which sorta looks like "y2j" upside down. not sure if that's a relivent stretch or just some computer code jargon i dont understand lol

block02

09-25-2007, 04:17 PM

There was also a 222 in there or 2/22 which happens to be on a Friday and I believe JR said recently if Jericho ever did return it would be early '08 and on Smacky.

I hope he returns sooner than that and on Raw, but if he came back period I would fucking lose it. I'm seriously that would be the best thing to happen to WWE in quite some time.

shark_vs_gorilla

09-25-2007, 04:20 PM

when did JR say that ref Jericho in 08 and on smackdown? either way both shows could really bennefit from Y2J's return and yeah i hope its sooner than later too

block02

09-25-2007, 04:44 PM

I think it was on one of his blogs.

shark_vs_gorilla

09-25-2007, 04:59 PM

ahhh ok i cant find it but i'll take your word for it (i only really looked through this past years archives, then i got bored)

Of course even if that was the plan origionally things are so sporadic and constatnly changing in WWE that statement may not be accurate anymore

Dr. Horrible

09-25-2007, 06:27 PM

jericho will be back at no mercy

robb

09-25-2007, 07:34 PM

why did he leave in the first place?

shark_vs_gorilla

09-26-2007, 05:43 AM

if memory serves me right i think he was feeling a little burnt out at the time or something along those lines.

Dr Zaius

09-29-2007, 08:54 AM

Does anyone else get seriousy disturbed by Big Daddy V's tits?

shark_vs_gorilla

09-29-2007, 10:25 AM

I do *shudders* some people really should be required to wear a shirt.

shark_vs_gorilla

10-02-2007, 01:05 PM

Hate to double post but this is pretty big. Last night on Raw, Cena tore his right pec and will be out for 6-8 months. No idea what this is going to mean for Raw or No Mercy but it really could not have come at a worse time for WWE.

block02

10-02-2007, 03:06 PM

Damn you beat me to it. Well here's a link anyway:

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1191356281.shtml

Dr Zaius

10-03-2007, 01:16 PM

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

shark_vs_gorilla

10-03-2007, 05:39 PM

Damn two days after WWE loses Cena, this happens to TNA's Kurt Angle:

"According to a press release issued by the Moon Township Police Department (Allogheni County, PA), a motorist reported that a white Cadillac Escalade had just pulled out of a local bar and nearly stuck their vehicle. The whitness observed Angle's vehicle cross over double yellow lines and nearly hit a street sign along the road as it travelled down the highway.

The motorist gave police officers the registration information of the vehicle and a description of the driver. Police then learned the vehicle was registered to Kurt Angle, a local resident.

Police visited the home of Kurt Angle and found the white Cadillac Escalade in the driveway. Angle matched the description of the driver in question and he confirmed he had just left the bar where the whitness saw him. After submitting to and failing a feel sobriety test, Angle was arrested and transported to a local hospital. At the hospital, Angle failed to take a blood test.

Angle was then taken to the police station, processed and released. He will be ordered to appear before the Magistrate at a future date for a Preliminary Hearing."

Dr. Horrible

10-03-2007, 06:08 PM

i dont know how you can really be happy that cena injured himself

Curtis

10-03-2007, 06:53 PM

Cause we don't like watching him every week. I'm glad Raw is now Lashley and Cena-less I might start watching regularly again.

shark_vs_gorilla

10-03-2007, 07:04 PM

how bout you realise that Cena IS a human being? You may not like watching him and that's fine that's your opinion. But to be joyful that he has suffered a big injury is just assholic.

smyce

10-03-2007, 07:38 PM

i guess i dont understand why people dislikes cena. the guy sets the mood for the entire arena in whatever city he enters. i went to the raw show a few months back when cena missed the show for larry king alive. everyone was pissed he wasnt there, even the cena haters. i dont see how anyone who likes the product can think cena is in anyway bad for wwe. hes not the best wrestler, but hes not the worst either. its not like we are having to sit through hulk hogan and leg drops. the ratings will go down and people like curtis and zaius will rejoice. but overall, wwe will suffer without wrestlers like cena.

shark_vs_gorilla

10-04-2007, 06:50 AM

Wow that's a really good argument. I've been trying to formulate a good pro-Cena argument but I think you make the best points that I've seen in the Cena debate. Bravo to you my friend

Dr. Horrible

10-04-2007, 07:08 AM

and yet i made this same point two months ago...

shark_vs_gorilla

10-04-2007, 07:14 AM

oops sorry I didnt think to actually look back through the thread. I know you've been pro Cena as well just forgot you made said point. no hard feelings i hope.

block02

10-04-2007, 08:46 AM

K here's my take: as much as I despise Cena as a performer, I have nothing but respect for him as a person. I was very adamant about him dropping the belt and I'm very glad we will get a new champ Sunday, but believe me I would much rather preferred him dropping it in a match as opposed to what actually happened. It is asinine for somebody to rejoice when an injury occurs to somebody they don't even know just because they don't want to see him with the title. In the words of Bart Simpson: "They're giving you thousands of hours of entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe you? If anything, you owe them."

Dr Zaius

10-05-2007, 05:29 AM

Hey, I didn't mean to appear heartless. I have loads of respect for Cena as a professional. From what I hear, he's a terrific guy. I agree with Block, I'd have rather seen him drop the title to someone than have to forfeit it through injury. (As a side note, it's obvious that wouldn't have happened any time soon. There was no way he would've lost at No Mercy with the beating he got on Raw.)

I got sick of Cena's superman run. He ran his way through everybody. HHH, HBK, Benoit, Kennedy, Lashley, Edge, Orton... Even guys who put together destroyed half the roster in the WWE - Khali and Umaga- jobbed to Cena. And it's all to keep the kids happy and have his T-shirts selling. I understand that from a marketing point of view, Cena is very important to the WWE and professionally it sucks for them that he's out but I'm of the 50% of the crowd that's tired of Cena and for more than a year got ignored and had our signs removed on TV. Despite it all, I remained a loyal viewer and I'm just happy as hell we'll be getting a new champion.