NASCAR (anyone welcome this time)

[Spartan]

Hopefully this year we can get some new regulars and increase the number from the 5 we had last year.

Well, speedweeks are just days away and testing is all but done. I'll run the PCC again this year, of course, and I'm looking for some competition. new rules, we'll get to that later.

So for now until actual speedweeks start...next sunday I guess with the budweiser shootout?...predictions are welcome, like any sports thread.

24
17
12
48
6
97
42
20
16
38

That's my top ten prediction after richmond, for the chase. sort of radical, I guess...but I feel 2005 will be much different from 2004.

[pocketfox]

Top 10 at the end of the year:
48
6 (God, I hope I'm wrong and he wins a title)
24
9
97
12
42
17
25
20

[Rekart]

48
24
42
17
12
8
6
9
2
97

Going into the Chase.

[Spartan]

Speedweeks will officially start this Sunday, with the Budwesier Shootout. I'm going to go on a limb and say Terry Labonte wins in his final race in the event. I can't see anyone predictable winning it.

[pocketfox]

That would be very cool. Him or Schrader....

[Rekart]

Speedweeks will officially start this Sunday, with the Budwesier Shootout. I'm going to go on a limb and say Terry Labonte wins in his final race in the event. I can't see anyone predictable winning it.

Scratch that: Saturday. (Night)

Damn, Spartan. Get it right.

[Red Right]

I'm a casual NASCAR fan, thought I join in just to make a bit more active.

6
16
97
24
48
8
7
18
2
12

[Spartan]

oh yeah. I was wondering why the dates didn't match up. 12th is saturday.

nice to see you in here, red right. wherever the hell robb and pat are, they best be back before too long.

[pat]

meh, I'm still here. I just have really lost interest in NASCAR lately. I'll still follow it casually and lurk around here every so often, though.

[huh?]

^what he said. All these changes the organization has made to make it mainstream has made me care less about it.

[Spartan]

yeah, I feel the same, but for the past few seasons since the new tv deal (as in the mainstream marketing), I don't start to decline interest until past memorial day. that's when I will skip some races and just follow it less.

but for whatever reason, the first few months of nascar always have me like it was back when. My hope is that all this 'progression' backfires horribly and we go back to the Southern 500, rockingham, the real points system, and less emphasis on the sponsorship dollar.

of course, that will inevitably take years.

[Rekart]

I, on the other hand, do care about what's going on. I hated the new points system in principle, but loved it when they used it. As for making it mainstream, all they do is advertise for it. I don't see a problem with that.

I'm sad to see Rockingham go, but am happy that at least one of their races (or maybe darlington's other one) went to Pheonix last year. Pheonix is an older (relatively, of course) track that deserves it, and I think people miss that. Texas is newer, but has turned into a great track. I don't personally see them getting rid of Darlington, but if they do, the teams need to complain like hell.

But, when it comes down to it, the racing is still the racing, and they are trying hard to get it back to the way it used to be, when it was more the driver and less the car. Spoiler reduction and softer tires should help.

[pocketfox]

Well, I'm glad the sport expanding, I just wish it would bring in more NHC-member types :)

[Red Right]

Well, I'm glad the sport expanding, I just wish it would bring in more NHC-member types :)
Well as long as the Cubs and Indians continue to dissapoint me, and these NASCAR events are in HD. I should stay interested.

[Rekart]

Pfft, HD. Who needs it?

[Red Right]

Pfft, HD. Who needs it?
You gotta to see it to understand.

[Rekart]

Probably. Only thing I've ever seen in HD is Conan, and I don't think he gets much better in HD.

[Spartan]

just give a 19 inch tv and am/fm radio, and I can watch any sport just fine.

[Rekart]

I'm a casual NASCAR fan, thought I join in just to make a bit more active.

6
16
97
24
48
8
7
18
2
12

Nobody's called him on it yet, so I had to...

[Red Right]

Nobody's called him on it yet, so I had to...
6
16
97
24
48
8
29 :uhh:
18
2
12
Excuse my NASCAR n00b-ish.

[Spartan]

As much as I'd like to see robby do well since he's not a fan-favorite and that he's running a menard package, he's going to inevitably struggle big time this year. but I feel the 7 will be a top-notch program in a few years.

[Rekart]

Haha, yeah. You fucking hate Robby. I like Robby, and in a few years, the 7 team will be gone, not top-notch. He can't run for anyone else, so he'll run for himself and fuck it up.

But, I'm a fan of the Menard package and Robby, as mentioned. If the team does become top-notch, how about being teammates with Paul (not Spartan Paul, Paul Menard.)

[Spartan]

we'll see. I think the 7 team can be something in years to come. And of course teammate candidate #1 (the only one) would be Menard. Which is too bad, because it's going to be pretty cool to see him full-time this year in Busch with the same DEI ride.

But as soon as he leaves DEI equipment, something tells me the only thing he brings to the table is money, a name, and a sponsor...well...those are all the exact same thing, aren't they? menard.

[Rekart]

And a, uhh, bad engine package of the same name.

No disrespecting Paul here. I was a Menard fan before DEI. I was a Menard fan as soon as he raced his first Busch/ARCA race with Petree. So, I don't want to hear it.

[robb]

yeah, i'm here.

[pocketfox]

Nobody's called him on it yet, so I had to...I'd say the thing to call him out for would be Biffle at 2nd. He'll do well this year, and could make the chase, but 2nd is a little much. Also, the top 3 will all be Roush?

[Rekart]

So, the Auburn car started on fire in the ARCA race today... Some foreshadowing to their upcoming football season, Spartan?

Great race. They haven't officially said if all of the guys in the last crash were ok, and they haven't replayed it all, so I hope they're all ok. One HELL of a crash though, along with the fence-killing one.

40 minutes until the Shootout, bitches!

[pocketfox]

My prediction is Gordon, followed, by Martin, Earnhardt, Jr.

[Rekart]

:-)...

Boring as hell.

[Spartan]

felony motorsports wins again...

my god, could there be a more boring driver.

[Rekart]

Jarrett on pole. Good luck to him. Also nice to see Kyle running a somewhat competitive speed again.

[Spartan]

$$$=engines=performance. and that's the bottom line.

most boring front row in some time...meh.

[Spartan]

PCC will have a different pts. system this year. last year, the number of points you got were the exact reflection of the points the answers you correctly answered were valued.

This year, in an effort to reduce margins, your points are represented by what 'place' you came in. example, 5 people. first is 5 pts, second is 4 pts, and so forth.

With that said, I will have this week's PCC lined up sometime this week if anybody at all is still interested.

[pocketfox]

I'm doing pCC, definitely. Oh, and yeah good to see Kyle doing well. I used to hate him, but then I found out that Andretti was actually glad to get out of PE, and Kyle basically knew things sucked for him there, and let him go. So great if he's improving. Also, awesome times for Andretti and Skinner. Good to see success for the underdogs, and I'm hoping it'll carry over to the 150s, and the 500.

[Spartan]

Good for Skinner, especially. In the part-time R&D BDR 23 car and still made a lot out of it. we'll see what he can do with it.

[Rekart]

Bring on PCC, bitches. And now, for Fox's sake, pics of the ARCA crash:

Second Big One

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212flip.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212backstretch.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212fire.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212shaver.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212slide.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212bam.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212mess.jpg

Earlier Wreck:

http://www.hostmybb.com/phpbb/images/avatars/zabmotorsports/1310942241420fd8608add2.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212air.jpg

First Big One:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212slam.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212turns.jpg

Pit Road:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212hit.jpg

http://www.news-journalonline.com/speed/speedweeks/arca/2005/0212williams.jpg

[Spartan]

most unprofessional race ever. seriously, that race almost made me sick.

[pocketfox]

Man, I knew it was bad after what you told me last night, but I still wasn't prepared for that.

[gravymaster]

Were those pit guys getting smashed by that car? How did that happen?

[Rekart]

Not sure. Driver put on the brakes and they locked up and he slid right through his pits. It could have been his fault or it could have been the crew's fault, or most likely both. The brakes probably weren't set up all that good for a plate race and he should have braked sooner anyways. None of the guys were hurt (they're all photographers.) The fat guy on the ground continued working the race.

[Spartan]

gravy, it's because Feese (#94 in the smashmouth derby arca race sat. night) is like younger than me practically and he's in seat time way too early at a place like Daytona and he forgot how crucial the brakes are when you go from 180-45 MPH during pits.

he injured one (broken leg), but I honestly thought there'd be someone dead. most goddamn unprofessional race ever.

in the end, I think 13 drivers (out of probably 45 who started) were treated in the hospital. crazy ass shit. and this is why I don't watch ARCA anymore. it's just used now as a very young developmental crutch for the rich nascar owners like Hendrick, Ganassi, and so forth. it should be about the guys who need the money and racing is looking to give them one last shot.

[Spartan]

Waltrip just won the first of the twin races today, slightly over junior. skinner third (wow), and so forth.

kenny wallace inched out kerry earnhardt on the final 100 yards to get into the race. mike wallace probably in as well.

Second race: 20 won, with Truex and Lepage getting in, rounding out the 43. robby missed so close, like kerry.

but the story was 2nd place harvick wrecking 1st place johnson on lap 40, completely destroying those cars, and the cars of the 10, 01, 2, 6, 07.

[Rekart]

Mike and Kenny, bitches. Also, nice to have Lepage in, he's always good in the draft. Too bad he has basically no pit crew with that team.

[Spartan]

Damn robby. this is going to be a real tough start for his team.

so, the lineup is out and here is PCC, Daytona.

1. Will a driver in the top 5 run the busch race the day before? 1 pt.
2. Will any of the 8 non-top 35 teams finish in the top 7? (36, 14, 23, 11, 1, 00, 37, 4) 2 pts.
3. Will a DEI car (1, 8, 15) win? 3 pts.
4. Who finishes higher: 37 (Lepage) or 00 (kenny wallace)? 4 pts.
5. Will the race finish G/W/C? 5 pts.
6. Will there be any green flag pit stops? 6 pts.
7. Will a driver lead more than 90 laps? 7 pts.
8. What car make will win? 8 pts.
9. Put MB2 team in order of finish: 10, 01, 36. 10 pts.
10. How many cautions? (2 off) 10 pts.
11. How many cars involved in the inevitable 'big one?' (3 off) 11 pts.
12. How many leaders? (2 off) 12 pts.
13. Name a driver that finishes in the 20-29 range. 13 pts.
14. Rank in order of finish: 49 43 17 00. 14 pts.
15. Top 5. (5 pts. each)

[Rekart]

EDIT: NASCAR has warned to bench Harvick AND Jimmie. What the hell is that? Jimmie didn't do anything. Harvick hit him at the start and then hit him in the middle of the turn. Fuck NASCAR and their terrible decision making (again.) And, of course, I don't see why the hell they're threatening to make them sit out the 500 if they don't stop, because the hell else can they do to each other? There's no more practice. I guess jeffy will just have to handle this problem in the 500 by flipping Harvick's ass down the backstretch.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. 00
5. No
6. Yes
7. No
8. Chevy
9. 01, 36, 10
10. 7
11. 8
12. 12
13. Mike Wallace
14. 17, 00, 49, 43
15. Mikey, Jr., Rusty, Jeffy, Jimmie

[Necromancer]

Took this picture taking off from Daytona International today just after the races. There were a ton of Hendrick/DEI/Bill Davis business aircraft out there.

http://www.nohomers.net/staff/necromancer/daytona.jpg

[Spartan]

Wow, that is one hell of a pic of Daytona. You were at the 150's today?

[Rekart]

What a great picture. That's about the only way you could get a picture of the whole track.

[Necromancer]

I was in Daytona, but I didn't go to the races. Scalpers wanted too much for the tickets.

One of DEI's Brasilias.
http://www.nohomers.net/staff/necromancer/n138de-2.jpg

Hendrick Motorsports Saab 2000
http://www.nohomers.net/staff/necromancer/hendrick511rh-2.jpg

Bill Davis Beech 1900C
http://www.nohomers.net/staff/necromancer/davis23bd.jpg

[pocketfox]

1. Yes
2. Yes (Go 23 and 14!)
3. No
4. 00
5. No
6. Yes
7. No
8. Ford
9. 01, 36, 10
10. 5
11. 19
12. 13
13. Bobby hamilton, Jr.
14. 17, 49, 00, 43
15. 6, 24, 48, 97, 23

[Spartan]

1. Yes.
2. No.
3. Yes.
4. 00
5. No.
6. Yes.
7. Yes.
8. Chevrolet.
9. 10 01 36
10. 6
11. 10
12. 13
13. 11
14. 17 00 43 49
15. 15 31 20 22 48

[Rekart]

More great pics, Necro.

[HomertheGreat]

I'm surprised no one is talking about the absolutely fucked up way NASCAR determined the lineup for sunday's race. I don't get it.

But anyway I guess I'll watch a little bit of Daytona. Nascar, probably beginning last year, really started to turn me off with the rule changes, manipulative finishes, and sponsor cock sucking. I think I'll just stick with IRL.

[Rekart]

I'll address each of those:

Rule changes: Not bad at all, really. I still don't agree with the Chase in principle, but as a fan, I love it. As for qualifying, it's fair. The teams that spend the most money and come to win will all make the race now. There are still eight open spots, and if you're not one of the fastest eight of the rest, you really don't deserve to be in the race anyways. Yeah, Robby didn't make it, but he should have been better prepared.

Manipulative Finishes: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about here. If you mean G/W/C, I see no problem there. And, being at the Gateway truck race last season, again, as a fan, I fucking love it. And, they only allow one (now,) so it doesn't set up more than one crash in overtime, so it's not really unsafe. Also, I don't see how that would be manipulative at all.

Sponsor Cocks: Anything new here? And, added to that, I don't see how this is any worse then it has been since I started watching in 1997, it's about the same. NASCAR, the actual body itself, hasn't changed much. If you sponsor them, then they try to get you as much exposure as possible, but they don't go overboard. The drivers do the same, and some are worse than others, but it doesn't really affect my feeling sor thoughts towards them or the sport in any way.

I guess now it's time for Spartan to cock suck you, though, and agree on every point.

[Spartan]

haha, Jimmy had to leave Victory Lane tonight in the truck race and make way for the real winner...

I think Bobby Hamiltion should've just celebrated in their pit stall and just told jimmy to have their party.

[gravymaster]

Well.....I am watching the Daytona on Sunday. I have nothing else to do, so I figured I would see what the big deal is (again).

[HomertheGreat]

I'll address each of those:

Rule changes: Not bad at all, really. I still don't agree with the Chase in principle, but as a fan, I love it. As for qualifying, it's fair. The teams that spend the most money and come to win will all make the race now. There are still eight open spots, and if you're not one of the fastest eight of the rest, you really don't deserve to be in the race anyways. Yeah, Robby didn't make it, but he should have been better prepared.

Manipulative Finishes: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about here. If you mean G/W/C, I see no problem there. And, being at the Gateway truck race last season, again, as a fan, I fucking love it. And, they only allow one (now,) so it doesn't set up more than one crash in overtime, so it's not really unsafe. Also, I don't see how that would be manipulative at all.

Sponsor Cocks: Anything new here? And, added to that, I don't see how this is any worse then it has been since I started watching in 1997, it's about the same. NASCAR, the actual body itself, hasn't changed much. If you sponsor them, then they try to get you as much exposure as possible, but they don't go overboard. The drivers do the same, and some are worse than others, but it doesn't really affect my feeling sor thoughts towards them or the sport in any way.

I guess now it's time for Spartan to cock suck you, though, and agree on every point.

ok I'll try to clarify myself a little bit

rule changes- I assume you mean "The Chase" as in the current points system they have. Personally I don't like it. It seemed like a lame attempt to just please the fans for them to correct their potentially boring late season. Which leads me to my next point.

manipulative finishes- I guess no one else has noticed this and maybe it's me overreacting a bit, but it's something you have to look at. Almost everytime it seems like someone is dominating, especially late in the race, they pull out the "debris caution" or some sort of caution to bring all the cars back together. Now I don't want to start conspiracy theories or anything, but it happens almost every damn race.

sponsor cock sucking: maybe you're right, but I seem to have noticed it a lot more as of late.

my whole point basically is that Nascar is taking away from their pure racing product just to please the fans (which seems to have backfired a bit) and the sponsors.

[pocketfox]

I don't like the rule changes, if only for the reason that John Andretti's 11th place finish should designate a 22nd starting spot, and he's stuck with the 2nd last position.

[huh?]

Rule changes: Not bad at all, really. I still don't agree with the Chase in principle, but as a fan, I love it. As for qualifying, it's fair. The teams that spend the most money and come to win will all make the race now. There are still eight open spots, and if you're not one of the fastest eight of the rest, you really don't deserve to be in the race anyways. Yeah, Robby didn't make it, but he should have been better prepared.
Wait, you think Ferrari is a bunch of assholes, yet you're for this? DOES NOT COMPUTE
Judging by the times of some, I really hate this system already. I mean Boris Said and John Andretti should be starting in the middle of the pack, but thanks to new rules, they're forced into the back.

My PCC picks to come later today.

[Rekart]

Wait, you think Ferrari is a bunch of assholes, yet you're for this? DOES NOT COMPUTE
Judging by the times of some, I really hate this system already. I mean Boris Said and John Andretti should be starting in the middle of the pack, but thanks to new rules, they're forced into the back.


1) This has nothing to do with Ferrari or F1 in any way. The teams that spend the most miney in NASCAR need to make it, but were not guaranteed. Everyone in F1 is guaranteed in. The 32 car may not be doing so good right now, but they deserve to be in it more than the 55. And, NASCAR knows that the teams depend on sponsorship, so the full-time, sponsored teams have to make the race for the sport to continue going.

2) That is the only problem with the new rules, but I think that will be different at every race but the 500, where they don't have qualifying races. Either way, they made the race, and that's all that really matters at a plate track. Doesn't matter where you start.

EDIT: To HtG's last point, that is in some ways true. They made the G/W/C to make fans happy, and I think it has, I like it, and they changed the points system, which ended up being a hell of a lot more fun to watch. If you want to call that making it less pure racing, go ahead. But, they are trying to make the on-track racing more pure by making aerodynamics less important, making the tires softer, and changing spoiler heights and shit. This also seems like it's working. All the other changes are safety related, and there's nothing wrong with any of those.

[Spartan]

Tony's Busch 33 car taken to nascar's R&D center immediately after today's race to see if something was making it go faster...results on monday.

of course, you'd think his run in the grass would knock the toe out, but it only made it stronger. only car going faster than the 33 late in the race was menard.

[robb]

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. 00
5. no
6. yes
7. no
8. chevy
9. 01.36.10
10. 8
11. 8
12. 10
13. k. schrader
14. 17.49.00.43
15. 8.20.1.88.48

[Rekart]

Tony's Busch 33 car taken to nascar's R&D center immediately after today's race to see if something was making it go faster...results on monday.

of course, you'd think his run in the grass would knock the toe out, but it only made it stronger. only car going faster than the 33 late in the race was menard.

1) Doubt it. I mean, I don't like Tony or his owner, but they wouldn't do that.

2) Good to har Darrell loving Paul today, but why the hell would no one go with him? DEI power and a great car, and he's got no more rookie stripes. I would have been stuck to his ass all day.

[Spartan]

really. all freakin' race, except for the first run where he made his way to the front, no one worked with him. he said the car was so fast, he HAD to jump to the outside every time to avoid running over the car in front of him in the corner (take notes, harvick) and no one was smart enough to realize that if they followed him, menard would take you to the top.

just pissed me off.

[huh?]

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. 00
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. 10, 36, 01
10. 5
11. 12
12. 8
13. Kyle Petty
14. 17 49 00 43.
15. 48 24 97 2 8

[gravymaster]

Remember when the Beach Boys could sing?

[gravymaster]

I'm actually really digging this race. Now you NASCAR nerds can tell me why it was boring or why it can't compete with last year's....

GO Jr!!! That was an awesome pass.

[pat]

this is gonna be one awesome finish.

just now realized I forgot to enter the pcc this week. :-/

[gravymaster]

That was a fucking awesome pass. Stewart is blowing it.

Edit: Fuck.

[pat]

spartan unstoked

[gravymaster]

Gravy unstoked. Spartan, didn't your boy get bounced early?

[Spartan]

yeah. he went down a lap during the green flag run with mears, vickers, and sadler because of speeding on pit road during the green flag-pit stops, and one by one during the next cautions, the guys were getting the laps back.

sadler got his, then vickers, then mears...but kenny's engine failed and was done for the day. sad, too...he would've gotten the free pass before the big one and the "little" big one with andretti and them.

could've had a top 20. :-\ spartan unstoked.

[Spartan]

PCC scores for Daytona. New scoring format and my own questions, btw.

minardi: 39 pts.
Pocketfox: 37 pts.
Spartan: 62 pts.
robb: 48 pts.
huh?: 44 pts.

Rankings after 1 of 36 rounds, Daytona:

Spartan: 5 (1)
robb: 4
huh?: 3
minardi: 2
Pocketfox: 1

[robb]

yay me..also, matt continues to suck

[Spartan]

it was a weird round, to say the least. minardi and the fox consistently had a lot of correct answers, just not the double-digit ones. huh? had 4 out of the 5 top 5 finishers (impressive, to say the least) and I only had 1, but still had 62 pts.

[huh?]

The funny thing was I was rushing through the picks about an hour before the green flag. So much so, that I ended up putting "yes" for which make will win, costing me some easy points. Thrilled at how well I did picking the top 5 though.
And looking at necro's pics on the previous page, I'm sort of surprised that there are so many teams using prop planes instead of jets.

[Spartan]

PCC for California, Round 2. rip rockingham.

1. Will a Gibbs team finish in the top 6? 1 pt.
2. Will the race be won on fuel strategy? 2 pt.
3. Will the polesitter finish top 5? 3 pt.
4. Will the race finish G/W/C? 4 pt.
5. Will any non-top 35 team (based on last year's owner pts) finish top 20? 5 pt.
6. Better avg. finish: Roush/Hendrick. 6 pt.
7. Will any team win 2 out of 3 races at Fontana this weekend? 7 pt.
8. What car make will win? 8 pt.
9. Rank in order of finish: 10 11 12 (10 pt.)
10. How many cautions caused strictly by debris? 10 pt.
11. How many lead changes (2 off)? 11 pt. (15 for exact)
12. Top finishing sophomore? (9, 10, 22, 25, 99) 12 pt.
13. Name a 40-43 finisher. 13 pt.
14. Rank in order of finish: 88 38 2 6 (14 pt.)
15. Top 5. 5 each.

[pat]

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes
6. Hendrick
7. Yes
8. Chevy
9. 12 11 10
10. 3
11. 18
12. 25-Vickers
13. 4-M. Wallace
14. 6 88 2 38
15. 24 20 17 97 12

hoping my forgetting all about the pcc before daytona won't come back to bite me by the end of the season.

[Rekart]

1. Yes
2. No
3. TBA
4. No
5. Yes
6. Hendrick
7. No
8. Chevy
9. 12, 11, 10
10. 2
11. 10
12. 99
13. TBA
14. 2, 6, 38, 88
15. Rusty, Kahne, Edwards, Mears, Jimmie

[huh?]

Pat's custom text= :thumbsup
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Roush
7. No
8. Dodge
9. 12 10 11
10. 2
11. 16
12. 9
13. Randy LaJoie
14. 2 38 6 88
15. 12 48 20 97 42

[Spartan]

1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. Yes.
6. Roush
7. No.
8. Dodge
9. 10 12 11
10. 3
11. 13
12. 9
13. 43 (will edit after qualifying)
14. 2 38 88 6
15. 2 9 01 48 17

[pocketfox]

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. no
5. yes (go 14!)
6. Roush
7. No
8. Dodge
9. 12, 11, 10
10. 2
11. 17
12. 9
13. 27- Shelmerdine
14. 6, 38, 2, 88
15. 9, 48, 17, 20, 99

[robb]

1. yes
2. yes
3. no
4. no
5. yes
6. hendrick
7. yes
8. chevy
9. 12.10.11
10. 2
11. 20
12. 9
13. 34
14. 88.38.2.6
15. 20.29.97.24.38

[Spartan]

Wow, great win for Biffle today...moved him up to 5th in points. and Schrader rebounded in a huge way from his engine-failing 39th finish at Daytona last week...14th today...

he was passing cars all day with a hood flapping in the breeze. damn.

[Rekart]

2005 Driver List for me:

1) Rusty Wallace
2) Carl Edwards
3) Travis Kvapil
4) Mark Martin
5) Mike Wallace
6) Ken Schrader
7) Casey Mears
8) Jamie McMurray
9) Robby Gordon
10) Jeff Gordon
11) Jimmie Johnson
12) Joe Nemechek
13) John Andretti
14) Dave Blaney
15) Matt Kenseth
16) Greg Biffle
17) Elliott Sadler
18) Scott Wimmer
19) Mike Bliss
20) Jeff Burton
21) Bobby Labonte
22) Kyle Busch
23) Jeremy Mayfield
24) Ricky Rudd
25) Dale Jarrett
26) Jeff Green
27) Ryan Newman
28) Michael Waltrip
29) Kasey Kahne
30) Jason Leffler
31) Kyle Petty
32) Kevin Harvick
33) Brian Vickers
34) Sterling Marlin
35) Scott Riggs
36) Tony Stewart
37) Dale Earnhardt Jr.
38) Bobby Hamilton Jr.
39) Kurt Busch

[pocketfox]

1. John Andretti
2. Kevin Harvick
3. Mark Martin
4. kasey Kahne
5. Sterling marlin
6. Joe Nemechek
7. Carl Edwards
8. Brian Vickers
9. Jeff Burton
10. Jamie McMurray
11. Ken Schrader
12. Matt Kenseth
13. Casey Mears
14. Rusty Wallace
15. Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
16. Mike Bliss
17. Mike Wallace
18. Greg Biffle
19. Dave Blaney
20. Jeremy Mayfield
21. Bobby labtonte
22. Jason Leffler
23. Dale Jarrett
24. Ryan Newman
25. Elliott Sadler
26. Robby Gordon
27. Ricky Rudd
28. Scott Riggs
29. Jeff Gordon
30. Michael Waltrip
31. Travis kvapil
32. Scott Wimmer
33. Kyle Busch
34. Jeff Green
35. Kyle petty
36. Jimmie Johnson
37. Bobby Hamilton, Jr
38. Kurt busch
39. Tony Stewart

[Spartan]

Results for California.

Pat: 18 pts. (2 standings pts.)
minardi: 38 pts. (3 standings pts.)
huh?: 57 pts. (6 standings pts.)
spartan: 16 pts. (1 standings pt.)
pocketfox: 44 pts. (4 standings pts.)
robb: 52 pts. (5 standings pts.)

Overall standings:

1. huh?: 9 (1 win) +2 pos.
1. robb: 9 +1 pos.
3. spartan: 6 (1 win) -2 pos.
4. minardi: 5
4. pocketfox: 5
6. pat: 2

[Rekart]

I'm pretty happy with that. It's early in the season, and I think I can stay consistent enough to be in this thing. We going to have a Chase at the end of the year?

[Spartan]

Probably not. I think the points system I have in place won't cause huge gaps and unfair disadvantages for missing a race.

I hate off-weeks this early in the year. but it would be ten times worse if there was no busch road race this week...really looking forward to that.

[Rekart]

Added to F1 and IRL races, and a GrandAm race if I remember correctly.

[Rekart]

Well, Spartan will be happy to know, since he's questioned a few times lately, that my live race year may be more then just Gateway: There's a chance of a Michigan race. Yes, a Michigan race. Damn, that would be great.

[Spartan]

I've already got my Dega tickets and already know everything this time around...hick city, the free parking/camping next to the dirt track and the railroads, is so awesome. just hope it doesn't rain on me while I'm sleeping in the back of the truck.

[pat]

almost wound up going to michigan a few years back, but couldn't get any tickets. I'd love to attend a race one day, so let me just say that I hate you both.

[Rekart]

I've never been to a Cup race, but have been to:

3 Gateway Busch races (I think. 1999, 2003, 2004)
3 Gateway Truck Races (I think. 2002, 2003, 2004)
1 Gateway CART race (1997. First ever race at Gateway)
1 Gateway IRL race (2003)
1 Texas Motor Speedway Cup/Busch qualifying day (2000)
1 Indianapolis F1 race (2003)
1 Indy 500 practice day (2002)
1 dirt car race at I-55 (2002)

[pocketfox]

I have never been to a NASCAR race because.....I suck.

[Spartan]

1 Cup, 1 Busch race at Talladega (quals for cup)
1 Cup race at Indy (quals)
4 Busch races at Memphis
5 Truck races at Memphis

Memphis Motorsports Park installed lights this winter, for the night truck race this July. Added a grandstand, too. Probably just for the Oct. Busch race.

[huh?]

Yeah, I have yet to be to a racing event either. I had the chance a couple years back when there was a racetrack 20 minutes away from me in Flemington (and they actually managed to host a Craftsman Truck race for several years), but that place has shut down and is gathering dust. Am thinking about trying to go to Pocono sometime, though.

[pat]

wasn't flemington the square-shaped track? I think I remember it being oddly shaped for a race track.

[huh?]

wasn't flemington the square-shaped track? I think I remember it being oddly shaped for a race track.
Thank you, outdated Terraserver map image from 1995:
http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=10&x=2562&y=22430&z=18&w=1
Incidentally, the owners of the property have been trying to make that property into a Wal-Mart/outlet mall/something for several years now. And I still think they haven't come close to starting construction.

[Spartan]

I thought it was a real short oval with minimal banking?

I remember a lot of the old, defunct CTS tracks, and a lot of them were good. but market demand increases, and companion dates are needed.

edit: guess not, but I do remember it now....looked like a big D. but it was real short. and on the subject of making the property a shopping mall, I just realized that's what old riverside (and plenty more tracks all over) have become. pitiful.

[Rekart]

Goddammit, not another Riverside rant...

[Spartan]

PCC: Round 3. Las Vegas.

1. Will a Roush car win? 1 pt.
2. Will there be a green flag run of more than 75 laps? 2 pt.
3. Will DEI blow another engine? 3 pt.
4. G/W/C (y/n)? 4 pt.
5. Will a previous winner win at LV? 5 pt.
6. Under/over on cautions: 6. 6 pt.
7. Will the pole sitter lead more than 20 laps? 7 pt.
8. Will the 41 finish top 15? 8 pt.
9. What car make wins? 9 pt.
10. Rank in order of finish: 17 16 97. 10 pt.
11. How many lead changes (4 off)? 11 pt; 3 for exact.
12. How many cars on the lead lap (3 off)? 12 pt; 3 for exact.
13. Where will Jeremy Mayfield finish (4 off)? 13 pt.; 4 for exact.
14. Rank: 07 7 31 32. 14 pt.
15. Top 5. 5 pt. each.

[robb]

1 yes
2 no
3 no
4 no
5 yes
6 12
7 yes
8 no
9 chevy
10 97,16,17
11 12
12 13
13 20
14 31,07,7,32
15 97,29,48,38,17

[pocketfox]

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. Yes
6. Over
7. Yes
8. No
9. Ford
10. 17, 16, 97, 10
11. 18
12. 18
13. 16th
14. 31, 07, 7, 32
15. 6, 17, 24, 16, 31

[pat]

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. Yes
6. Over
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. Ford
10. 16 17 97
11. 19
12. 17
13. 18th
14. 31 7 32 07
15. 16 6 48 88 20

[Spartan]

To clear up any confusion, if any, on number 5...that refers to a past winner at the 7 races at Las Vegas. And robb, I take your #6 to be "over."

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. No.
4. No.
5. Yes.
6. Over.
7. No.
8. Yes.
9. Ford.
10. 17 16 97
11. 18 changes.
12. 21 cars.
13. 12th
14. 31 07 32 7
15. 17 9 6 48 40

[robb]

yeah, thanks for pointing that out

[Rekart]

1. No
2. Yes
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. Over
7. Yes
8. Hell yeah, bitch
9. Dodge
10. 16, 17, 97
11. 15
12. 28
13. 15
14. 31, 7, 07, 32
15. Rusty, Jimmie, Newman, Kenseth, Biffle

[Spartan]

Harvick going to the back for not having in a full tank of gas (4 gallons short). 25 pt. fine to soon come, though I think that kind of chickenshit should result in a DNQ.

And I didn't think NASCAR coverage could get more unprofessional, but this morning alone I've seen two embarassing mistakes. And the worst thing is that they were isolated. Someone directed me to Nascar.com where they had a photo gallery of yesterday's qualifying run. Fine enough, but they showed a picture of the 31 crew working in the garage, and the caption read "Robby Gordon's team...". :-\

This is one of the reasons I refuse to visit NASCAR.com. crap like that. Then on FSN's "Around the Track," they talked about Robby Gordon's altercation with Carl Edward's crew chief and said he drove the RCR Cingular 31 car in the Cup series.

What the hell is wrong with nascar's press. NOL and FSN before never garnered my respect, as they are unprofessional, but this takes the cake. It seems that the press itself is what I hate most about nascar: that they just started watching a few years ago, and half-assedly while doing it.

[pat]

I seriously miss the days of ESPN's NASCAR coverage (TNN too, to a lesser extent). those were the days when my interest in the sport peaked, it's just been decreasing ever since. but even back then, NOL was more professional (though I've always used jayski more regularly for my news). seems like everything became more unprofessional after that tv deal was put in place.

[Spartan]

I swear if I ever hear Larry McReynolds talk about "This place is plenty wide for 6 cars, but they can't run but 3 wide at most because the cars get loose," or "The crew chief is like the football team's head coach and the spotter is the offensive and defensive coordinator all-in-one" again I'm going to choke somebody.

I don't think I've ever seen a sports broadcast be more geared to casual newcomer fans. And this has been going on for 5 years now.

Thank god for putting the TV on mute and turning the radio to MRN.

[pat]

plus I absolutely cannot stand his voice. his whiny, high pitched voice should not be heard by anyone, period.

[Rekart]

Oh, and that HAIR.

Stop bitching.

[pat]

so sorry, your royal highness.

[Rekart]

If you don't like the commentators, don't watch. There are a lot better things to complain about then McReynolds' voice. Darrell is worse then all the rest added together, anyways.

So how about some coopetition so we can boogity, boogity, boogity?

[pat]

I don't watch, actually. and on the rare occasion I do, I throw it on mute just like spartan.

[huh?]

1. No
2. Yes
3. no
4. no
5. no
6. over
7. yes
8. no
9. Dodge
10. 17 97 16
11. 17
12. 20
13. 16th
14. 07 31 7 32
15. 12 17 6 29 48

[Spartan]

Results for PCC, Round 3. Las Vegas.

robb: 74pts. (6)
huh?: 65 pts. (5)
pat: 61pts. (4)
pocketfox: 53pts. (3)
spartan: 39pts. (2)
minardi: 38 pts. (1)

Cumulative results after 3 rounds:

robb: 15 pts. (1 win) +1 pos.
huh?: 14 pts. (1 win) -1 pos.
spartan: 8 pts. (1 win)
pocketfox: 8 pts. +1 pos
minardi: 6 pts. -1 pos.
pat: 6 pts.

Congrats to robb...got the mini-pick-'em correct (#10) and he got jeremy's finish completely correct. nice win.

The 48 and the 5 were given 25 drivers/owner point penalties for post-race inspection violations today. crew chief for both are suspended for 2 races. 29, too, but that's been known.

[Rekart]

Suspension for Knaus and Gustafson takes it too far. Cars have been too low before, and it wasn't that way before the race, so evidence points to accidental. Same for Gustafson. I'm sorry, you can't rebuild the back of the car during the race and make it too high. Berrier does deserve it though, and he may not have gotten enough.

[Spartan]

PCC, atlanta.

1. Will Hendrick...Motorsports win again? 1 pt.
2. Over/under of avg. race speed: 140 mph. 2 pt.
3. G/W/C? 3 pt.
4. Will any race (busch, cup) be delayed and/or shortened? 4 pt.
5. Will a sophomore (9 10 25 99 22) finish top 8? 5 pt.
6. Will there be more than 15 cars on the lead lap at finish? 6 pt.
7. What car make wins? 7 pt.
8. Will any penalized team (29 5 48) lead more than 20 laps? 8 pt.
9. Rank: 20 21 22. 10 pt.
10. How many cautions? (2 off for 10 pt. 3 pt. for exact)
11. How many leaders? (3 off for 11 pt. 3 pt. for exact)
12. Name a 14-19 finisher. 12 pt.
13. Average finish of MB2? (4 off for 13 pt. 4 for exact)
14. Rank. 2 4 5 6. 14 pt.
15. Top 5. 5 pt. each.

[Rekart]

1. No
2. Under
3. No
4. No
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Dodge
8. Yes
9. 20, 22, 21
10. 8
11. 12
12. Leffler
13. 15th
14. 6, 2, 4, 5
15. Mark, Jeffy, Jimmie, Ryan, Rusty

[pocketfox]

1. Yes
2. Over
3. No
4. No
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Chevy
8. yes
9. 20, 22, 21
10. 8
11. 15
12. Nemechek
13. 12th
14. 6, 5, 2, 4
15. 24, 20, 48, 6, 25

[Spartan]

1. No.
2. Under.
3. No.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
6. Yes.
7. Chevrolet.
8. Yes.
9. 20 21 22
10. 7
11. 11
12. 31
13. 17th
14. 2 6 4 5
15. 29 48 99 20 9

[robb]

1. no
2. under
3. no
4. no
5. yes
6. no
7. chevy
8. yes
9. 20,22,21
10. 10
11. 8
12. Jarrett
13. 21
14. 6,5,2,4
15. 99,20,48,29,18

[huh?]

1. no
2. under
3. no
4. no
5. yes
6. yes
7. chevy
8. no
9. 20 22 21.
10. 9
11. 12
12. Jeremy Mayfield
13. 21st
14. 5 2 6 4
15. 5 07 12 20 48

[pat]

1. Yes
2. Over
3. No
4. No
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Chevy
8. No
9. 20 22 21
10. 8
11. 11
12. 9
13. 14th
14. 6 2 5 4
15. 24 18 16 97 20

I realize it's started, but I'm honest in saying I haven't watched a second of it yet, so count it if you want or not. it's up to you whether you do or not, but I'm being honest.

[Spartan]

robb - 89 (6)
pocketfox - 75 (5)
=minardi - 60 (4)
=spartan - 60 (4)
huh? - 57 (2)
pat - 48 (1)

Cumulative results after 4 races:

robb: 21 pts. (2 wins)
huh?: 16 pts. (1 win)
pocketfox: 13 pts. +1
spartan: 12 pts. (1 win) -1
minardi: 10 pts.
pat: 7 pts.

Congrats to robb on his second win. Impressive on #14, both robb and the fox got it. both robb and huh? got MB2's avg. finish (22nd) right. cautions was 8, and everybody got it right. everybody but huh? and me got it exactly right. everybody got the mini-rank-'em (#9) right except for me. poor wood bros.

2 weeks until bristol.

[pocketfox]

What a race that was. Entertaining from start to end, and an ending oly surpassed in modern times by Harvick edging out Gordon 4 years, and Craven's narrow victory over Busch. Carl is a serious title threat in both leagues, and I couldn't be happier (well, unless Andretti starts doing better....).

[Rekart]

Edwards is my favorite young guy. I'm not sure what I had in my official list a little earlier, but I know he was up there.

EDIT: Heh, yeah, had him second total, behind Rusty. I'd say that's up there.

[Rekart]

Sad to say for fox, but Andretti's team has withdrawn from the Bristol race and are cutting back to a limited schedule.

[Spartan]

Yeah, I read that. Something about cutting all the way back to a 14-race schedule. Shame too...if he didn't miss Atlanta, he could very well be in the top 35 this year and have the easy road to getting into the races. Seems like John hasn't gotten many breaks over the last half decade.

But that team is still trying to get its truck and busch programs on their feet, too...so I think they should have started slower. and when the time comes for a full-time team, I'm sure laying off for the first few years will help.

[Rekart]

Their Busch team is well established, but their truck team has always sucked.

[Spartan]

PCC, Bristol

1. Will Jr. come close to defending his Bristol victory (top 10)?
2. G/W/C?
3. Over/under on cautions: 11.
4. Who finishes higher: 40 or 20?
5. Will Kurt Busch 4-peat?
6. Which team gets the most cars in the top ten?
7. Will a team in the top 7 in points be involved in a wreck?
8. What car make wins?
9. Top rookie/sophomore (5 77 25 99 22 10 9).
10. Rank: 97 99 9.
11. How many leaders? (2 off, 3 for exact).
12. How many caution laps? (8 off, 5 for exact).
13. How many cars on the lead lap? (3 off, 4 for exact).
14. Rank: 38 8 97 48.
15. Top 5.

[pat]

1. Yes
2. No
3. Over
4. 20
5. No
6. Roush
7. Yes
8. Chevy
9. 99
10. 97 99 9
11. 9
12. 67
13. 15
14. 97 8 38 48 (gah, that one's difficult to predict)
15. 16 24 97 2 20

[Rekart]

1. No
2. Yes
3. Over
4. 20
5. No
6. Roush
7. Yes
8. Dodge
9. 77
10. 97, 99, 9
11. 15
12. 100
13. 15
14. 97, 48, 38, 8
15. 2, 24, 97, 48, 77

[pocketfox]

1. yes
2. no
3. over
4. 40 (I'll be different)
5. No
6. Roush
7. No
8. Ford
9. 99
10. 99, 97, 9
11. 14
12. 94
13. 12
14. 97, 48, 8, 38
15. 6, 99, 24, 97, 48

[Spartan]

1. No.
2. No.
3. Over.
4. 40
5. No.
6. Roush.
7. No.
8. Chevrolet.
9. 9
10. 97 9 99
11. 10
12. 71
13. 23
14. 48 38 97 8
15. 48 38 97 42 9 (I made these top 5 picks last week...and it's weird how this and #14 came out)

[Rekart]

Busch race called. I'll have the computer record it on Monday though, so it's alright.

[robb]

1 no
2 yes
3 over
4 20
5 10
6 roush
7 yes
8 chevy
9 9
10 9,97,99
11 15
12 80
13 20
14 38,48,97,8
15 29,38,20,9,42

[Spartan]

bristol sure knows how to piss me off sometimes. Sure, it's a nice thing to look forward to after 3 straight 1.5 snoozers, but wreckfests are just as bad, in the opposite direction.

And the racing just sucks. Until they get rid of the concrete, it will never have exciting, non-train, non-the-car-pushed-up-the-hill-in-turn-3-now-I-hope-to-God-I-can-fall-back-in-line-without-losing-10-spots racing.

But other than that, congrats to the 29 of Harvick and RCR. A well-deserved win after some rough times.

[Rekart]

More congrats to Petty. 8th place, I love to see him do good.

[Spartan]

Nope.

Any time you have a thousand wrecks at bristol taking out almost 20 cars...and it's a short track where crap cars can do well without aero problems...and when you have Evernham engines...it shouldn't be a surprise to come in 8th.

Petty's just a fucktard for not having a top ten in nearly 3 years.

[huh?]

Nope.

Any time you have a thousand wrecks at bristol taking out almost 20 cars...and it's a short track where crap cars can do well without aero problems...and when you have Evernham engines...it shouldn't be a surprise to come in 8th.

Petty's just a fucktard for not having a top ten in nearly 3 years.
Let's see anybody in cup try to get a top 10 finish in a PE car without an Everham engine. Seriously, despite the circumstances, that has to be a major high spot for the team with their struggles in recent years.
Missed this week's picks, meh, doesn't kill my chances much though.

[Spartan]

I understand where it's a good run, but you have to see that coming into Bristol, the PE cars were extraordinarily high in points (save for atlanta, where both the 43 and 45 totally missed the setup) and had great runs at daytona, california, and las vegas. it costs to go fast, and they paid good money for those evernham engines.

3 tracks where the cream rises to the top, unless you really don't have the car that day.

I've seen Kenny get a top ten at freaking Michigan with busch league Arrington engines and in a year where BAM DNQ at 4 races. BAM was light years behind then than they are now.

petty enterprises (namely kyle) does not deserve half the pity they get. not to mention they have plenty of unused money, two-car team, and nice sponsorship deals.

[Rekart]

The fact is, his car had no scratches, he went a lap down once and got it back, and he finished it off. I don't see Jeff Green in the top 10. Bristol is a driver's track. Jr. showed that, because he's had no car all season, but could pull a top 5 out of his ass here. Same for Mikey, who had a good run going. PE was having a good start of the season, but that can't be expected to last.

The fact that you're discounting a Petty 8th is pathetic. If it had been Schrader, you'd be shitting yourself, and he drives for a team that is spending at least as much per car as PE is.

[Spartan]

No it is not. The fact that petty cars are powered by Evernham now means that's a lot of damn money for just one of the teams, let alone two.

And when he finished 6th last year at Bristol, I didn't shit myself at all. I knew it was a good run, but anyone can at Bristol if you have experience and keep your nose clean and just don't totally bomb the setup.

Period.

[Spartan]

low scoring crash fest pcc from bristol:

pat: 39 (5)
pocketfox: 33 (4)
minardi: 29 (3)
robb: 29 (3)
spartan: 26 (1)

Championship standings after 5 races, Bristol.

robb: 24 pts. (2 wins)
pocketfox: 17 pts. +1
huh?: 16 pts. (1 win) -1
spartan: 13 pts. (1 win)
minardi: 13 pts.
pat: 12 pts. (1 win)

And that's that.

[Spartan]

Bah...Kenny and the 49 were first out in qualifying today on a wet track, brushed the wall in turns 1/2 after coming in super loose. first lap was good enough to put him in the top ten, and after Newman likely gets the pole shortly, probably 7th-8th.

But the question remains whether or not they can repair the right-front. I think they should, it's not THAT big of a repair, and especially with a great car. I just hope (and I don't think it is) it's not an impound race.

[ExtremeCorruption]

What I've seen of this season has been exciting, and I'm rooting for 24,8 and 48.

[Rekart]

DW misses the truck race... So do Brendan and Hattori. Three good trucks who didn't make laps miss the race. So, will DW be back for the second Martinsville race now?

[Spartan]

Yes. Of course, last year's FALL Martinsville race was supposed to be his final, too, but the quals were rained out, thus moving his final race to tomorrow, which now will be postponed to october.

PCC, Martinsville.

1. Will Rusty Wallace win? 1 pt
2. Will 150 laps be run under caution? 2 pt
3. Will Jimmie Johnson leave as the points leader? 3 pt
4. Will Scott Riggs lead at least 30 laps? 4 pt
5. G/W/C? 5 pt
6. What car make leads the most laps? 6 pt
7. What car make wins? 7 pt
8. Who leads lap 250? 8 pt
9. Top 2 freshmen/soph. (5 9 10 11 22 25 77 99) 10 pt (5 for one)
10. Name 5 different leaders. 4 each.
11. How many cars on lead lap? 11 pt (3 off; 4 for exact)
12. How many leaders? 12 pt (2 off; 3 for exact)
13. How many cautions? 13 pt (2 off; 4 for exact)
14. Rank. 6 21 43 88. 14 pt
15. Top 5. 5 each.

[pocketfox]

1. No (Gee, I wonder if Matt disagrees with me ;))
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. No
6. 24
7. Chevy
8. 48
9. 9, 99
10. 24, 48, 10, 18, 99
11. 14
12. 13
13. 12
14. 6, 88, 21, 43
15. 24, 99, 48, 18, 16

[Rekart]

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. No
6. Dodge
7. Dodge
8. Rusty
9. 10, 77
10. Rusty, Riggs, Jeffy, Jimmie, Petty
11. 15
12. 12
13. 13
14. 6, 21, 88, 43 (this was a tough one)
15. Rusty, Jeffy, Jimmie, Jr, Petty

[pat]

1. No
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. No
6. Chevy
7. Chevy
8. 2
9. 77 10
10. 10 2 16 29
11. 13
12. 11
13. 9
14. 6 88 21 43
15. 20 2 17 29 16

[Rekart]

Bobby's luck turns around and he wins the truck race. Good to see.

[Spartan]

yeah, that 47 team has been strong out of the gate. Bobby is now the 11th driver to be a Triple Crown winner and already the 4th new one of this young year.

Name the first. :-$

[pat]

Mark Martin...I think.

[Spartan]

nah...of course it's kenny shredder schrader. why else would I ask? :-$

1. Yes.
2. No.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. No.
6. GM.
7. Dodge.
8. 12
9. 77 9
10. 12 2 48 24 38
11. 16
12. 9
13. 11
14. 6 21 43 88
15. 2 38 12 24 48

[huh?]

1. No
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. No
6. Chevy
7. Dodge
8. 38
9. 5 10
10. 48, 2, 10, 12, 17
11. 16
12. 11
13. 9
14. 6 43 88 21
15. 12 97 6 2 48

[robb]

1 no
2 no
3 no
4 yes
5 no
6 chevy
7 chevy
8 29
9 9,99
10 29,29,19,2,97
11 15
12 11
13 12
14 88,6,21,43
15 29,38,97,2,42

[Spartan]

jesus christ can I not get one break around here on sundays?

[Spartan]

PCC: The House that Waltrip built.

spartan: 75 (6)
huh?: 70 (5)
pocketfox: 67 (4)
-minardi: 65 (3. got #14 right)
-robb: 65 (3)
pat: 59 (1)

Standings after 6 races:

robb: 27 pts. (2 wins)
pocketfox: 21 pts.
spartan: 19 pts. (2 wins)
huh?: 19 pts. (1 win)
minardi: 16 pts.
pat: 13 pts. (1 win)

I told you I love martinsville.

[pocketfox]

Looking at my stats this year, I'm the Kasey Kahne of PCC. Consistent good finisher, but can't quite get the win.

[Rekart]

But you're ahead of me, so who cares? Pat is the only one in the sad position under my sorry ass.

[Spartan]

PCC, Texas.

1. Will the winner win from the 15th starting spot on back? 1 pt.
2. Will a 2005 winner get the checkered? 2 pt.
3. Will the 38 finish top 8? 3 pt.
4. G/W/C? 4 pt.
5. Will Texas-lauded Evernham get a top 5 from one of its teams? 5 pt.
6. Which car make leads the most laps? 6 pt.
7. What team will have the highest finishing average? 7 pt.
8. What car make wins? 8 pt.
9. Top 2 Rookies/Soph (5 9 10 11 22 25 77 99) 9 pt. (4 for one)
10. Rank. 11 18 20. 10 pt.
11. Cars on the lead lap? 11 pt. (2 off; 3 for exact)
12. Cautions? 12 pt. (1 off; 3 for exact)
13. Longest green flag run (in laps)? 13 pt. (8 off; 6 for exact)
14. Rank. 5 24 25 48. 14 pt.
15. Top 5. 5 pt. each.

[pocketfox]

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes
6. Chevy
7. Roush
8. Ford
9. 9, 99
10. 20, 18, 11
11. 18
12. 7
13. 65
14. 24, 48, 5, 25
15. 24, 17, 6, 99, 20

[Rekart]

1. No
2. No
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes
6. Dodge
7. Penske
8. Dodge
9. 9, 99
10. 20, 18, 11
11. 20
12. 8
13. 65 laps
14. 48, 25, 5, 25
15. Kahne, Wallace, Newman, Johnson, Edwards

[pat]

1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes
6. Dodge
7. Penske
8. Dodge
9. 9 99
10. 20 18 11
11. 16
12. 8
13. 59 laps
14. 24 48 5 25
15. 12 24 16 29 8

[Rekart]

RCR is going to fire Brandon Miller. He has done not one good thing in that 21 car that Harvick and Burton have finished second in about 10 times this season. Sauter ran better as a second driver in that thing.

[Spartan]

Agree 100%. Bowyer did well part-time in the 21, it's a great team. I liked his development...put him full-time in the 2. He's going to be good. I still say give brandon some more time, but it ain't lookin' good.

1. No.
2. No.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. Yes.
6. Chevrolet.
7. Evernham.
8. Chevrolet.
9. 9 99 (all agree...and I don't see it NOT happening)
10. 18 20 11
11. 15
12. 8
13. 12
14. 48 25 24 5
15. 18 9 38 48 99

[Rekart]

Going to the Michigan race. Shitty Row 5, Turn One tickets. Are any of you going (robb, Pat?) Maybe you can upgrade my ass.

[pat]

nah, I'm not. though I'd like to one of these years. Michigan's one of my favorite tracks, and not just because it's in my home state.

[huh?]

1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes
6. Dodge
7. Ford
8. Chevy
9. 9 25
10. 20 18 11
11. 19
12. 10
13. 78
14. 48 25 24 5
15. 48 9 20 10 6

[robb]

1 no
2 yes
3 yes
4 no
5 yes
6 chevy
7 rousch
8 chevy
9 9,77
10 20,18,11
11 15
12 8
13 13
14 48,24,4,25
15 38,6,9,97, 17

Haha, Matt. I have center grandstand row thirty-something.

[Spartan]

Congratulations to the 16, the best TEAM of NASCAR's best organization. Another blistering dominating performance...cut, slice, dice in his backup from 41st starting spot. way to go Greg.



take that, roush team orders.

[Rekart]

Rusty THIRD in points. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pocketfox]

There's 4 drivers older than my mom in the top 10...this is awesome!

[Spartan]

atrocious texas results

huh?: 35 (6)
minardi: 25 (5)
robb: 21 (4)
-pocketfox: 16 (3)
-pat: 16 (3)
spartan: 14 (1)

pcc standings after 7 races, texas.

robb: 31 pts. (2 wins)
huh?: 25 pts. (2 wins) +2
pocketfox: 24 pts. -1
minardi: 21 pts. +1
spartan: 20 pts. (2 wins) -2
pat: 16 pts. (1 win)

[Spartan]

Back to real racing. Here is the PCC for Phoenix. Be aware that the race will be run primetime on FOX Sat. nite. Should make for a great race.

1. Will Dale Jr. defend his two-time Phoenix championship (win)? 1 pt.
2. Will a Penske car finish in the top five? 2 pt.
3. Over/Under on lead lap cars: 19. 3 pt.
4. Which former winner finishes higher? 31/21. 4 pt.
5. G/W/C? 5 pt.
6. Will Jimmie Johnson lose more than 50 points of his points lead? 6 pt.
7. Which team has the highest finishing average (Ganassi was last week)? 7 pt.
8. What car make wins? 8 pt.
9. How many cars fall out of the top 15 in points after Phoenix? 9 pt.
10. Rank. 22 32 37 (lepage). 10 pt.
11. What lap does the first caution fall on? 11 pt. (4 off. 2 for exact)
12. How many different leaders? 12 pt. (2 off. 3 for exact)
13. Who will be in the lucky 35th place in the points after the race? 13 pt.
14. Rank. 25 15 18 7. 14 pt.
15. Top 5. 5 each.

[Rekart]

1. Fuck no
2. Hell yeah
3. Push
4. 21
5. No
6. No. Gain 50 points? Maybe.
7. Penske Racing South/Jasper/Whatever else they feel like calling it.
8. Dodge Charger
9. 1
10. 32, 37, 22
11. 12
12. 10
13. Bobby
14. 15, 18, 7, 25
15. Rusty, Newman, Jeffy, Tony, Kvapil

Also be aware of the F1 race on tape delay on CBS at 1 PM (eastern?) on Sunday.

[pocketfox]

1. No
2. Yes
3. Over
4. 31
5. No
6. No
7. Roush (automatic)
8. chevy
9. 1
10. 22, 32 , 37
11. 18
12. 12
13. Bobby
14. 15, 18, 25, 7
15. 20, 2, 24, 6, 40

BTW: Computer still down, doing this in school.

[pat]

1. No
2. Yes
3. Under
4. 31
5. No
6. No
7. Penske
8. Ford
9. 1
10. 22 37 32
11. 22
12. 9
13. Leffler
14. 15 25 18 7
15. 16 12 6 48 8

[Spartan]

just beware that roush does have 5 teams, and is mathematically given a tough road to hoe for highest team average.

1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Over.
4. 21
5. No.
6. No.
7. Robert Yates
8. Ford.
9. 2
10. 32 22 37
11. 9
12. 14
13. little bobby hamilton
14. 15 25 18 7
15. 38 12 48 2 29

[Rekart]

This Busch race is worse then the ARCA Daytona race. The most unprofessional race I've ever seen.

[Spartan]

fuck it....menard.

yeah, this is gay even being inebriated and all

[Rekart]

Put a few more down for the Biff. It seems he can't lose anymore.

[Spartan]

still amazing that he was in 35th with about 90 laps to go and still made up 34 spots with fifty thousand cautions and the loooooong green flag run of 21 laps.

[robb]

1 no
2 yes
3 over
4 31
5 no
6 no
7 penske
8 chevy
9 2
10 22,32,37
11 8
12 10
13 b-lab
14 18,15,25,7
15 2,29,48,6,42

[huh?]

1. No
2. Yes
3. Under
4. 21
5. No
6. No
7. Penske South
8. Dodge
9. 2
10. 22 32 37
11. 18
12. 13
13. 18
14. 18 15 25 7
15. 19 12 48 6 2

[Rekart]

DEI had the best finishing average, dear God.

Spartan's McMurray bashing soon to follow my post, undoubtedly.

[Rekart]

Double post.

I don't like Bobby Hamilton Jr, but I do like what he said. It may seem like he's just attacking a local short-tracker, but I'll explain after the article:

"#32-Bobby Hamilton Jr. hurried home from Saturday night's Nextel Cup race in Phoenix to compete at Music City Motorplex [see image of Hamilton's car there] yesterday afternoon, but made an early exit with a badly-rumpled car and equally-ruffled feathers. Hamilton and Mark Day crashed while jockeying for second place just 10 laps into the debut of the track's new All American Late Model Challenge Series. The front of Hamilton's car was crushed and he said he had no control of his steering when he came down pit road and smacked into Day's parked car. ''This is why Mark Day is where he's at now,'' said Hamilton, who is in his first full season in NASCAR's Nextel Cup Series. ''Someday when he's sitting around explaining to his kids why he never got anywhere in racing, he can tell them (stuff) like this is why.'' Hamilton had planned to run four of the remaining five Challenge Series races, but after yesterday's incident he said: ''I won't be back. If they can't control their competitors any better than this, I don't want any part of it. I come in here on my day off to race and help the track get a little publicity, and something like this happens.'' Hamilton claimed the incident was a carryover from a highly-publicized rift between Day and former Fairgrounds driver Deborah Renshaw. Renshaw quit racing at the track because of the controversy and now drives in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series for Bobby Hamilton Sr. ''Day ran off Deborah because he couldn't beat her,'' Hamilton said, ''and now he pulls something like this.'' The senior Hamilton, who was watching the race from track-side, said: ''Day just put him in the wall.'' Day, a veteran racer from Clarksville [TN], was asked to give his version of the incident but declined comment."

Now, apparently he's had a run-in with Renshaw. This happened a few years ago. His quote was, more-or-less, "She can't drive because she's a woman, so she doesn't belong on the track." Every other competitor disagreed and nearly all agreed whatever had happened was Day's fault. Therefore, he got what was coming to him, even if it was a year or two after. Also, he couldn't give his opinion on what happened? So, I guess that means Little Piggy was right? If I were the owner/operator of Music City Motorplex, this guy would be fucking gone. "You can't race at my track anymore, get out." Renshaw is a very capable driver, certainly at a local short track, and so is Hamilton Jr, and he's lost both of them because of this dumbfuck.

[Spartan]

if it weren't for what this guy said/did to deborah (weird how both are connected to bobby hamilton. renshaw and his son), I'd just think it was little piggy being a bitch again. he wrecks at any level, and he whines about it for weeks.

But he reason to leave.

[robb]

i won't be here for awhile, my computer got fried.

spread the wonderful news!

[Rekart]

Ahh shit. Fox, and then robb... Spartan and Pat, we've got to watch our computers.

Hahahahaha, this is priceless. Sauter and the 1 car appealed their fine for the large carb and got the fine INCREASED by $25,000. I think they need some better negotiators. :laugh:

[Spartan]

Phoenix PCC results where the leader lapped every other car and then some.

pat: 71 (6) [Got #14 right, and completely got the leaders (9), and the only one to say Leffler would be 35th after the race.]
spartan: 48 (5) [#14 right]
robb: 42 (4)
minardi: 28 (3)
pocketfox: 19 (2)
huh?: 12 (1)

Standings after 8 races, Phoenix.

robb: 35 pts. (2 wins)
-huh?: 26 pts. (2 wins)
-pocketfox: 26 pts.
spartan: 25 pts. (2 wins) +1
minardi: 24 pts. -1
pat: 22 pts. (2 wins)

[pocketfox]

my computer wil be hopefully be back tonight. the oly thing that worries me is that when it went down last time I said that at least 5 times in this thread befroe I got it back.That being said, if it's not fixed tonight, I couldn't see me not having it back by the weekend....

[pat]

jesus christ, I dominated this week. seriously didn't see that coming.

[Rekart]

Still behind me, however. Michiganites remain and bookends. Those of us from the far north, dirty south, and perfect midwest are still stuck in the middle.

[Spartan]

still made up a whole lot of ground on you.

[pat]

yeah, still playing catch up from missing daytona. at least I'm still very much in it despite being last.

[Spartan]

PCC, fucking talladega restrictor-plate style

1. Will DEI (includes Truex in the 1 and the 00 of kenny wallace) win? 1 pt.
2. Will beer cans be thrown on the track again (probably my favorite question ever)? 2 pt.
3. Will a non-top 35 team (meaning they qualified on time instead of being locked in) finish top 8? 3 pt.
4. Under/Over on Cautions: 8. 4 pt.
5. Will the 07 be the highest finishing RCR team? 5 pt.
6. Will the 38 be involved in another Talladega wreck? 6 pt.
7. Who will be the highest finishing Chevrolet? 7 pt.
8. What team has the best finishing average? 8 pt.
9. What car make wins? 9 pt.
10. Rank. 01 10 36 (boris). 10 pt.
11. Name one 30-39 finisher. 11 pt.
12. What lap does the Big One occur? (15 off. 6 for exact). 12 pt.
13. How many lead changes? (4 off. 4 for exact). 13 pt.
14. Rank. 21 38 20 29. 14 pt.
15. Top 5. 5 each.

[Rekart]

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. Under
5. No
6. Yes
7. Jeffy
8. Phoenix Motorsports
9. Chevy
10. 01, 10, 36
11. Boris
12. 160
13. 27
14. 20, 29, 21, 38
15. Jr, Mikey, Jimmie, Jeffy, Rusty

[Spartan]

1. No.
2. No. (But I'll be damned if someone don't)
3. No.
4. Over.
5. No.
6. No.
7. 20
8. MB2
9. GM
10. 01 10 36
11. 32
12. Lap 117
13. 35
14. 20 29 38 21
15. 20 8 97 29 31

And with that, I am fucking OUT OF HERE. Leaving around 6 tomorrow morning, getting there for qualifying. Setting up camp and letting the festivities continue from where they let off last year. See y'all monday.

[pat]

have fun, dude. throw some beer cans for me.

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. Under
5. No
6. Yes
7. 15
8. DEI
9. Chevy
10. 10 01 36
11. Bliss
12. 71
13. 33
14. 29 20 38 21
15. 15 16 29 2 19

[pocketfox]

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. Under
5. No
6. No
7. Jimmie
8. Hendrick
9. Chevy
10. 10, 01, 36
11. Bobby hamilton, jr.
12. 167
13. 38
14. 28, 20, 38, 21
15. 48, 24, 97, 29, 2

2nd consecutive school entry, but it shouldn't be much longer until I'm back online,

[CMQ]

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. Under
5. No
6. Yes
7. 20
8. DEI
9. Chevy
10. 10,01,36
11. Kenny Wallace
12. 153
13. 34
14. 20,29,38,21
15. 20,8,24,29,9

[Rekart]

Good to see a new person in here.

[Curtis]

ewww nascar well anyway why is Dale Jr. doing so bad this season? my uncle has been pissed lately cause JR. is losing races.

[Rekart]

Flat track program sucked early in the year. The team is coming around, though. Added to that, Jr. isn't the superhero some many fans think he is. He may be, MAY BE, of the top 10 drivers in the series (this is highly debatable, there are a lot of good drivers,) but he is far from the best. He'll be in the top 10 by the end of the year.

[robb]

1 yes
2 no
3 no
4 over
5 no
6 yes
7 8
8 dei
9 chevy
10 10,01,36
11 said
12 79
13 12
14 29,38,20,21
15 8, 29, 88, 1, 24

a little late, i'm sorry.

[Rekart]

Still seems as though you sucked, wouldn't be too worried about it.

[Spartan]

Another attended race, another Gordon victory. Not to mention four straight races I've been to that truex has won.

Gotta say that I cannot go to a race anymore without my scanner. As you would expect from a plate track, it was all Kenny's spotter doing the talking and if David or Kenny ever talked, it usually under yellow. However...Kenny and the 49 decided to move up some time after the early going (might have been right after jeff green's spin) and were around 30th place or so with the 31 in hot pursuit in the outside lane. Lap 31:

"Goddamnit, you tell motherfuckin jeff burton's spotter to tell motherfucking jeff burton that if he continues this shit, I'll see to it that he won't finish. Stupid sonofabitch. You'd think he was a damn rookie bump-drafting in the tri-oval like that."

And...this marks two years now that the 49 has escaped the big one by being the last one to get through unscathed (plus that mini-big one late in the race that took out dei).

Scott: 3 wide, so-and-so in the midd...smoke. get through the middle.
<carnage ensues as jr. acts like a damned fool>
Scott: Uh, good job.
....
....
Kenny (at the end of turn 2 near the backstretch by this point): ...I don't see many cars behind me.
....
Kenny: Was I the last one through?
Scott: yeah, 10-4. sure looks like it.
....
....
....
Kenny: How many involved?
Scott: Dunno...looks like maybe more than 25. David might know.
David: 10-4. 22 involved.
....
....
....
Kenny: Well, we sure picked a helluva time to start picking up the pace and get through the pack. Jesus Christ.

And under the 45 minute red-flag, kenny and someone (dunno who really) were arguing back and forth about the cards. possibly the longest red flag delay since the concrete coming up at martinsville last spring. And another thing to note is that finally, in my third race, I JUST now saw a green flag cycle of pit stops.

[pocketfox]

heh, excellent. Good race overall, though it sucked that the big one took mark and Sterling out of the top 10 in points though. I'm sure Mark will get back there, but Sterling is more of a question mark. Well, I'm anticipating Saturday's race at Darlington,a nd luckily it's only 5 days away. For those of you wonderig when I'll be back online, it all depends on when my neighbor can come over. The thing is, I can't find my recovery disc, but luckily there;s a disc that can restore things, but due to my lack of transportation ability, he's got to get it for me. Should be soon...we'll see when I call him after school today.

[Rekart]

It's too bad the big one(s) didn't take out more of the favorites and create a more favorable, underdog-based top 10. Schrader did a great job getting through the big one, but did you see Biffle? I don't know how the hell he got through. It closed in all around him.

Jeffy winning is better then Jr. What was the crowd like after he crashed?

As for my race report, Gateway was pretty boring. No passes for the lead. Reutimann had the next fastest truck and could keep up with Musgrave, but got caught out during green flag stops. My purchases were:

1:64th Kyle Busch Carquest #84 from last year.
1:64th Terry Labonte #44 from this year
1:64th Rusty Wallace #2 from the shootout. Love this damn thing.

[Spartan]

half the crowd in my section left as I waved sarcastically at them and at jr.'s wrecked car. naturally, they all bitched about jeffy getting "OUR" (the humility!) big plate handed by nascar. ...yeah, I'm still trying to let that one soak in.

I knew g/w/c would be dumb at plate tracks...though I think it worked okay at daytona because your handling alone can overtake a car. at talladega though, you'd might as well wait 3-4 laps before doing anything.

but damn that big one sucked.

[Rekart]

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031782470791&path=%21sports&s=1037645509200

Roush needs to stop whining. "Oh my God, competition! Ahh, keep it out!" You ever heard of trying to fucking beat them instead of whining and trying to keep them out? Maybe Ford or Chevy need to run it like Toyota if they're so damn worried about getting beat. Also, you'll see that it doesn't mention Dodge. Toyota is a big company, but so are Ford and GM. It's not like they can't handle it. Shut the fuck up Roush, and just work on making your team better and not what Toyota may be able to do. And, contrary to what he said, they haven't exactly blown the truck series up. They've got a lot of good drivers for their teams, and that's that. It's not like Chevy and Dodge both haven't handled them pretty good, although Ford only really has Roush.

The problem is, the current manufacturers haven't made the environment all that great for the teams. That's why so many left for greener pastures with Dodge, and that's why they'll do it with Toyota, too. Ford and Chevy need to suck it up and learn how to do it better. Toyota has found a very efficient, easy way to do it, and Dodge does it better then both of them now too. Use some new ideas and do it better then them or just shut up and get out. I don't mind a one-make series, the bodies don't make a big difference to me right now anyway.

[Spartan]

good article, but it brings up a question I haven't thought about in some time...

if bill davis can be black-balled by dodge, why isn't penske? I think we all know the answer to that one, but it is a double standard, isn't it?

[Rekart]

Different series (trucks still NASCAR,) there wasn't a Dodge option in IRL and there was in trucks.

[Spartan]

Talladega results, crazy wrecking hick Alabama style.

pat: 67 (got lead changes exactly right. nice pick) (6)
simpsonsfan82: 53 (5)
robb: 49 (4)
-minardi: 48 (3)
-spartan: 48 (3)
pocketfox: 41 (1)

Cumulative standings after 9 races

robb: 39 pts. (2 wins)
pat: 28 pts. (3 wins) +4
spartan: 28 pts. (2 wins) +1
-pocketfox: 27 pts. -1
-minardi: 27 pts.
huh?: 26 pts. (2 wins) -4
simpsonsfan82: 5 pts.

good points battle and shakeup.

[Rekart]

Great start for simpsonsfan, too. Now all that matters is if they ever come back in here.

[Spartan]

Entry List for Darlington, this Saturday nite: http://www.racingone.com/entrylist.asp?raceid=2356

00 (k. wallace) 00 (carl long) 7* 08 09* 13 22* 32* 34 37* 61 66* 89 92*

these are the teams that have to time their way in friday in qualifying. * denotes full-time team.

08 is Hmiel. 13 is greg sacks. 34 is actually not lajoie but jeff fuller. 61 is tony raines. Those are the 4 teams attempting that would be considered unfamiliar.

So, back to the point, that means 14 teams are qualifying for 8 availabe spots and 6 going home.

I say the 6 heading back up to charlotte are: 00 (long) 13 34 61 89 92

[Rekart]

So Morgan and Sacks are back, ehh? Kirk is still gone, though. Going home:

34, 00 (Long,) 61, 13, 92, someone else.

Morgan has a chance since he's got so much experience, Robby will make it, Wallace will make it, Hamilton will make it, Hmeil will make it, Sauter will make it, Wimmer is out of the top 35?, Lepage is on the fringe, and Hermie is even farther on the fringe.

[CMQ]

Great start for simpsonsfan, too. Now all that matters is if they ever come back in here.

Don't worry I''m here to stay

[Spartan]

sorry for the late entry...pcc darlington

1. Will the 48 sleep with the lady in black again? 1 pt.
2. Will a non-top 35 team score a top 15? 2 pt.
3. Over/under on engine failures: 3. 3 pt.
4. Who finishes higher: 49/21? 4 pt.
5. G/W/C? 5 pt.
6. Highest finishing Ford? 6 pt.
7. What car make wins? 7 pt.
8. Highest finishing rookie/sophomore? (5 9 10 11 22 25 32 77 99) 8 pt.
9. Who leads the most laps? 9 pt.
10. Rank. 40 41 42. 10 pt.
11. How many cautions? (2 off; 4 for exact) 11 pt.
12. What car will finish 43rd? 12 pt.
13. Who causes the first caution (if incoherent debris, it'll go to the next caution)? 13 pt.
14. Rank. 2 12 9 19. 14 pt.
15. Top 5. 5 each.

[pocketfox]

1. No
2. no
3. under
4. 21
5. No
6. 16
7. Chevy
8. 9, 99
9. Gordon
10. 40, 42, 41
11. 9
12. 09
13. Hamilton, jr.
14. 2, 12, 9, 19
15. 24, 16, 48, 6, 97

I'm starting to wonder if doing these in school is causing a slump. Let's hope that ends this as and so does doing it in school.

[pat]

1. No
2. No
3. over
4. 21
5. Yes
6. 97
7. Ford
8. 9
9. 97
10. 42 40 41
11. 8
12. Raines
13. Raines
14. 12 19 2 9
15. 97 48 24 29 15

question about #8. are we supposed to choose one driver from the list, or are we supposed to choose both the highest finishing rookie and the highest finishing sophomore?

[Spartan]

highest overall. was going to specify, but forgot.

[CMQ]

1. No
2. No
3. Over
4. 21
5. No
6. 97
7. Dodge
8. 9
9. 24
10. 42,40,41
11. 8
12. 192
13. 10
14. 12,9,2,19
15. 12,24,97,17,16

Question if on question 3 i want to guess 3 failures do I put over or under right there?

[Rekart]

1. Chandra had better watch out.
2. Yes
3. Over
4. 21
5. No
6. Martin
7. Dodge
8. 9
9. 9
10. 40, 42, 41
11. 8
12. TBA
13. Leffler
14. 9, 2, 19, 12
15. Rusty, Kahne, Jeffy G, Jeff B, Bobby

[Spartan]

unlike what rekart said, you don't put equal. if you want 2 or below, it's under. if you want the amount (in this case 3) or more, you use over.

1. No.
2. No.
3. Over.
4. 21
5. No.
6. 6
7. Dodge.
8. 9
9. 48
10. 42 41 40
11. 8
12. 92
13. 25
14. 19 9 12 2
15. 19 20 48 9 88

[robb]

1 no
2 no
3 under
4 49
5 yes
6 busch
7 chevy
8 99
9 48
10 42, 40, 41
11 10
12 92
13 25
14 9,2,12,19
15. 29, 97, 42, 38, 24

[pat]

that last caution, I kept thinking to myself, "what if schrader wins this thing? that would be awesome." I knew it was virtually impossible, but it wouldn't have been too bad to see.

[Spartan]

cstrams87 (11:26:42 PM): yes
cstrams87 (11:26:53 PM): but he didn't get started at all
cstrams87 (11:26:59 PM): because he started and newman didn't
cstrams87 (11:27:05 PM): so he had to brake really hard
psting64 (11:27:09 PM): yeah, he almost fucking ran his ass over
cstrams87 (11:27:16 PM): would've loved it
cstrams87 (11:27:27 PM): spin him out, pass him, win under caution
psting64 (11:27:35 PM): ...
psting64 (11:27:38 PM): shit
......
......
......
psting64 (11:28:10 PM): and it would've been legit too, since newman was slow on the restart
psting64 (11:28:17 PM): it wasn't as if shredder deliberately ran him over
cstrams87 (11:28:26 PM): yeah
psting64 (11:28:29 PM): FUCK

[Rekart]

I'll be like you:

DON'T POST AIM CONVERSATIONS! HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I FUCKING TOLD YOU THAT!

[Spartan]

darlington results

pat: 32 (6)
pocketfox: 31 (5)
-simpsonsfan82: 30 (4)
-spartan: 30 (4)
robb: 27 (2)
minardi: 22 (1)

cumulative results after darlington:

robb: 41 pts. (2 wins)
pat: 34 pts. (4 wins)
spartan: 32 pts. (2 wins)
pocketfox: 32 pts.
minardi: 28 pts.
huh?: 26 pts. (2 wins)
simpsonsfan82: 9 pts.

Pat gets a huge jump on robb's lead. 11 pt. lead drops to 7 points and is now alone in second place.

[Spartan]

47 entered this week at Richmond, which means 4 will go home. Essentially, it's 12 teams racing for 8 positions.

00 (long) 7* 09 11* 27 (kirk shelmerdine) 32* 34 (fuller again) 37* 66* 75 (garvey) 89 92 (raines).
* denotes full time team.

I say 75 89 27 92 miss the show.

[pocketfox]

Definitely looking forward to the race Saturday night, but all these night races leaves me very bored on Sunday....

[Spartan]

PCC, Richmond.

1. Will Roush or Hendrick win yet again? 1 pt.
2. Who finishes higher: 0/19? 2 pt.
3. Will Jeff Burton get a top ten? 3 pt.
4. Will the winner start from the top 8? 4 pt.
5. G/W/C? 5 pt.
6. Over/under on caution laps: 65. 6 pt.
7. What car make wins? 7 pt.
8. Highest finishing rookie or sophomore? (5 9 10 11 22 25 32 77 99) 8 pt.
9. What team will have the best AVERAGE finish? 9 pt.
10. Rank. 16 24 97. 10 pt.
11. How many cautions? (2 off; 3 for exact). 11 pt.
12. Name a 16-25 finisher. 12 pt.
13. Who causes the first caution? 13 pt.
14. Rank. 11 22 32 4. 14 pt.
15. Top 5. 5 pt. each.

[Rekart]

1. Yes
2. 19
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. No
6. Under
7. Chevy
8. 25
9. Wood Brothers
10. 24, 16, 97
11. 10
12. Hamilton Jr.
13. Leffler
14. 4, 32, 22, 11
15. Rusty, Jeffy, Burton, Rudd, Mayfield

[CMQ]

1. Yes
2. 19.
3. Yes
4. No
5. No
6. Over
7. Chevy
8. 9
9. Evernham
10. 24 97 16
11. 14
12. 15
13. 66
14. 22,11,4,32
15. 48,8,24,38,29

[pocketfox]

1. Yes
2. 19
3. yes
4. No
5. No
6. Over
7. Chevy
8. 99
9. Roush
10. 24, 16, 97
11. 13
12. Riggs
13. Hamilton, jr.
14. 22, 11, 32, 4
15. 6, 2, 31, 48, 99

[pat]

1. Yes
2. 19
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. No
6. Over
7. Chevy
8. 99
9. Penske
10. 24 16 97
11. 11
12. 01
13. 89
14. 22 11 4 32
15. 16 24 12 31 6

[Spartan]

1. No.
2. 19
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. No.
6. Over.
7. GM.
8. 9
9. James Finch
10. 24 97 16
11. 10
12. 0
13. 22
14. 4 32 11 22
15. 20 6 24 48 29

[Spartan]

great to see a first time winner and a polish victory lap. Also good to see Dodge back in victory lane...definitely not penske (unless the stars align and the 77 wins) but evernham. nice win, kasey.

[pocketfox]

Newman will win soon, but for now FUCK YEAH KASEY!!!

[Rekart]

On to Indy now, I think Danica Patrick needs a break. Based on the interview she gave after her first run, I don't think she's ready for the media yet. She needs to make one last run, get the pole, and leave the track until the next practice day. Even then, it may be best to stay out a day or two with the pole. Rahal needs to pay attention and keep her away from the media and all the people. Rice was ready last year, he had been around a few years and had some success.

That was one hell of a save in the first turn, though.

[Spartan]

Richmond results

pat: 53. Got #14 right. [5]
Simpsonsfan82: 43. Got the highest averaging team - Evernham - and the infamous #14. Great job. [4]
spartan: 41 [3]
minardi: 28 [2]
pocketfox: 07 [1]

Standings after 11 races

robb: 41 pts. (2 wins)
pat: 39 pts. (5 wins)
spartan: 35 pts. (2 wins)
pocketfox: 33 pts.
minardi: 30 pts.
huh?: 26 pts. (2 wins)
simpsonsfan82: 13 pts.

No points shakeup, but robb's DNQ certainly helped the cause. pat WINS yet again, 5th win out of 11 (or 10, to be practical). If you want a pcc this winston