Spider-Man 3 Thread (spoilers still tingling)

[boogie down mikel]

Dunst is quoted at Zap2It as saying, "We have really great people though as the villains in this film, Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace -- Venom and Sandman." She added, "Maybe I wasn't supposed to say that."

But when a journalist expressed disbelief that Sandman lookalike Church would be playing Venom, Dunst corrected her gaffe. "It's the other way around. You're right."

So just to be clear: according to Dunst, Thomas Haden Church is Sandman and Topher Grace is Venom.

Although she hasn't read the script yet for Spider-Man 3 , which begins filming in January, Dunst said, "I know the general story. ... There's a lot that they're trying to fit into this one."

Very interesting, if they do a Venom story similar to that in Ultimate Spidey then I could see how Topher would be excellent, Osbourne could fund Eddie Brock's research so it maintains his bad guy overtures as more of a mastermind than ubervillain

Church as Sandman should be fun, I enjoy him as an actor but I don't really know if Sandman has enough depth for him

[mr. broom]

1. She hasn't read the script.
2. This is also a woman who said out of nowhere at another press conference that it'd be "really interesting" if they killed off MJ in the third film.

It's clear she likes to speculate out loud. This means nothing.

[Jolly Bengali]

Wonderboy, how's that any different than the first post?

Not sure I believe her or want her blabbing about the plot in public... but she's still cute though.

[Andy]

That was originally a first post in another thread, and I merged the threads. Eh.

[TheGunslinger]

Spiderman......meh - overrated.

[Drew]

so is calvin and hobbes

[TheGunslinger]

so is calvin and hobbes

Hah, okay.

It is the greatest comic ever created.

And Bill Watterson is a hero for not selling out - any Calvin and Hobbes merchandise you see is illegally made.

I'm not saying the entire concept of Spiderman is overrated - simply the movies, I dig the comics.

[VMike311]

if they do a Venom story similar to that in Ultimate Spidey
Yeah, I don't think the venom from space thing would go good with the movie, it should be from USM, but I'm sure they will make something up themselves rather than going with that, but hopefully they do go with the USM version.

And Get Fuzzy is the greatest, C&H #2 ;)

[Jolly Bengali]

so is calvin and hobbes

So, so, untrue. Probably underrated.

But the TheGunslinger's only half right. The first film, certainly, but Spider-Man 2 was a really, really good movie that tends to be seen more as a "good" or "decent" movie.

[Charmy]

1. She hasn't read the script.
2. This is also a woman who said out of nowhere at another press conference that it'd be "really interesting" if they killed off MJ in the third film.

It's clear she likes to speculate out loud. This means nothing.

That's to say nothing of her statements that Spider-Man should be killed in the third film, or that Black Cat and Lizard (as a villain) were appearing in the second.

She doesn't have any idea what she's talking about. It's probably true about Sandman, because that's where all of the hints and leaks have been pointing... but the identity of the second villain is still up in the air. I've heard Chameleon, Venom, and Electro; maybe none of them are right. Either way, I simply don't trust her to be right.

[deshem]

venom is great but sandman was never really the most interesting villian. bring on spidey 3, spiderman 2 was amazing so i can't wait.

[henry]

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/tchurch.jpg

Well Howdy

[Jolly Bengali]

For those of us less well-read on the comics... who would that be the street-clothes garb of that Church is sporting

[henry]

The Sandman

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/enemies/sandman/sandman01.jpg

[Tipsy McStagger]

You shouldn't have two villains, there will not be enough time, Venom is an important character with an important back story that deserves its own film. I think it should be sandman and hobgoblin (harry) then lizard and vulture for spidey 4 and finish off the series with venom. maybe carnage and venom for spidey 6 (if they do it).

[jim]

I really liked the first movie and thought the second one just plain sucked, but the third could be good with Venom. Hopefully it looks less like a video game then Spiderman 2.

[boogie down mikel]

every superhero trilogy has to have a dual villain movie, i think its an unwritten law

[Tipsy McStagger]

unwritten law? more like unwritten flaw. hehe...i kill myself...seriously though i thought they wouldve learned from a certain other comic book film featuring dual villains that destroyed a certain franchise causing a halt in seuqel making in that franchise for almost 10 years. stick to one villain!!!!

[Mafia]

there are rumors of filming Spidey 3 and 4 back-to-back, so Spidey 3 include a Venom origin subplot with Sandman as the villain, with Venom as the villain in the 4th movie.

[bart182]

there are rumors of filming Spidey 3 and 4 back-to-back, so Spidey 3 include a Venom origin subplot with Sandman as the villain, with Venom as the villain in the 4th movie.


see, that'd be really cool.

[thecapecoddah]

but didn't sam raimi, kirsten dunst, and tobey maguire say that spider-man 3 will be their last spidey film?

at the very least, dunst and maguire only have a contract for three films I believe.

[Jolly Bengali]

Plus you can't really head into a production process without knowing if you're shooting a second film right after it... they would have decided, crew would have been notified, and this would all be leaked and settled. I would imagine that the only reason Topher's identity hasn't been spoiled yet is that he's not shot his villain scenes yet.

[mr. broom]

Fourth film rumor is clearly one hundred percent false. Back-to-back films get announced ahead of time, not in the middle of filming. You can't keep something like that secret.

Did anyone geek out at Thomas Haden Church's shirt?

[Charmy]

Hehe. Well, this one was coming. We'll have to wait and see about the other one.

Yes, the shirt is great. I'm surprised they kept it, but I'm glad they did.

[unnecessarily hot]

Is it just perspective, or does his right forearm look bigger than his left forearm?

[Charmy]

Is it just perspective, or does his right forearm look bigger than his left forearm?

As I understand it, it's just some wonky perspective. Although he could be doing some weird sand morphing (but probably not).

[gravymaster]

I might be speaking out of line right now, but am I the only one that never really cared for Sandman? I could live with just Venom (my favorite spidey villian).

[mr. broom]

Venom is the Wolverine of Spider-Man fandom; everyone likes him best and wants him to be in every goddamn Spider-Man property there is. I'm very, very glad Raimi isn't a fan, because it means we'll get to see some classic storylines.

[unnecessarily hot]

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/
http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/spider-man.jpg

No, that isn't a black/white photo. Spiderman is wearing a black suit. That pretty much cements it for me; Topher Grace is Eddie Brock. Thomas Hayden Church said that Grace doesn't become a villain until the "end" (he didn't clarify how far the "end" was) of the movie.

[conor.]

Grace a villlian? a must see.

[boogie down mikel]

*drool*

[derelictpi]

That looks amazing.

[TransponderHut]

Just my opinion, but Thomas Haden Church is going to kill any of the life that was in this series. He just doesn't seem like the type to play a super villain... he's too goofy and I could never take his acting seriously.

[billi vanilli]

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/
http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/spider-man.jpg
reminds me of
http://horror.about.com/library/weekly/SinCity/images/u033clive-poster.jpg

[Orange-Neck]

The black suit is teh shit. I wasn't a big fan of the first two Spidey films, but this one seems very impressive from what I've seen so far. This certainly looks better than x3.

[Gunstar]

So it's a black version of his old getup. Meh. Would've rather it been more like the comic's:
http://www.spidey-net.com/main/costumes/costume25.gif

[Drew]

Either way, its still pretty fuckin cool. Cant wait for this movie. That black suit is so gangsta.


And while the guy from Sideways (and Wings) doesn't really look like a Villain, neither did the guy who played Doc Oc, but he still did a good job. Also having to Villains + Harry Osbourne, it should be really intresting.

[grissom]

Black suit is awesome. I can't wait for this movie

[Curtis]

I cant wait to see Venom, Im looking forward to this Spider Man more then the previous two because Venom and the black suit are so kick ass.

[Wonderboy]

I just assumed that it was dark out so his suit was black...

Anyway, is that someone falling in his eye?

[brockman1988]

This will be amazing. I'm not a 100% sold on X3 because Brett Ratner's at the helm, but Raimi's been the most consistent director in Hollywood (other than, maybe, Spielberg). He made Spider-Man 2 a vast improvement on the already pretty good first installment, and I'm expecting nothing less than a wonderfully dark turn for Spidey. I can't wait.

[mr. broom]

Anyway, is that someone falling in his eye?

I wondered if there might not be something cleverly hidden there myself. I zoomed in on it with an imaging program and didn't see anything that couldn't be more likely accounted for by storm clouds. We'll have to wait until they put out a desktop-sized version to be certain, though.

[unnecessarily hot]

I wondered if there might not be something cleverly hidden there myself. I zoomed in on it with an imaging program and didn't see anything that couldn't be more likely accounted for by storm clouds. We'll have to wait until they put out a desktop-sized version to be certain, though.

http://www.superherohype.com/images/spidey3.jpg

I don't think that there's really anything in his eye. A lot of people on superherohype.com have speculated that it's Venom, that there's someone falling, that it's the Green Goblin...I think it's just people trying to find something that's not there. Regardless, just from this little poster it seems that this movie will be much darker than the previous ones.

[brockman1988]

As long as there's not a main focus on Green Goblin, which would be a total retread (and I think Sam Raimi knows better), it'll be spectacular.

[Moose of Doom!]

Trailer's up (http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_3/large.html)

Crawling symbiotes, a giant sandman, new Green Goblin outfit, and Peter Parker with a new emo-riffic hairdo. Looks like fun.

[mr. broom]

I gotta be alone for a minute.

[conor.]

now i need a new pair of pants...

it looks like the series is going a bit darker ala batman begins, which i am very supportive of

[Wonderboy]

Two of my favorite parts:

http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/1946/greengoblin22rs.png

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/2630/sandman5fw.png

[sikkbones]

SPIDER-MAN 3 TRAILER HITS WEB

Appearing in theaters in front of Superman Returns, movie goers will get a chance to see what looks to be the super hero movie to beat for next summer, Spider-Man 3. Sony today released the official trailer for the film on Apple’s Quicktime site.

The trailer holds very little back – yes, the symbiote is in the film, and yes, it takes over Spider-Man, and yes, that’s the black costume. Hoo-boy, and that’s only the tip of the iceberg…

Click here and check it out for yourself.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_3/

[grissom]

Beyond awesome.

[Kiyosuki]

Well I'm going to go see Superman Returns tonight, probably like most of you so we'll get to see that on the big screen.

[Jolly Bengali]

Trailer gave away a lot, I really hope they dont give away more, plotwise... that's about the limit for what I want to know. Should be pretty fucking good though, since it's basically the throw-in-everything-but-the-kitchen-sink thing that made X3 work, but with a real budget, studio commitment, and time, which should iron out the kinks/weaknesses that also severely detracted from X3.

[billi vanilli]

other than the sandman shot, nothing really jumps out at me as stellar about that trailer.

which isn't to say i'm not looking forward to it. it just seemed like... i dunno... all the standard crap you see in trailers for comic book movies. but i like the black outfit, and sandman looks amazing, so it's not a total loss.

[Drew]

This trailer looks awesome. This one could be the best yet.

[mr. broom]

Raimi's being the faithful follower of the canon (insofar as a movie director can be) once again. You may have noticed

[spoiler]the bell tower, where Peter uses the intense sound to drive out the black costume when it threatens to consume him
and
the exhausted Peter, having fallen asleep in his regular costume after such a wearying day, getting taken over by the black costume, which will spend the night fighting crime while he sleeps
both of which are important scenes from the comic books. I've heard Raimi doesn't like Venom, but if he's going to do the story this film (and we don't know if he's doing the whole story this film), he means to do it right. Got to give the guy credit.

[boogie down mikel]

yeah i noticed that too broom i think its an awesome thing to follow it that closely

this teaser makes me want to kill one person each day until may 4th....it looks awesome

[brockman1988]

Saw the trailer with Superman Returns. Incredibly excited.

[Wonderboy]

I read an unauthorized interview with an employee from Sony (he ended up getting fired) that dished out what appears to be some pretty spot on info judging by what's been revealed so far. I guess we'll have to wait to see if the rest is true.

Also, did anyone else hear about Marvel/Sony revealing the 4th villian at Comic Con? I could have sworn I heard something like that awhile back. If it is true I'm guessing it's The Lizard since they've talked about using him before, and since he was some what established in Spidy 2.

[Jim Jones]

Very interesting, if they do a Venom story similar to that in Ultimate Spidey then I could see how Topher would be excellent, Osbourne could fund Eddie Brock's research so it maintains his bad guy overtures as more of a mastermind than ubervillain

Church as Sandman should be fun, I enjoy him as an actor but I don't really know if Sandman has enough depth for him


Fuckin A, Venom is awesome, and I still dont know why they didnt just use venom the first time...I can still remember him going "Oh Peter..." creepily in thespiderman n64 game. w00t for venom!

[Cerpin Taxt]

They didn't use him because Sam does try to keep a little bit of a timeline (a little) and Venom didn't show up until waaaaaay later.

[TheForbiddenDonut]

Fuckin A, Venom is awesome, and I still dont know why they didnt just use venom the first time...I

Because that would be a disaster. Peter becomes Spider-Man and his relationship with MJ has to be established. An origin story is big enough, but to cram the legendary Venom plot line so early in Peter's life, and right beside another huge plot would be a train wreck.

Oh yeah, saw the trailer at Superman Returns tonight. That one trailer almost measured up to the entirety of Superman Returns.

[Eddie]

I was just poking around IMDb and noticed that Rosemary Harris doesn't have a credit in Spider-Man 3 but that Ursula chick in Spider-Man 2 does. What the hell?

[Kiyosuki]

Because that would be a disaster. Peter becomes Spider-Man and his relationship with MJ has to be established. An origin story is big enough, but to cram the legendary Venom plot line so early in Peter's life, and right beside another huge plot would be a train wreck.

Oh yeah, saw the trailer at Superman Returns tonight. That one trailer almost measured up to the entirety of Superman Returns.

Yeah. Venom may be his most famous adversary, but the Green Goblin is one of Spiderman's oldest and most well established enemies. It made perfect sense to use him first.

The symbiote is supposed to come at a time where Parker starts to really feel the weight of his choice in life, when he's most suseptable so its actually a good time I think.

[Jolly Bengali]

Yeah - as well, Venom has to be the toughest character to pull off in terms of effects (or one of), so it's better that they went with the relatively easier Goblin first.

[Kiyosuki]

Also am I the only one that thinks the Sandman is maybe a bit unecessary for the third film?

I mean...you have Harry turning into the Green Goblin, as expected since its in line with the comic...and it gives the story a nice little full circle, then you have the symbiote which is opening up a huge storyline or at least a very big concept that really needs time to flesh out...thats already a full film's worth of stuff...adding a relatively low-key Spiderman villain like Sandman just seems like a last minute thing to me.

I love Spiderman, I just don't want the third film to pull an X3. :( I'll wait of course to see how it turns out, but I think X3 was a perfect example of why cramming too many storylines into one film never really works out...especially if one of those storylines is as potentially big as the Venom storyline.

[Drew]

If they are having multiple villains, they will all tie togther in the same storyline. IGN analyzed this about a month ago and came up with a pretty good theory backed up by different versions of the comics. Worth reading.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/687/687337p1.html

[Jolly Bengali]

Also am I the only one that thinks maybe the Sandman is maybe a bit unecessary for the third film?

I mean...you have Harry turning into the Green Goblin, as expected since its in line with the comic...and it gives the story a nice little full circle, then you have the symbiote which is opening up a huge storyline or at least a very big concept that really needs time to flesh out...thats already a full film's worth of stuff...adding a relatively low-key Spiderman villain like Sandman just seems like a last minute thing to me.

I love Spiderman, I just don't want the third film to pull an X3. :( I'll wait of course to see how it turns out, but I think X3 was a perfect example of why cramming too many storylines into one film never really works out...especially if one of those storylines is as potentially big as the Venom storyline.

But, like I said earlier, X3 was rushed, and this is not. All X3 needed to function was breathing room - the problems with it were mainly due to underdevelopment of things, such as Rogue's subplot, that with a bit higher budget and a significantly larger amount of time would have been fine. A few bits of ropey plot logic aside, the movie worked fine, just fell short in some details. There's no reason why this should happen when they're being so careful to give this the full effort and due diligence it requires. Sony loves Spider-Man in a way that Fox does not love X-Men.

[Kiyosuki]

I hope your right. I still think that sticking to a less cluttered story gets you better results but Batman Returns had both the Penguin and Catwomans origins in the same film and it somehow was pretty good so it can happen.

It'll come down to how connected the Sandman is to Harry I think, since Harry's revenge plot should probably be the catalyst in the film with the symbiote maybe starting out as some small detail...but eventually becoming something that may take the show.

I wonder how they're going to introduce the symbiote. Do you think they can keep it something that came from space, or will it be something like an experiment gone crazy?

[boogie down mikel]

yeah somehow i think both the symbiote and sandman are connected to harry and maybe after sandman faqils and oh id unno the symbiote breaks loose harry takes matters inot his own hands or something

[Wonderboy]

The more I think about it I don't think we'll get to see Venom in this movie. Sure we'll get to see the symboite story played out, but I think that what will happen will be much like what happened with Harry in Spider-Man 2. At the end of the movie the symboite will find Eddie Brock (or vice versa) and we'll see Spidy vs. Venom in Spider-Man 4.

[brockman1988]

I love Spiderman, I just don't want the third film to pull an X3. :(

Has Sam Raimi ever let you down before? He's never let me down.

[Ihaveblink]

He forgot my birthday once and didn't play catch with me.

[Wonderboy]

Not to mention The Gift.

[Drew]

I wonder how they're going to introduce the symbiote. Do you think they can keep it something that came from space, or will it be something like an experiment gone crazy?

Keep in mind what J. Jonah Jameson's son (Mary Janes Fiance') does for a living.

[Kiyosuki]

Keep in mind what J. Jonah Jameson's son (Mary Janes Fiance') does for a living.

Yeah I know, thats how it originally came.

I ask though because the films kind of go for a more earthy feel (well as much as you can get), and alien parasites coming from space is still pretty far out there. Although it would be very accurate.

[mr. broom]

Yeah I know, thats how it originally came.
Yes, if by "originally" you mean "in the Spider-Man cartoon that aired in the early 90s."

KNOW YOUR CANON

[Kiyosuki]

Yes, if by "originally" you mean "in the Spider-Man cartoon that aired in the early 90s."

KNOW YOUR CANON

The symbiote is an extraterrestrial lifeform even in the original comic story...meaning it came from outer space. I admit I'm not the most avid follower of comic book mythos now but I very clearly remember that.

It didn't come in a shuttle though then? Ahg, its been forever since I've even seen the cartoon, let alone the comic but its a minute point. I'm still wondering whether or not they'll keep it an alien something or make it something indigenous for motif sakes.

[mr. broom]

About that much you're correct, but in the comics it took a much more convoluted path. From Wiki:

While embroiled in a major crossover storyline fighting the Secret Wars on an alien planet, Spider-Man had to give up his web shooters to help the heroes escape being crushed by a mountain (dropped on them by the Molecule Man). Needing to find equipment to replace his web shooters, Spider-Man was informed by other heroes of a machine in a nearby lab that could repair his suit. Spidey went searching, but unwittingly activated the wrong machine, freeing from imprisonment a sentient alien symbiote. As Spider-Man touched the black blob, it flowed over his body, forming a new costume which he soon discovered responded to his thoughts, was able to mimic street clothes and seemed to provide an inexhaustible supply of webbing. Once back on Earth, Spider-Man learned the true nature of the costume, and discovered that the symbiote desired to fuse permanently with him, enveloping him at night as he slept, using his unconscious body to go out and fight crime.

The biggest problem with Venom's story is that it has to happen in stages, such that making him actually appear in this film in more than maybe a cameo role at the very end is a very, very bad idea.

[Kiyosuki]

About that much you're correct, but in the comics it took a much more convoluted path. From Wiki:



The biggest problem with Venom's story is that it has to happen in stages, such that making him actually appear in this film in more than maybe a cameo role at the very end is a very, very bad idea.

Heh yeah, they're obviously not going to take Toby Maguire to another planet for these films I think. I'm guessing for the film they'll make it some mysterious substance from a meteorite or some kind of foreign object brought back etc.

[Jolly Bengali]

Or draw upon Ultimate continuity and make it Eddie Brock's dad's project

[boogie down mikel]

im think osbourne and marko are gonna be involved with the creation of the symbiote

[mr. broom]

I don't see how Marko is going to be involved. If they go by canon, which there is every reason to believe they're doing, Flint Marko will be a common criminal.

[Cow Milk?]

Kind of Random...in the movies when do you think Dr.Connors becomes Lizard?

[boogie down mikel]

Kind of Random...in the movies when do you think Dr.Connors becomes Lizard?

it's quite possible this could happen in spidey 3....ive heard rumblings of a fourth villain as a surprise

I don't see how Marko is going to be involved. If they go by canon, which there is every reason to believe they're doing, Flint Marko will be a common criminal.

they're probably not going to go by canon for sandman, they're saying he will have a family so my bet is that he'll be working for oscorp on the symbiote (maybe even Code Name: VENOM) and when the symbiote comes to life it escapes and *gasp* there's an accident in a lab thus creating sandman

[unnecessarily hot]

I thought the trailer looked great and I can't wait. The thought of so many things going on in this movie scares me, but I think Sam Raimi can make it work.

Here are a couple of rumors that I've heard a lot about. Take them with a grain of salt since they aren't confirmed, but a lot of the rumors I've heard from superherohype.com have been true so far.

- The talk is that Sandman is the primary villain in this movie, and that Venom will take a backseat to him as far as screen-time goes. If so I'm a little disappointed, but not extremely. After all, Sandman will probably be Spider-Man's toughest enemy thus far. Plus, just seeing Venom on the big screen will be amazing. It's possible that they'll save Venom for another sequel, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.

- Avi Arad has said that there will be a fourth villain in this movie.
The lizard is definitely one possibility. Another rumor being discussed is that Bruce Campbell will play the role of Mysterio, appearing for a short time as a treat for Spider-Man fans.

[Super Comic Book Guy]

I can't wait to see Hobgoblin because the Green Goblin has been my all time favourite Villain of the Spiderman comic series and movie.

[Wonderboy]

It's not going to be Hobgoblin, just Green Goblin 2.

[Jolly Bengali]

Well, how exactly do you know that? Harry is Hobgoblin in Ultimate continuity, I'm almost positive; as X3 has clearly shown (as the Spider-Man films did beforehand), Marvel movies are not opposed to drawing upon Ultimate for certain plot points.

[Wonderboy]

Honestly, I rather like the idea of Harry becoming Hobgoblin instead of Green Goblin 2, I think it works better on a lot of levels, but I doubt it happening in the film only because of what has been revealed so far.

[unnecessarily hot]

I just came back from Comic Con in San Diego. Marvel had Raimi, Dunst, Howard, Church, Grace, and Mcguire there to present a semi-trailer of the movie and to hold a Q&A session.

Raimi and a producer teased the audience a bit, knowing that we were expecting Venom footage. He went on about how he wanted so much to show the crowd something good, but no footage was good enough for consumption yet. He continued to tease, and then admitted that he had rough footage for everyone to see. It was rough; not all the CG was done, and it was very evident. But it was still cool as hell, because we got a look at Venom.

The trailer went by so fast, that I'm going to use this description from superherohype.com, with some edits since I notice that they have some errors that I recall:

It opens with Tobey Maguire looking into a mirror and opening his shirt to reveal a black costume, with a voice over from Aunt May, "Uncle Ben wouldn't want us living with revenge in our hearts, just like a poison that takes you over and turn us into something ugly." Venom's face flashes in the mirror, shocking Peter. The daunting title card comes on saying "All Will Be Lost," and then the next scene shows Topher Grace as Eddie Brock sitting in a church praying in front of a statue of the Virgin Mary, saying that he is "humbled and humiliated...to ask you for one thing...I want you to kill Peter Parker."

The rest of the teaser footage went by way too fast to describe in detail, but we did see Harry Osborn in a black ninja-like suit swinging a samurai sword at Peter Parker and there were extensive fight scenes between Spider-Man and Sandman, which weren't even close to being finished, but looked quite fantastic. There was also a little more footage of the new Harry Osborn/Goblin character, which Raimi explained later wouldn't be called either the "Green Goblin" or the "Hobgoblin," but it is Harry using his father's Goblin equipment to get revenge on Peter Parker. (So that's two people who don't like Peter Parker… not to mention the Sandman!)

The footage ended with Topher's Eddie Brock feeling something black and gooey hit his hand--obviously the symbiote--and it cuts to the very first image of the computerized Venom, who looks exactly like he does in the comic book if rendered in 3D, looking straight into the camera with his jaws wide open and drooling. If you're a fan of Venom, you're not likely to be disappointed.


Venom looked JUST like you would expect him to. Huge, slimy, sharp teeth, etc. It was really amazing seeing him on a big screen. Here is a wallpaper (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/spiderman3/site/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper2_1024.html)of Grace being taken over by the symbiote.

To clear up some things:
-Bruce Campbell will be playing a maitre'd at a restaurant, not Mysterio as had been rumored, according to some newer sources.
- At Comic Con, Raimi said that Harry won't be true to either the GG2 or Hobgoblin characters; rather, he will take traits from both (in addition to some technology) but he ultimately is his own character.
- In the teaser, we see Harry with a Pumpkin Bomb exploding right next to his face. We were left thinking "who was throwing it? is it just a dream sequence?"
In the footage, (it went by fast so I could be wrong,) Tobey in his normal clothes but with his black suit visible underneath, throws the bomb and then turns around and leaves.

[Wonderboy]

I anxiously await a leak of the trailer or at least some screen caps. Sounds great.

[unnecessarily hot]

I thought about filming, but I decided not to. When someone in front me got their camera confiscated for trying to film Pirates of the Carribean 3 footage, that further convinced me not to. I got pictures of the cast though.

Here is a terrible quality .gif someone put on the internet from Comic Con. It's hard to see but it's probably the best people who weren't there will get

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/iamdownwithp/dv-brock_venom-anim.gif

[Curtis]

http://xmenfilms.net/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Venom2.jpg

WOW.

[Clarence]

I really liked the first movie and thought the second one just plain sucked, but the third could be good with Venom. Hopefully it looks less like a video game then Spiderman 2.

Wow, the first one didn't hold a candle to the second one, could you back up why exactly you think that?

[boogie down mikel]

was it really necessary to bump up a 2 month old thread for such an asinine comment?

[jim]

Wow, the first one didn't hold a candle to the second one, could you back up why exactly you think that?
I posted that months ago... But since you asked.

I didnt think the first was anything too special, but I found it a fun popcorn movie, and it was good to see Spiderman (whose comics I read as a kid) on the bigscreen. Again, nothing special but a fun sunday afternoon at the cinema.

The second one... Well maybe you could tell me what was so good about it? Its criminal that a movie like that can make its way onto the IMDB top 250. Too many teenage boys on the internet.
More over the top CGI special effects, yawn :o| . CGI monster effects stopped being interesting years ago.
An overly sappy love story that I didnt give a shit about. They should have gone for comedy (like the first) instead of a halfassed soap opera with cardboard actors.
The action scenes are ok, but not much different from the first. And there wasnt enough of it. Seems like Spidey is in action for about 15 minutes.

But really, what am I doing analyzing a movie like this. Its meant to be fun and entertaining, and thats what I went to see it for and it didnt deliver. It was slow, repetitive and I'd seen it all before.

[Jolly Bengali]

Spider-Man was fun, yes, but also lapsed too much into camp, and I'm not sure that I liked the climactic sequence - it felt forced, especially with referencing the Gwen Stacy fall. It works as a film but I never really felt like they nailed the tone or kept it consistent. Most of the problems are with the Goblin - Dafoe and the character in general were over-the-top. It's cheesy, yes, and there's a certain amount of fun in that, but it hurts the film respect-wise.

Spider-Man 2, on the other hand, felt the entire time like the filmmakers were confident in what they were doing, and the tone throughout was dead-on where it should be - knowingly campy but not holding up its characters for ridicule, melodramatic, but also serious and with enough integrity to give the emotional moments some heft and the action sequences meaning. All the fights came about naturally, Molina did a wonderful job as Ock, and almost everything about the film seemed like a classier, smarter, better-handled take on the universe the first film set up. And if you liked the fun popcorn movie vibe, Spider-Man 2 almost unquestionably had enough action and humor to put the first to shame.

I can see where you're coming from jim, vaguely - Spider-Man is certainly a less pretentious and ambitious film, and is more melodramatic - but I really think Spider-Man 2 is a flat-out better movie in almost all areas.

[Moose of Doom!]

plus it doesn't have macy gray.

[grissom]

I rewatched the first 2 movies recently, and they're both a lot more campy than I remember. They're both still great though, and I'm really looking forward to number 3.

[Rider On The Storm]

I thought the first one was incredible when I was nine, but after seeing it again, I have to say it's not as good as I remembered. It's a good movie, but just not great... But, the second one... WOW. Such a great film. I've seen it around 6 times, and it's never gotten old. The third looks stunning. Can't wait to see Venom...

[boogie down mikel]

this just in BRUCE CAMPBELL IS FUCKING MYSTERIO

and the new trailer will be attached to the new bond flick

[billi vanilli]

plus it doesn't have macy gray.
i'm months late here but this is a pretty funny post

[lindsay]

Apparently, they are going to show the new trailer during the RW/RR challenge on MTV. It come on 10pm on Thursday for anyone interested.

Edit:
Well, it looks like South Park is showing it too (can't remember if it was the Wednesday showing or Thursday), but I assume more of you would be watching South Park than MTV.

[unnecessarily hot]

Sony is doing an amazing job marketing this.

Spider-Man fans will get a long-awaited sneak peek at Columbia Pictures' highly anticipated motion picture Spider-Man 3 when a new, full-length, two-and-a-half minute trailer debuts in a special unprecedented "road block" across Viacom Inc.'s brands and on the CBS Television Network on Thursday, November 9, at approximately 10:00 pm. Spider-Man 3, starring Tobey Maguire and directed by Sam Raimi, kicks off next summer's moviegoing season on May 4, 2007.

The television networks airing the new trailer include BET, CBS, Comedy Central, Logo, MTV, MTV2, Spike TV and VH1, with each supporting the event with custom promotions both on-air and online. A total of 14 online destinations from Viacom's networks are supporting the airing of the trailer, including AddictingGames.com, AddictingClips.com, BET.com, MTV.com, IFILM.com, Nick.com, ComedyCentral.com, GameTrailers.com, LOGOonline.com, Neopets.com, SpikeTV.com, The-N.com, VH1.com, and Xfire.com.

[boogie down mikel]

...shit

[boogie down mikel]

sorry to double post...but holy flurking shnit that trailer was awesome

[grissom]

Incredible. I cannot fucking wait for this movie.

[Jolly Bengali]

The trailer was oddly disappointing... looks like a lot of cool stuff, but something wasn't there. I'm trying to figure out what, might take awhile.

[cired]

I didn't see the whole trailer, so I was wondering if they showed a complete Venom picture yet? Images were whizzin by so fast, I may have missed it.

[ElroyJetson]

I enjoyed the trailer. But, no it didn't show Venom....you do get to see Peter fighting the Symbiote, though, there is a scene where its all coming off of him like 'screaming tentacles' (Thats the only way I could think to describe it)

[boogie down mikel]

they're probably gonna hold off on venom until the final trailer is released when ghost rider comes out in feb.

[Eddie]

HOLYFUCK

[kevin]

trailer was good. spiderman's the only comicbook movie series i can really get into. looking forward.

[Orange-Neck]

I didn't care for the first 2. Hopefully, this one will be better

[Drew]

I didn't see the trailer. Someone did show me some unfinished trailer (the cg of spidey in some parts is not fully rendered, and there is text around the screen). Still looks fuckin awesome, and in the last 3 seconds they show the finished Venom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5l9fEBs4m8

I cannot wait for this.

[grissom]

Venom at the end looks incredible. Just makes me anticipate this movie even more.

[boogie down mikel]

BAD ASS.

[Jolly Bengali]

Watched the bootleg trailer with the sound off... addressed a lot of my concerns, though. Reminded me more of the main trailer for Spider-Man 2, my guess is they just decided it was a little too early for that sort of trailer.

And Venom seemed dead-on.

[conor.]

is actually shaping up to be the best spider man yet, i havent looked at this thread much but whatever happened to the topher grace rumors?

[lindsay]

what topher grace rumors? that he is in the movie playing eddie brock/venom? (well i guess the CGI is more venom). Because if that is what you are talking about then, it is not really a rumor anymore.

Anyways, why does May to be soooo far away!? That trailer with Venom was probably the most kickass thing.

[Drew]

..and sony took down the trailer I posted.


be glad you saw it because they probably wont show another image of venom for a few more months.

[jack]

here's the full leaked trailer for anyone who's interested.

http://theblemish.com/2006/11/leaked-spider-man-3-trailer/

the whole venom scene does look pretty good, including the approaching symbiote suit and the sounds involved...

i was deep into the spiderman stuff around the time of venom/carnage so this might be my fav. movie of the series, or probably the next as i dont think venom will be a full villain in this one, just set up.

[gravymaster]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/755/755091/venom-20070112104123737.jpg
NICE!

[Eddie]

WHOA

[boogie down mikel]

face and hands look good but body is kinda meh

[Jolly Bengali]

Really gotta wait for the movie to judge, but looks promising

[unnecessarily hot]

At first when I saw that toy I was disappointed that he didn't have the trademark white spider. It's grown on me, though. Given that Spider-Man's suit doesn't have a white spider either, it makes more sense I suppose. I like that Sam Raimi is taking more of a "warped Spider-Man" look than usual with his rendition of Venom.

[Drew]

Anyone see the trailer that premiered during Heroes? First time we saw the "New Goblin" in action. And for the next 24 hours you can download a 6 minute exclusive HD trailer

http://www.nbc.com/Spiderman/

[elipeli]

What about Bruce Cambell? Does anyone know for sure if he's playing Mysterio or not? Good god, if his cameo in this movie is an actual character from the comic, it will make it the best of the three. SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other than that, I'm thinking this one is gonna rock. I realize that multi villan superhero movies always suck, and hard (X3, BATMAN & ROBIN), but I believe this one will be executed WAAAAAAAAAAY better. I have faith in Rami, I'm thinking the plot will mainly focus on Peter and the new outfit. All the other hings, Sandman, Harry trying to take his revenge, a newfound rivalry with Eddie Brock, maybe some problems with MJ, will just push him to take a more negative view of the world. Eventually, I'm guessing, Spidey will do something horrible and make him realize that the costume is bad, maybe accidently killing Sandman or Harry, and he'll rip of the costume using the bell tower, the way he did in the comic. Eddie is in this same Bell tower for some reason, and the costume takes over him, creating Venom, and Spidey's and Venom's battle will be the film's finale.

Just a guess, seems pretty plausile to me...

[Mafia]

the 300 trailer was all about venom... pretty sweet.

[Drew]

And to the weird guy that posted before Mafia; I wouldn't count of Mysterio being in the movie. They already have 3 villains + a mary jane storyline to fit in under 2 hours. I don't think they are going to go x-men 3 on us by having a gang of characters with no storys.

Also, we would have seen somthing in a trailer by now.

[boogie down mikel]

how can you jsutify that multivillain movies all suck....xmen and x2 both had multiple villains so did batman returns

[Jolly Bengali]

X3's weaknesses weren't with many villains, and just look to Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and even Return of the Jedi to realize that independently operating villains can be incredible.

The major problem with them is that there's a greater chance one will really suck, and also it's stupid if they all act directly as henchmen for one uber-villain with little independence because then it just wastes screentime on a character who basically serves as a prelude to the boss battle. Unless it's a character with a very simple pitch - Go-Go Yubari in Kill Bill, for instance - it's useless.

From what I've seen of this, the three villains are independently operating, which should be a great dynamic. And Mysterio I believe was semi-confirmed, most likely as a cold opening where Spidey dispatches him before the credits, would be my guess. Don't count on him running around with the big guys near the end.

[boogie down mikel]

yea i heard mysterio will be a very quick one off thing if it does happen, maybe soemthing public because by all accounts nyc loves spidey prior to the venom suit's appearence

[Mafia]

maybe a james bond-like opening with a minor villain?

[Alpha]

how can you jsutify that multivillain movies all suck....xmen and x2 both had multiple villains so did batman returns
Plus, the Harry Osborn plot probably won't get too much screentime. Judging by what we've seen, most of it will focus on Sandman.

[elipeli]

Okay, not all multi villan superhero movies suck, er, that was pretty stupid of me to say. But most of the time when too many are cramed into one movie the results aren't good.

And just because Mysterio could be in the movie does NOT mean he'd have a big part, Bruce Cambell always does cameos in these movies, so Mysterio could show up, maybe on some time of news program about Spiderman or just randomly on the street at some point, he wouldn't have any part in the movie's story, he'd just show up briefly for a moment or two somehow.

[unnecessarily hot]

http://www.spiderman3oncomcast.com/

Go to "Exclusives," and they have the new trailer. The scene where Eddie Brock in the Venom suit says "Hey Parker..." is just creepy and captures the essence of his character. I can't wait for this.

[Kiyosuki]

Multiple villains *can* work if they're all tied together properly. But thats a tricky thing to do.

A lot of times, sequels to comic book movies start to stuff in as much as they possibly can for fanservice reasons alone. No matter how cool it is to see so-and-so character on screen that tends to wear off real quick if the movie just has no focus whatsoever, one of the most important elements in any film.

Although in this film it seems like they could possibly manage to pull it off, as they're making a big deal about the "enemy" within being the true villain and everything else is just crap Peter has to deal with...not that much unlike how the comic tends to be.

And Venom looks and sounds great. But looks alone won't dictate whether this ends up good or not. Look at Daredevil.

[unnecessarily hot]

Raimi's villains have served to emphasize the theme of the movie and how it relates to Spider-Man. To do that he's given each of his villains a story that isn't just "I'm big and I'm going to kill you." Look at Sandman...he could've just made him a ruthless criminal, but as you can tell from the trailers he's got a huge connection with Spider-Man. There's obviously an element of "we're putting Venom in here to please the fans." But I think Raimi will prevent the villains from getting the shaft, in both the character and the action departments.

[Curtis]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/lhbigpimpin06/Venom.jpg

[Drew]

http://media.movies.ign.com/media/041/041073/vids_1.html

Ign just released a new trailer today with Venom in action. Can't wait for this shit to come out.

[W.P.]

The film-novel is already out and, of course, it gives away the whole plot. I could simply look up some fanboy's review of the book, but what fun would that be? ;)

[lindsay]

wow... i totally realized it comes out in less than a month. Unfortunitely, i won't be able to see it opening weekend.. :( I have two exams on saturday and since it's my last weekend before I go home, I'd rather go out (not to the movies) and hang out with my friends.

[conor.]

can't wait for this, really excited to see topher grace in something again.

[grissom]

Less than a week to go. I'm really psyched for this movie. The trailers look awesome and the plot is sounding really good from what I've read. Picking up my advance tickets tomorrow to make sure I get a seat on Friday night.

[Eddie]

Friday night!!!! Whoooo!!!

Y'know, I really do feel so fortunate that the two Marvel franchises that are nearest and dearest to my heart are the two that have actually been done definite justice on the big screen (Spidey and the X-Men, obviously).

Daredevil and Hulk were all right and the Blade flicks were okay, I guess, but the Punisher? The Fantastic Four? Elektra? What a bummer to be a super hardcore fan of those characters.

Favreau better not fuck up Iron Man.

[Kamerica]

spidey reviews are coming in...mixed

[billi vanilli]

fantastic four wasn't that bad.

i'm sorta looking forward to this. they've done a pretty bad job advertising it, though. i don't think this isn't going to be nearly as big at the box office as the others have been.

[General Jack D. Ripper]

Link to the reviews?

[billi vanilli]

any idea what the budget was on this thing?

[Kamerica]

Link to the reviews?
check metacritic

[Eddie]

^rotten tomatoes is where it's at

i keep reading that it's the most expensive movie ever made, surpassing jackson's king kong, which evidently held the record previously

better check boxofficemojo

also, if this doesn't hold up to my/the general public's expectations, my kneejerk explanation would be that raimi didn't grow up with the venom character and thus couldn't put as much life/vigor into the production as the previous movies.

[Kamerica]

Production Budget: $258 million

shiiiiit

[billi vanilli]

that is insane. what did they spend all that money on? in-fucking-sane.

[lindsay]

since i don't have to worry about my exams anymore, I get to see it this weekend (if i can even get a ticket...). The thing is that since this is the first official week the new movie theater around here opens, movies are going to be only $1, so you know it's going to be pretty impossible to get a ticket. I might have to wait tuesday after i come home to see it.

But.. i am sooooo super excited about it. Ever since i saw the first trailer doing superman last year, i've been just so pumped about it.

[W.P.]

73% on rotten tomatoes?
Comparisons to the Fantastic Four on levels of character development?
Just "on par" special effects?!




I'm still looking forward to this.

[Eddie]

wait 'til late friday before you react to the rotten tomatoes score

[grissom]

Eh, I don't listen to critics much anymore. Still anticipating this regardless of what they're saying.

[Alpha]

It's too early to freak out over the Tomatometer. The movie will collect more reviews soon and the score will go up. I guarantee it.

[brody]

Ever since i saw the first trailer doing superman last year, i've been just so pumped about it.

spider-man 3's trailer was doing superman? wow, how'd that go down? :D

[boogie down mikel]

me @ imax thursday midnite for spidey 3....epic :bang:

[Kiyosuki]

Either way its the end of the "series" so its worth checking out. It does look like they will at least put a somewhat better effort than the third X Men movie turned out.

[General Jack D. Ripper]

Where'd you hear it was the end of the series? I never heard anything like that, but then again, I haven't looked through this whole thread.

[Mike Scully]

Spiderman 3 has 3 villains, 2 love interests, and seems to have a large number of plots at play. A film that tries to take on so much is bound to get a lukewarm reception from the critics, who usually prefer tighter films.

That's not to say it won't be a hugely entertaining flick.

[Alpha]

I doubt it's the end. Spider-Man films have proved to be very lucrative and Raimi has shown interest in directing more.

If this series ends without introducing the Lizard, I'm going to be disappointed. Seriously. Dr. Curt Connors has appeared in both films so far and we know he's appearing in the third. It's time for him to mutate.

[boogie down mikel]

if they do a 4th i could the emergence of carnage and the lizard

[grissom]

I seriously doubt this will be the last in the series. The first two were incredibly popular, and there's no reason to believe this one won't be. And it's not like they don't have plenty of source material to work with. There are a lot of villains that they haven't used yet.

[Kiyosuki]

Spiderman 3 has 3 villains, 2 love interests, and seems to have a large number of plots at play. A film that tries to take on so much is bound to get a lukewarm reception from the critics, who usually prefer tighter films.

That's not to say it won't be a hugely entertaining flick.

Thats what I'm mainly afraid of too, but hey...look how quickly Harry enters and leaves the Villain scene. It seems like he's more a part of Peter's personal development than a full blown villain. So that leaves Sandman...who's a relatively minor note villain even in the comic (except with the little change they made about him killing Ben in this film.), and Venom. And thing is, is Venom is kind of unique as far as villains go because the Symbiote is as much an idea (corruption) as it is one guy. Since Peter will be dealing with his inner dark side and the Symbiote for most of the film, while Eddie in the meantime unfortunatly becomes New York's fallout boy...only to become Venom later on...I think they could manage it.

As long as the Venom storyline remains the predominant, all encompassing plotline with Harry and Sandman as more "background" to that than full plotlines it should be fine as far as fitting too much into one movie.

Difference between this and X3 is that while there's a bunch that will go on in Spiderman 3, its mostly all a compressed and tampered with Venom-origin/Black Spiderman storyline for the whole film to tackle. No matter what happens, its all about Peter struggling with himself. Thats the glue that looks like it'll hold it all together. Where as X3 was handling the Pheonix storyline, the Dark Pheonix storyline, Archangel's origin, a sort of weird take on the Sentinel storyline (without the Sentinels.) and thats not even touching the like...4-5 individual character stories going at the same time, all in the span of a 2 hour film. It was one of the most overstuffed and focusless movies I've ever seen.

Since Spiderman has a much smaller cast and not a huge a scope as X-Men does I'm actually sorta confident it'll at least not suffer from that.

[grissom]

I liked X3 more than most, but you made some fair criticisms kiyo. I think Spiderman 3 should be a lot more focused, even though it does have a lot of stuff going on.

[Drew]

Early reviews on IGN are good. They had said they were worried about the over stuffing, but they played it out really well. I also believe they said it was the best Superhero movie yet.

Also, Kirsten Dunst had said this is most likely her last Spidey movie.


Overpaid bitch, go make more awful movies with Orlando Bloom instead.

[boogie down mikel]

harry osbourne was never a full fledged supervillain

[Kiyosuki]

harry osbourne was never a full fledged supervillain

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/3280/sm3gob2jo6.jpg

At least he's full fledged X-Treme with his flying X-Box.

[General Jack D. Ripper]

There's a short clip on yahoo movies where MJ listens to a message from Peter and is abducted by....
http://movies.yahoo.com/summer-movies/Spider-Man-3/1808496334/trailers/22;_ylt=AgIFOIGXCbgoYFHyaTABKHpfVXcA

EDIT: I also read at IGN that Raimi plans to make a Spider-man 4 but they're not sure which actors will return and they're saying someone that dies in 3 might turn out to be alive in 4 (my money's on Harry).

[J.Re*]

trailers are getting more and more venom-centric as the days go on. i really thing sandman is going to be some short little crap story at the beginning and the movie is going to be 90% venom. so excited for that.

[unnecessarily hot]

trailers are getting more and more venom-centric as the days go on. i really thing sandman is going to be some short little crap story at the beginning and the movie is going to be 90% venom. so excited for that.

Spoiler ahead about Venom's time in the movie...don't read if you want to be surprised:

He actually is in the movie for a very short time. Some critics have even panned the movie for this fact. It's become apparent that Harry, Sandman, and the Vulture were the original villains for the movie, but producer Avi Arad pushed for Venom to be in the movie. Sam Raimi worked him in, but he wound up getting the shaft as far as time goes. The Venom-centric advertising campaign is probably a ploy to get more audience.

I love the commercials with Venom. He has looked badass.

[Jolly Bengali]

I firmly believe Sandman is the main villain of the story, and that Eddie Brock will have far more screentime than Venom. A free-for-all melee at the end of the film will be more than enough to justify Venom's inclusion, though.

Keep in mind, not a spoiler, just a prediction.

[conor.]

im at a crossroads now, i have only 2 more schools days left to "miss" without having to make up days into the summer, really thinking of going to the 12:01 showing tonight.

thoughts?

[boogie down mikel]

16 hours left :megabang:

[grissom]

im at a crossroads now, i have only 2 more schools days left to "miss" without having to make up days into the summer, really thinking of going to the 12:01 showing tonight.

thoughts?
It's worth it to miss the day. It's pretty close to the end of the year anyway, so you won't be totally screwed with only 1 day left to stay home.

[Eddie]

CRITIC CONSENSUS!

"Though there are more characters and plotlines, and the action sequences still dazzle, Spider-Man 3 nonetheless isn’t quite as refined as the first two."

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/

[SudsMcDuff]

CRITIC CONSENSUS!

"Though there are more characters and plotlines, and the action sequences still dazzle, Spider-Man 3 nonetheless isn’t quite as refined as the first two."

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/

Not surprised, the same thing happened with the Batman films. It's easier when you're focused on one story and one villain. Once you start cramming multiple villains with multiple back stories into the same 2-hour block you're going to thin out other areas of the film.

[Alpha]

Has anyone here checked out Spider-Man 2.1? I bought it today and I plan to watch it tonight.

Those ratings disappoint me, but I'm not going to let them sway my anticipation. I'm sure the movie will be awesome. And keep in mind, there are still plenty of reviews on the way.

[Jolly Bengali]

Conor, just go to school tired. I can't tell you how many times I came to school after an all-nighter in senior year alone.

[Milhouse Van Houten]

just got my ticket for midnight! you can bet i will be back here around 3 giving my opinion.

this should be interesting, i havent read a spiderman comic since civil war started so it will be good to get some exposure to one of my favorites again.

i think im going to start another thread for comics...

[Eddie]

dude we just had one from roarke :bang:

[Milhouse Van Houten]

dude we just had one from roarke :bang:
crap. http://www.nohomers.net/showthread.php?p=1584040#post1584040
mods, feel free to merge. this is what i get for not searching...

[StrideR]

Fuck.

More in the morning.

[Milhouse Van Houten]

without using any spoilers at all; i thoroughly enjoyed. funniest one of the 3, some extremely cheesy parts that i could have done without and a plot hole that seems to be fixed in an "easy way out" kinda way.

as of right now, its about on par with number two. one is still the best.

[Gabbo]

i thought it was pretty terrible compared to the first two and the plot was very zzz.

but maybe i was just tired.

[conor.]

went down to the theater at 11:30, all 3 midnight showings were sold out, i got tickets for a 7:30 show tonight, but i cant ever remember this happening before (granted i never saw Star wars at midnight)

[boogie down mikel]

fucking epic epic stuff

absolutely enjoyed the whole thing, topher grace really got both sides of the character and he did a superb job for such a dangerous character to portray

:megabang:

[J.Re*]

seems to be fixed in an "easy way out" kinda way.everything in this movie seemed to be like an "easy way out".
If this wasn't a Spiderman movie, it would be terrible. They don't really develop anyone and it has a lot of cheesy moments.
Some things save it from these points though.
- Spiderman has always been known for cheesy humor
- It has Spiderman 1 and 2 to rely on for character development
- It's a comic book movie
Sandman's origin story was basically really corny, at least the way it was executed on film

All the action was really cool though. But what is with Raimi's obsession with gigantic fights in places with obstructions but you can still see through. Such as the building that was under construction and the train thing. It is just so confusing for fast paced fights, you cant tell where they are, who's smacking off of what and what direction is up.

etc:
topher grace is such a wimpy venom. too small, but I'm glad that it was more of a venom movie than a sandman movie.
venom coming in on a meteor = weak. give me the cartoon version where jay jameson went to the moon and brought it back with him

I'm gonna go with rotten tomatoes in the 65% range. But yeah... I was tired, usually only stay up until 10:30, 3AM was rough.

[unnecessarily hot]

The movie was a lot of fun, but I think it really proved that having two villains is skirting the line of "too much," and having three villains just doesn't work.

The serious scenes near the end were hard to take seriously, as none of the characters really were developed enough to the point where I could feel sympathy for them. It was really unfortunate that people in my theater were laughing at inappropriate parts. Also contributing to that I thought was the excessive humor. I like Raimi's campiness and some of the cute comedic scenes in the Spider-Man movies, but the comedy, mostly intentional but some unintentional, took away from the most serious scenes.

Also, yeah, there were a ton of convenient plot points which seemed to be quick fixes. The meteor's arrival, the butler revelation, Gwen's 5 connections to Peter, etc.

The fight scenes were awesome, and I thought Venom looked awesome. Topher Grace pulled off the "I'm obsessed with getting revenge on you" personality well, I thought. It was a fun experience but definitely the story needed a lot more room to breathe.

[J.Re*]

It was really unfortunate that people in my theater were laughing at inappropriate parts.

"I loved your father" ? Yeah, that was hilarious

[Milhouse Van Houten]

topher grace wasnt a great pick to play venom...which is strange because all the casting in the previous two (and even most of three) has been spot on in my opinion. and CG venom looked really bad ass.
also in my opinion: bruce campbell's funniest cameo as well as stan lee's funniest.

some friends and i are going to be seeing it again at 9:00 tonight in an IMAX an hour or so from here.

seeing peter kick the snot out of harry again will be worth the ticket price to me

also did anyone else think when gwen stacy was falling off that building that spiderman was going to try to save her and snap her neck? i know that the films don't follow amazing spiderman too closely and even that wouldn't have quite been right...i was expecting it to happen when i saw her fall though

[Curtis]

I went opening night last night and here are my thoughts:

Going into the movie I had high expectations as it featured one of my favorite comic book characters of all time, Venom. I knew this movie had a lot to tackle so maybe he wouldn't get all the screen time but I didn't like the way it ended...

I thought the love triangle thing between Mary Jane, Harry and Peter was well done. I loved Harry as the "New Goblin" (Despite the fact I wanted him to be called Hobgoblin) and all his fight scenes with Spidey were awesome

Sandman's backstory was cheesy but they wanted to make him a sentimental character so I'll let that slide a little and with a jam packed movie it would be hard to fit more of the daughter story in.

The special effects were stunning. Parts like symboyete being ripped off Parker and Sandman forming were awesome.

I liked the story and would have liked more parts with Venom but they only had 2 and a half hours.

Toby was great again as Spider Man and I thought Topher Grace did a great job as Eddie Brock.

Now the thing that REALLY pisses me off is them killing off Eddie Brock. Venom is essentially Spider Man's Joker. His biggest nemesis and greatest foe yet we get a half hour of him. Like I said earlier I can deal with that BUT they went and killed Eddie at the end of the movie. They could have used that character so well in the next movie(s). Especially considering he killed Harry. I think Rami didn't care about the Venom character and wanted to use him once then be done with him, which is a shame because he is such a huge part of Spider Man's story.

Overall a great movie and probably the second greatest comic book movie after Batman Begins.

[boogie down mikel]

dude venom is not spidermans joker....the green goblin is by far

[General Jack D. Ripper]

Green Goblin is, but Venom's a fan favorite. Like I said in another post one of the characters that died (like the ones Curtis mentioned) might come back in Spider-man 4.

[TriforceBun]

I thought it was good. Weaker than the first two due to some OOC moments, a couple weak plot devices, and some contrived conflicts between MJ and Peter, but everything else worked.

"I loved your father" ? Yeah, that was hilarious

Hah, happened at my theater too.

Also, Simpsons reference! J. J. Jameson: "What're you waiting for, Chinese New Year?" Exactly the same line as in Moe n' a Lisa. Or maybe the writers of OFF decided to throw that in after seeing part of the movie. I dunno enough about the moviemaking process to know when it could've been added, but it made me laugh either way.

I agree about the film being the funniest of the three. Ursula in particular was hilarious. "I left the phone on the thing!"

[Alpha]

The Tomatometer is moving dangerously close to "Rotten" territory.

I'm seeing it tonight. Can't fuckin' wait. And I'm going downtown with some friends on Saturday, so (if we have time) I may get to see it a second time with them.

Yes. I'm expecting to love it.

[lolpenis_taco]

seeing it tomorrow night.

drove by the theater this afternoon and yelled "AUNT MAY DIES" to everyone in line. it was pretty sweet.

[General Jack D. Ripper]

seeing it tomorrow night.

drove by the theater this afternoon and yelled "AUNT MAY DIES" to everyone in line. it was pretty sweet.
:LOL:

[Eddie]

tix tonite for 11:30 :nerdbang:

[brody]

did they reply, whisman?

[Moose of Doom!]

just got back. it's good, but very very messy, to the point where pretty much every character except peter and mary jane just appear and disappear at random.

and it's a musical too.

one major WTF moment that drove me and my friends nuts was the whole crane sequence. he saves gwen, drops her off where debris is still falling, and then runs off? what happened to the giant crane destroying everything?

j.re*, "i loved your father" got my whole theater laughing.

[conor.]

i had an awesome audience in a packed theater. really enjoyed the movie, although i felt it could've been trimmed up a bit.

audience helped make the movie really people yelling "PUT IT ON MAN" when peter goes back to his red/blue suit.

also i'll be a bit shocked if this doesnt beat pirates record, i dont recall a time i've ever seen so many people at our theater, i had to get there an hour early for decent seating, and tickets were sold out all day today even the noon shows.

[kevin]

it was ok. i was in a theater with a bunch of faggy little kids and an audience that applauded like five different times which was incredibly lame.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

audience helped make the movie really people yelling "PUT IT ON MAN" when peter goes back to his red/blue suit.that sounds pretty ungodly 'faggy' to me. that's how audiences ruin shows.

[jim]

From IMDB


Movie Reviews: 'Spider-Man 3' (Pt. 2)
Spider-Man faces three villains in his new movie, but he's facing a lot more in the film section of your local newspaper. Critics, for the most part, have been relentless in their expressions of disappointment with Spider-Man 3 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/). "One gets the sense of a mighty franchise in wheel-spinning mode," writes Gene Seymour in Newsday (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478213/). "You'd like to think it's catching a second wind for an even mightier return. But you also wonder how much further it can go from here." Joe Morgenstern (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0605156/) in the Wall Street Journal expresses his let down this way: "While it's too harsh to suggest that what was fresh has gone completely stale, the truth lies in between, as with day-old bread." And Manohla Dargis in the New York Times seems just plain ticked off that the producers didn't produce better. "Aesthetically and conceptually wrung out, fizzled rather than fizzy, this latest installment in the spider-bites-boy adventure story shoots high, swings low and every so often hits the sweet spot, but mostly just plods and plods along, as if its heart were pumping tired radioactive blood," she writes. Rick Groen asks in the Toronto Globe & Mail: "How did the franchise tumble from God's right hand straight down into the blockbuster's infernal banality?" Michael Booth in the Denver Post remarks that the movie is simply an overblown remake of the first two. "Everyone, in short, should move on. Show's over. There's nothing to see here, folks. Perhaps no two spider webs are alike, but it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference." And the headline of Eleanor Ringel Gillespie's review in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution sums up in three adjectives her criticism of the film: "Overlong, overdone and underthought." Still, several critics do have praise for the film's special effects. Joel Siegel (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0796954/) of ABC (http://www.imdb.com/company/co0037052/)'s Good Morning America (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072506/) called them "the most breathtakingly believable" he's ever seen at the movies.

I think I'll give it a miss. I thoroughly disliked the second, and the criticisms in the above about 3 are very similar to criticisms I wrote on here about the second film.

[Reservoir Dog]

I just got back from it. It went from great action sequences to screeching halts over and over again. They totally screwed up the Harry character. Most of the dialogue was literally laughable (seriously the theater was laughing at the corny talks everybody had. For god sakes everyone is a fountain of knowledge, even the fucking butler). And just the cheesiest most predictable formulaic story. The fight scenes were this movie's savior. They were very original and entertaining. Thats about it.

7/10 - very generous

[Stackhouse]

how could you dislike spiderman 2. thats nearly impossible

that said, this was pretty good, not nearly as good as the first two.
perhaps it was hampered by the screen in my theatre which went blurry about halfway through the movie, and no one knew how to fix it completely. so they left it for the last hour with the left third blurry and the rest clear. total moodkiller, obviously. then later the manager blamed it on the "distribution company sending a bad copy". i guess ill go see it again.

[Reservoir Dog]

Thats funny because the theater I went to, about halfway through, the screen started to turn different shades of color and it kind of flashed red and blue for a while. Weird

[billi vanilli]

fucking EPIC.

loved every minute of it. great momentum. amazing action. great closure. i didn't like the first two NEARLY as much as many did (first one is like a B- and second one a B), but this was in a class of its own. the special effects were so great and the storytelling was there in such a unique way and the villains were so well fleshed out (church was so fucking well cast) and.. ARGH there were just so many great things about this movie. i don't even know where to begin!

amazing movie. A.

[Dead Nigga Storage]

thanks cosmo kramer.

[billi vanilli]

i don't know who that is but ok. you're welcome

[Eddie]

Uhhh. Come again, Navin?

The movie was...good. Just...good.

I was a little bummed by it. Out of three X-Men movies and three Spider-Man movies, this is the only time I haven't left the theater so entirely jazzed and pumped and envigorated by the fucking nerd-glory that is comic books.

Ever since the first movie, every dumbass internet dork has been saying "Dude, they gotta put Venom in one of these movies!!! He's fucking badass! Best character ever!" And from the very beginning, I have said NO. You don't need Venom in these movies. It will not work on the big screen. And while Raimi definitely translated the character very well (the special effects were terrific, and I thought Topher Grace did a really good job as Brock)...what's so great about Venom, anyway? Pretty boring character actually. And while I don't care if they throw in lots of supernatural/sci-fi stuff into the comics (they've done that for decades), they don't need that in these movies.

On top of that, Raimi did not grow up reading Venom comics. He grew up reading comics with the Sandman. I think the filmmakers felt obligated by all those fucking retards who go ape-shit for superficial "badass" villains, so they throw Venom into the movie, even though Raimi himself has no passion or interest in the character.

They barely even explained what the fucking thing was! No one familiar with the Venom character is going to have any clue what that was really all about. "Okaaay...so some goo fell from the sky and made everybody it touched scary?" I mean what the hell.

Take out the whole Venom/Eddie Brock character/story and this would have been so much better. Focus entirely on the Sandman, Harry, Peter, Mary Jane, and give Gwen Stacy more screen time (she was fucking hot, too...damn), maybe even throw in her classic death scene.

But even with Venom, I was surprised at how fairly cohesive and complete the story felt by the end, though it did move at a very, very fast pace.

And yeah, the special effects were amazing, and the humor was good, and Bruce Campbell was GOLD, but this definitely lacked a little something. I mean, look at that ending compared to the other two! The first two ended on such incredible blasts of Spidey energy and this one's got this very somber, mildly hopeful ending between Peter and Mary Jane? I don't want that to be the final image of what will most likely be the last movie in this series!

I was not absolutely blown away in the slightest, and I really didn't think that was going to happen. I should be too excited right now to sleep for another three hours.

Spider-Man 2 (A) > Spider-Man (A) > Spider-Man 3 (B-)

[billi vanilli]

what a buzzkill.

whatever. i loved it. i see where you're coming from regarding venom, and my grade will probably drop to an B+/B with repeated viewings, but i thought it was great

[billi vanilli]

oh and it helps to go in with no high expectations whatsoever

[Eddie]

Plus the first two were so thematically perfect. Such full, complete, moving, powerful pictures. This one's like...okay. Here we go again.

And the thing is, I had many issues with the third X-Men movie...that definitely has its share of problems. But regardless...when I left my screening of that thing I had the NERDSHAKES. In that exact moment I was so fucking enthralled. All my little geeky issues with it wouldn't be a problem until like my third or fourth viewing, and even then, I wouldn't really give a shit.

Even after I had seen Spider-Man 2, and thought it was BETTER than the first one, I still would tell people that I would have been okay going the rest of my life with only one perfect Spider-Man movie.

I really like the idea of people being able to look back at the history of film in 50 years and say "Yes, there was one great Spider-Man movie!" But now, just like with Superman, Batman, the X-Men, Star Wars, the Matrix, Harry Potter, etc., etc., we have to say "Yeah, the first one was great, and the second one was awesome, but the first one did have this thing that the second one didn't have, and the third one was good but I liked this better in the second one and then in this one there was..." Can't we just leave shit alone? No, no, we gotta have ANOTHER Die Hard. ANOTHER Indiana Jones...I wish we didn't have to take the risk. Strike gold the one time, and let that satisfy you.

But I guess that's just not the nature of the movie business and I'm just complaining too much. Time for bed!

[billi vanilli]

hm see i liked the third x-men the most too. guess im just a freak or something

and good call about going to sleep. later thread

[Eddie]

wow, really? i mean it's one thing to think these movies are good or bad, but the best of all three? you nutty nuts

but the best way to sum up my opinion: First two Spider-Man movies I LOVED and they were GREAT. The third one I didn't think was great but I didn't hate it either...so I liked it.

Seeeing it with the fam again tonight.

[Mafia]

this movie should have set up venom. i'm bummed that they found a way to easily continue the venom story and then decided to make topher an idiot. leaves little for the inevitable sequels that will come with a different director/cast. they followed the comics pretty well with harry's storyline (amnesia, shaky returns to friendship, remembering, keeping it a secret, eventually saving peter and dying in the process).

it was a good film with just too much to juggle. It kept rotating plots pretty much. It'd go from Sandman arc to Harry arc to Eddie arc to Sandman arc, etc. I might have actually enjoyed it a little bit more than Spider-man 2, which i thought was also weighed down by the Peter/MJ love subplot, although 2 is clearly the better made film.

If or when they make a 4, they need some fresh blood behind the movie. Since most people think 3 was good but not great, it will easily get a 4th movie. I'll keep seeing these movies until they start to suck ala Superman 3, Batman Forever/Robin, Hulk 1, etc. Even the worst spider-man entry was still a hell of a lot more enjoyable than Superman Returns.

[Drew]

I thought the movie was pretty awesome. I saw the first midnight showing of it. Story-wise, it wasn't the best Spider-Man, however it had the most action, the best villains, and by far the best special effects that more than made up for it. It was really enjoyable, and I'll probably see it again in a week.

It also broke box office reacords in the US by making 59million in one day.

[Jolly Bengali]

I'm all about the overly wordy post straining to articulate mixed thoughts about something.

But fuck if I can figure out what I thought about that movie, and not worth the energy to try.

[gheorghe]

i'm seeing this next saturday f/ my birthday with some friends. whats the general consensus of this? good? very good? quite very good?

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

emo-Parker was hilarious, but most of the film seemed a bit disjointed. got really predictable and cliched towards the end. also i really didn't see the need for 3 bad guys, kinda added to the disjointed-ness. overall it was decent though.

[grissom]

Saw it last night. I really enjoyed it. Best of the series for me. There were definitely a few cheesy and stupid moments, but they were overshadowed by everything else. I was worried they wouldn't be able to pull everything together with so much stuff going on, but I think everything was wrapped up pretty nicely by the end. The action sequences were fantastic. Venom's part was entirely too brief, but it was still handled pretty well.

The audience in my theater really sucked. A bunch of stupid parents decided to bring their six year olds along, and they all started screaming and crying every time there was a loud noise. They weren't too bad about cheering over stupid stuff though. Only thing that got people clapping was when one of Harry's grenades came out of nowhere and hit sandman in the final fight scene.

[TriforceBun]

I did think the movie had some moderate issues--mostly regarding character conflicts (what the heck was MJ's problem pre-Glen kiss? Peter tries to cheer her up regarding the bad reviews, and she, moody as ever, claims he "doesn't understand." That's not the MJ we know), some deux ex machinas (the symbiote landing there was just too coincidental. With Green Goblin and Doc Ock, it at least makes sense as to WHY it happened...also, the butler stuff), and some movie cliches (utilizing amnesia, even if it does make for some good scenes with Harry, is rarely a good idea). Also, Venom was somewhat wasted.

However, despite its overstuffed-yet-undercooked story, the movie's pacing was quick, the action scenes were well-done, most of the characterizations were believable, and the numerous conflicts kept me entertained. The movie took a few risks, which I liked, and it wrapped up most of the story at the end. It wasn't bad. Flawed, but an entertaining popcorn flick that simply doesn't have the balance or depth of the first two.

Am I the only one that absolutely loved Ursula (the landlord's daughter)? I found practically every line of hers to be hilarious, and somewhat Ralph-like.

[grissom]

Just saw the Ebert and Roeper review. Roeper and whoever his idiot guest critic is hated it and made some pretty dumb criticisms. Apparently venom is "boring and not menacing enough."

[mayo]

i don't even like these movies, but whatever.

saw it last night. pretty good. they tied things up okay at the end, although i felt more an epilogue would've been better.

venomized-parker was hilarious. conor oberst/emo look plus the popped collar = lol

[The mayor of Albuquerque]

I liked the humor in this one quite a bit, and that's not something I really remember from the first two. That brief shot of Spidey in front of a flag got our entire theater laughing - high cheese, that was. I also rather enjoyed the relationship dynamic covering every character, bad and good. It streched the movie a bit, but made the characters and their motivations that much more real. Great effects, of course. I guess we can just take that for granted now.
I actually was less than thrilled with some of the action sequences because I found it hard to tell what was happening, especially the first fight scene - it was so fast paced and so dark that it all sort of bled together for me.

Overall, B+, give or take. Not the best of the series, but certainly rewatchable.

[Green_Peaness]

I just saw it...I didn't like Spiderman much so I didn't see #2, but my friends made me go to this. It was actually good. It was far more interesting than the first one. My biggest complaint is the end, the last scene was unnecessary and it would've made things more interesting if they'd left it off. I think the guys who've seen it already would agree (and hopefully that wasn't too big a spoiler)

[TheForbiddenDonut]

...what's so great about Venom, anyway? Pretty boring character actually. And while I don't care if they throw in lots of supernatural/sci-fi stuff into the comics (they've done that for decades), they don't need that in these movies.
I thought I was the only one who thought so. But in any event Venom was better in this movie than in any comic as far as I'm concerned.

My thoughts: I loved it. Nowhere near as good as the second, but I'd still prefer it to the first. I'm surprised how everything was tied up fairly well at the end. Humor was great. Lee's and Campbell's best cameos. Loved Aunt May with her moralizing. But there are definitely some things that bothered me. I'll put a spoiler tag around them just in case: Sandman, as great as he was, pulled an out-of-nowhere attitude change with going from 'I hate Spider-Man; I'm going to kill him and endanger innocent bystanders' to 'Whoa, two people I hardly know just died, now let me hold Spider-Man in awe and apologize and explain everything about his uncle and redeem myself and leave'. And it would have been great if the movie actually explored what effect the Sandman killer revelation has on his role as Spider-Man. I mean, we all know Peter became Spider-Man because he could have prevented his uncle's murderer and it's his fault. So now that it's not his fault (I am keeping in mind that Sandman's accomplice was an indirect cause of Uncle Ben's death, but Sandman revealed that far after Peter learned what happened), I think there should have been one scene in which he ruminated over whether he should continue being Spider-Man, or deciding that his responsibility shouldn't be attributed to his guilt or whatever. It's still a great movie though.

[brody]

lizard and carnage for next movie i hear :gatorshrug:

[grissom]

I wish they'd stick to one major villain for the next movie, but those two would be pretty fucking awesome. Seems plausible too, since Dr. Connors has been introduced in the movies already and there's plenty of symbiote left at the original landing site to transform Carnage.

[J.Re*]

one critical problem with carnage
eddie brock died.... which was retarded as it is. the fun in carnage was venom and spider-man as a team.

[Jake]

I'm not going to repeat what's been said before: It's not as good as Part 2, but better than the first and it should've been an hour longer and not tried to cram so many angles into a 2.25 Hour movie.

Grade: B/B-

[grissom]

one critical problem with carnage
eddie brock died.... which was retarded as it is. the fun in carnage was venom and spider-man as a team.
Good point, but I'm sure they could still pull it off somehow.

[Eddie]

if they make a fourth spider-man movie i'm going to kill myself

[Jake]

if they make a fourth spider-man movie i'm going to kill myself

Sam Rami confirmed there'll be a part 4, 5, and 6 whether he wants to direct them or not.

[unnecessarily hot]

"I loved your father" ? Yeah, that was hilarious

Actually that was hilarious. But people were laughing at the scene post-final battle, which you know was very serious. (Presumably, it was laughter carried over from
Peter crying at the end of the final battle but it still killed the moment.)

[Eddie]

Sam Rami confirmed there'll be a part 4, 5, and 6 whether he wants to direct them or not.
awwwfuck me

[Big McLargehuge]

The results of opening day are in, and at $59 million, the movie just set the new record, beating the Pirates of the Caribbean sequel by about $3 million.

Though due to the fact that I've been really busy, I won't be able to see it until later in the week.

[Moose of Doom!]

Sandman, as great as he was, pulled an out-of-nowhere attitude change with going from 'I hate Spider-Man; I'm going to kill him and endanger innocent bystanders' to 'Whoa, two people I hardly know just died, now let me hold Spider-Man in awe and apologize and explain everything about his uncle and redeem myself and leave'.

another messageboard has screencaps from some deleted stuff (sandman got a shitload cut out), and apparently the end was originally going to feature sandman's wife and girl showing up at the construction site and the sight of them makes him realize blah blah blah.

i just saw it as him realizing being sand-gozilla wasnt helping his daughter get better and that he done fucked up.

[Ryan]

Saw it last night. Pretty good. but they did cram a bit too much into the movie. i was suprised when i looked at my ticket and saw that it went for just over 2.5 hours. I'd give it an 8.5/10

then later the manager blamed it on the "distribution company sending a bad copy". i guess ill go see it again.

most, if not all movie theatres would give you a free ticket if shit like that happened during the movie. If you didnt get a freebie, demand one!

[mr. broom]

hm see i liked the third x-men the most too.

That's a disqualification from all future discussion. Seriously.

Spoilers, probably, below.

Sandman was pointless. Venom got zero development (made it obvious that he was only in there becase Avi Arad made Sam Raimi put him in there). Harry's was the only wortwhile story arc, and even that didn't get the attention it deserved. Frankly, I liked the camp bits with Peter acting out. They were absurd, but so is his character. He's a geek. When you get your geekparts amplified and your inhibitions turned off, that's exactly how you're going to act. He was like every pathetic little twit you knew in college who thought he was hot shit, only thi