WWE Thread

[Dr. Horrible]

RIP John Tenta

http://www.toydreams.co.uk/images/wwf/loose/series3/earthquake.jpg

[D DEBBS]

^
Earthquake passed away?????

[bauer]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[sikkbones]

John "Earthquake" Tenta passes away
June 7, 2006

former WWF Wrestler John "Earthquake" Tenta passed away this morning at the age of 42 after a lengthy battle with bladder cancer. Tenta is survived by his wife and three kids.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/j/johntenta/12.jpg

[duffless89]

Damn, he was like a hero in the Wrestlecrap forums.

[bauer]

I'm marking out like a mad man.

[bauer]

What a fucking bullshit main event. Fuck this shit. I can't wait for Tuesday night so I don't have to watch this shit anymore. Hopefully Heyman has creative control of the ECW show, because he is going to need it.

[Matt B.]

I thought it was good. The battle royal was great

[D DEBBS]

Regarding Earthquake's death...DAMN!

[Nebuchanezzar]

Earthquake: Sadly, I've never actually heard of him. I'll accept it if I'm punched in the face for that reason.

Concerning Heyman and ECW: I also hope he has full creative control over everything at ECW. I also hope Stephanie McMahon falls down a set of stairs or something, so she can't interfere with Sir Heyman.

Sabu v Cena: I sincerely hope Sabu sandbags for Cena...that's the right phrase isn't it? You know, doesn't react to anything, and really gives Cena punishment.

[Lounge Fly]

Can you believe John Tenta was only 26 when he 'broke' Hogan's ribs?

Anyway, R.I.P Quake` you will be missed.

[Nebuchanezzar]

The ECW/WWE thing was fairly groovy eh?

*RVD v Mysterio : Some solid wrestling backed up by a fired up crowd. The ending was a little off (the handshaking) considering the attitude that they're meant to have with one another.

*Mickie v Jazz : It's good to see Jazz back again, but this match was far too short.

*The battle royal was decent, and the twist was entertaining enough. But I do have my worries about more WWE wrestlers joining ECW. I sincerely hope they don't head down the invasion path...

*Cenas promo was quite good, and actually made me like him a little bit. He has the potential to be great, it's a pity they hold him down.

*Edge v Dreamer: Nice match, that botched back body drop that Edge took looked painful, but it didn't seem too serious, thankfully. Foley and Funk taking to each other outside was also good. Foley's promo was excellent though, as per usual.

Cena v Sabu: Nice match, with Cena taking his fair share of punishment.

It was obvious that they were holding back tremendously in an effort to hype up ONS, which I probably will be buying. Other then that, it was a fine show. 9/10.

[D DEBBS]

To: Nebuchanezzar

You do realize that Stephanie's pregnant (due to give birth in July)-falling down a flight of stairs probably won't hurt her baby, since she's so far along, but I'm not an obstetrician, so I could be wrong.

[Dr. Horrible]

actually.....it would hurt her baby and could kill her baby and her depending on how she fell

[bauer]

To: Nebuchanezzar

You do realize that Stephanie's pregnant (due to give birth in July)-falling down a flight of stairs probably won't hurt her baby, since she's so far along, but I'm not an obstetrician, so I could be wrong.
Oh my GOD. Stop posting!!!!!

[Mira]

Hooray for ECW being back, I really don't think it's going to last very long but still, it will most likely be way better than the crap on Raw and Smackdown. The only way I could possibly get into those shows again is if Jericho and Christian came back. And holy crap, ECW is coming to Philly June 24th, I need tickets for this.

also, the news about Earthquake does suck majorly, shit I'm still kinda bummed out about Eddie Guerrero. :\

[rickey]

To: Gravymaster

You should be nicer to the mentally retarded.

[Dr. Horrible]

To: rickey

Stop being the mentally retarded.

[rickey]

look in the mirror lately? OSNAP ;)

[bauer]

I'll close this thread right now.

[rickey]

dude not the WWE thread

[Lizard Queen]

rickey, don't fuck up this thread.

I remember way back, when Earthquake was billed as the Canadian Earthquake - good times. Does anyone remember him teamed with Typhoon, or Dino Bravo? Fuck I'm old!

[sikkbones]

actually.....it would hurt her baby and could kill her baby and her depending on how she fell

anyone seen the omen this week?
why oh why couldn't Steph give birth to damien.. wait maybe she will...

[Lounge Fly]

anyone seen the omen this week?
why oh why couldn't Steph give birth to damien.. wait maybe she will...

did damien have a big nose?

[Voodoo Monkey]

He had a big tongue, does that count?

[sikkbones]

did damien have a big nose?
dammit we need to photoshop HHH's body onto damiens head.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Yes, shut it down and rename it the wrestling thread. With the name being "WWE", it shats on TNA, ECW and other great wrestling federations...maybe not, I'm just posting for the sake of it.

You do realize that Stephanie's pregnant (due to give birth in July)-falling down a flight of stairs probably won't hurt her baby, since she's so far along, but I'm not an obstetrician, so I could be wrong.

Silence, sub-ordinate.

[bauer]

Yes, shut it down and rename it the wrestling thread. With the name being "WWE", it shats on TNA, ECW and other great wrestling federations...maybe not, I'm just posting for the sake of it.

Nah, I hear ya. I was actually thinking about that today. We'll see how it goes over the next couple of days, but expect some change to the wrestling part of this forum.

[D DEBBS]

NEBUCHANEZZAR: Silence, sub-ordinate.

Tyrant...kitty....KILL!!!

(and when you're done, you can lap up Gravy Master!)

[bauer]

D DEBBS: No one understands your posts.

[Lizard Queen]

wrestling: thread

stop: posting like this

D: DEBBS

You know what VS. was lacking? A scrap between Jim Ross and and Joey Styles.

[Dr. Horrible]

hey now styles slapped the hat of jr's head and they had a decent verbal battle

i have a feeling joey is gonna slap the piss out of lawler at ons

[Spartan]

i laughed my ass off at that during the "scrum" they had.

after his ten gallon hat was disposed of, JR could be heard to say something to the effect of "you dirty bastard"

[D DEBBS]

To: Lizard Queen

Oh, pick, pick, pick!

GRANDPA: Oh, bitch, bitch, bitch!

[Dr Zaius]

If this continues I'll post a picture of Perry Saturn naked.

[sikkbones]

If this continues I'll post a picture of Perry Saturn naked.
i have worse... i have pictures of a very pregnant Stephanie mcmahon in less clothes than she should be modestly wearing.

[bauer]

i have worse... i have pictures of a very pregnant Stephanie mcmahon in less clothes than she should be modestly wearing.
Post them, man, post them!

[sikkbones]

Nah, I hear ya. I was actually thinking about that today. We'll see how it goes over the next couple of days, but expect some change to the wrestling part of this forum.


a wrestling sub forum with diffrent threads for Total Nonstop ACrapTion, Extremely Crappy Wrestling and WWE?

[bauer]

a wrestling sub forum with diffrent threads for Total Nonstop ACrapTion, Extremely Crappy Wrestling and WWE?
Nah, I was thinking more of a general thread. And don't ever refer to ECW as such again, mark.

[Dr. Horrible]

indeed

[D DEBBS]

Let's see the naked Perry Saturn pics!

BEAVIS: Uh....heh...heh...heh...does Saturn has Uranus?

[Matt B.]

The ratings are in for the WWE VS. ECW are in. It got a 3.1 cable rating with a 5 share. The show did hours of 2.9 and 3.3.

WWE VS ECW RATINGS (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18468&p=1)

[Nebuchanezzar]

That's quite good then, indeed.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5650/jrhatslap8wo0ny.gif - Copied from the signiture of a member on the website in my signiture.

[Curtis]

tonight im going to some indy show (my first indy show) and supposedly it features some of the best guys in the underground circuit. Then tomorrow night im going to a friends to watch One Night Stand, Should be fun!

[Nebuchanezzar]

Have fun at the indy show. I've actually never been to one, as the wrestling in Australia, whilst very decent, is hard to find.

Why was Curtis banned (temporarily?)?

[bauer]

Why was Curtis banned (temporarily?)?
Victim of the modern age, I guess.
http://www.rupyb.com/images/articles/clockwork/darth_big.jpg

[Nebuchanezzar]

Ah how I love that movie. The worlds finest example of directing, and it was snubbed of an academy award by the lacklustre French Connection. Stanley Kubrick must be rolling around in his grave.

[Dr Zaius]

:LOL: This has to be seen to be believed.
Robocop in WCW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3sIFaAFtFQ&search=sting%3B%20robocop)

[bauer]

I remember that. They also had Chucky, too, but that was much later than Robocop. They had him come out to permote Bride of Chucky on Nitro.

[bauer]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/feature/29062/2898428
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Horrible]

....................something smells fishy

[Matt B.]

Vince will probably give the belt back to Cena but Paul will still give RVD the ECW title.

[bauer]

....................something smells fishy
What do you mean? I thought we all saw this coming from a mile away. RVD wins the belt and renames it the ECW championship, ala Shane Douglas. That's what I thought would happen, anyhow.

Tuesday night can't come quick enough.

[bauer]

You know what this means, though. Raw is without a champion. Tournament time.

[Matt B.]

I think it may be the end of the brand extension if RVD keeps it.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I'm shocked that they let the title that they screwed Bret Hart for, drift off to ECW. I have a feeling this reign won't last long, but ECW will keep it perse and rename it the ECW championship, with the WWE championship somehow coming back to RAW.

Great news though!

[Dr. Horrible]

a) thyere not ending the brand extention
b) heyman isn't a real ref.......hecne the fishy smell
c) edge is technically number one contender for the belkt rvd holds for vengeance

[sikkbones]

has Extremely Crappy Wrestling had their PPV yet.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Hur....Hur hur hur.

[bauer]

has Extremely Crappy Wrestling had their PPV yet.
Have you ever even watched ECW?

[Dr. Horrible]

has Extremely Crappy Wrestling had their PPV yet.

die. quickly.

[Dr Zaius]

has Extremely Crappy Wrestling had their PPV yet.

sukkbones = JBL in disguise.


I thought that was a pretty boring PPV. Nothing compared to last year's ONS. I have absolutely no idea what they'll do now. I don't think it's right to christen the WWF Championship the ECW belt, for the same reasons Cena gave. It's been held by WWF greats. Give 'em Mysterio's belt, that's been held by Arquette.

[Lounge Fly]

I expeted Mysterio to lose & that become the ECW title if the brand split was ending. As things stand im expecting them to give the WW title back to cena & announce Heyman wasnt an offical..or something along those line to the utter distaste of everyone as usual.

[Dr. Horrible]

the brand split will not end people...it will cause more problems than it solves

[thecapecoddah]

what's this, a text message from the fat man?

"yo dx reforms tonight man book it"

k.

[Dr. Horrible]

haha

dx will probably happen next week....after trips gets taken out tonite

[Nebuchanezzar]

the brand split will not end people...it will cause more problems than it solves

I disagree. There simply isn't the sheer amount of talent there was when they created the brand extention to justify continuing it. The ratings of both shows are suffering as a result of their lack of talent (especially Smackdown), and infusing the shows with new characters from different shows would create a wealth of new opportunities. There is the possibility that there wouldn't be the time and space for developing new characters for a while, but once all the new feuds die down there's plenty of room to develop younger wrestlers.

[Dr. Horrible]

so u want to see vince mcmahon dominate both shows?

because if the brand extention were to end, thats what would happen

[bauer]

Suck it.

[Spartan]

so u want to see vince mcmahon dominate both shows?

because if the brand extention were to end, thats what would happen

that's a bad thing?

[Nebuchanezzar]

Damn right. Vince happens to have more charisma and mic skills than any other superstar in the WWE at this time, except maybe HBK. Is it Vince's fault he's more exciting to listen to then Carlito or any other new superstar? No. Damnit, he's exciting.

[bauer]

I think Mikel was talking about Vince McMahon the head of writers/bookers, not the character "Mr. McMahon".

[Nebuchanezzar]

Maybe. Vince does book both shows, but writes neither right? I mean, he has the ultimate deciding role in what happens and who does what, but most stuff is done without his direct control. That's what I thought the story was anyway.

[Dr. Horrible]

i was actually referring to both...the way i see it, if they combined the rosters, you would have dx running roughsot over all the heels in the wwe....this isn't 98 anymore, the dx angle is going to be effective for about a month, after that it will start to get old...but theyre gonna keep it going until at least summerslam where the culmination will be dx vs the mcmahons, vince and shane get taken off tv...new gm coach steps in...dx eventually breaks up and feuds...until rumble probably, gives a face trips just enough time to weasel his way back into wrestlemania 23's main event where he will win the title from oh let's say edge

also if the rosters combine, the mcmahon segments that have been "highlighting" every raw, will now also be on smackdown, so the great king booker angle they have going will be pushed to midcard...finlay, lashley, regal, and all the other guys that have been turning in good matches on sd will be either curtain jerkers or kept off the show completely....and if the rosters combine with ecw being taped the same night as the smackdown tapings you might as well call ecw the nwo, because won't hesistate to use them in every single show ever...

so that's why i don't think the rosters should rejoin, the split has created more stars than you think...would guys like edge, christian, booker, lashley, carlito, shelton, rey, eddie, and benoit have ever been given a shot if the rosters hadn't split? i sincerely doubt it, as the shows would have been dominated by vince and his family

[Nebuchanezzar]

Fortunately for most, the bulk of the fans of the WWE today did not watch the WWF in 1997. I think the DX angle could last a bit longer than a month, and even so, those of us who have seen the material before could still take it much longer than a month. Remember, Edge's title reign was a month, it flew by.

While I agree that a brand extension would be bad for those that enjoy the great wrestling it has produced...

It's a sad fact that good wrestling, by and large does not make a lot of money for big companies. Casual fans don't want to see chain wrestling, nor do they want to see technical matches with a few spotfests. They want to see a standard progression with lots of badass moves. Why else do casual fans focus only on the chokeslams, SCM's and stunners when they should be focusing on the quality of the links between those moves, or the great gradual pace in that match.

It's another sad fact that most of the good wrestlers on Smackdown (Benoit, Regal, Finlay, Booker) do not really have a personality in the ring that stands out, with the exception of Booker T. When simple wrestlers with catchy personalities like Kane, McMahon, Cena and Batista that have almost no skill in the type of wrestling I mentioned above can grab the casual fans attention faster and easier, then that's who is going to come to the forefront of the WWE.

I'm not making a general point there, I'm just offering my views on a few things.

[bauer]

Maybe. Vince does book both shows, but writes neither right? I mean, he has the ultimate deciding role in what happens and who does what, but most stuff is done without his direct control.
He has writers, of course, but he ultimately decides which way the angles go, who gets the huge pushes and who gets snubbed. So you know, he oversees everything.

[bauer]

Just a quick heads up, with ECW premiering tonight, it now has its own thread. Try to keep all things related to WWE in this thread and all things related to ECW in that thread. Obviously there will be some crossing over, but try to keep your comments in the correct threads.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Hmmm, I just watched RAW. It was excellent IMO. However a big problem is emerging. Internet fans who, by and large, weren't around to see the original D-Generation-X are already bashing it for being one dimensional, stale and boring. I'm already quite annoyed by the negative reaction to the reunion that has been displayed already. Has anyone else noticed this?

I'm estatic about, I loved every minute of RAW this week.

[Dr. Horrible]

WWWii Smash Brothers (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4005512637761601588)

Pikachu layin some smackdown

[sikkbones]

anyone know if ECW is anywhere in CANADA?

[Dr. Horrible]

we dont discuss that federation in here.......take it to the right forum slapass

[bauer]

anyone know if ECW is anywhere in CANADA?
RIGHT AFTER I say we have two seperate threads now. Fuck! Read before you post!!!!!

[Lounge Fly]

Is anyone else over the fucking moon at RVD kicking Cena's ass the other night?

EDIT: I can say that here, i mean Cena being a Raw superstar right?

[bauer]

EDIT: I can say that here, i mean Cena being a Raw superstar right?
Oh, shut up, that's fine. I'm just saying, keep each in its own thread. PPVs with mixed stars if perfectly fine. Sikk got warned because he doesn't read before he posts and is mildly retarded.

[Lounge Fly]

June 14, 2006
Story By: Steve Carrier
Credit: WrestlingObserver.com

David Lagana has now been replaced as the lead writer for SmackDown by Alex Greenfield and will now be moved over to being a writer for the new ECW brand.



...Looks like Smackdown is sticking around for a while then..atleast until the TV contract expires?

[Jeremy]

SD is definitely sticking around, and since it's the best weekly wrestling show on national TV, I want it to last as long as possible. Both the show and the streak of good wrestling matches each week. To anyone wondering, the Figure Four Weekly Newsletter site lists Goldust's release being due to no-shows.

[Dr Zaius]

There's shouldn't be an ECW thread, now this one's gonna die. A unified wrestling thread woulda been much better.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Yeah, I suppose. Oh well, what are you gonna do eh?

I quite enjoyed Smackdown this week. It's been the first one I've watched in months. JBL is quite the apt announcer.

[bauer]

There's shouldn't be an ECW thread, now this one's gonna die. A unified wrestling thread woulda been much better.
There is a seperate ECW thread because I am a fucking ECW mark and got excited about it. If this one dies because all the wrestling discussion switches to ECW, so be it. I don't see that happening though. Talk about DX, folks ;)

[Nebuchanezzar]

HBK has barely said a word. I watched the press conference and the ad break on WWE.com, and the furthest he went into the vulgar area was the word "buttock". HHH has been handling all the humourous stuff well though, the press conference was pretty funny.

I just hope they don't spoil it by adding some other douchebag into the mix like Carlito, X-Pac or Justin Credible.

[Lounge Fly]

HBK must have been seriously fucked up in a whole manner of ways to end up a born again-christian.

[Dr Zaius]

I just hope they don't spoil it by adding some other douchebag into the mix like Carlito, X-Pac or Justin Credible.

Or Orton.

[Nebuchanezzar]

HBK must have been seriously fucked up in a whole manner of ways to end up a born again-christian.

It is odd that someone so...non-Christian could end up being a Christian. I reckon he'll crack by Summerslam, and I don't think that God is overly concerned with people telling other people to "Suck It" without actually meaning it.

[Dr. Horrible]

are you ready..............for naked midget ass???????

i know i am, shawn and hunter were on the ball tonight

[Lizard Queen]

I'm sorry, but I don't want DX back. They were fun - way back when...but leave it in the past. It's old - it's over. It totally fucks up my love for Triple H - it's hard to be the King of Kings when you're acting like a frat boy. Too bad, I was really hot for Triple H; but I'll always have my fantasies...

Now I have no choice but to turn my infatuations towards Randy Orton - who sucks ass, but is sexy.

[Nebuchanezzar]

but leave it in the past. It's old - it's over.

That's strange, because from what I can ascertain from watching RAW, something along the lines of 100% of the audience jumps up and down in hysterics everytime DX gets a mention. It's not old, it's not over, it's great.

As for leaving it in the past, that same 100% of the audience probably has something along the lines of 2/3's of their number composed of fans who came around after 1998. Those fans probably haven't got videos of the old DX, and thus would be experiencing it for the first time.

[Jeremy]

It's over, but it isn't great. DX was already partially absurd when it happened since you had 30+ year old guys acting like teens, and now one of them is over 40, the other is nearing it, and this stuff is NINE YEARS OLD. Hell, Kenny was TEN when DX was first around. Last night's show did expose just how underlyingly gay the team is. Today's Figure 4 radio show went point-by-point on just how gay it is.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Generic DX fan #18537

They're flashing signs of DX, this is gonna be great> DX is back, yay! > it was kinda sucky > I hope it doesn't last very long, cause it sucked.

-----

See the hypocricy? See the idiocy? They also happen to be the type of fan that bad mouths everything that the WWE does, so naturally I can't hold that type of fans opinion in the absolute highest regard. Alas, get over it people, you wanted DX and a near perfect DX is what you got. There's subtle differences between this one and the one in 1997, such as the blindfolded HBK, but if they had been exactly the same those fans would have complained about that too. I enjoyed RAW, I've enjoyed what they've done so far. If the uneducated and unhistorical among us go back and hire a few old wrestling tapes (or even watch them on WWE.com), you'll see the crowd didn't exactly burst out laughing at everything they did in 1997 either. No, it wasn't until 2000-2001 that the appreciation for HBK's DX really started to kick in. Don't let this one pass you by folks, take every ounce of what the WWE offers you because by and large this is the very last time you'll be seeing HBK as a semi-heel, and with HHH for a very long time, if not forever. Stop being a negative dickhead about it and instead appreciate that the WWE gave us all exactly what we wanted.

[Dr. Horrible]

u do realize dx was only around in 98 right?

thats 8 years by my count...no one seemed to mind 8 years ago when they were doing the exact same thing

[Lounge Fly]

u do realize dx was only around in 98 right?

thats 8 years by my count...no one seemed to mind 8 years ago when they were doing the exact same thing

1997. Thats around 9 years... I was only 18 then.

Too long ago. They desperately need fresh ideas.

[Dr. Horrible]

trips and shawn were tagging at the end of 97, but i dont think they called themselves dx and started doin crazy shit until like dec. 97 - 98

[Lizard Queen]

That's strange, because from what I can ascertain from watching RAW, something along the lines of 100% of the audience jumps up and down in hysterics everytime DX gets a mention. It's not old, it's not over, it's great.

As for leaving it in the past, that same 100% of the audience probably has something along the lines of 2/3's of their number composed of fans who came around after 1998. Those fans probably haven't got videos of the old DX, and thus would be experiencing it for the first time.
The reasons that I watch wrestling may differ from others. Do I enjoy being entertained by mindless bullshit - yes, but I'm not a yokel drone who goes nuts over the return of old tired gimmicks.

[Dr Zaius]

Bring back the Men Street Posse.

[Dr. Horrible]

so you don't enjoy two of the best mike workers in the business thoroughly entertaining millions worldwide.......odd

[sikkbones]

i get a goddamn week ban for asking what channel ECW is on in canada and you fucker's close the TNA thread???

Word around TNA’s locker room is that the once considered “leader” Christian Cage is starting to change. When Christian first came to TNA he was praised for rejecting an offer from World Wrestling Entertainment. It is now being said that Christian is more concerned about aspiring a movie career instead of being the best wrestler.

Sources close to the situation are comparing him to Chris Jericho, stating that his mind is just on other things than wrestling. His reputation has been going on a steady decline since his debut with TNA last November.

[Nebuchanezzar]

trips and shawn were tagging at the end of 97, but i dont think they called themselves dx and started doin crazy shit until like dec. 97 - 98

Who cares? They were still doing the same crap midway through 1997, the only difference was the lack of the name and theme music.

old tired gimmicks.

That's the thing. It's not tired and it's not old. I was more entertained by RAW this week than I have been all throughout this year. I even found myself laughing at the stuff that they did. Do you know what made the Attitude era so succesful? The fact that the audience enjoyed it rather than sat there and bitched about it week after week. If I can watch RAW and only find minor things to bitch about (if anything), then RAW must be pretty damn good. It's not just me who found that either. Nope, it seems everyone enjoyed RAW this week. You just seem like a common bitchy fan that does nothing except whinge about what the WWE gives you. Everyone asks for DX for a year, they give it to us in full form and there's still those asses that whinge about it.

[Dr. Horrible]

honestly i cant blame christian, he has been overshadowed on every single tna show since he debuted for the neverending jarrett/sting feud......which will probably culminate on stings last ppv where he gets taken out by a guitar shot at the end.

lame.

christian should go back to wwe and take over smackdown

[Lizard Queen]

That's the thing. It's not tired and it's not old. I was more entertained by RAW this week than I have been all throughout this year. I even found myself laughing at the stuff that they did. Do you know what made the Attitude era so succesful? The fact that the audience enjoyed it rather than sat there and bitched about it week after week. If I can watch RAW and only find minor things to bitch about (if anything), then RAW must be pretty damn good. It's not just me who found that either. Nope, it seems everyone enjoyed RAW this week. You just seem like a common bitchy fan that does nothing except whinge about what the WWE gives you. Everyone asks for DX for a year, they give it to us in full form and there's still those asses that whinge about it.
Hey, that's the thing about eras - they end.

Dude, I love wrestling and I'm a true fan. The thing you have to understand is that I'm way older than you and most of the people posting here. And right now, I'm more into the brutality and not the antics.(which I thoroughly enjoyed back in the day)

Whatever, that's just what I think, you can like whatever you want to like - if I get banned for not being down with DX, that would be a fucking shame.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Hey, that's the thing about eras - they end.

What was the attitude era? If you ask me, it was comedy along with great storylines. Right now, there's plenty of great storylines up for grabs in the WWE, there's just a lack of comedy. I don't think that if the WWE puts more humour into their storylines that it will simply be a rehash of the Stone Cold saga, rather I think it will simply be the WWE going back to what the audience loves most - the humour.

if I get banned for not being down with DX, that would be a fucking shame.

You can be banned for that? Oh yeah, another question, why is your name in purple?

[Nebuchanezzar]

Vengeance predictions:

WWE Champion Rob Van Dam vs. Edge - It seems to easy for RVD to lose it at Vengeance. Also, I can't see Cena not interfering as a means of "vengeance" against Edge.
D-Generation X vs. Spirit Squad - A squash match
John Cena vs. Sabu (Extreme Lumberjack Match) - I'm maintaining hope that they put ECW over on this card
Nitro vs. Carlito vs. Shelton Benjamin - He wasn't brought over from Smackdown for nothing
Kurt Angle vs. Randy Orton
Mick Foley vs. Ric Flair
Kane vs. "Impostor Kane"
Eugene vs. Umaga - I'll be sure to enjoy this match. <_<>_><_<

[bauer]

So, is Mick like, officially back to wrestling? I never know when he is going to slip back into retirement again.

[Nebuchanezzar]

It looks that way, I hope they keep this Foley/Flair feud going for a while. Both have great ring and mic skills and there's a great story behind their feud that is realistic. That's something that not a lot of feuds have had during the WWF/E's history.

[bauer]

It looks that way, I hope they keep this Foley/Flair feud going for a while. Both have great ring and mic skills and there's a great story behind their feud that is realistic. That's something that not a lot of feuds have had during the WWF/E's history.
Agreed on all points. They are actually two of my favorite wrestlers of all time, so I'd love to see them feud for a while. The promos alone would keep me watching :D

[Dr Zaius]

I think Edge will beat RVD and bring the WWE belt home. The'yre not gonna have RVD with two belts for much longer, Raw's not gonna keep going without a belt. Plus, RVD beat Edge in a tag match clean on ECW Sci-Fi, they won't be giving him two victories.

[bauer]

I think Edge will beat RVD and bring the WWE belt home. The'yre not gonna have RVD with two belts for much longer, Raw's not gonna keep going without a belt. Plus, RVD beat Edge in a tag match clean on ECW Sci-Fi, they won't be giving him two victories.
It's actually a great opportunity to have someone from ECW do a run in and spoil the win for RVD, setting up a feud that is ECW-only.

[Dr. Horrible]

looks like cenas gettin his spinner back.......

bring on cm punk

[Nebuchanezzar]

I'm more upset about Cena winning against Sabu than I could have been if Edge had have defeated RVD. Ignore the fact that I wanted Edge to win, and instead focus on what Mikel said in that it looks as if Cena is getting back his damn title.

Damnit, just, damnit.

[bauer]

Van Dam vs Cena tonight for the belt? Nice. I'm sure it will be ruined by time constraints and/or Vince's dumb shit.

[sikkbones]

anyone think that HBk and HHH will ever acknowledge the 2002 DX reunion?

[Nebuchanezzar]

They did, at the press conference. It didn't explain much though

*audience member mentions their feud stemming from the DX reunion*

HHH: Me and Shawn Michaels have had our differences in the past, but the one common bond between us was DX.

...

[Dr. Horrible]

they'll get to that as soon as they point out that johnny nitro first debuted on raw back when people only knew mnm as a candy and white rapper

[sikkbones]

After losing to himself FAKE KANE, Kane's credibility is over. Even Undertaker beat fake undertaker. I think Kane should retire now. For those of you still hoping Kane gets one more title reign think again. Kane WILL NEVER WIN A TITLE AGAIN! Kane is a broken shell of a man who just plain doesnt have it anymore

I guess Kane is getting burned out on wrestling. If he's contemplating retirement very soon, then so be it. He's had a fairly lengthy career and if that's the path he chooses, then I respect him for it. I think he's pushing 40 years old soon and maybe he needs a really lengthy break from it all.

If McMahon's plan is to replace the old Kane with this newer version of Kane, then that's just plain silly if you ask me. If Kane retires, let that be the end of the Kane character altogether. There is no need to keep it on with a totally different wrestler altogether.

The Fake Kane on Vengeance last night did look better than he did in recent weeks, I'll give him that little bit of credit. However, I feel that as this feud progresses, the real Kane should indeed unmask the fake Kane and thus, ending the Fake Kane angle. That way, he could wrestle under his true indentity and Kane can retire whenever he so chooses without this silly proposed idea of the other Kane taking over his identity.

Kane's career has been on a downward spiral for a long time now. Ever since he became soft Kane, it's been down, down, down. Where is the Kane that used to electrocute Shane's testacles? That is the type of character that Kane is noted for and he shouldn't have ever have been watered down. It's totally ruined his entire character for good.

[Curtis]

It's actually a great opportunity to have someone from ECW do a run in and spoil the win for RVD, setting up a feud that is ECW-only.

And that person in mind could be Test and it would be a great move. I wouldn't be suprised to see Test interfere tonight and cost Rob his WWE title. I thought Vengence was pretty bad. I'm a huge DX/Kliq mark but even the main event was boring and weak except for Johnny's broken nose which he got from slipping and landing face first on the steal steps. Anyone else think the crowd was atrocious last night they wern't in it at all. Kane vs. Imposter "Fake" Kane was realllllly bad. The Fake Kane had fat hanging down from his chin strap and seems to have trouble entering the ring over the top rope. Best match of the night in my opinion was the three-way IC title match. I picked Nitro to win and was so confident in it that I said if he didn't I would make a John Cena layout on my myspace, thank god he won. I was absolutley shocked that RVD beat Edge. But now it appears Cena will be winning the title tonight on Raw :( Alot of my wrestling buddies thought DX was only going to last a few weeks it looks like it will go on longer as both have new attires and such, I hope they keep it going, even if Shawn has to limit his wrestling due to the knee problem he has to get fix it would be nice having him be HHH's manager. Oh yeah, doesn't WWE notice Umaga gets 0 crowd reaction only his manager does. Umaga is a pathetic Samoa Joe rip off, and I don't even like TNA.

[sikkbones]

Ric Flair/Mick Foley Fued...Could be Something Awesome-*Spoilers*-

I was just as pissed off and just as confused as alot of you were when this fued started a few weeks back. They have two legends in Foley/Flair and an already worked in storline to start it off and instead of buliding up what could have been an awesome fued we get a few weeks to build it up and the only thing really used is the worked in storyline you already had to begin with. Theres noting else added on to a fued that could have been pretty damn decent. And to top it all off they take a possible money match, ina 2 outta 3 falls situation, and give it away for nothing as a undercard match. Maybe second last to only Umaga/Eugene. I WAS just as pissed.

Then I got to thinking. After seening the match I realized something It did just what foley said he was gonan do in hs match. He stunk it up. 2 Falls went to Ric, in a row, and one via DQ when Mic nailed Flair in the head with a trash can. The match sucked, it bearly got started and it was over b4 anyone could give a shit about it. But what if the match wasnt ment to be used as a source of in ring entertainment. Foley told you the match was gonna suck, he even stated the truth that the rest of the card was big enough to cover for his match stinking up. He was letting the fans know this was gonna be bowling shoe ugly, eh JR.

So what if it was booked from here on in. What if the the match was the really start to this fued.The match is the first really add on to their fued. Its the first thing thats gonna fuel the fire between the two and keep this fued going. Flair is gonna bitch about how foley got DQed on purpose and call him down for beating him up post match. What if the the fued isnt over, it just starting. And the money match that everyone is giving away what if it a little bit at the fueds climax make it another best of 3 matches only make it a 3 stages of hell. With each stage being sumthing meaningfull. The first one could be hardcore picked by Foley. Falir could state that back in his day when stuff had to get put do rest it was done one way, and thats in side a steel cage. Thats how you could get a cage match in as fall two. And let the 3rd on be a multeral choice. Alot of people would be quck to sat I Qiut. And thats a hell of a choice. But personally Id like to see both of em in a submission match. Foley with his claw and Flair with the Figuer 4. That way the one that losses has no way to complain. You give in to the other guy. You Tapped Out

Just a thought about how it could be sumthing awesome. Leave some thoughts

[Lounge Fly]

Foley= the new Brooklyn Brawler.

[bauer]

By the way, Edge-Cena-RVD for the WWE title has been signed for the next Saturday Night's Main Event on July 15th.

[Dr. Horrible]

man this dx-mcmahon feud has turned to shit

[sikkbones]

man this dx-mcmahon feud has turned to shit
Literally...

speaking of wrestlecrap.....
Thanks in large part to the terrible reaction from the crowd at Vengeance, the Imposter Kane character has been dropped from the plans.

Last night's angle turned out to be the blow-off for the Imposter Kane, who was initially scheduled to be involved in storylines for several more weeks.

The critical and fan response to the storyline will assure it receives mention as one of WWE's all-time worst gimmicks.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I was rather enjoying it. It's a pity that they don't listen to the fans more often.

[Dr Zaius]

Some fans were chanting "boring" during the Kane(s) match at Vengeance. Hehe.

[Voodoo Monkey]

Still not as good as Toronto fans doing the wave during Taker/Heidenreich at some PPV a few years ago.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Smackdown wasn't bad this week, fairly entertaining all around. I felt the cage match was a bit sloppy and slow. Booker made several attempts at climbing out of the cage, and Lashley was supposed to convincingly pull him back in. Whether it was due to lack of experience, bad timing, I dunno, but it was obvious that it was Booker who was pulling himself into the ring, not Lashley pulling him in. I'm not a wrestler, I don't know how difficult it is but it was still rather obvious that the cage match was just a tad sloppy. Also, the ending was very anti climatic. Mark Henry's comment at the start seemed a little out of place and forced ("I'd beat Eddie Guerrero if he were still alive"), especially considering that it's all to hype up the return of Batista.

[Dr Zaius]

MISTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA KENNEDY!!!!!













































































KENNEDY!

[Lounge Fly]

John Cena To Retain Championship; Magazine Reveals Spoiler
Story By: Steve Carrier
Last night at a Pittsburgh Pirates Game, when the Pirates came up to bat in the bottom of the first, the music of De-generation X played while featuring footage of fans behind it and the DX barcode running with it. At the end of it they showed a picture of the all star symbol with the DX letters sprayed on top of it. At this point it is not announced that DX will be at an All Star Game next weekend, but this must indicate something. (Thanks to reader Chris Miller for passing that note.

Noted in Calender section in the latest edition of the WW Magazine, it states that John Cena will be defending his spinning WW Championship at SummerSlam. The only scheduled match that features John Cena in WW championship bout would be the one that will take place at Saturday Night’s Main Event which would mean he would have to win it at this event. (Thanks to reader Nate for sending that along.)



..If they give the title back to Cena im done with wrestling for good. I wont even watch ECW as its govorned by the dubya dubya (WW).

[Voodoo Monkey]

So what don't you like about TNA, other than the fact that you haven't heard of half the guys because they were never in WWE?

[Lounge Fly]

So what don't you like about TNA, other than the fact that you haven't heard of half the guys because they were never in WWE?

Cant get it on my cable.

[Nebuchanezzar]

*slams head on wall*

For the life of me, I can't understand why they're giving him the title again. It totally, and utterly sucks. Years from now, people will not look back on John Cena as a great champion, they'll look back on him as a worthless piece of garbage who was crammed down our throats by an egocentric Vince McMahon. Argh!

[Matt B.]

Thier gonna let him keep it till a least his damn movie.

[Voodoo Monkey]

Cena is selling a crapload of merchandise. That's why he's gonna be champ.

[Dr. Horrible]

cena actually has improved a lot since they took the title off of him, hes been having terrific matches every week, some people are just too shortsighted to notice and i actually think they'll give the strap to edge til summerslam

[Nebuchanezzar]

I don't find watching Cena week after week to be entertaining. I'm sure there are reasons beyond the repetitiveness of his wrestling, but I for one cannot find myself having a good time watching the wrestling when Cena is given the strap.

[Cyclone]

I guess I'm the only one here who enjoyed Cena's first two reigns as champion,well I guess it helps that I've been a Cena fan since his heel days.

Though I kind of don't want them to give the belt back to him because he's been great so far without it,but we'll just have to see what happens.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Go Edge. I accidentaly stumbled across a spoiler for that match on a particular forum </plug>, and hence it wasn't a surprise for me that he one - still awesome though. I just wish he had have pinned Cena over RVD.

[sikkbones]

anyone think trish should join DX as the chyna/rick rude role?

[Dr. Horrible]

no one should join dx, keep it shawn and hunter alone

besides trish and carlito have their thing goin on

p.s. sabu and van dam are the biggest idiots ever

[sikkbones]

no one should join dx, keep it shawn and hunter alone

besides trish and carlito have their thing goin on

p.s. sabu and van dam are the biggest idiots ever
two old egomaniacs hanging onto one last run for glory?

althought i do enjoy the juvinile steph preganant jokes.

[sikkbones]

WWE responds to charges against RVD and Sabu
By Ed Williams III
July 5, 2006


World Wrestling Entertainment earlier this week announced it was investigating five violations, including drug possession, levied against Rob Van Dam and Sabu by the Ohio State Highway Patrol. WWE announced today that based on information gathered over the past few days, Van Dam has been suspended without pay for 30 days and Sabu has been fined $1000. These actions are consistent with the Wellness Policy at WWE.

According to the Ironton Tribune, Rob Van Dam and Sabu were pulled over on U.S. 52, near Patrick Street in Hanging Rock, Ohio at about 10:15 p.m. Sunday night. The two were apparently driving from their performances at the Big Sandy Superstore Arena earlier in the evening.

According to the Ohio State Police, as reported by the Ironton Tribune, Van Dam was initially stopped for speeding. When troopers approached his vehicle, they smelled marijuana and performed a search. Troopers found RVD in possession of 18 grams of marijuana and five Vicodin, prescription pain pills. Sabu was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled substances, according to the OSHP. Both were cited and posted bond at the scene.

[Nebuchanezzar]

two old egomaniacs hanging onto one last run for glory?

No, two semi-old, popular wrestlers giving WWE fans what they wanted.

That RVD/Sabu news is quite crappy. On the plus side, Edge is the champ, on the negative, ECW is left with one less major "extremist"

[Dr. Horrible]

so...........apparently orton got caught with steroids and pain pills but isnt getting suspended because hogan wants him to job

[Nebuchanezzar]

I heard that he was caught with painkillers, but painkillers are almost a nessecary part of wrestling, and I doubt that they'd suspend someone over painkillers. As Foley said in his book, you try getting beaten up every night and not take a pain killer once in a while.

Batista's return was handled horribly on Smackdown. Everything about it was the opposite of what should have been done. He shouldn't have just come out at the end for no reason, he should have attacked Henry backstage. He shouldn't have been such a lumbering fool when he was beating up Henry, he should have been at the epitome of intensity. When he was bashing Henry with the chair, that was good, and that's what he should have been like the whole time. Bah, awful.

[Dr. Horrible]

for future reference wait on smackie comments til friday nites....we havent seen it yet

[sikkbones]

yes.. us damn canadians should at least use spoiler tags if we are going to spoil it because we get smackdown a day early.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Whoops, sorry. Luckily, they were hyping Batista's return all night on Smackdown (and probably on WWE.com), so I didn't give anything away...hopefully.

[sikkbones]

so did badtesticle turn heel yet....

[Imperciph]

Batista's return was handled horribly on Smackdown. Everything about it was the opposite of what should have been done. He shouldn't have just come out at the end for no reason, he should have attacked Henry backstage. He shouldn't have been such a lumbering fool when he was beating up Henry, he should have been at the epitome of intensity. When he was bashing Henry with the chair, that was good, and that's what he should have been like the whole time. Bah, awful.

Still, there is something oddly satisfactory about watching someone beating the crap out of Mark Henry.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I loved seeing Henry get beat by Batista, but what they should have done is just make Batista attack him out of nowhere and simply not stop. It would have made a lot more sense than to have Batista standing around, thinking about what to do next. That was simply not believable.

[Dr. Horrible]

i have to say this weeks snme looks to be an awesome show

dx vs squad elimnation
big dave, little rey, and bobby vs. king booker, henry, and finlay
cena vs edge
brooke hogan's tits
bikini bull riding

sounds like fun for the whole family

[Dr Zaius]

I'm all for Brooke Hogan's tits an everything, so long as she doesn't sing or nothing.

[D DEBBS]

Better Brooke than her over-bearing father (E-YUK!)

[Dr Zaius]

I want to see that twat of a brother she has get his ass kicked. I'd happily do it myself.

[block02]

Any idea on whose going over in that match? I was royally pissed when he refused to job to Michaels last year and his heel run was dropped with no explanation.

[Curtis]

Yeah that was dissapointing when Michaels suddenly dropped being a heel. That match was awful too, Michaels was trying his best to carry Hogan and it was still horrible, Hogan should stop wrestling. I expect his match with Orton to be shit.

[Nebuchanezzar]

I thought Michaels's tremendous over selling of Hogan's moves was rather hilarious. That's the only part of that match I watched though.

And the heel turn was supposedly dropped when he said to Hogan "I just had to make sure" or something along those lines. That's all well and good for ending the feud, but it didn't explain why HBK had been acting like an asshole for the past few weeks. Still, heel HBK>face HBK.

[block02]

Which brings me to my next point: turn DX heel. For that reason alone, the original '97 version was the best. The current DX is still entertaining no doubt, but a lot of it feels sitcomish and forced.

[Curtis]

Which brings me to my next point: turn DX heel. For that reason alone, the original '97 version was the best. The current DX is still entertaining no doubt, but a lot of it feels sitcomish and forced.

I agree with you 100% but the problem is the fans love DX so much and they are the most over thing in WWE right now how can you turn them heel. Even if they come out bashing the fans thats not good enough. Even if they jumped John Cena the fans would still cheer since Cena gets his fair amount of boos. I have been reading HBK is not happy with the DX storyline so I doubt he would want to be apart of the "heel" DX which is definitley more edgy.

[sikkbones]

after Ric flair Wins the ECW belt anyone think Hogan won't be far behind to nchallenge for the ECW TITLE?

[D DEBBS]

DR. ZAIUS: I want to see that twat of a brother (Nick) she (Brooke) has get his ass kicked. I'd happily do it myself.

OOH! OOH! Can I ASSIST?

[sikkbones]

DR. ZAIUS: I want to see that twat of a brother (Nick) she (Brooke) has get his ass kicked. I'd happily do it myself.

OOH! OOH! Can I ASSIST?


i third this motion.

[Dr Zaius]

I loved seeing Eugene get his ass kicked. I hate Eugene. DX took their time showing up while a retard was getting his ass beat, kinda odd. I only saw one guy wear the new DX T-shirt in the crowd. Looks like it ain't taking off. And I hate those recaps they show of what DX got up to the previous week, the way they add comedy music and shots off the fans laughing (very likely at something other than DX).

What's up with Kane? Was his angle so badly recieved he had to disappear? Haven't seen him in two weeks.

[sikkbones]

I loved seeing Eugene get his ass kicked. I hate Eugene. DX took their time showing up while a retard was getting his ass beat, kinda odd. I only saw one guy wear the new DX T-shirt in the crowd. Looks like it ain't taking off. And I hate those recaps they show of what DX got up to the previous week, the way they add comedy music and shots off the fans laughing (very likely at something other than DX).

What's up with Kane? Was his angle so badly recieved he had to disappear? Haven't seen him in two weeks.


actually i was kinda expecting a hacksaw run-in..
but why would DX help the retard?
i mean they're cool... but need to join the mcmahons... cool heel dx was always better than stupid face dx... it doesn't work unless they're heels.

[block02]

Raw thoughts:

-Opening match was entertaining, with Shelton carrying the match(as expected) and Cena winning with his atriocity of a submission hold. Loved the post match beat down.

-Edge's segments at the hotel were funny. The Cena ambush was predictable. Note to Creative: Cena is not Austin.

-Damn Edge has the spinner belt again. Guess he'll be dropping it pretty soon. If only he could get more than one successfull defense this time.

-Drop the Eugene gimmick already. It was dumb in '04 and it is dumb now.
-Flair/Foley/Show segment was interesting, but a bit random.

-Why oh why is the Diva Search being continued?? Miz, one suggestion: next time you appear on live television, for the love of God rehearse your lines.

-No Umaga???
-No Kane?????
-Val/Orton should have been given more than 45 seconds.
-DX was good too, but they would still be better off as heels.

[sikkbones]

anyone suspect the diva skank winner will be the french broad and she'll end up sylan's valet?

[Matt B.]

Nevermind

[Nebuchanezzar]

I'd like the British one to win, but if they must continue with it I do hope they put a bit more effort into it. Two of them looked like they couldn't speak English, the Miz messed up his lines and the audience simply didn't care.

-Edge's segments at the hotel were funny. The Cena ambush was predictable. Note to Creative: Cena is not Austin.

Would you prefer to see Cena stumble around week after week with no character, beating all other opponents for no reason other than his underdogness? At least with this mean streak he displayed at the motel, he has a character that almost explains how he wins every match. I found his food thing to be funny, even if it was a mild ripoff of previous WWF angles.

[block02]

Would you prefer to see Cena stumble around week after week with no character, beating all other opponents for no reason other than his underdogness? At least with this mean streak he displayed at the motel, he has a character that almost explains how he wins every match. I found his food thing to be funny, even if it was a mild ripoff of previous WWF angles.

True, that was more entertaining than his actual matches. It was the unoriginality that got to me.

[Larson Something]

^You're expecting originality from a company that just brought back DX and has now given us a new version of the Bushwhackers? (Yeah, I know, they're Scottish, but same difference. Scots, Kiwis, either way, the sheep are nervous.:rimshot:)

[sikkbones]

i miss fifi.

[sikkbones]

In the grand tradition of Lex Luger bashes WWE, I give you Jim Cornette


From: Miami Hearld website http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...g/15023202.htm

Someone's missing the boat.

With the Osbournes, Hogan Knows Best and other reality type TV shows dominating the programming skeds, it's a wonder no one asked Jim Cornette to do one.

Cornette is the only person involved in TNA and WWE simultaneously. That alone should send a message to television execs.

Still, Cornette, the new face of TNA, is happy to be working with TNA. He also owns a piece of Ohio Valley Wrestling, the main feeder group to WWE in his homeland Louisville, KY.

``The only promotion I'm part owner of is the only one I'm not allowed to be on TV.''

Cornette, who also worked commentary in OVW for local television, had a fallout with WWE.

``We had a moron [Johnny Gee Basco] in our [OVW] wrestling school, sitting in an area by ringside during a show. The Boogeyman was scaring the Be-Jesus out of everyone in sight. People were running and screaming in fear.

``This one guy thought he was tough. He was not going to get up. He wasn't going to run. He was going to laugh. I took exception to it especially with it on TV.

``I called him in. He said nobody told him anything about it.''

Cornette said he made some remarks and presented some scenarios to him pertaining to knowing what to do and what not to do in situations.

``The angry Boogeyman was probably going to break him in half.''

Internet reports said Cornette slapped the guy.

``[WWE vice president of talent relations] John Laurinaitis is a liar. That was the excuse they used because they were looking for a reason to get rid of me because I wouldn't swallow their crap. I agreed to step aside, and I refused to do business with WWE.''

Even though Cornette remains part owner of OVW, he is off OVW TV. With WWE still occupying OVW developmental talent, Cornette is a muzzled partner, an agreement with the sports entertainment conglomerate.

Landing on his feet once again, Cornette works for Ring Of Honor as its commissioner and most recently management director of TNA. OVW is a training ground for talent. ROH is a solid indie promotion based in Philadelphia, and TNA is an established player, exceeding expectations.

``Pro wrestling is colorful characters who have conflicts. Let guys with personalities, show them... who have abilities, use them.

``Fans like to see the ones they don't like get their butts kicked. Great talent and good matchmaking make pro wrestling.

``If somebody can talk, let him talk. If someone can wrestle, let him wrestle. If he can't tell jokes, don't let him. I'll take anything the fans like and what they'll pay to see.''

Cornette noted TNA is pro wrestling, and WWE is not. WWE has writers not bookers, creating sports entertainment.

``Vince Russo, the demon seed of pro wrestling, made writers into stars because of his own ego and his way of getting a pat on the back.''

Advertising also played a major role in the shaping of sports entertainment.

``WWE has diluted themselves into believing, thinking they are not wrestling. Vince McMahon devised sports entertainment to fool the big advertisers, thinking they weren't buying into low rent, travel park entertainment.

``Do you ever hear anyone say, `Did you see the sports entertainment show on TV last night? Did you see that sports entertainment match? Did you see that sports entertainer? Did you buy a sports entertainment ticket?'

'When I was working for WWE, Shane McMahon actually asked this question in a meeting: `What should we call our talent?' I said, `How about wrestlers. They wear wrestling boots, wear wrestling tights, compete in a wrestling ring. What do you want to call them? They are wrestlers.'

``They [McMahons] are billionaires or millionaires because of wrestling, and they don't want to admit it.

``Still, I'll work with you. I'll call a lamp a table, but just as long as you know I know it's a lamp.

``WWE created a new fan base that thinks wrestling is supposed to look like that. WWE blows credibility to anybody who wants to try pro wrestling.''

TNA is changing the perception, delivering a solid mix of old school and new school pro wrestling - emphasis on pro wrestling.

``TNA is a major international promotion with big money for big stars and directed to compete with WWE. I've been involved in a little bit of everything and want to help TNA anyway I can.

``Fans don't want bad comedy, bad taste, special effects, cars being blown up. They want to see pro wrestlers. TNA is all wrestling. We're not ashamed of it.

``My reputation is I don't play well with others. More times I've been successful than unsuccessful. TNA wanted someone to lay down the law to the wrestlers and tell the fans what's happening.

``I'm the liaison between TNA management, the fans and the wrestlers. I have no problem telling TNA who I think is talent, who I think is money and who I think isn't.

``I've been involved in wrestling for so long [25 years]. I do what I do regardless what situation I'm in.

``WWE will run anybody crazy. That's why I'm not in WWE. I respect everyone in TNA.

``I'm at this stage of my career I don't want to be a superstar. I want to facilitate the young talent and make it easier for them. I'm sort of the grease. I'm not the wheel. I miss it a lot but only because of the guys I managed.''

Cornette and his friend Danny Davis formed Ohio Valley Wrestling after Davis retired from in-ring action.

``In 1993, I ran into [OVW co-owner] Danny Davis in Louisville when I was visiting home. I was in Stanford [working for WWE] and wanting to move south. I suggested since WWE had no formal training program to start one to give wrestlers local TV experience and a chance to wrestle in front of crowds.

``Along with Jim Ross and Danny Davis, we set that up. We all bought into the promotion [OVW], and it was successful as long as J.R. was in charge of talent relations for WWE.

``When he [Ross] stepped down, WWE started to take over and tell us everything we could do.

``We had done great things in OVW. It was the highest-rated local program on TV on Saturdays. We produced future WWE champs like Brock, Batsita and Cena. We developed quality talent.''

``The problems began when they wanted to tell us everything we could and could not do. The inept writing, the Junior McMahon, the irresponsibility of a talent relations chief [Laurinaitis] who used to ride a skateboard. Suddenly, I realized what was happening.''

Cornette once managed Laurinaitis who was known as Johnny Ace.

``I was ashamed of being involved in sports entertainment and what pro wrestling had become in WWE. I was ashamed to watch WWE. [After the fallout] I told people I was retired.

``With TNA, I got the old feel again. With TNA, I'm not ashamed of being involved in the pro wrestling business. There are some break-through stars, and I am amazed at the condition Sting kept himself. I'm pleased with the whole experience in TNA, and I'm not ashamed to watch TNA.

``TNA will gain in popularity. It's a quality alternative to the dog and pony show being presented today.''

It's not a show for kids.

``Heck with the kids, I don't want to watch WWE, and I think other dogs are headed to the pound.

``I love wrestling. I've been a wrestling fan since I was 9. It hurt me so bad to see what has developed with WWE.

``WWE honestly is what people view as pro wrestling. The concept insults your intelligence. The religion and the sexual preference. It's become a joke and a farce. New talent is being held down.''

WWE creative [McMahon] attempts to surprise fans, especially with various Internet spoilers.

``Everyone thinks you have to fool everybody and surprise everybody nowadays. It's like a square peg being forced into a round hole. That's not it.''

Wrestlers weigh their options, and it's good to have options. According to Cornette, Samoa Joe realized WWE wasn't for him. TNA was his path to stardom.

``Samoa Joe was smart enough to realize he wouldn't be used the way he wanted to be used, could be used, should be used in WWE.

``There is a lot of talent trying to get into TNA. They don't want to go to a company where they are told what to do, what to say and what to be. Let the fans decide.

``The cream always rise to the top. Unfortunately, so does the scum at times.''

Gone are the days of Cornette, the manager, swinging a tennis racquet to assist his wrestlers including the legendary Midnight Express (Loverboy Dennis Condrey and Beautiful Bobby Eaton).

He swings a different racquet these days.

``I wanted to take a look at the landscape of TNA. I had a lot to chew on my first appearance in TNA.

``It wasn't hard deciding to join TNA. This was something I really wanted to be involved with. I've had experience in management and television. I'm older and not going to swing a tennis racquet.''

With the rise of TNA and a new, limited house show schedule, WWE decided to resurrect ECW.

``Some people said the only reason WWE picked ECW is to run small arenas. Well, what better pick than ECW to run small buildings. Still, you can't polish a turd, and I think WWE is finding that out.''

• Cornette answered many more questions during the TNA/Spike TV conference call on Tuesday, July 11.

About Ric Flair wrestling

``Ric Flair is better than 60-percent of the guys in the business nowadays. If he wants to wrestle when he is 75 and he can, let him do it. He loves it.

About flying

``After Sept. 11, me and airports don't mix.''

About Lance Storm

``Lance Storm and Chris Jericho [The Thrillseekers] worked their first matches in the United States for me in Smokey Mountain Wrestling. They are very talented, and Lance is tremendous.''

Storm was a wrestling trainer in OVW. Although they didn't see eye-to-eye on everything, Cornette and Storm respect the other.

About MTV's possible Wrestling Society X

Spike TV and MTV are sister channels

``It is two different things. I don't know much about it, but the Wrestling Society X project and TNA are separate entities.

``I've heard it's a different style.

``Before there is any cross promotions, TNA is going to want to cement its audience on Spike TV and its audience on PPV.''

About former OVW talent John Cena

``John Cena to me is the total package. He is a quality human being, a great talent. He is the most humble person in the world. He remembers the fans by name who supported him.

About former OVW tag team the Heartthrobs

``WWE pulled the Heartthrobs up too soon, and we told them that.

``They wouldn't let them do what they could do, and they failed.''

About other past OVW talent and Diva contests

``It's a shame a guy like Matt Morgan can't find a spot in this country.

``Rob Conway, Eugene, Doug and Danny Basham. What talents they are. They can talk. They can wrestle. I pushed for months and years. Why aren't you using them?

``[WWE] will take these useless Divas. Anyone see anything more annoying than these Diva search contests? I like ice cream and ketchup, too, but not together.

``Here you got great young talent sitting at home not being able to show what they can do.''

About the knee

``I've been struggling with my knee rehab.''

About his throat problems

'I was doing announcing on OVW shows at the top of my lungs and giving everything I had. The doctor said, `Don't yell. Don't have stress. Don't eat spicy foods.' My throat is tons better. The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.''

About St. Louis

``I had a lot good times in St. Louis. The highlight of my young career was in 1985 in the Kiel Auditorium. I thought I died and gone to Heaven.''

About the business

``Any jackass can kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build it.

``They're [WWE creative] just not patient enough these days.''

About TNA live

``The iMPACT Zone live was incredible. The pay-per-view was incredible: the production, the fans. It was great.''

TNA's Victory Road pay-per-view is Sunday, July 16 from Universal Studios in Orlando, Fla.

[Dr Zaius]

Give me one good reason why I should read all of that.

[bauer]

Isn't it sick how they have to say "bottom" on national tv instead of "ass"? DX just sounded silly during that promo because they were saying bottom instead of ass. Fucking FCC ;)

[bauer]

Nobody watching?

[bauer]

Superkick into the Pedigree is the best finishing move of all time.

[sikkbones]

Isn't it sick how they have to say "bottom" on national tv instead of "ass"? DX just sounded silly during that promo because they were saying bottom instead of ass. Fucking FCC ;)
the old DX wouldn't fucking care about breaking the fucking rules.

[bauer]

the old DX wouldn't fucking care about breaking the fucking rules.
Oh, please.

[Dr. Horrible]

dint watch the show yet but did they jsut say big show vs taker on ecw...................................................please tell me this isnt an intro for the vampire

[Nebuchanezzar]

Meh, I thought SNME was fairly mediocre, nothing compared to the last one, or the past few RAW's which I have been enjoying immensely.

I did notice that Nick Patrick signalled the X symbol for quite a while during that match, and Henry disappeared from the match. Batista's look of concern was hard to miss as well. Once I checked on the internet it confirmed my fears - Henry was injured. I don't read wrestling news sites if I don't have to, so does this translate into a no Batista/Henry match at GAB? I certainly hope not.

[Voodoo Monkey]

Yeah, there's about a 99% chance Henry can't work GAB.

*insert 'but Henry can't work to begin with' joke here*

[Dr. Horrible]

maybe.......kane?

havent seen him for a while

[Dr Zaius]

But Henry can't work to begin with.

RKO on the car boot was pretty cool.

[sikkbones]

anyone think raw was kinda blah! last night?
i mean raw was downright boring...
when the diva skank search was the best part.. esp. the one that got voted off crying cuz she got booed...

man wwe got lame...

[Dr. Horrible]

raw was very meh last nite....they missed a great opportunity to push the highlanders and have them save dx

and someone kill the diva search.....please?

[Larson Something]

DX was never brought back to help push other people on the roster. If that was the case, they would have put one or two young guys with them right from the beginning, like Evolution. It's just about Shawn and Hunter getting most of the camera time, which might not be as bad as it is if they had more interesting adversaries than the played-out McMahons and the frickin' Spirit Squad, who at best work as mid-card comedy heels a la 3 Count in WCW.

[Nebuchanezzar]

It would be nice to see the McMahons get some credible offense, and a win over DX one week. It would make the feud a lot more believable, and fun.

I too enjoyed seeing the dvia wannabe get voted off crying. 'Twas quite entertaining.

[sikkbones]

I too enjoyed seeing the diva wannabe get voted off crying. 'Twas quite entertaining.


did you hear the boos in the background?

i hate the diva skank search and i wish they would just make it internet only or something...
i'm pretty sure the french braod is gonna win and end up being a valet for Sylvan....
she's almost as much of a dog as the quebecers er.. la resistance's last valet... anyone remeber Fifi?

[Dr Zaius]

Ah, I do now. For a while I thought Fifi was that dog Torrie carries around.

Diva search sucks ass. WWE manages to make half-naked women lame, patronising and boring. And how annoying is that Miz fucker?

[Curtis]

Why is Miz on WWE's payroll, he doesn't even fuckin wrestle and he can't talk. I laughed when HHH called HBK Miz when he stuttered.

[Nebuchanezzar]

"Oh Hoo-rah!"

*total audience silence*

I did hear the boo's, they were very hard to miss.

[Dr. Horrible]

ok so im going to a raw/sd supershow in jersey and i need some sign ideas the only one i got so far is a dual sided sign for the taping itself during smackdown ill hvae a sign saying "I'm here for Raw" and during Raw i'll have a sign saying "Smackdown just ended"

any other ideas?

[Nebuchanezzar]

You could have a sign advertising the No Homer's Club, or even the link in my signiture. No? Fine.

Clever anti-Cena signs are always funny.

[Lizard Queen]

I like your sign idea Mikel.

Diva search sucks ass. WWE manages to make half-naked women lame, patronising and boring.

Yeah, it's funny; a crowd primarily full of dudes and no love for the women. The diva search has always sucked. However, if I were a contestant, I would cake on some ghetto make-up and call myself Lola Chola.

[sikkbones]

anyone that goes to a raw/smackdown and has a sign that says sikk hates DIVa skanks will get mucha respect from yours truly.

[Dr Zaius]

Something that puts that Miz fucker in his place. Or anything against Brooke Hogan's crappy new CD.

[sikkbones]

isn't brooke a little underage for randy horndog orton?

[Dr. Horrible]

how bout the diva search is absolutely MIZerable hoo-rah

[sikkbones]

how bout the diva search is absolutely MIZerable hoo-rah


i need to see that at the next raw/SD someone attends.

[D DEBBS]

To: Slack Jawed Michael

How about making a sign that looks like one of those generic 'Yellow Label' products that's sold in discount grocery stores?

All you hafta write is 'SIGN.'

[Dr. Horrible]

To: Slack Jawed Michael

How about making a sign that looks like one of those generic 'Yellow Label' products that's sold in discount grocery stores?

All you hafta write is 'SIGN.'

die.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Lol, hilarious.

I do like the the Miz sign though. It's more original than a standard "Miz: Shuttup" type sign that I was thinking of.

[Voodoo Monkey]

Miz always forgets his lines, right?

So your sign should be

MIS(strikeout)
MEZ(strikeout)
etc., and then at the bottom
MIZ!

[Dr Zaius]

How about a stick figure with a bloody knife through the head? And an arrow that points to it saying "<---MIZ"

Or "MUST BUY BROOKE HOGAN'S CD LOL"

[sikkbones]

How about a stick figure with a bloody knife through the head? And an arrow that points to it saying "<---MIZ"

Or "MUST BUY BROOKE HOGAN'S CD LOL"


anyone think that a sign in the shape of a heart with the words randy and brooke forever in it would be cool... red heart with yellow trim around it.

[block02]

GAB Predictions/thoughts:

Cruiserweight Title: Helms has started to grow on me, but the story has revolved around his record-breaking reign, so it will probably end.

US Title: Well for those who don't know, Lashley will not be in the match due to liver problems I believe. If kept a one-on-one match between Finlay and Regal, it could potentially steal the show. Too soon for the Irishman to lose the title in any event.

Diva tag match:Time for the eye candy portion of the PPV. Ashley and Jillian will win.

Tag Titles: This one could steal the show as well. Since Noble and Kash have had the champs number over the past month, look for the champs to retain.

Punjabi Prison Match: Khali has dominated the feud, so 'Taker should win what will probably be an abombination of a match.

Batista vs. Kennedy: It's a no brainer Batista will win, which is a shame because Kennedy has great potential. Maybe he'll get a push afterwards.

World Title: If Creative is smart, they'll turn the fight between Booker and Batista a few months ago into a storyline by having Booker win the title. Mysterio is an awesome competitor, but his whole living vicariously through Eddie gimmick is getting stale. Time for him to drop the title.

[camelenchilada]

Most of those predictions seem logical...I won't be buying GAB anyway, though...Smackdown has gotten very stale and boring to me lately. I'm loving the D-X angle on Raw, though.

[Nebuchanezzar]

The Great American Bash, for once, had a whole helluva load of potential behind it. The matches will probably still be of high quality, but the loss of star power from Henry and Lashley will hurt this PPV immensley. It's a pity too. I guess Booker is likely to win his first WWE title reign on a somewhat lacklustre PPV - and that's a damn shame.

[block02]

It would still be retribution for his getting screwed at WrestleMania XIX

[Lounge Fly]

Its a disgrace they havent cancelled Smackdown.

[Nebuchanezzar]

It's not that bad...

But am I wrong in saying that Smackdown is currently pulling in around the same ratings that WCW was at the time of its demise?

[Matt B.]

It's not that bad...

But am I wrong in saying that Smackdown is currently pulling in around the same ratings that WCW was at the time of its demise?
No, but since its on UPN (or the CW or what ever the fuck its called) sees Smackdown's ratins as one of their highest show with like a 2 or 3.

[Nebuchanezzar]

Smackdown reminds me of the WWF circa late 96, early 97. No real established superstars, and a whole helluva lot of potential in quite a few of them. In fact, I wrote a small piece on it in the site I usually link to in my signiture.

[huh?]

ok so im going to a raw/sd supershow in jersey and i need some sign ideas the only one i got so far is a dual sided sign for the taping itself during smackdown ill hvae a sign saying "I'm here for Raw" and during Raw i'll have a sign saying "Smackdown just ended"

any other ideas?
well considering what's been going around smackdown lately, how about "LIVER DISEASE FOR WORLD CHAMP"?

[Curtis]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=155542071

Ok, so Lashley is out and replaced with William Regal, thats a bit of a downer.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=155597388

Great Khali has been pulled from the Great American Bash due to health reasons, finally some good news, Big Show is replacing him.

Either way I wont be watching this PPV because Smackdown is boring as fuck.

[Jeremy]

Its a disgrace they havent cancelled Smackdown.
SD's ratings are fine, and the show constantly has the best wrestling on TV each week. It also has a MASSIVE Latino following, which WWE should be making use of, instead of making Rey a punchline for bad world champions. I don't think this show will be lackluster - it's got some matches that should at least be good (tag title, World title), and one match that could be a classic in the U.S. title match between Fit Finlay and Regal (which is a sentence I never thought I'd type ten years ago when both were being wasted in WCW).

Khali is out of the Punjabi prison match, with Show taking his place. Show and Taker have had better matches than the one Khali-Taker match, and Show is motivated, so I see this being at least good. Helms-Crazy (if he's the actual opponent) will be good, and could be great if given time. The bra and panties match will be what it is - a bathroom break for the fans, and a visual treat for TV viewers.

For anyone interested in a national TV alternative to WWE and TNA, TNT Pro Wrestling launches the Blasting Zone in September on MavTV. They've got a lot of ex-WWE talent, along with some indy standouts. MTV also has a wrestling project called Wrestling Society X. The MavTV show will air on Wednesdays, meaning that when it starts, there will be wrestling available on national TV each and every weeknight.

[Dr Zaius]

Khali's out? Now that is some major damage, they built that match up like crazy. GAB looks cursed.

[Dr. Horrible]

also you have to rememebr that because smackdown is on upn is it pre-wmpted in a lot of places each week so that would explain for their ratings, like most fridays here in ny upn shows yankee games and leave smackie for saturday nights which is an even worse draw for wrestling (just ask tna)

[bauer]

How about this? Smackdown! sucks and is a awful brand. Fuck their PPV.

[duffless89]

'Pizz off, Miz'

[Dr. Horrible]

i was thinking of bringing several signs and just writign down the smackdown spoilers on them during raw lol

[Jeremy]

How about this? Smackdown! sucks and is a awful brand. Fuck their PPV.
How about no? SD rules, and GAB still has a better card than any recent RAW PPV in spite of three major card changes in just the past 8 days.

[Where's Poochie?]

I'm not a fan of the WWE (or a any kind of choreographed fighting). Can anybody tell me why they like it?

[Dr. Horrible]

actually u do for having no actual contribution to this thread at all and having no semblance of a social life to waste time and come in here and post about something you have no stake in

[block02]

Well, I'm 4 for 6 in my predictions....come on Book!!

[Nebuchanezzar]

Good news that he won. On 'ya Booker!

[Voodoo Monkey]

actually u do for having no actual contribution to this thread at all and having no semblance of a social life to waste time and come in here and post about something you have no stake in

OR...maybe he's trying to understand why people like it so that he can look at it from a new angle, and maybe like it himself?

[Mira]

I'm not a fan of the WWE (or a any kind of choreographed fighting). Can anybody tell me why they like it?

It's fucking awesome.

Anyway, it's funny how people who don't like SD! and say it's boring are often fans of this shitty, unfunny new DX. Raw should change it's name to the Hunter and HBK variety block, since they take up all the time with their "hilarious" penis jokes and toilet humor. Whoopie, a show desperatley and pathetically trying to recreate the Attitude Era. Great.

[Lounge Fly]

How about this? Smackdown! sucks and is a awful brand. Fuck their PPV.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

[Dr Zaius]

Cena tried so hard to be The Rock in his promo with Maria last night.

[D DEBBS]

Welcome Aurora Rose Levesque!

[Dr. Horrible]

Summerslam spoilers Edge and Mickie James lose in a double title mixed tag to Triple and Little H

[Dr Zaius]

Aurora's a pretty name.

[sikkbones]

Welcome Aurora Rose Levesque!


the hellspawn is out of the womb??

[duffless89]

IT'S ALIIIIIIIIVE!!!

[sikkbones]

IT'S ALIIIIIIIIVE!!!
did Kane just give birth to a hand?

and was it wearing His glove?

[Jeremy]

I'm not a fan of the WWE (or a any kind of choreographed fighting). Can anybody tell me why they like it?
Pro wrestling isn't entirely choreographed - usually, only the match finishes and major parts of the match are planned out - the other 99% of the match is done spontaneously, and in one take. I like it because pro wrestling has guys who can have brutal, stiff matches that make you cringe with guys like Chris Benoit, Fit Finlay, William Regal, and Samoa Joe, and then turn around and give you a humorous skit with the Rock (for example). It's got a little bit of everything, and every now and then, you get a great story to go along with it.

If you're an MMA fan, you might be interested in checking out their matches (and matches with the Olympic gold medalist Kurt Angle), bouts with Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock, or some shoot-style UWFI matches. There was also a literal Real Pro Wrestling TV show that featured amateur wrestlers actually getting a payday (finally) for their talents. The first season of that show will be on DVD at some point.

Japan has numerous styles that an MMA fan might enjoy - they emphasize incredibly hard, stiff strikes, and believable offense. Benoit, Finlay, and Regal have all had varying degrees of success there thanks to their styles. Youtube should yield some of the stuff I'm talking about, so I'll do a search in a bit and put the links up. Perhaps the best question to ask is "what do you like about non-choreographed fighting"?. That would give me something to work with around your preferences.

[D DEBBS]

DUFFLESS 89: It's ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!!

:LOL:

[Dr. Horrible]

Pro wrestling isn't entirely choreographed - usually, only the match finishes and major parts of the match are planned out - the other 99% of the match is done spontaneously, and in one take. I like it because pro wrestling has guys who can have brutal, stiff matches that make you cringe with guys like Chris Benoit, Fit Finlay, William Regal, and Samoa Joe, and then turn around and give you a humorous skit with the Rock (for example). It's got a little bit of everything, and every now and then, you get a great story to go along with it.

If you're an MMA fan, you might be interested in checking out their matches (and matches with the Olympic gold medalist Kurt Angle), bouts with Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock, or some shoot-style UWFI matches. There was also a literal Real Pro Wrestling TV show that featured amateur wrestlers actually getting a payday (finally) for their talents. The first season of that show will be on DVD at some point.

Japan has numerous styles that an MMA fan might enjoy - they emphasize incredibly hard, stiff strikes, and believable offense. Benoit, Finlay, and Regal have all had varying degrees of success there thanks to their styles. Youtube should yield some of the stuff I'm talking about, so I'll do a search in a bit and put the links up. Perhaps the best question to ask is "what do you like about non-choreographed fighting"?. That would give me something to work with around your preferences.

please post here more often as opposed to the other tools that make meaningless posts

[sikkbones]

please post here more often as opposed to the other tools that make meaningless posts


who are you calling a meaningless tool.... i'll sick kane's hand baby on you.

[Dr. Horrible]

i said tools who make meaningless posts....thanks for showing an example, tool

anyways any other predictions for sumemrslam the card is shaping up nciely despite all the injuries

big dave vs book
chavo vs rey
edge vs cena gimmick match
dx vs mcmahons
maybe anohter ic triple threat

[Where's Poochie?]

Pro wrestling isn't entirely choreographed - usually, only the match finishes and major parts of the match are planned out - the other 99% of the match is done spontaneously, and in one take. I like it because pro wrestling has guys who can have brutal, stiff matches that make you cringe with guys like Chris Benoit, Fit Finlay, William Regal, and Samoa Joe, and then turn around and give you a humorous skit with the Rock (for example). It's got a little bit of everything, and every now and then, you get a great story to go along with it.

If you're an MMA fan, you might be interested in checking out their matches (and matches with the Olympic gold medalist Kurt Angle), bouts with Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock, or some shoot-style UWFI matches. There was also a literal Real Pro Wrestling TV show that featured amateur wrestlers actually getting a payday (finally) for their talents. The first season of that show will be on DVD at some point.

Japan has numerous styles that an MMA fan might enjoy - they emphasize incredibly hard, stiff strikes, and believable offense. Benoit, Finlay, and Regal have all had varying degrees of success there thanks to their styles. Youtube should yield some of the stuff I'm talking about, so I'll do a search in a bit and put the links up. Perhaps the best question to ask is "what do you like about non-choreographed fighting"?. That would give me something to work with around your preferences.
That was the post I've been looking for. I still don't like wrestling though. I'll shut up now :-X .

[Jeremy]

Hehe, you don't have to like wrestling, and you don't need to shut up. I still think there's some kind of wrestling product that would appeal to you, which of the ones I listed sounds the most appealing to you?

On an unrelated note, here's the match listing for Hulk Hogan's new DVD set -
Hogan vs. Andre 9/13/80
Hogan vs. Nick Bockwinkel 4/24/83 AWA title match--this was the big one that drew about 25,000 fans
Hogan vs. Iron Sheik WWF title switch
Hogan vs. John Studd 9/22/84
Hogan vs. Roddy Piper 2/18/85 MTV
Hogan & Mr. T vs. Piper & Paul Orndorff Mania 1
Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy Mania 2
Hogan vs. Orndorff Toronto Exhibition Stadium
Hogan vs. Andre Wrestlemania III
Hogan vs. Randy Savage Wrestlemania 5
Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior Wrestlemania 6
Hogan vs. Sgt. Slaughter Wrestlemania 7
Hogan vs. Undertaker 12/3/91
Hogan vs. Ric Flair 7/17/94
NWO formation
Hogan vs. The Giant 8/10/96
Hogan vs. Sting 12/28/97 Starrcade match
Hogan vs. Curt Hennig 11/14/01 -- They've bought the XWF footage as well I guess
Hogan vs. Rock 3/17/02 Mania 18
Hogan vs. HHH 4/21/02 Backlash
Hogan & Edge vs Billy & Chuck 7/4/02
Hogan vs. Vince McMahon Mania 19
Hogan Hall of Fame Induction
Hogan vs. Shawn Michaels 8/21/05

I'm pissed that the incredible Big Bossman, Orndorff, and '94 Flair cage matches aren't on this, but there is some other choice stuff, like the AWA title match, that I've always wanted to see but haven't. I also haven't seen his WM V and VII title matches in full, so I'm glad they're on this set.

[sikkbones]

i said tools who make meaningless posts....thanks for showing an example, tool

anyways any other predictions for sumemrslam the card is shaping up nciely despite all the injuries

big dave vs book
chavo vs rey
edge vs cena gimmick match
dx vs mcmahons
maybe anohter ic triple threat


beware the coming of the Hand of doom..