Formula 1 Results & Standings Thread

[duffless89]

Instead of putting the results in my signature, I'll just put them in Round by Round in this thread, O.K.?

Man, I've got a lot of catching up to do...

Round 1 - Melbourne, Australia - 07/03/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/220976493__aus_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1278246390__f1_helmet_alonso.gif Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault

4th Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams
5th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
6th Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
7th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
8th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
9th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
10th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
11th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
12th Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
13th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
14th Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan

DNF:
Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi
Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi
Kimi Raikkonen (FIN) McLaren

Standings (after Round 1)
1. M. Schumacher 10
2. Barrichello 8
3. Alonso 6
4. R. Schumacher 5
5. Montoya 4
6. Button 3
7. Trulli 2
8. Coulthard 1

[God]

Just start from the next round.

Hope Michael Schumacher wins every race, I am sick of everyone saying its boring with him being so good, but I think that its actually really exciting and I hope he wins every race..

[George Cauldron]

It would be good to see him win every race this season, even if it does feel predictable and tired. I'd like to see Jenson Button win a Grand Prix this year. His form is incredible at the moment.

[SideshowTim]

Yeah Button is doing well, Aussies never go well in Formula one, Mark Webber sucks dick, I'd like to see Schumacher win this year again and it looks like he will.

[Rekart]

BAR will get 2nd in the manufacturers. GO BAR!

Minardi has been testing their asses off, at least for them. They also visited the wind tunnel, and have been getting new sponsros about every week and a half.

[mohammed jafar]

have they managed to get any sponsors that anyone has actually heard of? i think not. at least zsolt baumgartner goes slow enough to let the crowds get a good proper squint at the strange decals though. i kill me.

also, mark webber is awesome. quit hatin.

[Rekart]

Don't know. Doesn't matter if you've heard of them if money is coming in, though.

Webber has sucked this year. He'd better pick it up if he wants that Williams drive next year. He hasn't seemed to be very smart this year either, he's driving like he has a concussion or something. Or he's just been smoking something a little too much...

[duffless89]

Round 2 - Sepang, Malaysia - 21/03/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/878799207__mal_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1291259046__f1_helmet_jpmontoya.gif Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/958746658__f1_helmet_button.gif Jenson Button (GBR) BAR

4th Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
5th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
6th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
7th Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
8th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
9th Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
10th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
11th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
12th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
13th Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
14th Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi
15th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
16th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi

DNF:
Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams
Kimi Raikkonen (FIN) McLaren

Standings (after Round 2)
1. M. Schumacher 20
2. Barrichello 13
3. Montoya 12
4. Button 9
5. Alonso 8
6. Trulli 6
7. R. Schumacher 5
8. Coulthard 4
9. Massa 1

[Rekart]

Why don't you put them all in one post?

[duffless89]

I want get to 250 posts so I can create my own custom status. Either 'Now with added Rageahol' or 'King of Partially-Alcoholic Beers'.

[duffless89]

Round 3 - Sakhir, Bahrain - 04/04/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/240408944__bah_flag.jpg

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/958746658__f1_helmet_button.gif Jenson Button (GBR) BAR

4th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
5th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
6th Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
7th Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams
8th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
9th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
10th Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
11th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
12th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
13th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
14th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
15th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
16th Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
17th Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi

DNF:
Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi
David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
Kimi Raikkonen (FIN) McLaren

Standings (after Round 3)
1. M. Schumacher 30
2. Barrichello 21
3. Button 15
4. Montoya 12
=5. Alonso 11
=5. Trulli 11
7. R. Schumacher 7
=8. Sato 4
=8. Coulthard 4
=10. Massa 1
=10. Webber 1

[God]

Its 300 for a custom title by the way, or at least last time I checked.

Does anyone reckon Scott Dixon will get a drive next year ? I heard he's had a couple of tests for Williams.

[SideshowTim]

If you ask a moderator, They will change your custom title to whatever you want it to be. Webber better shape up, He isn't going to well at the moment. The next race is his!

[mohammed jafar]

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Webber has sucked this year. He'd better pick it up if he wants that Williams drive next year.

well i havent heard much dissatisfaction with his performances this year, and he's still the most likely out of the current drivers to go to williams. far more so than fisichella at least, and probably button too. impressive in malaysia, decent enough in australia and bahrain. i guess he didn't do anything at imola because i can't remember anything about his performance there at all. everyone knows the R9 is a pieceashit, so he's not being expected to win races or anything anyway. and he totally teabags christian klien, who is decent enough.

scott dixon could easily go to williams, yeah. he was only a couple of tenths off ralf and jpm in the tests he did. if they can't get jacques back, then they'll probably go for dixon and webber. button will need to do ridiculously well in the rest of the season if he wants to go to williams, as it'll cost a shitload of money to buy him out of his contract, a shitload that williams will not want to spend unless they're sure they're getting someone really special (of course, there is the chance button may not want to go to williams anyway, with bar's current form). anyway id love to see dixon go to f1, as im sick of seeing great drivers wasted in the IRL...

[Rekart]

Klien has been running as fast as Webber this year, even beating him a few times. That's not good. The R9 (you sure? I thought it was the R5) has not been all that bad, even with the preseason talk of how much of a piece of shit it was.

But, I agree: It will be Dixon and Webber are Williams. Button has already said he'd rather stay at BAR then go to Williams, anyways. I don't blame him, Honda and his team are on it.

[mohammed jafar]

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Klien has been running as fast as Webber this year, even beating him a few times. That's not good.

webber has outqualified him emphatically in every race. klien has finished everything, sure, but he's not got any higher than tenth and hasn't really impressed at all (I don't see him lasting the whole season unless he gets his ass in gear, red bull sponsorship or no red bull sponsorship). webber has been running in some great positions before his retirements, and got second on the grid in malaysia. on course for a good points finish there too were it not for being rammed by ralf, and would have finished higher in bahrain were it not for various entanglements. would have got in the points in australia were it not for the car.

Originally posted by MinardiF1
The R9 (you sure? I thought it was the R5)

yeah, it is. dont know why i typed that

Originally posted by MinardiF1
has not been all that bad, even with the preseason talk of how much of a piece of shit it was.

it's not a total dog, it's no R3 haha, but it's still slow. that it's finishing in the points at all is down to mark webber's ability. klien shows how far off the pace it is in the hands of an average driver rather than an exceptional one.

[Starbucks Exec]

Hey, didn't notice this thread before.

Anyway, odd isn't that BAR have made a quantum leap in performance the year after Villeneuve leaves? Must be his pay packet being re-directed into development.....

Ferrari are brilliant as ever, and the fact that Bridgestone have upped their game this year have helped them tremendously. Gooooooo Michael!

Williams still aren't quite there. I wonder if this is perhaps ecause the BMW side of the operation still isn't quite gelling with the Williams side of the outfit? Definitely something going on behind the scenes there - after all, part of the reason for Ferrari's massive success is the fact that they're a very close-knit team with maximum co-operation from all parties.

McLaren? Well, I'll say nothing other than that they've been a good source of comic relief this year. When things get boring up front, there's nothing like a good old Mercedes-Ilmor fireworks display to liven things up.:)

Anyway, one thing I've loved about this years races (other than the fact that Michael keeps winning) have been the intense mid-field scraps we've had. More of the same please.

[mohammed jafar]

Originally posted by Starbucks Exec

Anyway, odd isn't that BAR have made a quantum leap in performance the year after Villeneuve leaves?

what's even more odd is that jacques isn't bitter about it

[Rekart]

If Williams were smart, they'd stay away from Jacques for the next season ride. I just don't think he's the same driver that he used to be.

[duffless89]

I think after this race, I'm up to date.

Round 4 - Imola, San Marino - 25/04/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/1825666156__San_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/958746658__f1_helmet_button.gif Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1291259046__f1_helmet_jpmontoya.gif Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams

4th Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
5th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
6th Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
7th Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams
8th Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
9th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
10th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
11th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
12th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
13th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
14th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
15th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi
16th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR

DNF:
Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi

Standings (after Round 4)
1. M. Schumacher 40
2. Barrichello 24
3. Button 23
4. Montoya 18
5. Alonso 16
6. Trulli 15
7. R. Schumacher 9
=8. Sato 4
=8. Coulthard 4
=10. Massa 1
=10. Webber 1
=10. Räikkönen 1

[Rekart]

http://www.fia.com/resources/images/928130403__Bruni.gif

The best driver in F1 other then Schumi^

[duffless89]

Obviously a Bruni fan, aren't ya?

[duffless89]

Oh, anyway, I'm considering starting one of these threads for MotoGP. Should I, or shouldn't I?

[Rekart]

No. I'm surprised this one is doing as good as it is. Don't push your luck with MotoGP. You won't get me in there, I don't watch motorcycles. I think two auto racing threads is enough (This and NASCAR one).

[duffless89]

Alright then. Your opinion is greatly valued.

[Rekart]

...especially since it's the only one you've gotten :P.

[mohammed jafar]

Ricardo Zonta 3rd and 4th in the two Friday practices? damn. kick grumpy Olivier to the kerb and give this guy a race seat again.

button top in the second, schumi in the first, btw. so same story as imola, though barcelona should be bar's strongest track.

[Rekart]

Minardi is... actually closer this week. Less than a second off of Jordan. Bas Leinders is FASTER THAN ZSOLT. Of course, we all know Zsolt is only on the team because of his nam..., or, I mean, his money.

[mmforbiddendoughnut]

Ok whats with David Coulthard this year? hes not doing like what he normally is, he usually can get a podium by now, but stupid Micheal, meh oh well, i think ferrari is gonna win again this year with mr. big driving.

[mohammed jafar]

the Mclaren MP4-19 this year is a million miles off the standard of recent previous models, so DC can't really aim for podiums at the moment. he's doing ok really, in comparison with Kimi that is.

on another note, MS was unbefuckinglievable today.

[Rekart]

Meh, DC didn't do very good last year either. He's on his way out.

[mmforbiddendoughnut]

I wouldent go that far, so MS got 5 in a row, what the hell, Ferrari Got it right this year!

[Rekart]

Ferrari gets it right every year.

[George Cauldron]

Schumacher winning again was predictable, but nonetheless still an enjoyable race. I'm not a Schumacher fan, but I enjoy his domination of the sport, whereas I dislike the domination of individuals and teams in other sports. Why is this?

[RadioactiveMan69]

I'm a juan pablo motnoya fan...

There was a race today

[Rekart]

Originally posted by George Cauldron
Schumacher winning again was predictable, but nonetheless still an enjoyable race. I'm not a Schumacher fan, but I enjoy his domination of the sport, whereas I dislike the domination of individuals and teams in other sports. Why is this?

Because you're weird?

[mmforbiddendoughnut]

Cars go Vroom.

[y2dave2004]

Schmacher is making F1 Boring. They need to slow him down and fast.

[Rekart]

Too bad that's not going to happen. Ferrari got it right this year, although I think the bigger story is how much McLaren and Williams got it wrong.

[mohammed jafar]

f1 would be boring even if Williams and Mclaren got it right. it was boring last year, wasn't it. it was boring when Mika was winning in 98/99, wasn't it. i want no refuelling. back to slicks. far less aerodynamics, and back to mechanical grip. i've had enough of this pathetic engineered-overtaking pitstop shit, it's not in the slightest bit interesting.

[Rekart]

Nope, keep the pit stops for fuel and tires. The rest is good about those new ideas.

[duffless89]

Round 5 - Barcelona, Spain - 09/05/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/2010857935__esp_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1928931249__f1_helmet_trulli.gif Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault

4th Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
5th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
6th Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams
7th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
8th Jenson Butto (GBR) BAR
9th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
10th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
11th Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
12th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
13th Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota

DNF:

Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi
Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi

Standings (after Round 5)
1. M. Schumacher 50
2. Barrichello 32
3. Button 24
=4. Alonso 21
=4. Trulli 21
6. Montoya 18
7. R. Schumacher 12
8. Sato 8
9. Coulthard 4
10. Fisichella 2
=11. Massa 1
=11. Webber 1
=11. Räikkönen 1

[RadioactiveMan69]

damn montoya's car!

[God]

I absolutely think that Schumi will get maximum points for every race this season. I can't see him losing one.

[RadioactiveMan69]

I don't think so

[Rekart]

Nah, something will happen. Although, right now, it is hard to see him losing.

[duffless89]

In the meantime, let's hear your opinions on the next round, the Monaco Grand Prix, the jewel of Formula 1's crown.

[George Cauldron]

Well, I've always liked the Monaco Grand Prix, it has a huge buzz of excitement about it, a track in a well-built area, the luxury lifestyle, it's the highlight of the F1 calendar.

[mohammed jafar]

[Rekart]

Monaco is the best GP of the year, easy. Such a small track, so hard to steer around. Great track.

[duffless89]

I haven't had much of a say in this. But I reckon that it will be Button & Webber @ Williams in '05.

[Rekart]

What about... Webber and Scott Dixon. It could be the Austrlaia-area team, since Webber is from Australia, and, if I can remember correctly, Dixon is from New Zealand, which, if I remember correctly, is a group islands pretty close to Australia.

If I remember correctly.

[mohammed jafar]

actually now that I think about it I'm not sure they'll want to take a chance on dixon considering he's only driven on ovals for the past 3 (?) years. and they'll remember what happened with zanardi as much as what happened with montoya.

[duffless89]

I ain't got no probs with Dixon (so don't think it's another case of Aussies paying-out Kiwis), it's just that, on current form, Button looks the goods. Anyway, there's nothing stopping a Button-Dixon combo, with Webber missing out altogether.

[Rekart]

Except that Button said he wanted to stay with BAR. Plus, they're doing just as good as Williams now.

[duffless89]

If not, even better.

[Hurricane]

Don't forget that Jacques Villeneueve Could be going to Williams, which could be pretty interesting to watch, but i agree Young Drivers like Webber and Dixon would be a good duo.

[mmforbiddendoughnut]

Micheal hit a wall, car go boom. streak over, wait til next year!

[George Cauldron]

Thought Monaco was a great race. The Button-chasing-Trulli in the final laps was some thrilling action that rejuvenated my waning interest for a few minutes. Trulli's first victory was certainly deserved. Poor Schumacher, but hey, he's nearly got the championship all wrapped up anyway.

[Rekart]

Damn! Zsolt finished one spot out of the points.

[mmforbiddendoughnut]

i bet 10 bucks that micheal wins with 6 races to go in the championship

[duffless89]

Shock Horror!! Schumacher gets a DNF! Bizarre circumstances, though. Anyways, congrats to Trulli for his first G.P. win.


Round 6 - Monte Carlo, Monaco - 23/05/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/1879969282__mon_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1928931249__f1_helmet_trulli.gif Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/958746658__f1_helmet_button.gif Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari

4th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
5th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
6th Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
7th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
8th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
9th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi
10th Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams

DNF:

Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi

Standings (after Round 6)
1. M. Schumacher 50
2. Barrichello 38
3. Button 32
4. Trulli 31
5. Montoya 23
6. Alonso 21
7. R. Schumacher 12
8. Sato 8
9. Massa 5
10. Coulthard 4
11. da Matta 3
=12. Fisichella 2
=12. Heidfeld 2
=14. Panis 1
=14. Webber 1
=14. Räikkönen 1

[duffless89]

If you people are wondering how Schumacher retired in the first place, here's the 411 from www.formula1.com

...Schumacher was not making much ground on the Renaults, until lap 42, when he passed one of them in mangled state on the exit to the tunnel. It was Alonso’s, the Spaniard having spun while moving off line to lap a gear-troubled Ralf Schumacher.

This was the incident that really changed the face of the race, for while the field was running under the safety car Schumacher braked hard in the tunnel (to keep his brakes hot, he said) and a lapped Montoya had to take sudden avoiding action to the right. As Schumacher closed the gap they collided, Schumacher hitting the left-hand wall and smashing off his left front wheel. He dragged his damaged car back to the pits, and there the recriminations began. Both drivers were later called before the stewards but eventually it was decided that no action would be taken against either...

Pix from www.f1racing.net

http://www.f1racing.net/en/photo.php/small/28576.jpg
Alonso's wrecked car.
http://www.f1racing.net/en/photo.php/small/28557.jpg
Schumacher's wrecked car (take a good look, it's doesn't happen often).

[SideshowTim]

Alonso had a great chance of winning so did Schumi. Trulli is one lucky fuck, Button is unlucky though, He's performed well all season he deserved this win.

[mohammed jafar]

both schumachers responsible for both their respective tunnel incidents, without a doubt.

Originally posted by SideshowTim
Trulli is one lucky fuck

um, what?

[SideshowTim]

He's lucky that Schumacher crashed, or fucked his tyre, otherwise I don't think he would have had a chance of winning.

[mohammed jafar]

when MS crashed Jarno was only three cars behind him on a safety car lap, on fresh tyres and didn't have to stop again. schumacher was on worn tyres and did have to stop again. even if MS had managed to assert himself after his upcoming pitstop - which would have been a seriously difficult task especially on Bridgestones - he had only been as fast as Trulli all day, not faster, and wouldn't have put any more pressure on him towards the end than Button did. and...it was MS's own fault he retired anyway.

besides, Trulli is known for having consistently appalling luck in the past. it's about time he got a break.

[SideshowTim]

If Schumi had recovered from his incident and got back on the track he would of at least been in the points I think.

[Rekart]

I agree with Jafar, personally. Schumi wasn't running much FASTER than Trulli, and even if he did catch him, catching and passing are two different things, especially at Monaco.

[mohammed jafar]

"Jarno did a fantastic job to win and I don't think I could really have challenged." -- MS

granted, Michael is always putting his "look at me, i'm a true gentleman and a great guy, please forget about 94/95 and jerez 97, pleeease" these days, but still....

[Rekart]

Well, I don't know what happened then, but those were 10 and7 years ago. He's gotten a bit older and more mature in those years, so, this is probably the way he actually is now.

[duffless89]

My mum & dad actually went to Adelaide '94. So pissed off that they wouldn't take me. Granted, I was only 5 years old, but I was a bigger F1 nut than my mum!

[SideshowTim]

I have only started to get into F1's this year, forgive my naiveness.

[George Cauldron]

It's naivety, you naive fool! ;)

[mmforbiddendoughnut]

like it matters, as long as you watch, then your a fan, but i dont get it all they do is make stupid turns and wind up where they were, over and over again.

[duffless89]

Not paying out NASCAR or anything but most of the time they only turn left!

[Rekart]

Well, NASCAR and F1 both do that, don't they?

That said, NASCAR has much better racing. The IRL has even better racing. I still like F1 more than both of them. So much cooler. The cars are cooler, everything is.

Just turning left is just as hard as the tracks F1 races on, even though they're just turning one way.

[duffless89]

Anyway, we are in the stage where there are races on back-to-back weekends. This week, we're at the Nurburgring. A great circuit in it's day, considering that it winded around a castle & was 20 km in length & they could only do 14 laps, but.....ah who am I kidding? The new circuit is shit compared to the old one!

[Rekart]

Well, we'll see. And then, is Canada in two weeks, and the USGP the next week? I went to the USGP last year, but it doesn't look like I will be this year. Great race.

[duffless89]

Round 7 - Nurburgring, Europe - 30/05/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/130885751__eur_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/958746658__f1_helmet_button.gif Jenson Button (GBR) BAR

4th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
5th Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
6th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
7th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
8th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
9th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
10th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
11th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
12th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
13th Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
14th Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi
15th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi

DNF:

Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams
Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota

Standings (after Round 7)
1. M. Schumacher 60
2. Barrichello 46
3. Button 38
4. Trulli 36
5. Alonso 25
6. Montoya 24
7. R. Schumacher 12
8. Sato 8
=9. Massa 5
=9. Fisichella 5
11. Coulthard 4
=12. da Matta 3
=12. Webber 3
14. Heidfeld 2
=15. Panis 1
=15. Räikkönen 1

[duffless89]

About Williams in '05, Dixon will not be in F1 with Williams. He's signed long term with Chip Ganassi in the IRL. Speaking of which, Buddy Rice won a rain-shortened Indianapolis 500.

I heard on the Australian broadcast of the European Grand Prix that BAR tester Anthony Davidson could end up beside Webber, as he has been scoring impressive test times.

[y2dave2004]

Nurburgring: For a great circut, one of the most boring races I ever seen but Webber did well so that was something.

[duffless89]

Hope it's enough to get the Williams seat.

[duffless89]

Here's my possible teams for 2005. Now, I'd have to rely on stuff that's not gonna happen for this to work.

Ferrari: Michael Schumacher/Rubens Barrichello
Williams: Mark Webber/Jenson Button
McLaren: Juan Pablo Montoya/Kimi Raikkonen
Renault: Jarno Trulli/Fernando Alonso
BAR: Takuma Sato/Anthony Davidson
Sauber: Giancarlo Fisichella/David Coulthard
Jaguar: Christian Klien/Vitantonio Liuzzi
Toyota: Ralf Schumacher/Cristiano da Matta
Jordan: Nick Heidfeld/Felipe Massa
Minardi: Giorgio Pantano/Enrico Toccacelo

Let me explain some theories. Liuzzi will end up at Jaguar for the Red Bull money. Italy will start backing their 'second' team a lot more, thus explaining Pantano & Toccacelo. Panis due to being 39, will retire.

[mohammed jafar]

liuzzi is pretty good, i'd like to see him in there. far better than klien anyway, if they need a red bull driver.

da matta is making moves to go back to the US.

button won't go to williams. swap davidson and button around and you might be right.

felipe massa won't leave sauber, especially not to go to jordan. he's a ferrari protege (for some reason) and the scuderia will demand he is in what is their virtual junior team.

pantano doesn't bring enough money to be at minardi. don't know about who toccacelo has backing him but he's nowhere near good enough to be in f1 so i hope he doesn't have a lot.

[George Cauldron]

The list sounds reasonable. I'd like to see Olivier Panis staying on, not for his racing skills, but so that I can keep on making innuendo every time his surname appears onscreen.

[Rekart]

Pantano isn't good enough to come to Minardi. Zsolt is better than him. Jag won't have two drivers based on Red Bull money, either.

[mohammed jafar]

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Pantano isn't good enough to come to Minardi. Zsolt is better than him.

what are you talking about. giorgio pantano is a great driver, as evidenced by his winning the german formula 3 championship and finishing very highly in F3000 for the last few years. zsolt baumgartner is no better than you or I, as evidenced by him pissing about to no success in similar categories despite having more than capable machinery due to the size of his wallet. are you seriously suggesting that zsolt baumgartner would do better than pantano in the jordan, or that pantano would do worse than baumgartner in the minardi. pantano is considerably better than gianmaria bruni, who is quite good. zsolt is just no contest.

not to mention the hilarity of your suggestion that minardi actually applies standards at all when hiring drivers.... ;)

[Rekart]

Pantano isn't that good. "As evidenced by" how much he's getting his ass kicked by Heidfeld. Bruni is a better driver than him, but I think this will be his first and last year in F1. It should be for Pantano too. Jordan's 3rd driver, Timo Glock, is a better driver than Pantano. Zsolt is at Minardi for money, but he is not that bad. Not nearly as bad as everyone said he would be. He did a pretty good job in the Jordan a few times last year, too. I think Firman should have stayed there (he's a good driver), but that wasn't going to happen.

[mohammed jafar]

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Pantano isn't that good.

well Williams (who hired him as test driver for 2001), McLaren (who tested him circa 2000 with impressive results), and Benetton (who tested him at least twice) would disagree there.

it's also pretty hard to win the most difficult Formula 3 championship in the world, and twice finish in the top 3 of F3000 (beating Enge, Wirdheim, Pizzonia, Monteiro, Liuzzi, Manning, Sarrazin, Haberfeld among others......oh, and Zsolt Baumgartner, who scored 7 points in total over the 2000-2001 seasons compared with Pantano's 95, despite Zsolt having a considerably better car! :D ), if you aren't that good.

Originally posted by MinardiF1
"As evidenced by" how much he's getting his ass kicked by Heidfeld.

even if the two were equally talented, it would be unlikely that someone who has had 4 prior years of F1 racing experience and at least 6 years of F1 experience overall would be beaten by someone who had only had one year of testing experience two years previous and who had barely tested the Jordan due to signing extremely late as opposed to Heidfeld testing it since January.

And Heidfeld's an extremely good (and well-respected as a result) driver anyway, who was a McLaren protege for several years, who could very easily be (and really should be) driving for McLaren right now, who beat Kimi Raikkonen when they were at Sauber, and who is definitely one of the top ten drivers on the grid at the moment.

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Jordan's 3rd driver, Timo Glock, is a better driver than Pantano.

he looks pretty good, yep.

Originally posted by MinardiF1
He did a pretty good job in the Jordan a few times last year, too.

when was that? Monza, when he qualified three seconds slower than his teammate and two seconds slower than the last non-Minardi, before finishing two laps down and second last, a lap behind his teammate who had started from the pitlane? Or Hungary, where he again qualified three seconds slower than his teammate and two seconds slower than the last non-Minardi, before running last for a while until his car gave up? ;)

[Rekart]

First, Williams was sure Pizzonia was a great driver, too. What happened when he started racing? Massa: Again, great tes driver. What happens when he starts racing? Sato: To a lesser extent compared to Massa (I think he's actually a very good driver), but right now he's still a better tester. Testing is not always a great indicator of a racer.

Second, experience DOES make a difference, but he's just completely getting his ASS KICKED by Heidfeld. If he is a great driver (Pantano), then he just wasn't ready for F1 yet. Maybe another year or two.

Third, we agree on that.

Fourth, you just said how can you expect Pantano to do as good as Heidfeld because of experience. How can you expect Baumgartner to be anywhere near as quick as Fisi with NO testing in the Jordan and coming in in the middle of the season?

[mohammed jafar]

Originally posted by MinardiF1
First, Williams was sure Pizzonia was a great driver, too. What happened when he started racing?

he had the wrong attitude, and overdrove constantly. somewhat similar to Takuma Sato in his first season.

williams also hired him back for this year, and he's impressive again. JPM said if he was Frank Williams he would hire him for the vacant 05 race seat....

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Massa: Again, great tes driver. What happens when he starts racing?

he tests the way he races, by all accounts. ferrari are just all up on his nutsack for reasons noone knows.

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Sato: To a lesser extent compared to Massa (I think he's actually a very good driver), but right now he's still a better tester.

both sides of your tester/driver thingy are dubious there. he was only the test driver at BAR because Honda wanted him there, and has proved to be a very impressive racer this year. he sucked at Jordan because he hadn't adjusted psychologically to F1, like Pizzonia. he's still quick. Baumgartner isn't in the slightest bit quick in the first place.

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Second, experience DOES make a difference, but he's just completely getting his ASS KICKED by Heidfeld.

not really. he's been a baumgartner-esque 3 seconds off Heidfeld once, but the rest of the time he has been only about a second off, one time only being a couple of tenths off and one time actually outqualifying him. in the races where his hydraulics haven't broken down (that's 3 out of 7) he has been more or less around the same level as Heidfeld.

Originally posted by MinardiF1
Fourth, you just said how can you expect Pantano to do as good as Heidfeld because of experience. How can you expect Baumgartner to be anywhere near as quick as Fisi with NO testing in the Jordan and coming in in the middle of the season?

he had been testing for Jordan all season.

[Rekart]

1) Meh. Doesn't mean Mo0ntoya knows what he's talking about, plus, who's to say he won't have the same attitude?

2) I guess...

3) Baumgartner has the quickest lap for Minardi in each race, he just can't stay consistent enough. That's got to be experience, because quickness comes naturally, while consistency comes with experience.

4) I was wrong, but even with that, he probably hadn't tested much. Jordan and Minardi don't test much. And, again, testing is different from racing.

Now I wait for your reply in our friendly little discussion here :D.

[mohammed jafar]

Originally posted by MinardiF1
1) Meh. Doesn't mean Mo0ntoya knows what he's talking about, plus, who's to say he won't have the same attitude?

well who knows, but Taku's attitude definitely improved hugely after a year of reflection...

Originally posted by MinardiF1
3) Baumgartner has the quickest lap for Minardi in each race, he just can't stay consistent enough. That's got to be experience, because quickness comes naturally, while consistency comes with experience.

his driving style is pretty inept at times. his linking of turns is virtually non-existent, racing lines are all over the place, and his car control is very haphazard at times. i know the minardi this year is a pretty horrible car but compare him with gianmaria bruni and you can see the difference.

and really, if he had real talent he would have at least done something at least slightly notable in lower formulas, which he hasn't. don't get me wrong, he's not a complete moron, i'm sure he would make a great Hungarian Sportscar Championship winner.... ;)

Originally posted by MinardiF1
4) I was wrong, but even with that, he probably hadn't tested much. Jordan and Minardi don't test much.

well it's still a lot more than pantano got, which was about three days worth.

Originally posted by MinardiF1
And, again, testing is different from racing.

true, but it's just experience actually getting to grips with the car - knowing its limits, finding the balance, etc - that i'm talking about.

[Rekart]

The sad part is, they're talking about getting rid of Bruni now because he "can't handle the situation" or some shit like that (they mean that he loses control under the pressure of F1). My ass.

[duffless89]

I seem to notice that you two are getting along well. I actually only put forward the Klien/Liuzzi partnership because I heard that Red Bull were quitting their involvement with Sauber (which have been with since 1995), to strengthen their partnership with Jaguar.

[duffless89]

And another thing, Paul Stoddart (nothing against the guy) always seems to pick drivers from such obscure racing countries like Malaysia (Yoong) & Hungary (Baumgartner).

[duffless89]

Oh, & just for the sake of it. Post 250!

[Rekart]

You can't get a custom title until 300.

[duffless89]

God dammit!

EDIT: How come I gots 4 stars now?

[mmforbiddendoughnut]

becuase god wants you to feel special! or something that dont relate to that at all, which is that one, but on another note, that race was boring as hell like mentioned before, i stayed up to watch it, i usually watch the highlights or the replay the nexy day, but yea, MS won, of course, god anyone betting against him would be stupud.

[duffless89]

While I'm the starter of this thread, is it O.K. if I plug MinardiF1's formula 1 game? It's at www.minardif1.org.

[Rekart]

WHEE!!!

You can join for the 2005 season now. Please follow these steps to join:

1) E-mail matt@springshield.net
2) Tell me your preferred screenname
3) Tell me your preferred e-mail address (the one that you use the most)

After you e-mail me, I'll send you the rules. It may be a while, as I really still need to make the full rules. I'm just kind of running it race-to-race this season, although I've had no real problems. Please comment on the possible design for next year:

http://www.minardif1.org/design14-1.png

Good? Bad? Comments? Suggestions?

Thanks for the your comments and for joining!

*end plug*

[duffless89]

...just waiting for Canada...

[Rekart]

Do I have your Canadian GP pick?

EDIT: Oh, yes, you gave me all of your picks.

[Rekart]

Double post- bump.

Canadian GP this weekend. Predictions? Ferrari, Schumacher.

[Hurricane]

Canada was a pretty good Race if anybody here is willing to talk about it, but to i didn't realize till the day afterwards that both Toyotas and Williams had been disqualified, sounds like a bad thing for BMW Williams, because they were doing well for once, and the Cristiano Da Matta was in 8th before being DQ, but on a good note, Britains Jenson Button ( Who Was Born In My Town of Frome! And apparently learnt Spanish at my school ) has now been bumped up to 3rd. Drivers Championship isn't actually that one sided to Schumacher :-) Looking good if the BAR's and Company get their act together.

[Rekart]

Timo! Scored points in his first GP EVER, even if he was aided by a few DQ's. Heidfeld in the other Jordan also got points.

[Hurricane]

lol Really? For a moment i was annoyed the Williams and Toyotas were DQ, but WOOO Go Jordan! My Favourite Team!

[Rekart]

News-Bump

Bad news for Hurricane, Timo has been re-replaced by the worse driver, Pantano.

[mohammed jafar]

who is still good. just be thankful jos didn't get that seat

[Rekart]

Pantano sucks major ass. Jos would kill him any day of the week, but I think he made the right choice in not going to Jordan. It's not worth his time. It can't be fun, that's why he left Minardi. He's got enough money to live the rest of his life, and if he can get a good ride, he'll take it, but it's not worth it to have a bad one.

[mohammed jafar]

what do you mean, made the right choice? he tried very hard to get into jordan, and has been trying very hard all season, and is still trying very hard...

[Rekart]

Ok, his manager made the right choice. It is his fault that Jos didn't get the seat, because he kept wanting more money. Jos probably would have taken it for not a whole lot (by F1 driver standards). But, I still think it came down to sponsorship. Trust would have sponsored them (and still do a little bit), but I think the Pantano-Heidfeld line-up brought more and/or lost less (driver salaries).

[Rekart]

WOO!!! Zsolt still sucks, but he got us points!!!

[duffless89]

Yes! The underdogs got point!

Sorry about the lack of results, had to get a new password, & my e-mail provider is troublesome. Results tomorrow or next day.

[duffless89]

Round 8 - Montreal, Canada - 13/06/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/1680870091__can_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/958746658__f1_helmet_button.gif Jenson Button (GBR) BAR

4th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
5th Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
6th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
7th Timo Glock (GER) Jordan
8th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
9th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
10th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi

DQ:

Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams
Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota

DNF:

Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi
Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR

Standings (after Round 8)
1. M. Schumacher 70
2. Barrichello 54
3. Button 44
4. Trulli 36
5. Alonso 25
6. Montoya 24
7. R. Schumacher 12
8. Fisichella 10
9. Sato 8
10. Coulthard 7
=11. Massa 5
=11. Räikkönen 5
=13. da Matta 3
=13. Webber 3
=13. Heidfeld 3
16. Glock 2
17. Panis 1

Trivia: This is only the fourth time since 1994 that Minardi have scored points. (Lamy, Australia '95 - Gene, Europe '99 - Webber, Australia '02)

Round 9 - Indianapolis, U.S.A. - 20/06/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/1571546681__usa_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/818949794__sato.gif Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR

4th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
5th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
6th Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
7th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
8th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi

DNF:

Ralf Schumacher (GER) Williams
Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi
Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar

Standings (after Round 9
1. M. Schumacher 80
2. Barrichello 62
3. Button 44
4. Trulli 41
5. Alonso 25
6. Montoya 24
7. Sato 14
8. R. Schumacher 12
9. Fisichella 10
10. Coulthard 9
11. Räikkönen 8
=12. Massa 5
=12. Panis 5
=14. da Matta 3
=14. Webber 3
=14. Heidfeld 3
17. Glock 2
18. Baumgartner 1

[Hurricane]

Nice set of results there Duffless, and Yeah i actually agree with MinardiF1 on this one, Zsolt Baumgartner is the WORST Driver i've seen in a LONG while. But it was nice to see McLaren getting Both their cars home in the points, especially seen as noww e get to see the new Chassis in France Hopefully! + As i heard on ITV F1, This was Olivier Panis's 150th GP or something, and he got points! Congrats to Sato e.t.c, But Damn i was hoping for a Barrichello Win.

[Rekart]

Have I mentioned lately that Taku is my favorite driver?

[duffless89]

Um... no. Please elaborate.

[Rekart]

How can I elaborate? He's my favorite driver and is one of the best in F1 (contrary to popular belief). The crashes he causes are because he actually wants to RACE people, as opposed to just follow them around. F1 IS supposed to be racing, after all. The other drivers, though, don't expect to get passed in more then two turns throughout a track, so they don't really pay attention and see if someone's ducked out to pass when they go into a turn, and just keep going along their line, effectively running into Taku. If it wasn't for his damn engine, he'd have the same amount of points as Button (he's only 10 behind as it is, and he's had, what, 4 engine failures?).

[mohammed jafar]

which crashes in particular are you referring to?

i love taku but you're being a bit generous there

[Rekart]

Most of the ones he "causes".

[mohammed jafar]

well this year the only crash he's caused was barrichello at the ring. which was clearly a reckless move.

[duffless89]

His engine also blew at Monaco, causing a smokescreen which directly lead to the Fisichella/Coulthard crash.

[Rekart]

Well, he wasn't going to just stop because his engine MIGHT blow.

[mohammed jafar]

and whether or not to come in is completely the decision of the team, and not taku, anyway. he doesn't have telemetry and he can't see if there's shit flying out the back of the car

[duffless89]

*tumbleweeds*

[duffless89]

Anyways, let's discuss something. Where should Mark Webber go in 2005? Everyone says Williams because they are the best team behind Ferrari (not right now they're not). But Toyota & Renault are possibilities. Worst case scenarios are that he stays at Jaguar or leaves F1 altogether. Chances of that are Buckley's & none.

[Rekart]

Renault- No, they'll keep Trulli and Alonso. It's a good match and they're both doing good.

Jag- Hopefully not. They're pretty close to Toyta, though, pathetically.

Toyota- Bad career choice right now, the second best choice.

Williams- If asked to join, hell yes.

Leaving F1- Why would he do that right now?

[mohammed jafar]

the only person who knows where he's going (out of renault and williams - he won't go to toyota or stay at jaguar) is flavio briatore. anything else is pure speculation

[Rekart]

I don't like that the person who runs a team also manages 3 or 4 drivers. It's not fair to the drivers or the competition. They really shouldn't allow it. Jordan made a lot of money managing drivers, but you know what happened when he started his own F1 team? He stopped managing.

[duffless89]

Just heard. Ralf Schumacher will not race in France & will probably not race till Italy. Now, what will that do for all those people who picked Ralf in the F1 game?

[Rekart]

They'll have to change or they'll get his replacement driver. I just put the rules page up, it should explain it.

[duffless89]

Don't worry about them changing, Marc Gene is a skilled driver.

[Rekart]

Ralf signed with Toyota for 3 seasons today.

[duffless89]

Personally, I think I am the biggest toolhead for letting this forum go. I have not got a computer at home therefore I can't post stuff here during school holidays. Results soon.

[Voodoo Monkey]

I interrupt this thread for an important announcement.

Ukyo Katayama is undoubtedly the best Formula 1 driver that grand prix racing has ever produced!

I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of Michael Schumacher's dominance, Minardi's woe, and the exciting battle for first among non-Ferrari drivers.

[Rekart]

I assume Katayama is from Japan, and if that is the case, he's not even the best Japanese GP driver of all time, that would be Mr. Sato next season, specifically, and this season by a bit.

[duffless89]

Discounting a few wildcards when the Japanese Grand Prix was on in the 70's, there have only been 5 Japanese drivers. Satoru Nakajima, Aguri Suzuki, Ukyo Katayama, Toranasuke Takagi & Takuma Sato.

Results now.

Round 10 - Magny-Cours, France - 04/07/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/29331170__fra_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1278246390__f1_helmet_alonso.gif Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari

4th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
5th Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
6th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
7th Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
8th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
9th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
10th Marc Gene (ESP) Williams
11th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
12th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
13th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
14th Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
15th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
16th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
17th Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
18th Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi

DNF:

Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi
Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR


Standings (after Round 10)
1. M. Schumacher 90
2. Barrichello 68
3. Button 48
4. Trulli 46
5. Alonso 33
6. Montoya 25
7. Sato 14
8. R. Schumacher 12
9. Coulthard 12
=10. Fisichella 10
=10. Räikkönen 10
=12. Massa 5
=12. Panis 5
=14. da Matta 3
=14. Webber 3
=14. Heidfeld 3
17. Glock 2
18. Baumgartner 1

[Rekart]

You're still a GP behind.

[duffless89]

I know. I'll be two behind if I'm not careful.

[duffless89]

Up-2-Date!

Round 11 - Silverstone, Great Britain - 11/07/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/1913444962__gb_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/679952844__f1_helmet_raikonnen.gif Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari

4th Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
5th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
6th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
7th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
8th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
9th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
10th Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault
11th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
12th Marc Gene (ESP) Williams
13th Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
14th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
15th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
16th Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi

DNF:

Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi

Standings (after Round 11)
1. M. Schumacher 100
2. Barrichello 74
3. Button 53
4. Trulli 46
5. Alonso 33
6. Montoya 29
7. Räikkönen 18
=8. Sato 14
=8. Coulthard 14
10. Fisichella 13
11. R. Schumacher 12
=12. Massa 5
=12. Panis 5
14. Webber 4
=15. da Matta 3
=15. Heidfeld 3
17. Glock 2
18. Baumgartner 1

[Voodoo Monkey]

That comment I made was not truthful in any way, it was a quote from Murray Walker.

[duffless89]

Webber got some good points @ Germany. Woo-Hoo!

[duffless89]

Round 12 - Hockenheim, Germany - 25/07/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/1155320350__ger_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/958746658__f1_helmet_button.gif Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1278246390__f1_helmet_alonso.gif Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault

4th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
5th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
6th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
7th Antonio Pizzonia (BRZ) Williams
8th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
9th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
10th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
11th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
12th Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
13th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
14th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
15th Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
16th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi
17th Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi

DNF:

Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
Cristiano da Matta (BRZ) Toyota
Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan

Standings (after Round 12)
1. M. Schumacher 110
2. Barrichello 74
3. Button 61
4. Trulli 46
5. Alonso 39
6. Montoya 33
7. Coulthard 19
8. Räikkönen 18
9. Sato 15
10. Fisichella 13
11. R. Schumacher 12
12. Webber 7
=13. Massa 5
=13. Panis 5
=15. da Matta 3
=15. Heidfeld 3
=17. Glock 2
=17. Pizzonia 2
19. Baumgartner 1

[duffless89]

Webber will sign for Williams any day now. Just like someone other than me will write stuff in this thread any day now.

[Rekart]

Don't count on it.

[duffless89]

:LOL:

[duffless89]

IT'S OFFICIAL!! Webber to drive a Williams in 2005.

[Rekart]

And Fisi to drive the Renault.

[duffless89]

And Jarno for Toyota.

[KrustyKomedyKlasic]

And Michael for Ferrari :laugh:

[duffless89]

We have nothing else to talk about until Hungary.

[KrustyKomedyKlasic]

Do you play at minardif1.org? I'm lnfurRacing. We could talk about how F1 hasn't gotten any new teams in a while. Bring on lamborghini!!

[Rekart]

He's Shawn at MF1.

Lamborghini probably won't make an F1 team until they don't have to pay that dumbass entry fee ($48 million).

[KrustyKomedyKlasic]

Wow... 48 million... there goes all your engine money.

[duffless89]

Formula 1 is becoming ridiculously expensive. Here's a list of teams that have hit the wall since.... say 1992.

Coloni/Andrea Moda
Brabham
Lola (Scuderia Italia)
Lotus
Larrousse
Simtek
Pacific
Forti
Lola (again)
Ligier/Prost
Arrows

Sad, isn't it?

[mohammed jafar]

i think toyota will probably dissaude manufacturers from starting a new f1 team from scratch, at least for a while. i think most new entrants will go the route of renault and buy an existing team.

however several team bosses in lower formulas (the guy who runs the arden f3000 team for instance) have said they would consider entering f1 if the proposed cost cutting measures are put into place. if they could buy last seasons' cars, for example.

coloni and andrea moda were separate teams, btw. andrea moda bought coloni's stuff from the previous season, but they weren't the same team - which is why they were made to pay the new team fee. and scuderia italia merged with minardi, they didn't go bankrupt

[Rekart]

da Matta is out at Toyota, and Zonta is in for the remainder of the season.

[duffless89]

Whoa, didn't see that coming. Why?

[mohammed jafar]

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_16792.shtml

what they're doing makes sense, i guess. shame for da matta though

also, whoa - http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_16823.shtml

[Rekart]

I want to see a brawl in the pit lane. Richards on Button. Watch it Button, he'll kick your ass.

I don't like Button anymore. Dumbass. Williams can go to hell. Fire him and rehire him my ass. Fuck them.

[mohammed jafar]

i've certainly lost a lot of respect for him with the way he's orchestrated this move. david richards isn't the most ethical of businessmen but the rest of the BAR staff don't deserve this. I also think it's pretty stupid. BAR are definitely on an upswing, and Button was basically having a team built around him. Whereas at Williams they treat the drivers as disposable parts, and put each on an equal footing. They also aren't entirely assured of success in the future, especially with Sam Michaels. Hasn't Button learned anything from the way MS and Ferrari do things?

though it is very interesting. who will drive for BAR in Hungary? Davidson? and mika for BAR next year possibly? anyway there are some very interesting driver lineups next year that I can't wait to see.

[duffless89]

Here's my possible teams for 2005. Now, I'd have to rely on stuff that's not gonna happen for this to work.

Ferrari: Michael Schumacher/Rubens Barrichello
Williams: Mark Webber/Jenson Button
McLaren: Juan Pablo Montoya/Kimi Raikkonen
Renault: Jarno Trulli/Fernando Alonso
BAR: Takuma Sato/Anthony Davidson
Sauber: Giancarlo Fisichella/David Coulthard
Jaguar: Christian Klien/Vitantonio Liuzzi
Toyota: Ralf Schumacher/Cristiano da Matta
Jordan: Nick Heidfeld/Felipe Massa
Minardi: Giorgio Pantano/Enrico Toccacelo...

I predicted it! I am da man!

[Rekart]

Although, seeing as Taku is my favorite driver, I like this for the fact that he will almost automatically get a starting job there next season.

Also, has anyone noticed how the F1 "silly season" started really, really early this season? Montoya started it when he announced that he was going to McLaren next season. Then DC knew he was out of a ride. Then it was obvious that Ralf would be leaving Williams as well, and Williams knew they would need 2 new drivers, and it was known almost right then that Webber would be going there. In the meantime, Toyota was talking Ralf and hired him, then Trulli was fired at Renault and Toyota picked him up. Panis and da Matta knew they were gone for the next season. Toyota knew that too, and seeing no results, canned da Matta and put onta in the seat. Fisi also moved to Renault, of course, but that was a natural progression.

[mohammed jafar]

hopefully for the rest of the season jenson will be given taku's exploding BAR :D

[duffless89]

It's wrong, eh? He could lose his superlicense.

[duffless89]

Bump.

Results soon, sorry about the delay.

[duffless89]

Round 13 - Budapest, Hungary - 15/08/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/1694758904__hun_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1278246390__f1_helmet_alonso.gif Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault

4th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
5th Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
6th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
7th Antonio Pizzonia (BRZ) Williams
8th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
9th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
10th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
11th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
12th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
13th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
14th Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi
15th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi


DNF:

Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
Ricardo Zonta (BRZ) Toyota


Standings (after Round 13)
1. M. Schumacher 120
2. Barrichello 82
3. Button 65
4. Trulli 46
5. Alonso 45
6. Montoya 38
7. Coulthard 19
=8. Räikkönen 18
=8. Sato 18
10. Fisichella 14
11. R. Schumacher 12
12. Webber 7
=13. Massa 5
=13. Panis 5
15. Pizzonia 4
=16. da Matta 3
=16. Heidfeld 3
18. Glock 2
19. Baumgartner 1

[duffless89]

*tumbleweeds*

[duffless89]

:o|

[Rekart]

Be quiet and post osme results from Spa.

[duffless89]

:D

Round 14 - Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 29/08/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/681097150__bel_flag.jpg

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/679952844__f1_helmet_raikonnen.gif Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari

4th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
5th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
6th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
7th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
8th Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
9th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
10th Ricardo Zonta (BRZ) Toyota
11th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan

DNF:

Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
Antonio Pizzonia (BRZ) Williams
Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi
Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi

Standings (after Round 14)
1. M. Schumacher 128 **World Champion**
2. Barrichello 88
3. Button 65
4. Trulli 46
5. Alonso 45
6. Montoya 38
7. Räikkönen 28
8. Coulthard 21
=9. Sato 18
=9. Fisichella 18
11. R. Schumacher 12
12. Massa 10
13. Webber 7
14. Panis 6
15. Pizzonia 4
=16. Klien 3
=16. da Matta 3
=16. Heidfeld 3
19. Glock 2
20. Baumgartner 1

Another thing, I just had to write a crazy caption about this pic...

http://www.formula1.com/photos/270x240/tvimages/2004/belgian/sunpic11.jpg

Spa-Francorchamps Parking Lot: Maximum 3 wheels to enter.

[mohammed jafar]

one of the better races this season. despite all the crashing and subsequent debris ruining people's races, it was nice to see drivers fighting on the track for a change rather than in the pitstops. great drive by kimi. real shame for pizzonia though

[duffless89]

Zonta was doing well too. The 4th place he (probably) would have got would have been Toyota's best ever finish.

[Rekart]

Minardi signs a deal to use the same engines as Jag next year! WOOOOOO!!!

Watch your ass Jordan!

[duffless89]

I've been thinking, should Motor Racing be part of the Olympics? I'd like some opinions.

[Rekart]

No.

Makes no sense. Seasons are in the middle, too dangerous, based too much on luck, etc.

[duffless89]

Oh. OK. I thought that if they made it into a somewhat generic formula (chassis, engine, tyres, no aids, etc.), it would place the emphasis on driver skill, not machinery.

[Rekart]

Not possible.

First, there wouldn't be enough countries with a good enough driver. What type of cars would they drive? F1, Indy, CART, Nascar, WRC... Don't say all of them, that's not practical. To involve all of them would be too much.

Who would provide the cars? Who would sponsor them and give them gas a tires for free?

[duffless89]

Alright then, bugger it.

[duffless89]

Monza is coming...

[mohammed jafar]

Seasons are in the middle,

would only require a week's break, which wouldn't be a problem.

too dangerous,

that doesn't really have anything to do with it. showjumping kills far more people than motorsport does every year. boxers are almost guaranteed brain damage.

based too much on luck, etc.

not any more than anything involving bicycles or boats or horses.

and when many olympic sports are based entirely on the OPINIONS of certain experts, i don't think a little bit of luck is a problem.

First, there wouldn't be enough countries with a good enough driver.

every olympic sport has a certain amount of eventual bias towards one region or a set of countries. shit, the whole winter olympics excludes 90% of the planet. and really the only places that have no circuit-based motorsport setup are africa and the middle east.

What type of cars would they drive? F1, Indy, CART, Nascar, WRC... Don't say all of them, that's not practical. To involve all of them would be too much.

formula ford. total emphasis on the driver, and cheap.

wrc drivers wouldn't get in, as this would be an actual race, not a time trial.

Who would provide the cars? Who would sponsor them and give them gas a tires for free?

the ruling federations and the drivers. if it was only formula ford it wouldn't be that much (comparatively). not any more than building a cycling velodrome anyway

[duffless89]

Thanks for the support, but don't forget that there are circuits in South Africa (Kyalami & that place where MotoGP goes) & the Middle East (Bahrain, Qatar) now.

[Rekart]

Rally drivers are the best in the world. BEST in the world.

ANd, I think F1 drivers are some of the worst. Their cars handle nearly perfect and they have traction control, and they can change things from inside the car (brake bias, etc.)

[duffless89]

Well, rally can be in the Olympics too, as another division of motor racing. Much like what mountain biking is to cycling.

[mohammed jafar]

Rally drivers are the best in the world. BEST in the world.

they are the best at being rally drivers. rally driving is a very different discipline to circuit racing. I don't think i need to spell out the differences, do I?

remember, colin mcrae was really shitty at le mans and he was only driving a sportscar, not a purpose-built race car. mika hakkinen was very mediocre when he tried his hand at rallying.

ANd, I think F1 drivers are some of the worst. Their cars handle nearly perfect and they have traction control, and they can change things from inside the car (brake bias, etc.)

but....those drivers are there BECAUSE they are the best drivers in the world. noone goes to cart or touring cars instead of F1 because there's more emphasis on the driver. in the lower formulas everything is geared towards getting into F1, so the people that are most successful there get into F1 (or that's the way it's supposed to work, anyway - HI ZSOLT BAUMGARTNER). and it doesn't matter how easy the cars are to drive out the box, the skill is in getting the most of whatever machinery you have, in finding the limit.

[Rekart]

remember, colin mcrae was really shitty at le mans and he was only driving a sportscar, not a purpose-built race car. mika hakkinen was very mediocre when he tried his hand at rallying.



It was his first time racing on a track and the other drivers weren't doing much better with his car. Put F1 drivers in a rally car and see what happens. Hakkinen was worse than mediocre.

[mohammed jafar]

It was his first time racing on a track

so you admit circuit racing takes practice and a different set of skills, otherwise colin would have been adept automatically.

and the other drivers weren't doing much better with his car.

it's the best car in the field, and they did far better. colin mcrae spun about five times, went pretty damn slow, and broke something that needed to be repaired, but they still finished third.

Hakkinen was worse than mediocre.

i was actually just pointing out a reverse of colin mcrae, showing that each way is not an easy transition, but.....not really. in his first event, for a private team, he finished 29th (out of about 70 finishing cars) after climbing from 46th after a puncture. which isn't too bad at all. ayrton senna tested rally cars in the eighties and was reported to be very, very fast. and henri toivonen, ridiculously fast rally driver from the eighties, was a failed F3 driver. mattias ekstrom, from the dtm series, has been rallying recently and has been very successful.

i don't know what you're saying here anyway, if F3 and eighties F1 cars are "difficult to drive" in your book or whatever. yes, F1 cars are easy to drive, but a) most of the skill is in finding the limit, not just driving the thing from a to b, b) the rest of the skill is in racecraft, something rally drivers have no conception of, and c) the drivers that are in F1 are in F1 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BEST.

[Rekart]

The F1 drivers now are not the same as the F1 drivers in the 80's, now are they?

Nascar, rally, motorcycle, endurance, IRL are all better drivers. ALL.

[duffless89]

What I was going to do was have the best from F1, IRL, CART, F3000, F3, etc.

[mohammed jafar]

The F1 drivers now are not the same as the F1 drivers in the 80's, now are they?

the cars are different. but i'm pretty sure, for example, that juan montoya or kimi raikkonen would be able to match elio de angelis or michele alboreto (1984 3rd and 4th) in a straight fight in the same car. and MS frequently gave both Senna and Prost a run for their money, always in a far inferior car, in 92 and 93 (and he is a far better driver overall now than he was then). i'll say it yet again - it's about getting the most out of your car, about finding the limit. not about how difficult the car is to drive. if the latter were the case, zsolt baumgartner and gianmaria bruni would be the most talented drivers on the F1 grid.


Nascar, rally, motorcycle, endurance, IRL are all better drivers. ALL.

WHY?

i'm very confused as to what you're using as your criteria for who is "better". it seems that, among other anomalies, that if all the many, many failed single seater drivers in endurance racing hadn't sucked in lower formulas and had gotten into F1, they would now be "worse" drivers in your opinion. and btw, driving nascars, rally cars and sportscars (not driving them well, just driving them) is not difficult which is why there is a massive amount of untrained part-time amateurs that compete in each.

[Rekart]

Nascar: Not a lot of untrained part-time drivers in the actual major Nascar series. Not many in the others, either, just teams who don't have enough money to have cars. The drivers still aren't bad. Sportscars: Lot's of people just race them as a hobby, yes. I'd like to do that if I can't race competitively. Rally cars: You've still got to be skilled to drive a rally car, at the front or not. if you couldn't drive, you'd kill yourself.

I personally think Bruni is one of the most talented drivers in F1. Zsolt isn't, he's the second or third least talented in F1. He pushes the car and the car breaks instead of going faster. You may say: "Well why doesn't he just adapt and not push so hard?" Well, then he would be Zsolt. The problem is, Zsolt IS pushing as hard as he can.

[duffless89]

Results later today.





How the f**k did Michael Schumacher spin, end up 15th at the end of the 1st lap, & STILL COME 2ND?!

[Rekart]

AHH! I'm on fire!

[Voodoo Monkey]

Jacques Villeneuve to possibly race for Renault for this rest of the year, and signs with Sauber for 2005 and 2006.

Voodoo Monkey is happy.

[Rekart]

Who would he replace at Renault? Trulli? I find that hard to believe, although Jarno has been unhappy lately and is out the door at the end of the year, anyways.

Villeneuve is a washed-up loud mouth. F1 doesn't need him.

[mohammed jafar]

believe it.

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_17304.shtml

[Rekart]

I knew it was true, I just find it hard to believe they'd do that.

[duffless89]

I don't believe it.

And, about the Monza results, I won't be able to post them for a while, because of exams. Sorry.

[Rekart]

Jaguar is GONE after this season.

This explains the lack of speculation on their driver line-up for next season.

[duffless89]

And I'm gone for two weeks (school holidays), so no Italy, China & Japan results until then. Sorry.

[duffless89]

FINALLY!!

Round 15 - Monza, Italy - 12/09/04 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/894726038__ita_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1801606829__f1_helmet_barrichello.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/1809297389__f1_helmetm_schum.gif Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/958746658__f1_helmet_button.gif Jenson Button (GBR) BAR

4th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
5th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) Williams
6th David Coulthard (GBR) McLaren
7th Antonio Pizzonia (BRZ) Williams
8th Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Sauber
9th Mark Webber (AUS) Jaguar
10th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Renault
11th Ricardo Zonta (BRZ) Toyota
12th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
13th Christian Klien (AUT) Jaguar
14th Nick Heidfeld (GER) Jordan
15th Zsolt Baumgartner (HUN) Minardi

DNF:

Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) McLaren
Olivier Panis (FRA) Toyota
Giorgio Pantano (ITA) Jordan
Gianmaria Bruni (ITA) Minardi
Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault

Standings (after Round 15)
1. M. Schumacher 136 **World Champion**
2. Barrichello 98
3. Button 71
4. Trulli 46
5. Alonso 45
6. Montoya 43
7. Räikkönen 28
8. Coulthard 24
9. Sato 23
10. Fisichella 19
11. R. Schumacher 12
12. Massa 10
13. Webber 7
=14. Panis 6
=14. Pizzonia 6
=16. Klien 3
=16. da Matta 3
=16. Heidfeld 3
19. Glock 2
20. Baumgartner 1

[duffless89]

Many apologies about the results, but that's mainly because I have simply lost interest in this thread.

[Rekart]

Hasn't everyone?

I mean, I even changed my screenname. The season is boring, there's a possibility of a short grid or 3-car teams next season. F1 is going downhill.

[duffless89]

Just for the sake of it, the 2004 season is now officially closed.






















*tumbleweeds*

[Rekart]

That needed an announcement? We all already knew it. It's basically been closed for months.

So you all next season.

[Cogito, Ergo Sum]

Schumacher made it all too monotonous


(Motoya won!!! Yes)

[duffless89]

So...um... what are your opinions on this A1 GP thing? I heard that there is going to be an Australian team.

[Rekart]

What's the "A1 GP" thing?

Stoddart says that the Cosworth deal is 90% done. I assume he has some inside sources, since Minardi use Cosworth.

[duffless89]

This might answer your questions, Rekart. (http://www.a1gp.com)

[Rekart]

So, basically, a racing series that has teams from certain countries that represent their country?

I don't know, but that is one awesome fucking car.

EDIT: No, a franchise league. You own a franchise team, like a McDonald's.

[duffless89]

And, I've just joined your forum.

[Rekart]

Ok, BIG news day:

Jaguar sold to Red Bull, as expected.

Cosworth sold to Forsythe and Kalkhoven, two of the owners of CART. Will stay in F1 providing the new engines to Red Bull and MINARDI (fuckin' aye!)

Jordan signed a deal for engines with Toyota.

This is the best day in F1 in years. The field will be CLOSE again, with all good engines and new cars. There is even hope for Minardi, with a brand new engine and car. I predict and 8th place in the constructors championship, over Jordan and someone else.

[duffless89]

:D F1 is still alive!

[duffless89]

*tumbleweeds*(I knew it would be like this in the off-season)

[mohammed jafar]

from testing it looks like sauber will be the bar of 2005. either massa or jv on top on most of the testing sessions so far. unless they're just testing less 2005 spec shit than the other teams but i don't see why they would be doing that.

There is even hope for Minardi, with a brand new engine and car. I predict and 8th place in the constructors championship, over Jordan and someone else.

are you insane?

[Spartan]

jesus minardi. 8th place?

[duffless89]

It's not impossible. Nothing's impossible in the off-season. Also, there are new teams coming in 2006, thanks to customer chassis rules. Who says they might suck?

Coulthard is favourite to get a Red Bull (Jaguar) seat. Good for him. It would suck to see his career end just because he couldn't find a drive.

[duffless89]

My above statement is confirmed. Also...

A. Red Bull Driver 2 is either Liuzzi or Klien.
B. Christijan Albers to drive for Minardi.
C. Michael Schumacher pledges over $10 million dollars to tsunami victims.

[Rekart]

A. Klien deserves the seat.
B. Yes, I don't have great expectations for him.
C. That really is great.

[duffless89]

Here's the 2005 Entry List so far (for anyone who cares)

Ferrari: 1 - Michael Schumacher
2 - Rubens Barrichello
BAR: 3 - Jenson Button
4 - Takuma Sato
Renault: 5 - Fernando Alonso
6 - Giancarlo Fisichella
Williams: 7 - Mark Webber
8 - Nick Heidfeld
McLaren: 9 - Kimi Raikkonen
10 - Juan Pablo Montoya
Sauber: 11 - Jacques Villeneuve
12 - Felipe Massa
Red Bull: 14 - David Coulthard
15 - Vitantonio Liuzzi or Christian Klien*
Toyota: 16 - Ralf Schumacher
17 - Jarno Trulli
Jordan: 18 - Tiago Montiero
19 - Narain Karthikeyan
Minardi: 20 - Christijan Albers
21 - ???

* - To be confirmed

[duffless89]

As you may have noticed, Nick Heidfeld has been confirmed as a Williams driver. Will he do a Rosberg and win the championship after a few years in dodgy drives?

[mohammed jafar]

B. Yes, I don't have great expectations for him.


whaaat. you're seriously confusing. albers is seriously quick and you don't have great expectations. yet last year you were jizzing all over gianmaria bruni and zsolt baumgartner

[Spartan]

it's a moot point. if minardi gets a podium finish with albers...ever...or with anyone again, I'll eat my hat.

[Rekart]

whaaat. you're seriously confusing. albers is seriously quick and you don't have great expectations. yet last year you were jizzing all over gianmaria bruni and zsolt baumgartner

Only Bruni. Anyone who knows what they're talking about knows that I seriously dislike Zsolt. But, when it seems as if Kiesa will be our second driver, I'd rather have Zsolt than him. Bruni will be back in F1. He'll prove himself nicely in GP2 (F3000, basically) this year.

Heidfeld deserves it. I've considered switching Raikkonen to my first driver and Heidfeld to second, as Honda is having serious engine problems.

[mohammed jafar]

jordan drivers to be narain karthikeyan (99% certain) and tiago monteiro (very likely). both quick, karthikeyan very much so, so this is good news

and minardi, for some reason, signed very slow israeli guy chanock nissany as their test driver.

[Rekart]

Tester last year was Bas Leinders, and Monteiro was on the team in some capactiy. The fact is, the drivers for Minardi are all young, so they get most of the testing anyways. Nissany will be the friday tester, I guess.

I don't like Monteiro. He's not that quick, and I don't know where everyone gets that idea from. He'll spend one year in F1. Glock deserves and should get the seat. I don't know of Karthikeyan.

[mohammed jafar]

I don't like Monteiro. He's not that quick, and I don't know where everyone gets that idea from.

well, he has a good record in lower series, much better than gianmaria bruni's at least. did quite well in f3 and the nissan world series and stuff (finished second in the latter). deserves his chance.

[Rekart]

Also, you're right. Today, Jordan announced both of them officially.

[duffless89]

Only 2 seats left for 2005.

[mohammed jafar]

no seats left now(other than the red bull one which is likely to be shared anyway).

kinda-sorta-alright-but-not-really-i-guess zit-ridden austrian dude patrick friesacher has signed for minardi next year. meh. prepare for rekart to hype him as the next senna ;)

[Spartan]

wait, the second red bull ride is going to be shared?

[mohammed jafar]

quite likely to be, yeah. to give both of them experience.

[Rekart]

In other news, all teams have signed to let Minardi race thier old car the first three races except Ferrari. Mosley says if they come with the old one without Ferrari's signature, then they can't race. If they can't race though, there will be no race, because the Concorde Agreement states that there must be 20 cars to race.

My new sig addresses this issue. Some of my best work.

[duffless89]

One seat at Red Bull for 2005 remains. Austria's Patrick Friesacher signed with Minardi.

The Formula 1 fans have no respect for Ferrari anymore. And as a leading F1 fan/expert in the NHC, I think I speak for everyone when I say, Ferrari can rot in hell. I'll be glad if anyone, anyone (preferably Webber), sends the Prancing Horse back to Italy with it's tail between it's legs and steals Michael's title (no disrespect to him, he's a legend, but he's had it long enough).

[The lesson is never try]

michael is a legend, but you have to take into account that he has the best car, how would he do in another car, not made by ferrari?

[mohammed jafar]

he might win the title twice in a row, perhaps?

[Rekart]

And as a leading F1 fan/expert in the NHC,

Hey now, don't get too cocky there :snooty:. But seriously, I agree with the rest of your post.

[mohammed jafar]

klien confirmed to race for red bull in melbourne, though he is not in any way confirmed for the whole season as some sites seem to be reporting.

[duffless89]

This is confirmed, Sauber will be using BMW engines from 2006.

[Rekart]

From one of the best to another one of the best, but will it make a difference in their performance?

[mohammed jafar]

interesting to look at the final testing standings for the whole off-season period. gives you a hint as to what might be the running order in melbourne. didnt put drivers in as its not really relevant and there's a lot of test drivers anyway.

barcelona -

renault
renault
toyota
mclaren
ferrari
ferrari
red bull
red bull
mclaren
mclaren
ferrari
williams
red bull
williams
jordan
sauber
(no bar or minardi)

valencia -

mclaren
mclaren
mclaren
red bull
williams
renault
williams
williams
renault
toyota
ferrari
red bull
renault
bar
bar
ferrari
toyota
bar
toyota
sauber
etc....

jerez -

bar
renault
mclaren
mclaren
williams
mclaren
renault
ferrari
toyota
williams
toyota
red bull
williams
sauber
red bull
ferrari
renault
red bull
bar
etc....

so if testing doesn't lie (which it certainly can do) it will be mostly a ferrari/renault/mclaren race this year, with occasional interjections by williams, red bull and toyota (and possibly bar).

[Rekart]

I don't trust F1 testing times. I'd rather just wait and see what happens, because these times always seem to be wrong. Also, with the two race engine rule, who knows what teams will have trouble in the second race a lot and who won't.

[duffless89]

Did any of you see Mark Webber on the Harbour Bridge the other day (Obviously on TV, coz you guys don't live in Australia)?

[duffless89]

Formula 1 is go for 2005!

Round 1 - Melbourne, Australia - 06/03/05 http://www.fia.com/resources/images/2147374592__aus_flag.gif

1sthttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/2147374709__fisi.gif Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Renault [2nd Career Win]
2ndhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/2147374703__barri.gif Rubens Barrichello (BRZ) Ferrari
3rdhttp://www.fia.com/resources/images/2147374708__alonso.gif Fernando Alonso (ESP) Renault

4th David Coulthard (GBR) Red Bull
5th Mark Webber (AUS) Williams
6th Juan Pablo Montoya (COL) McLaren
7th Christian Klien (AUT) Red Bull
8th Kimi Raikkonen (FIN) McLaren
9th Jarno Trulli (ITA) Toyota
10th Felipe Massa (BRZ) Sauber
11th Jenson Button (GBR) BAR
12th Ralf Schumacher (GER) Toyota
13th Jacques Villeneuve (CAN) Sauber
14th Takuma Sato (JPN) BAR
15th Narain Karthikeyan (IND) Jordan
16th Tiago Montiero (POR) Jordan
17th Patrick Friesacher (AUT) Minardi

DNF:
Michael Schumacher (GER) Ferrari
Nick Heidfeld (GER) Williams
Christijan Albers (NED) Minardi

Driver Standings (after Round 1)
1. Fisichella 10
2. Barrichello 8
3. Alonso 6
4. Coulthard 5
5. Webber 4
6. Montoya 3
7. Klien 2
8. Raikkonen 1

Constructors Standings (after Round 1)
1. Renault 16
2. Ferrari 8
3. Red Bull 7
=4. Williams 4
=4. McLaren 4

[Voodoo Monkey]

Come on, Jacques...

[dj]

I tried to stay up and watch but i couldnt, got too tired so i went to bed.