Rate & Review: "The Great Louse Detective" (EABF01) [Archive]

NoOneFamous

12-15-2002, 05:35 PM

What I have to say about this episode pretty much applies to every episode as of late: The premise of the episode isn't bad, the plot is decent, and there are some funny, classic moments, but too much of it is spoiled by things such as out of place sex jokes (or any sex joke in general), or any other joke or comment that makes you think "wtf?" or cringe. Case in point, the entire opening was loaded with this gross shit: Wolfcastle's wang, the Yes guy getting aroused by Marge's hair, some disgusting Homer scenes (all wrinkled, grabbing his fat collar, etc). Its this kind of crap that ruins the episodes for me. Well, that, and when they overkill a joke that wasn't funny to begin with, such as Sideshow Bob getting shocked.

The rest of the episode was pretty good stuff. The premise of this episode was actually pretty creative, IMO: Sideshow Bob actually helping the Simpsons. I enjoyed the old refferences, but they seem to try to hard to make reference to old episodes in every new episode, almost like "hey! Remember when the show kicked ass?" I thought it was odd that Marge mentioned Frank Grimes in the beginning, and it was cool that his son was the killer. But they should have ended the episode there, instead of stretching out that horrible musical scene, and they should not have begun with the needlessly long, horrible spa segment. For example, it should have begun with Homer having a normal day, and someone trying to kill him as he leaves work or something.

I just hate how they feel the need to shock and surprise the audience with a crude comment, image, or something as much as they can. If they didn't do that, I'd like the new episodes so much more.

3/5, 2 points off for the spa segment, lame ending, and crude, stupid jokes.

Mr. Plow

12-15-2002, 05:35 PM

Very funny episode. The killer was noticeable when first introduced, though I wouldnt have guessed who his father was. A great song and ending. Overall, a 4/5.

nowhere

12-15-2002, 05:36 PM

Very bad. Maybe better than "Day of the Jackanapes", but it's close. Almost none of the jokes in the first act worked. Sideshow Bob wasn't horrible, but he wasn't good. I got sick of the shocking really quick.

The very end seemed like it wasn't supposed to belong. Like they finished writing the episode and realized that they still had an extra couple of minutes to add on. So they added on a crappy song.

2/5

gravymaster

12-15-2002, 05:36 PM

4 out of 5

I absolutely loved this episode. Sideshow Bob is one of my favorite characters, and this episode was full of laughs.

Some good points:

- Carl's Drunken Rambling: "I feel like I gotta throw up. Ever get that feeling beautiful??"
- The Stilt race
- Duffman!!!
- Moe's jar

Once again a great episode.

kevin

12-15-2002, 05:36 PM

Season 14: THOH XIII- C
Strummer- D+
Third Grade- B+
Large Marge- C
Helter- D
Louse- A

season- C

TheRabidmoose

12-15-2002, 05:36 PM

I thought it was average with a good memorable scene between Apu and Bob. The coach gag was pretty good too but overall very forgettable.

Rob G

12-15-2002, 05:37 PM

I liked the ending and the old references. Not much else.

I guess Bob can't bring himself to kill Bart anymore

Blue Phoenix

12-15-2002, 05:38 PM

3/5

Too many jokes imo. They had plenty of humor and could have limited it alot of the gags were overkill. Still a pretty good episode the show seems to be getting more grounded then it has been in recent years.

lisa_the_greek

12-15-2002, 05:38 PM

4.5/5. Just wonderfully done from being to end. WAY better than "Helter Shelter". Great to have Kelsey Grammer back, awesome song at the end, hilarious jokes...

I really liked it.

About the digital animation... It looked fine. I didn't notice any differences thankfully. Still, I'm against the *principle* of digital animation, but it looked fine.

Urts

12-15-2002, 05:38 PM

What an odd episode. Much of it felt like a big missed opportunity, but there were some redeeming moments and jokes. The entire spa scene was awful, and the mystery was far too predictable. Still, I enjoyed the ending for some strange reason.

Not the best of the season, but better than "Jackanapes".

3/5

brentholomew

12-15-2002, 05:39 PM

4/5. Some funny jokes, I knew it would be someone connected Frank Grimes because
1. The Auto Mechanic really looked like him
2. As soon as it was revealed to be the mechanic it just had to be

doyle

12-15-2002, 05:40 PM

i think the ending should have been bob announcing what his part in the prison musical would be

Rob G

12-15-2002, 05:40 PM

What did everyone think of the computer animation? It looked OK... somethings looked wierd (Homer kinda moved wierd at some points)

Simpson Purist

12-15-2002, 05:42 PM

8/10, pretty darn good episode following the abysmal Helter Shelter

Pros

-Lisa's California Adventure remark
-Lisa mistaking Bumblebee Man as the killer
-Frank Grimes Jr.
-The musical number
-"Oh yeah!", the return of Duffman

Cons

-The shocking was funny a couple of times, but the final gag with the birds is beyond stupid
-The YES guy getting a "blue hair" enema
-How did Sideshow Bob escape after being tranquilized by Wiggum?

kevin

12-15-2002, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Rob G
What did everyone think of the computer animation? It looked OK... somethings looked wierd (Homer kinda moved wierd at some points)

I really didn't notice the difference!

Moose of Doom!

12-15-2002, 05:43 PM

Wow.

Good- the Seuss parody, Moe's memories, the musical number, and the Swordfish museum.

Bad- Once I saw the mechanic and the way Homer treated him, I knew, I knew.

Ugly- Homer does the collar grab in a very, VERY disgusting way.

And two questions- A) So wait, Sideshow Bob is free now? Or did the police catch him while he was being shocked?

B) The credits said someone named Sally Stevens did additional voices. Who is she and what voices did she do?

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 05:43 PM

bartforever

12-15-2002, 05:44 PM

I loved the episode! One of the best episodes in the last few years!

nowhere

12-15-2002, 05:45 PM

A couple of extra points:

When the parade started, was I the only one hoping for a parody of the Zapruder film from the Kennedy assassination?

Why did they have a mardi gras king and queen at the same time as fall television?

kevin

12-15-2002, 05:45 PM

Bubble Crum

12-15-2002, 05:46 PM

Lisa sounded very weird while pointing out the swordfish museum, I'm guessing that was Sally Stevens, Yearderly Smith must have been out a day.

Handsome Pete

12-15-2002, 05:47 PM

Okay, I'm about to retch. Anyone want to join me?

I'll just come out and say that this was simply the worst episode of the season, if not one of the worst of all time. Terrible jokes, far too cartoony, and just all-around awful characterization. I mean, look at OFF: they were all shocking Bob for no good reason (which was a horrible running gag)! Only a few things were acceptable, such as Bob's usage of the cannon towards the end of the episode (considering how he used to do things like that on Krusty's show), as well as Bob himself, at least up until his musical number.

As for the change in animation, it was better than the attempt that Tennis the Menace made, but it still needs a little work. Faces, for instance, looking very bizarre in a few shots, particularly when Homer was talking to Chief Wiggum when "Junior" attempted to kill Homer the first time around.

I can't believe that episode was allowed on the air. Almost all my faith in the show has been lost...almost. There's still a little flicker in the back of my mind, but it's about to go out. During this episode, I was thinking of a quote from one Tom Servo during the course of this episode: "END! END!" Obviously, 1/5.

Simpson Purist

12-15-2002, 05:48 PM

Anyone else notice that Mike Scully is back as one of the producers?

What names were added/dropped off the producer list?

James

12-15-2002, 05:50 PM

I can't even put into words how I wasn't disgusted and wasn't horrified by this episode, but rather was disappointed in the Simpsons creators for creating this, as it goes so heavily against the spirit of the Simpsons. The bad qualities of this episode constitute a complete lack of spirit, wit, cleverness, depth, unconventionality, satire, and originality. More specifically, they were:
The characterizations were completely devoid of depth or humor. Many were but deranged or perverted representations of the classics (Police Chief Wiggum, Sideshow Bob).
The plot dragged, was incredibly typical, uninteresting, and obvious, lacked any clever or witty flourishes, and had no root in the characters. It was a contrived, random, boring plot. The execution of the plot was even worse: various comedic points were repeated too many times (Sideshow Bob following Homer through his daily life, Bob plotting to kill Bart).
There was no satire or societal commentary whatsoever, or hilarious jokes.
There was an air of sitcom-like normalcy: contrived plotting, uninspired, unfamiliar, regular characters, a lack of anything other than very obvious satire, and a deep sense of uninspiration.
Empty, devoid characterizations, dragging plots with little bounce or rhythm, and repetitive jokes too far interspersed.

I've noticed a pattern of this all season, culminating in this episode. It brings to mind the question: is complete and utter dullness, lack of complexity, wit, and depth, and an upsetting going against of the Simpsons' original charged, unique inspiration and satire better than wackiness? The Jean folks must think yes.

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Handsome Pete
Okay, I'm about to retch. Anyone want to join me?

I'll just come out and say that this was simply the worst episode of the season, if not one of the worst of all time. Terrible jokes, far too cartoony, and just all-around awful characterization. I mean, look at OFF: they were all shocking Bob for no good reason (which was a horrible running gag)! Only a few things were acceptable, such as Bob's usage of the cannon towards the end of the episode (considering how he used to do things like that on Krusty's show), as well as Bob himself, at least up until his musical number.

As for the change in animation, it was better than the attempt that Tennis the Menace made, but it still needs a little work. Faces, for instance, looking very bizarre in a few shots, particularly when Homer was talking to Chief Wiggum when "Junior" attempted to kill Homer the first time around.

I can't believe that episode was allowed on the air. Almost all my faith in the show has been lost...almost. There's still a little flicker in the back of my mind, but it's about to go out. During this episode, I was thinking of a quote from one Tom Servo during the course of this episode: "END! END!" Obviously, 1/5.

You my friend are wrong ! Take your ball and go home. If you didn't think this was funny then you obviosly haven't been a fan of the show from the beginning. GET OFF THE BAND WAGON PAL !!! This episode was gold.

mintjellyonthelam

12-15-2002, 05:52 PM

4/5

Very good. A little too far out there at points but I think the pros way outnumbered the cons. Great Ending in My own opinion (but hey , I liked the hose ending too)
Best Parts
The Turtles
George Foreman
Moe's Jar
Duffman
Apu and Bob's convo
Swordfish museum

Bad: The fact an unknown character was trying to kill Homer

Split:
The very mean spirited little fat dixie chick. It was funny but very mean and un simpson like-more like a Bender joke

Simpson Purist

12-15-2002, 05:53 PM

Its called opinions, let Handsome Pete have his say, no need to use an argument ad hominem.

doyle

12-15-2002, 05:53 PM

i think mine falls in between those 2 opinions mentioned above by datoupee

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by James
I can't even put into words how I wasn't disgusted and wasn't horrified by this episode, but rather was disappointed in the Simpsons creators for creating this, as it goes so heavily against the spirit of the Simpsons. The bad qualities of this episode constitute a complete lack of spirit, wit, cleverness, depth, unconventionality, satire, and originality. More specifically, they were:
The characterizations were completely devoid of depth or humor. Many were but deranged or perverted representations of the classics (Police Chief Wiggum, Sideshow Bob).
The plot dragged, was incredibly typical, uninteresting, and obvious, lacked any clever or witty flourishes, and had no root in the characters. It was a contrived, random, boring plot. The execution of the plot was even worse: various comedic points were repeated too many times (Sideshow Bob following Homer through his daily life, Bob plotting to kill Bart).
There was no satire or societal commentary whatsoever, or hilarious jokes.
There was an air of sitcom-like normalcy: contrived plotting, uninspired, unfamiliar, regular characters, a lack of anything other than very obvious satire, and a deep sense of uninspiration.
Empty, devoid characterizations, dragging plots with little bounce or rhythm, and repetitive jokes too far interspersed.

I've noticed a pattern of this all season, culminating in this episode. It brings to mind the question: is complete and utter dullness, lack of complexity, wit, and depth, and an upsetting going against of the Simpsons' original charged, unique inspiration and satire better than wackiness? The Jean folks must think yes.

You need to start watching the show for enjoyment purposes because you seem to watch it only to find things to complain about. No one is forcing you to watch it. The show was great and this season is great STOP COMPLAINING !!!

James

12-15-2002, 05:54 PM

Eddie

12-15-2002, 05:55 PM

2.5/5. I thought it was okay. There was some good humor, but some of the animation was off, and while the idea of Frank Grimes Jr. was interesting...it was actually sort of dumb. And the last little song was completely unneccesary. This is the worst Sideshow Bob episode so far. And the second worst episode of Season Fourteen. :(

Simpson Purist

12-15-2002, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee

You need to start watching the show for enjoyment purposes because you seem to watch it only to find things to complain about. No one is forcing you to watch it. The show was great and this season is great STOP COMPLAINING !!!

*sigh* Jeez, I like the episode too, but there is no need to attack the people who didn't like it. Lets just calm down and get some fried chicken while we're at it.

kevin

12-15-2002, 05:56 PM

Now, now we dont want any arguments. Everyone has an opinion.

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by James

If you liked this episode in any major way, you don't even know what the show is supposed to be.

I know exactly what the show is supposed to be... and that is entertaining. And by all means this episode was. You have no valid arguement to say it was not good that is why I am prouncing on all the complainers on this board.

Blue Phoenix

12-15-2002, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee

I know exactly what the show is supposed to be... and that is entertaining. And by all means this episode was. You have no valid arguement to say it was not good that is why I am prouncing on all the complainers on this board.

They do have valid arguments you just don't want to hear them becaus your so sure your right.

James

12-15-2002, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee

I know exactly what the show is supposed to be... and that is entertaining. And by all means this episode was. You have no valid arguement to say it was not good that is why I am prouncing on all the complainers on this board.

I'm sorry, I was not entertained. And that was the most conspicuous part...this episode seemed like a bad, plodding situation comedy that was cancelled after two episodes.

bhlaab

12-15-2002, 05:59 PM

What's with all of the references to old episodes this season? Capital City, Stampy the Elephant, Frank Grimes...

References to a great episode doesn't make it a good episode.

Dennis

12-15-2002, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee

You need to start watching the show for enjoyment purposes because you seem to watch it only to find things to complain about. No one is forcing you to watch it. The show was great and this season is great STOP COMPLAINING !!!

I completely agree. Except for the season being great...which it isnt. I just agree about James watching the show just to find things to complain about. And no one is forcing you to watch it James. Anyway, I give it 3/5. It was pretty good up until the 3rd act. Then I really thought it was dumb. BTW, the new digital animation is really cool. Also, the song at the end was really unecessary and unfunny. The shocking Bob thing got old too.

NoOneFamous

12-15-2002, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by James

If you liked this episode in any major way, you don't even know what the show is supposed to be.

Thank you James. Though I don't think it was terrible, let people have their damn opinions, Datoupe. Their arguement as to why its not good is perfectly valid, if its their opinion.

Simpson Purist

12-15-2002, 06:00 PM

This thread is slowly but surely collapsing into FOX board territory.

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Blue Phoenix

They do have valid arguments you just don't want to hear them becaus your so sure your right.

I know that their points are valid and should be taken into consideration as all good points are...BUT this was so good that I am POSITIVE that no TRUE fan could have not at least in some small way enjoyed it.

Handsome Pete

12-15-2002, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee

You my friend are wrong ! Take your ball and go home. If you didn't think this was funny then you obviosly haven't been a fan of the show from the beginning. GET OFF THE BAND WAGON PAL !!! This episode was gold.

Look, I can expect this type of behavior from a normal poster, but from a Global Moderator? It just seems unacceptable to me. You should be respectful of other peoples' opinions, and not to bash them just because you thought the episode was great. I don't want to start an argument out of this, but I would like you to think about what you're saying to people.

There always is the possiblity that I was a little harsh on this episode, and I respect your opinion and can see where you are getting it from, but I simply disagree with it. There is no need to get upset about it.

kevin

12-15-2002, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by bhlaab
What's with all of the references to old episodes this season? Capital City, Stampy the Elephant, Frank Grimes...

References to a great episode doesn't make it a good episode.

They are trying to please the classic episodes fans.

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Handsome Pete

Look, I can expect this type of behavior from a normal poster, but from a Global Moderator? It just seems unacceptable to me. You should be respectful of other peoples' opinions, and not to bash them just because you thought the episode was great. I don't want to start an argument out of this, but I would like you to think about what you're saying to people.

There always is the possiblity that I was a little harsh on this episode, and I respect your opinion and can see where you are getting it from, but I simply disagree with it. There is no need to get upset about it.

I agree that I get a little steamed over negative reviews and I need to calm down. If i have offended you then I am sorry. I just can't believe that someone can not have enjoyed this. How can you complain ? ok..enough already ... i am done posting for the night.

Blue Phoenix

12-15-2002, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee

I know that their points are valid and should be taken into consideration as all good points are...BUT this was so good that I am POSITIVE that no TRUE fan could have not at least in some small way enjoyed it.

Don't even start this 'true fan' BS it's the TV show equal to the completly stupid 'no true scottsman argument'.

NoOneFamous

12-15-2002, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by McStinkalot

They are trying to please the classic episodes fans.

I'm glad that they're trying, but if they really wanted to please us, they would actually write episodes that are the quality of the classics, not reference them. The way they are doing so many references to classic episodes lately just seems like a desperate attempt to remind us how good it once was.

On a side note, for some reason I found the Homer/Bob hang gliding scene hilarious!

Bob: THIS is normal?
Homer: I just wanted to impress you.

doyle

12-15-2002, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by McStinkalot

They are trying to please the classic episodes fans. works for me

irv

12-15-2002, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by James
I can't even put into words how I wasn't disgusted and wasn't horrified by this episode, but rather was disappointed in the Simpsons creators for creating this, as it goes so heavily against the spirit of the Simpsons. The bad qualities of this episode constitute a complete lack of spirit, wit, cleverness, depth, unconventionality, satire, and originality. More specifically, they were:

The characterizations were completely devoid of depth or humor. Many were but deranged or perverted representations of the classics (Police Chief Wiggum, Sideshow Bob).

The plot dragged, was incredibly typical, uninteresting, and obvious, lacked any clever or witty flourishes, and had no root in the characters. It was a contrived, random, boring plot. The execution of the plot was even worse: various comedic points were repeated too many times (Sideshow Bob following Homer through his daily life, Bob plotting to kill Bart).

There was no satire or societal commentary whatsoever, or hilarious jokes.

There was an air of sitcom-like normalcy: contrived plotting, uninspired, unfamiliar, regular characters, a lack of anything other than very obvious satire, and a deep sense of uninspiration.

Empty, devoid characterizations, dragging plots with little bounce or rhythm, and repetitive jokes too far interspersed.

I've noticed a pattern of this all season, culminating in this episode. It brings to mind the question: is complete and utter dullness, lack of complexity, wit, and depth, and an upsetting going against of the Simpsons' original charged, unique inspiration and satire better than wackiness? The Jean folks must think yes.
yes, but on that same token, you're also twelve years old.

Clarence

12-15-2002, 06:09 PM

That episode was awesome , except I knew 2 things before it showed them. I knew that guy getting a face lift was Kent Brockman , and I knew it was Frank Grimes Junior. But other then that , the animation was awesome , digital animation rules! 5/5 great.

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by jesus plays his hits

yes, but on that same token, you're also twelve years old.

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: GREATEST POST EVER ! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Simpson Purist

12-15-2002, 06:12 PM

The digital animation is okay, I couldn't tell the difference anyway, I did notice that the animation is a bit more fluid than usual, and that's a good thing.

Lets get back on-topic and argue about the merits of this episode and stop arguing about whose opinions are right or wrong.

Handsome Pete

12-15-2002, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by jesus plays his hits

yes, but on that same token, you're also twelve years old.

And he seems to be rather intelligent for a person of his age. I just gotta give him credit for that.

The attempts to please the veterans of the show aren't going as well as I'd thought they would. In all honesty, I thought it work better than it did this season. The references just don't seem to click for me.

As for that hang-gliding scene, I had completely forgotten about it when I wrote out my opinion on the episode. That was a pretty good joke, actually.

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Dark Lord Sauron
The digital animation is okay, I couldn't tell the difference anyway, I did notice that the animation is a bit more fluid than usual, and that's a good thing.

Lets get back on-topic and argue about the merits of this episode and stop arguing about whose opinions are right or wrong.

Agreed. No more arguments about who is right or wrong. All opinions are valid on the board. Let's keep episode content discussion here and the animation dicussion on a different thread found here...

DISCUSS THE NEW DIGITAL ANIMATON HERE (http://www.nohomers.net/showthread.php?threadid=19223)

Voodoo Monkey

12-15-2002, 06:17 PM

Not that great. The singing sucked, the museum of swordfish wasn't bad, Frank Grimes Jr. felt tacked on.

ShadowBun

12-15-2002, 06:18 PM

I liked it!

I found the plot very interesting; it grabbed me from the get-go...the Dr. Massuesse was very funny, though I could've lived without Homer staring at Ranier Wolfcastle's...er, yeah. I actually thought the spa scene after that was well done. I liked Lisa's Disneyland comment (and the family's response) and Wiggum's fork got a chuckle out of me. Bob's introduction was also good ("Hello, Bart").

The shocking made me smile a few times...I'm not sure if I found it that funny to take up that much airtime, but it was moderately varied, so it wasn't bad. For some reason, Moe's swinging door was the funniest part of the episode to me. I found the Homer doll and everyone attacking it really funny, especially Lovejoy! A few "meh" jokes peppered the act, though, taking away a small amount.

I thought the killer's revealing was well done, with the classic flashback parts; I also liked Bob's shooting himself out of the cannon to save Homer. Didn't Al Jean or someone say it was someone who was on the show before though? Decent musical number...I liked Bart's reactions. How will they handle Bob now though?

On the minus side, they should've referenced his "execution" at least...ah well. Also, I didn't really like the animation. When it showed the flashback to "Homer's Enemy," I thought that animation looked a lot better personally. Eh. Maybe it's just me...

4/5

Tomacco

12-15-2002, 06:18 PM

Wow, the earliest fight ever, and surprisingly Datoupee is its spawn. Well, I hope everyone calms down and respects each other's opinions. Now here's mine:

I think this episode could have worked just as well if Bob had been replaced by Wiggum, which would have made this the first Wiggum-heavy episode ever (that would be a good thing), and all the shocking gags would have been canned. Sideshow Bob didn't seem necessary really, and I didn't find his connection to the story strong enough. For example, I don't think there was a single scene where Bob was alone on screen. Every Bob episode in the past has had scenes with him doing soliloquy-esque routines.

Besides that, I thought the plotline was very effective in the episode, and I liked how there were just enough clues for the culprit not to seem unplanned and tacked on. Although, I was slightly upset that when my brother was watching the ep with me, he yelled out "it's Frank Grimes!" when the mechanic started talking. I honestly didn't notice, because my train of thought wasn't working that way, and other characters have had similar voices before (the bagboy in "Simpson Safari" for example), so I wouldn't have thought. When my brother said it, I said "Yeah, your right!" but cancelled out the idea that he could be the killer, cuz Frank died. I just assumed it was a coincidence that the guy looked like him.

Nevertheless, I actually really liked the choice of culprit.
The second act was the weakest in my opinion, because it featured the most shocking gags, and that was the one awful joke in the episode, that they just kept using for some reason. Also, it featured the Moe/egg jar joke which was long and weird. The spa scenes were fun, IMO, and I liked the creative twist of the collar grab. The third act Mardi Gras scenes were also fun and entertaining, and since I liked the culprit choice, it made it better. The song at the end was unnecessary in my opinion, mainly because Bob still trying to kill Bart seemed tacked on. He had no reason to this time, so what was the point? Plus, they did this same song from My Fair Lady routine in Family Guy with Stewie once.

Overall 4/5. I want to watch it again, and maybe the grade will change.

Stina

12-15-2002, 06:20 PM

3/5

It was an okay episode.

WeeN

12-15-2002, 06:30 PM

Parts of me liked this episode while other parts didn't.
I felt that the overall plot was ok.....if a bit tedious at times, and the bob shocking jokes got old quickly, but besides minor gripes it was good.
a 4/5. Not the best of the season but not the worst by far. That honour goes to Helter Shelter.......ugh.

Mafia

12-15-2002, 06:30 PM

an episode with a plot... ah... it feels great.

when i saw the guy, i said... oh no... that guy in the speculation thread was right. I could tell it was someone related to Grimey.

people complain about references to older seasons when people complained that there wasn't enough references in the last few years.

The Mardi Gras thing reminded me of a mixture between I Know What You Did Last Summer and Candy Man 2: Day of the Flesh or something... it was mardi gras.

Tom Brokaw is a robot. Smithers was right.

Duffman died again... Well, Duffman never dies, only the actors who play him.

I actually was a little shocked when bob was behind the door. Why was he still staying with the Simpsons or did he escape? It reminded me somewhat of Red Dragon when the killer attacked the guy's home at the end when you thought he was dead. Then... Bob magically remembered that last two parts and decided not to kill Bart. Then... Bob jumped out of a second story window and ran away... to be shocked. Does he escape? Who knows...

I wasn't bothered by the little jokes. An occasional joke thrown through the episode... it reminds me of seasons 1 and 2. Look at Krusty Gets Busted. Black Widower had a few more jokes... still low. After that, Bob episodes just mocked themselves with jokes till the point when they went too far in Day of the Jackanapes. I still shudder at "Mmm... That's good liquid explosive."

I guess I'm the only one who got a kick out of the dummy Homer at first. It dragged though. The shocks were a heh... then they got old.

Episode: 7.5-8.5. I'll think of a good rating in 5 years.

As for Bob episodes... It ranks as 2nd worse. Still... the Bob episodes are elite episodes to me. They are some of the best of the show.

Dennis

12-15-2002, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by jesus plays his hits

yes, but on that same token, you're also twelve years old.

James got dissed....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!AHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!............OK Im done...

skittlebrau

12-15-2002, 06:33 PM

I actually thought it was pretty good. The only things I found wrong with it were too many shockings and the song at the end wasn't that great. Much better than last week's episode. I'll give it a 4/5.

Handsome Pete

12-15-2002, 06:36 PM

Come to think of it, my major problem of this episode was the fact that it was a little too cartoony for my tastes. It was mostly the scenes in the spa that made me think that way, especially some of the things done with Homer and the Dr. Mahseuss or whatever it was part. To think that the show had started off much more realistic is a bit odd, given the current state of the show.

The plotline itself wasn't that bad, actually, it was just the way it was handled that made me a bit upset. Tomacco was right when he said that Wiggum could have taken Bob's spot in tonight's episode, and I'll go as far as to say that almost any character could have done that. Of course, I'm not sure if that would attract less viewers or not. Maybe I'll bump my rating to a 2/5, as there were a few good things in it. Too bad I already voted.

And Tomacco, I wouldn't have called that a fight, rather, it was a civilized argument. :LOL: Oh, of course it wasn't. I'll behave a little more next time. If I offended anyone, sorry.

SideshowTim

12-15-2002, 06:36 PM

I live in Australia someone please give me a brief overview of what happened

Tomacco

12-15-2002, 06:39 PM

My season 14 heirarchy:

Large Marge - 4/5
Great Louse Detective - 4/5
THOH XIII - 3.5/5
Bart vs Lisa vs Third Grade - 3/5
Helter Shelter - 2.5/5
How I Spent My Strummer Vacation - 2/5

Mafia

12-15-2002, 06:40 PM

well... overview? the episode was probably ruined for you.

Spoilers if you didn't read anything else

Homer spa
killer traps Homer in steam room
Wiggum gets Bob to help find out killer
Bob gets shocked
Bob gets shocked
Bob gets shocked
Bob tries to see who wants to kill homer
Homer is king
Mechanic cut break line
Bob saves Homer
Homer takes on killer, Frank Grimes Jr.
Homer says everything is wrapped up.
Bob is hiding in Bart's room.
Bob almost kills Bart, decides not to.
Bob escapes... gets shocked by birds.

DotheBartman

12-15-2002, 06:44 PM

First, the negatives:
Its true, Bob wasn't really involved enough. And for some reason he didn't seem as inspired

A couple gags in the first act fell flat.

The good:

Everything else!

This episode was actually very good, despite my somewhat ho hum feelings about it earlier. Most every gag was good (I was actually laughing out loud through much of it), and I actually thought the plot was well done as well. I knew it was going to be a Grimes as soon as I saw the mechanic (though, a certain someone DID spoil it ahead of time in the anticipation thread), and thought the explanation was very good, very Krusty Gets Busted-ish. Overall not much to complain about, and most everything was great, including the ending (both the conclusion to the main story and Bob's song).

Grade: A, 5/5

Bartman3010

12-15-2002, 06:46 PM

This episode was actually a very good episode. It had some nice jokes in it. When they actually showed the character before revelation, it seemed a bit obvious that it was something to do with Grimes. And the clues given wernt too clear, but I liked that they still highlighted the clues to make sense. And this is a first after many episodes, to me, the ending wasnt horrible. It was passable (Maybe not funny) but it was still better than previous episodes.

Animation wise, there are a few moments that could be done in pen and ink, but have notable errors. But the animation is accurate.

As for Bob, it wasnt as dull as the last Bob episode, its leaps beyond it. Bob was used in a different situation that he isnt used as much with the 'Kill Bart' scenarios. Although the ending sounds like there could be another Bob episode down the road. Even tough the last one sounded like that Bob was dead.

The only thing that keeps it from a perfect 5 is that it still isnt as funny as the episodes should be, the clues wernt clear, predictable asassinator, and the horrible innuendo. However, it deserves a 4 out of 5.

rocio

12-15-2002, 06:47 PM

i loved this episode, possibly the best one this season.

except the singing. let's take out the singing.

i just hated cape feare and this didn't help but the jokes, everything was hilarious. ;)

5/5

-ro

Mafia

12-15-2002, 06:55 PM

it looks like DTB is staying for a few more episode having liked the first of the EABF's.

mintjellyonthelam

12-15-2002, 06:55 PM

Gonna add my ratings of the year. I changed my Helter Shelter one because I felt stupid liking it.

THOH 13 - C-
Strummer - B
Third Grade - C
Large Marge - B+
Helter Shelter - B-
Louse: A-

I am really enjoying this season

Bob Underdunk T

12-15-2002, 06:57 PM

STUFF YOU MAY HAVE MISSED
It takes Marge 3 minutes and 40 seconds to vacuum.

The George Foreman Mail Sorter has a picture of George Foreman saying "I like money!" One of the bad letters says "Patty and Selma are having a party!"

The slogan of the "Stagnant Springs Health Spa" is "Follow the Smell"

Frank Grimes Jr. turns the Steam Room temperature from 'Invigerating' to 'broil' to 'murder'.

Bob is incarcerated at "Campbell's Chunky Soup Maximum Security Prison."

The sign where Bob and Wiggum make their deal has a sign reading "Shh! Backroom deal in progress."

Homer reads "Jugs and Ammo" (A Larry Flinthook Publication")

The people who go after the dummy of Homer are Moe, Patty, Selma, Willie, Reverend Lovejoy, and Homer

Homer and Bob corner Grimey Jr. at a brick wall with a sign saying "Sanderson's Brick Walls - No One Builds 'Em Higher"

Frank Grimes' headstone says "Frank Grimes (Homer's Enemy)".
In the episode "Homer's Enemy" it read "Frank "Grimey" Grimes."

Lisa's suspect is the Bumblebee Man.

Clues Bob uses included: Wrench in the door matches wrench in Grimey Jr.'s shop. The fingerprint on the envelope is from Grimey Jr.'s oily hands, Wiggum's tip about the mechanic, and the oil coming from under the float.

The base for the underscore was first used in 9F22 "Cape Feare" as a parody of the Main Title Theme for the Movie "Cape Fear." This has unofficially become Sideshow Bob's Theme Song, and has been used in every Sideshow Bob episode since. (9F22, 2F02, 3F08, 4F14, CABF10, and EABF01)

gravymaster

12-15-2002, 06:58 PM

Seems like the grading is on an upswing. I just watched the episode again and I still stick with my 4/5. This was most definitly my favorite episode of the season.

Tomacco

12-15-2002, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Bob Underdunk T
The George Foreman Mail Sorter has a picture of George Foreman saying "I like mail!"

Actually if I remember right, it said "I like money" which is also just funnier anyways.

Stackhouse

12-15-2002, 07:07 PM

Awesome... even though it wasn't as funny as Helter Shelter (ducks from people flinging chairs at head), the plot, which I loved, made up for it.

I actually liked the song at the end, Bob singing on the ways to kill Bart :D.

8.5/10, best of the season so far.

DotheBartman

12-15-2002, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Mafia
it looks like DTB is staying for a few more episode having liked the first of the EABF's.

Stride was the one going to give up after this episode, I was just thinking of following his lead after the 300th episode if I didn't like enough episodes between then and that ep. But you're right, if this episode is any indication of season 14 quality, we'll at least get season 13 quality, and that's good enough to keep me watching for a while at least.

Old Time Bike

12-15-2002, 07:19 PM

4/5, good episode methinks

Evan Conover

12-15-2002, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee
Everyone here who is posting negative reviews can not say they are a fan of the show. This episode was the cream separator. It had it all. It reminded me of a classic episode. If you are going to week after week come on and complain...then do it somewhere else because this one was so good that no true fan can say it was not at least somewhat funny.

Amen to that! Even though I didn't quite care for this episode tonight and gave it a 2/5, I ain't gonna kick back and waste my time complaining about how bad this episode was tonight. You negative revewiers gotta admit that there's been far worse than this.

NoOneFamous

12-15-2002, 07:21 PM

Bob Underdunk T: A lot of that stuff was totally obvious. :)

Cole

12-15-2002, 07:28 PM

I watched this episode with a group of people, many who were talking throughout the entire episode, so forgive me if I make some mistakes in my review.

I'll get the bad stuff out of the way first. The worst part of the episode was definitely the shocking. It served no purpose other than to fill time with lame gags repeated several times throughout almost every scene. I kept feeling like it would serve some great purpose in the ending -- but it didn't. All it did was lead up to a very lame scene with Bob getting shocked by birds. The song at the end was also very disappointing. It just seemed to drag on and on.

The highlight of the episode was definitely the discovery of the identity of Homer's attempted murderer. I may be the only one here on the board who didn't see this one coming. When I first saw the mechanic, I was mainly concentrating on Homer and Bob's expressions so I barely even glanced at the mechanic. Another great use of a character from an older season.

Since I was really distracted the first time I watched this episode, I'll definitely need to view it again before giving it my final score. As of now, I'd rate it somewhere around a 3/5.

Bob Underdunk T

12-15-2002, 07:28 PM

I just took out a few of the REALLY obvious ones.

Datoupee

12-15-2002, 07:29 PM

I am wondering why many of you did not like the song ? I thought it was a great way to end the episode.

I Am Lion-O

12-15-2002, 07:37 PM

Too Many People Like this, very average. 3/5. I wish the killer was someone more well known. The best part was when all the people were beating the Homer dummy.

The KOTH episode afterwards was hilarious though.

Simpson Purist

12-15-2002, 07:38 PM

The song was great, but the episode did drag a little after Bob was tranquilized. Let us not forget the shocking gag with the birds, The Simpsons just can't seem to end an episode on a high note these days.

ILikeTheSimpsons

12-15-2002, 07:41 PM

I might be the only one who liked everything about this episode. The shocking, even. Yeah, there was a lot of it, but I thought it was funny even though it didn't have anything to do with the plot (Not every gag is important to the plot even in "classic" episodes). The song at the end was hilarious, it was long but I just found it funny that Bob was singing, it was unexpected. The killer was not as predictable for me, maybe I'm just stupid but I was trying not to think of who it could be because I wanted to be surprised. Overall this was just a great, classic episode to me. It kept me laughing through the whole thing, there was nothing too outrageous I don't think, and the cartooney things that were there were hilarious (Tom Brokaw haha and Kent...funny stuff). Relax people, it IS a cartoon.

InputSelect

12-15-2002, 07:46 PM

I think now that I should have voted 3/5 or 4/5 as I think about the good jokes that there were but I also think that they shoul have put more emphasis on Bob trying to find who the killer is but ah anyway
2nd act was great and 1st and 3rd act were okay and good.

Oh and just to say King of the hill was great tonigh! I thought it was even funnier than the Simpsons.

Simpson Purist

12-15-2002, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by ILikeTheSimpsons
Relax people, it IS a cartoon.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you somewhat on this one. One of the reasons The Simpsons was such a great show is that it was more than a cartoon, it was an animated take on a middle-class family living in an average schmoe town. The recent seasons as of late was when OFF began to show its cartoony side with its outlandish plots and numerous sight gags. Sorry about my ramblings but you get the gist of it ;).

|RABiD|

12-15-2002, 07:49 PM

What can I say? This episode was brilliant...yes it wasnt the best bob episode but it still highly enjoyable and the song i thought was very fun. The Shocking bob thing did get old tho.

Andy

12-15-2002, 07:50 PM

This episode was okay, but it didn't really seem like a Bob ep. I kinda anticipated the suspect to be the mechanic from the first time I saw him and noticed he looked like Grimey. But Frank Grimes JUNIOR? Kinda implausible, don'cha think? Now there's going to be this whole debate over how old Grimey is, and how old Grimey Junior is! Yeesh.

Still, it was okay. Kinda sillier than I would like (lots of Looney Tunesish gags), but Kelsey was still pretty good as Bob-- well, except for the musical number. What is this, now 3 musical numbers this year? And I'm afraid Brokaw is beginning to get tiring.

However, Homer really wasn't that jerkassy. So I say pretty middle of the road; not as bad as Day of the Jackanapes, but it's not one of the better Bob eps either.

Please forgive me for the lateness of my reply. Sincerely, Ringo Starr.

Channel Surfer

12-15-2002, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee
You my friend are wrong ! Take your ball and go home. If you didn't think this was funny then you obviosly haven't been a fan of the show from the beginning. GET OFF THE BAND WAGON PAL !!! This episode was gold.

Originally posted by James
If you liked this episode in any major way, you don't even know what the show is supposed to be. Actually, I will admit the final scene was rather good, but couldn't save this episode.

Both of you are showing a subtle, but definite arrogance when accusing others of not understanding the show (and yes, I'm aware of my own arrogance when accusing others of being arrogant). Please remember that television is typically both a subjective, passive experience used primarily to entertain (or to inform).

Anyway, the episode (for me) is probably a 4/5, being the 2nd best of the season (so what if I liked "Treehouse of Horror XIII"). The shocking was overdone, more so then the rake scenes in "Cape Feare", and the spa scenes felt like an excuse to test their new toy (the digital animation). And Frank Grimes Jr. was as big of a cop-out as the Maggie shooting in "Poppa’s Got a Brand New Badge". Nevertheless, Bob can hold a show, and most of the gags in acts 2 and 3 worked (for me anyway).

As for the musical number: While I'd contend that it felt tacked on, I still was laughing to the actual dialogue, despite the content of the lyrics. And afterward, unlike every other "Sideshow Bob" episode, it doesn’t end with him being recaptured, which was a refreshing change of pace.

Sideshow Bob episodes are now 8 for 8 (meaning I've liked every one up to this point).

Edit: This episode showed a side of Frank Grimes (original) that was probably left unsaid :LOL:

phil

12-15-2002, 08:02 PM

I won't beat around the bush here, kids. I'm finding the show harder to watch.
You may use that "uhh well it's still better than most of the stuff on TV" but that doesn't really sell it with me.

Tonight's episode was pretty mediocre.

Bring on the season 3 DVD.

Gagnonsux

12-15-2002, 08:08 PM

Hmmm, this is one of those rare episodes that leaves me with no opinion either way on if it was good or bad. I didn't laugh much,but rarely did I cringe as I have on recent episodes. The plot was well done, but I couldn't get over how loosely connected Bob was to the plot. Plus I thought "the killer" wasn't too big of a surprise and could have been a better person. THe only thing that I thought was just terrible wasthe repeated shocks to Bob. Being the first EABF I'm really interested to see where the sason is going, but a littl frightened too.

Bob Underdunk T

12-15-2002, 08:09 PM

I agree with whoever it was who said they would rather have seen Bob preforming in the Prison musical as the ending.

NoOneFamous

12-15-2002, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee
I am wondering why many of you did not like the song ? I thought it was a great way to end the episode.

The lyrics are what made me cringe.. "I've come accustomed to your face!" WTF? Terrible!

12-15-2002, 08:18 PM

5/5 one of my favorites!

Kefka

12-15-2002, 08:32 PM

A Solid 4/5 for me. it was a decent episode, nothing worth remembering though. It'd be nice if they didn't use a such a cheap explanation for having Frank Grimes Jr. "He liked Hookers" was kinda lame.

Also, the shocking thing was a bit too much. I was afraid that would happen.

davidshirt

12-15-2002, 08:41 PM

3/5 Not as good as past episodes from this season. On it's own it was alright, but since when in the hell did Springfield celebrate Madri Gras, and there just happened to be a swordfish museum right there.. I dunno.

Moleman...Hans

12-15-2002, 08:44 PM

2.5/5. My dad liked it a lot more than I did. I thought Helter Shelter was a lot better. In fact this was ne the worst episodes ever. I did like some parts but something wasn't right in it. Special Edna should hopefully be better. I though Large Marge would be bad, but it was good. I thought this would be good and this was bad.

or_smth

12-15-2002, 08:49 PM

Just so everyone knows, the song at the end of the episode was a parody of a song is a musical ("My Fair Lady"). That being said, it wasn't a great parody, but it was a parody so treat it as such (ex. you can't really say it has bad lyrics, because the lyrics are real ones :)). See this (http://www.rosemaryclooney.com/LyricPages/grownaccustomedtoyourface.html) if you don't believe me.

That aside, I agree with Comrade. The show is very close to hard to watch, and all the gags in this episode seemed to be back-references or excuses to show characters (Duffman, Fucking Yes Guy and Reiner Wolfcastle were extremely unnecessary). There were some subtle backreferences, for instance, the shocking bit was a takeoff of the running rake gag in Cape Feare. Problem? The rake gag was actually funny while the shocking bit was the stupidest thing I've seen in a while.

I gave it a 3/5, but it should have been a 2/5. This episode had a disjointed 'scully-esque' feel to it that I am surprised no one mentioned.

Ignignot

12-15-2002, 08:55 PM

I don't know about any one else but i found myself laughing at really dumb jokes like:

1.Moes egg jar.
2.The swordfish museum.
3. I laughed at this for liek 10 minutes, homer attacking his dummy.

homer5000

12-15-2002, 09:23 PM

Funny!! Bob was great, but why, oh why did they make fun of Disney's California Adventure? That was cruel, I actually liked it there! Anyways, did anyone find Slideshow Bob TOO pale? Frank Grimes Jr is hilarious! Oh, and what happened to the Bart-friendly Slideshow Bob from "Day of the Jakanapes"? The shocking running gag was as bad as Homer falling down the stairs in "Bart the Mother". And I'm sure the list of all of Homer's enemies is just like the list of Homer's jobs in "Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge". Bob/Apu was OK, and I like the Homer/Jugs and Ammo joke. Oh, and why didn't Bob remember the tow truck appearing through the door at Moe's? And the song was good! Does anyone have the lyrics? Anyways, (OH NO! I forgot the Homer Dummy thing! Hahahahahahaha great!!) 4/5...

Jake

12-15-2002, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Datoupee
Everyone here who is posting negative reviews can not say they are a fan of the show. This episode was the cream separator. It had it all. It reminded me of a classic episode. If you are going to week after week come on and complain...then do it somewhere else because this one was so good that no true fan can say it was not at least somewhat funny.

Well, if you're a true fan of the scullyesque Homer Show, you'll probably hate tonight's episode. :LOL:

It had a wonderful plot, very likeable characters, moved along, and the jokes weren't too stretched (okay, the resort scenes were a wee bit long), plus Homer wasn't super-tard like in recent seasons. The only nit, and it's a minor one, was how Grimes had son who was that old.

Grade: A- (5/5)

Jake

Jake

12-15-2002, 09:35 PM

rpm1200

12-15-2002, 09:41 PM

Anybody notice Bart checking his watch at the beginning of the song? I thought that was a nice meta-joke...
Anyway the episode was OK... I laughed pretty hard a few times... the plot didn't seem that awful to me, but there certainly were some dumb elements in the episode. The FYG scene was particularly inappropriate and unfunny, even for him. Also the "collar-grab" in the sauna was stupid, but I liked the rest of the spa scenes.
What is up with Tom Brokaw, anyway? I don't understand why he's been in so many episodes lately. Is there a personal grudge involved or do the writers just see him as a comedic goldmine? (if so, why?!?) Why don't they mock Peter Jennings or Dan Rather for a while?
Oh, also, I taped the episode off Global and noticed that the clip of Grimes getting shocked from "Homer's Enemy" was not cut a la Broadcast Ambiguities (http://www.snpp.com/guides/ambig.html).

homer5000

12-15-2002, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by rpm1200
Anybody notice Bart checking his watch at the beginning of the song? I thought that was a nice meta-joke...

Errr...how?...

HokieTT

12-15-2002, 09:58 PM

He looked at his watch like most of us probably did when it felt a little late in the show to be starting a new side plot. A wink and a nod 'do we have enough time for this?'

*Waylon Smithers*

12-15-2002, 10:04 PM

4/5
Couch gag, ok, somewhat 'educational'. Not really.
Homer's attempted assain was way too obvious. I though it would be Grimey from the dead or something to that effect. Everything else was pretty fine.

melZets

12-15-2002, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by rpm1200
What is up with Tom Brokaw, anyway? I don't understand why he's been in so many episodes lately. Is there a personal grudge involved or do the writers just see him as a comedic goldmine? (if so, why?!?) Why don't they mock Peter Jennings or Dan Rather for a while?
I was wondering that myself. Perhaps Harry just lobbied hard so he could work his impression of Brokaw into the show more(?). Ironic that Brokaw was the 'big name' guest on Conan the night Harry and Dan made an appearance. Too bad no mention was made of the bulimia crack on him that aired the previous Sunday in 'Bart vs Lisa vs the third grade.'

Simplified my rating strategy to one question: How eager am I to watch the episode again? For this ep: meh... 2/5

Don't try taking it off - It's taped to your leg hair, and that really hurts!

StrideR

12-15-2002, 10:06 PM

Everyone here who is posting negative reviews can not say they are a fan of the show. This episode was the cream separator. It had it all. It reminded me of a classic episode. If you are going to week after week come on and complain...then do it somewhere else because this one was so good that no true fan can say it was not at least somewhat funny.

I could say stuff like "I guess I'm not stupid enough to be a true fan" or something about free speech and opinions, but it won't really make a difference. When I started watching OFF 5 years ago, this was not the way I thought it would all unravel.

Well, "The Great Louse Detective" was all I've expected from The Simpsons since, well, season 10. Lemme see...

Unrelated first act: check
Contrived plot: check (I borrowed "contrived" from James' post)
Random jokes thrown in: check
Continuous subversion of reality: check
Lackluster/confusing ending: check

Of course, there were the obvious references to Krusty's tatoo and Grimey. I guess I'll have to give them bonus points for that.

Arrrgghh! I can't do this anymore. This is not The Simpsons!! Not even remotely close to it. What happened to wit? Sure, anyone can crack a joke that's funny... but OFF was on a different level of hilarity. There was one time during the episode where I felt the show wasn't pretending. It was that time when Apu says something along the lines of "the rest were all smash and grab, but you knew the dance." Alas, it was all too fleeting. I'm sorry, the episode wasn't unwatchable, but it didn't represent anything I respected and loved about The Simpsons.

So, that's it for me... I said this would either be the make or break episode, and unfortunately, "The Great Louse Detective" will be the last new episode I'll ever see, until further notice.

For season 14, this episode gets a 4/5.
As an episode of The Simpsons, 1/5.

There! As far as future episodes are concerned, you all have the opinions of 1 less Simpson fan to worry about.

chiefdan

12-15-2002, 10:24 PM

"Simpsons Safari" is my least favorite episode of all time.

Having said that, I thought "The Great Louse Detective" was "Simpsons Safari" quality. I'm not sure yet which episode will become my least favorite episode EVER; I gotta see tonight's episode again.

1/5. Second worst episode EVER. That is, in my fucking opinion.

thecapecoddah

12-15-2002, 10:35 PM

Solid episode, 4/5. Better than the last Bob episode... "Day of the Jackanapes."

Loved how the mechanic was revealed to be Grimey Jr... and I personally didn't get sick of all the 'shocking Bob' gags... it's fun to see him in pain. I also didn't care for the song at the end, but the ending was still decent anyway.

Maddog53

12-15-2002, 10:37 PM

3/5

I thought it was a good episode, however comparing it with other Bob episodes, something seemed just a little off. The shocking gag was horrible. You can read my complete review here. (http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeReviewPage/showid-146/epid-130013/blockid-97961/)

Maddog.

Skyegazer

12-15-2002, 11:21 PM

The scene with Marge and the Yes guy was gross.

one of my fave lines. "Bob you sure are smart..shock him"

Bliss Goggles

12-16-2002, 12:03 AM

i know this is very vague---

in the begining--before the mail sorting scene, which i thought was amrginally funny, one of the kids made a joke--a reference to some obscure movie or something---

but i forget entirely---i was nearly passed out, after studying for 5 exams, so my brain was and is fried...doesn anyone remember or know what the hell im talking about?

"hey, did you hear the news? theres more to love than being alone?"
-Submarine Borealis

Methane monkey man

12-16-2002, 12:44 AM

It sinks it stinks it stinks. Classic crap! You know the only good thing about it is that homer barely over reacted. The constant shocking of side show mel pissed me off. The lack of rakes pissed me off. The mail sorting machine pissed me off. The stilts pissed me off. The illogical excuse for juniors existance pissed me off. Hell with the exception of the couch it sucked.

Matty

12-16-2002, 12:54 AM

This was certainly a great watch. It felt like it could originally aired a week after Homer's Enemy to me. Like a lot of season 8 episodes, it wasn't hilariously funny but rich in story and still packed with great jokes. I loved the little mystery, and although I had figured it out the second the Grimes look-a-like said Kroatia in a very Grimey voice, I loved how they just shoved the killer in your nose just hiddenly enough for people not to notice (from what I read, not many people noticed it). Lot's of clues stuck in there to have fun with. They kept with 1 story and developed it, although the ending seemed a bit too loose. And importantly, all the characters were great, Homer was hilarious, Bob seemed his intelligent maniac self and got some great action. Especially loved the use of a canon. The song wasn't much of a stand out, but still nice and better than Jockey's, Kids and your boob's are sweet-like songs.

A few bad things occur though. Bob gets a lot of bad scenes due the shocking, which started to annoy me pretty fast. Seemed like a South Park kind of running gag. Also, I felt there was a little missing from the explanation. First of all, the hooker line was just stupid. The revenge as a whole would've been better had he been Grimey's brother, or explained how he never got a chance to meet his own dad because of Homer (which would explain him not being mentioned or even on the funeral in Homer's Enemy). Still, I liked the character. Look at his very Grimes-like head movement for much-o enjoyment. And the very unsubtle gravestone FRANK GRIMES (HOMER'S ENEMY) irrated very had.

Overall, they took Sideshow Bob in a creative direction, gave us new Grimes fun (and possibly more in the future!) and a great plot. Great EABF start - 8,5

Simpson Purist

12-16-2002, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by stride_83

So, that's it for me... I said this would either be the make or break episode, and unfortunately, "The Great Louse Detective" will be the last new episode I'll ever see, until further notice.

There! As far as future episodes are concerned, you all have the opinions of 1 less Simpson fan to worry about.

I'm gonna miss your insightful and pessimistic view on the "new" Simpsons. I hope you do something productive like the kids did when Itchy & Scratchy didn't live up to their expectations. Farewell, and hopefully you'll come back to comment on the 300th episode, if you're up to it ;).

SideshowTim

12-16-2002, 02:20 AM

Yeh what he said!

StrideR

12-16-2002, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Dark Lord Sauron

I'm gonna miss your insightful and pessimistic view on the "new" Simpsons. I hope you do something productive like the kids did when Itchy & Scratchy didn't live up to their expectations. Farewell, and hopefully you'll come back to comment on the 300th episode, if you're up to it ;).

I'll just do what ever disillusioned fan does... workin' on those fanscripts ;-/

doyle

12-16-2002, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by Bob Underdunk T
I agree with whoever it was who said they would rather have seen Bob preforming in the Prison musical as the ending. hey that was me im not important enough to remember

SideshowTim

12-16-2002, 03:43 AM

LOL

ShadowBun

12-16-2002, 06:17 AM

Another line I liked that no one's seemed to mention yet:

"Bob's tried to kill me so much, it's not funny anymore!"

Homer eating the mail on a bun was kind of weird...but oddly funny.

Fat Whitey

12-16-2002, 07:06 AM

4/5, one of my favorites, but let me say one thing I knew the murderer was realated to Frank Grimes

Kamikaze_chimp

12-16-2002, 07:12 AM

no time for a full review 7/10

lee2

12-16-2002, 07:27 AM

A Cletus joke was left out. In the commercial preview there's a picture of a severed finger on the floor next to a cigarette. That scene was left out and it would have made the "amputate his crown for the woman he loves" joke more funny.

Burnsie

12-16-2002, 07:27 AM

4.5/5. A very nice surprise! I practically jumped up from my seat when I saw Sideshow Bob - completely unsuspected! Bringing Frank Grimes back was great as well (especially considering I thought Homer was so stupid for mentioning him as a suspect.) My favorite part: when Bart was protesting Bob staying at their home: "He's tried to kill me so many times it's not funny anymore!" LOL!!

irv

12-16-2002, 07:32 AM

the shocking would have been overdone if it was not funny each time. when marge got the button stuck, that was funny. because it was marge. when the birds at the end were doing it, that was funny, because they were birds. it was funny.

stilts thing was funny because places like that actually exist, and the fact that eddie arrested bob while wearing stilts made it more funny.

first act was pretty bad, though.

once you saw the prison and heard sideshow bob's theme, how could you not know it was gonna be bob.

4/5

Burnsie

12-16-2002, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by jesus plays his hits
...
once you saw the prison and heard sideshow bob's theme, how could you not know it was gonna be bob.

...
Actually, upon hearing the music, I wondered for a split-second if Bob would appear, but I figured I would've heard in advance (from this board, at least). So I was expecting some sort of Dr. Lecter type, or maybe Snake.

HokieTT

12-16-2002, 07:55 AM

D'oh'ses

12-16-2002, 08:06 AM

the very best of the season, and i missed several parts. this episode was fantastic, no nonsensical plots or anything. everything was very well done, the ending was quite a surprise and very good. best episode in the season. however, the song at the end was not very good at all.
***edit*** the part where eddie arrests him on the stilts was soooooooooooo funny!

Skyegazer

12-16-2002, 08:09 AM

I loved the scene at the bar, with Lenny, Moe and Carl talking about how easy it shouldve been to kill Bart. I also liked the George Forman letter sorter with a pic of him saying "I like money."

Originally posted by Fat Whitey
4/5, one of my favorites, but let me say one thing I knew the murderer was realated to Frank Grimes

Yeah, me to. But I thought it was his brother. I mean how old was Frank? They looked the same age.

Also, the musical seemed kinda gay.

Interslice

12-16-2002, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by DotheBartman
First, the negatives:
Its true, Bob wasn't really involved enough. And for some reason he didn't seem as inspired

A couple gags in the first act fell flat.

The good:

Everything else!

This episode was actually very good, despite my somewhat ho hum feelings about it earlier. Most every gag was good (I was actually laughing out loud through much of it), and I actually thought the plot was well done as well. I knew it was going to be a Grimes as soon as I saw the mechanic (though, a certain someone DID spoil it ahead of time in the anticipation thread), and thought the explanation was very good, very Krusty Gets Busted-ish. Overall not much to complain about, and most everything was great, including the ending (both the conclusion to the main story and Bob's song).

Grade: A, 5/5
Do the Bartman actually likes a new episode! I am enthralled.

Curious, very curious. All Simpsons fan on this board, but yet we still get a broad variety of different reviews. This why I put up with the people on this board. Most reviews sound reasonable and I'm not sure, which to believe.

And Finally, Spoilers = I am spoiled

gil

12-16-2002, 08:15 AM

Terrible, horrible episode. Only funny bit was Moe's photos with his jar. The rest ranged from dull and unfunny to downright embarrassing.

2/5

~gil

Citizen Kang

12-16-2002, 09:33 AM

Very wierd episode...Many, many random jokes...If it wasn't for the complete randomness I wouldn't have like it that much...4/5...

Wavy Gravy

12-16-2002, 10:34 AM

Well, I thought it was a really good episode. A nice spin on the regular Bob plot. Sure, there were some out-of-place jokes, but they weren't too major (except Moe's egg jar thing, which will almost definetely disappear in syndication). Loved the setup, the mystery, and the solution, as well as the flashback to 4F19, "Homer's Enemy". The song at the end was cool too. I don't think Bob's shock collar was overdone too much, really. All in all, the third best of Season 14 so far (behind DABF20, "Bart Vs. Lisa Vs. the Third Grade" and DABF18, "Large Marge").

thecapecoddah

12-16-2002, 10:35 AM

Although certainly not as great as "Cape Feare," I must say that this episode did a semi-decent job at recapturing its magic despite the fact that Bob's character has changed a great deal since then.

Bart_2158

12-16-2002, 11:51 AM

What a great ep. defenatly the best in a long while and it will be hard to beat. I always liked Bob but I tough we were over the Bob killing Bart thing. 5/5

Hans Barber

12-16-2002, 11:58 AM

some people(not nearly all) are too hypercritical. it was a pretty damn good episode, a few dumb too cartoonish parts, but still better than the crap they ahve head. i mean if some gives helter shelter a 4\5, i dont see at all how this would score less. best parts were with moe and his jar and bobs singing at the. ahah love bob.
and the severed finger was on king of the hill

Mafia

12-16-2002, 12:19 PM

here are the ultimate questions...

Will Grimey Junior return or go to the wall of villians who are only seen in the background after words... like Botz?

If Grimey wasn't married to Grimey Jr's mother, the hooker, wouldn't Grimey Jr. not be Grimey Jr? Wouldn't he be something like Frank Smith?

I'm gonna guess Grimey was 42 at death... At the age of 20, Grimey probably had sex with a hooker. Grimey Jr. was 22 at the time of Grimey's death... 27 if the ordinary hard working person actually ages on the show too... like Apu's kids.

Robbie

12-16-2002, 12:41 PM

All I have to say is, I was completely surprised by Grimey Jr. being the culprit. I didn't even notice him when he appeared earlier in the episode as the mechanic.

Matty

12-16-2002, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Mafia
here are the ultimate questions...

Will Grimey Junior return or go to the wall of villians who are only seen in the background after words... like Botz?

Well... since Grimey Junior is voiced by Hank Azaria, there's already a bigger chance. Botz was guestvoiced by Penny Marshall, who would have to return every time for voicing. It would be a treat to see Junior again in the future, though!

Mike Scully

12-16-2002, 01:07 PM

First of all, before I launch into my semi-scathing review of tonight's episode, I'd like to point out that I WAS CORRECT!! Out of the many, many guesses made on this board as to who the killer could possibly be, only MINE was correct. I said a few weeks ago "Maybe it's a relative of Frank Grimes" and here's the evidence!

http://nohomers.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=279594#post279594

Woohoo! :p :kingme:

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

As to the episode, I really wanted to like it. Being the first of the EABF's which all look so promising, the first episode to introduce digital animation, and a new twist on the Sideshow Bob saga, I was ready to think The Great Louse Detective would be a return to classic Simpsons. Unfortunately, it looks like we're in for yet another mediocre season. :(

I watched Black Widower before seeing Great Louse Detective, just to remind myself of how great Sideshow Bob episodes could be, and I was amazed at how well-done BW's storyline was. That episode keeps you completely engaged, wondering whether or not Sideshow Bob has really reformed in prison (even if you've aleady seen the episode), a sense of drama and tension that's not sacrificed for silly gags as we're gradually clued into the impending murder, good conflict as Bart fears for what Bob could do, and mystery that's intricately developed.

None of those qualities were in tonight's episode. We have the bare-bones structure of a good mystery plot, and the episode is being praised for actually having a plot, but I found that I didn't care about revealing the killer, and didn't feel like Homer's life was really in danger. Puzzling, especially, was Homer's decision to attend the Mardi Gras parade. Bob being paired up with Homer could have had so many comic possibilities that weren't even touched upon. Seeing Bob's refined and sophisticated personality clash with Homer's more boorish lifestyle would have great. Too bad the writers preferred to go for cheap gags about Bob being shocked instead. I find it hard to believe that people are rating The Great Louse Detective higher than Black Widower.

The main laughs to come out of this episode were the typical semi-funny random gags. The reference to Sideshow Bob's robbery in the Kwik-E-Mart was funny. The contrivance of a swordfish museum was hilarious. The shock gags were different enough each time to be funny. And I liked the silliness of everyone chasing each other with stilts. However, the real comic possibilities that could have made this episode classic (like Bob's interaction with Homer, or Bart's reaction to having a killer in his home) were largely wasted.

Only at the end did the episode get back a little of the Sideshow Bob magic. Sideshow Bob escaping to kill Bart, when we thought everything was over, was good. The song, which everyone else hated, ironically, I actually really liked. It really fit in with Sideshow Bob's character, and the dialogue interspersed in with the song was funny. Better than the uninspired song from Large Marge.

I'd gve this episode a C, the typical grade I give to mediocre season 11,12, and 14 episodes, which are funny enough when being watched, but forgotten soon afterwards.

HomertheGreat

12-16-2002, 01:17 PM

Wow a great way to start off the EABF's! Tied for the second best episode of the season behing Bart vs Lisa vs the Third Grade. Anyway here's my review.

This episode wasn't really funny and that's the only problem I have with it. But the plot was really awesome it pregressed like a Season 8 episode. And I was surprised by the killer, the first time we saw Grimes Jr it passed right over my head. The only part I didn't like was the shocking gag and and the end. But overall very good and I can't wait for "Special Edna" 4/5

George Cauldron

12-16-2002, 01:29 PM

He had a son? Since when? I assumed he was unmarried.

HomertheGreat

12-16-2002, 01:39 PM

Grimes Jr. said that Grimes liked hookers. Pretty lame IMO

chiefdan

12-16-2002, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Cauldron, George
He had a son? Since when? I assumed he was unmarried.

That's right, he didn't get married. He loved hookers. I also like hookers.

Warren

12-16-2002, 01:45 PM

Who doesn't? :bow:

About the episode,it was the best so far this season IMO.

4/5

Robbie

12-16-2002, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by HomertheGreat
Grimes Jr. said that Grimes liked hookers. Pretty lame IMO

Hey, I bought it. After all, he lived between two bowling alleys, so I doubt he could get any women on his own.

lisa_the_greek

12-16-2002, 01:57 PM

Okay, I just have to say.... If you thought this episode sucked, you were trying not to like it. I'm all for "Different Strokes for Different Folks" but last night's episode was great, plain and simple.

The first one this season I can say I seriously enjoyed.

Smilin'JoeFission

12-16-2002, 02:23 PM

I enjoyed this one more than any other episode so far this season. Sadly, it wasn't the most brilliant thing written, and I can think of a few episodes from Season 13 I still liked better than this one. One of S14's better endings, however.

Dr Zaius

12-16-2002, 02:27 PM

I seem to enjoy episodes that everyone else hates, so I'm looking forward to this when it airs in UK.

George Cauldron

12-16-2002, 02:39 PM

Oh, OK. I haven't seen the episode. So when people mentioned Grimes Jnr, I assumed he married and had kids somehow.

kevin

12-16-2002, 02:51 PM

Number Two

12-16-2002, 02:58 PM

pretty good ep! id give it 4/5

Stitchface

12-16-2002, 03:00 PM

"Jesus is my only king"

Heh..Funny stuff..but not GREAT stuff..3/5

Jason

12-16-2002, 03:19 PM

Not a great episode, hated the song at the end. 2/5

Moleman...Hans

12-16-2002, 03:30 PM

season 13 was a total classic and a lot of season 14 was so far, but when they air an episode like this which has kind of funny jokes here and there I start to really really hope the Season 15 and the rest 14 won't let the simpsons leave TV without a great finale.

Brian S.

12-16-2002, 03:45 PM

This episode was great.

Heh, favourite part was:

Homer: Grimes had family?
Junior: ..My father liked hookers.

8-)

"Yes i Cannibus"

12-16-2002, 04:13 PM

this was the best episode of the season so far, it had a good plot, and pretty funny jokes, the franks grimes juniour thing was way to predictable (marge mentioned his name, and the mechanic looked and sounded just like him, the only question was was it frank grimes himself or his son)

but can someone answer me this - how old was frank grimes/, cause junior looked in his 20's or 30's, so was frank grimes a father at 5 or 6?

StrideR

12-16-2002, 04:27 PM

6, more likely.

bbf2

12-16-2002, 04:55 PM

When they first had the scene with the mechanic, I thought "The murderer is going to be this mechanic that Homer's mean to. What a cop out." I assumed that the mechanic had appeared a few times before as a stock character that I forgot, hence the reference to the producers saying the character has appeared before. I could tell it was him from that scene, though, because it felt unnecessary and tacked on.

I was pleasently surprised when the mechanic said he was Frank Grimes Jr...I really didn't expect that. Very cool surprise. But then again I haven't spent any time analyzing it beforehand or anything.

Anyway, the first act I kind of wanted to hurry up with...the spa was quite lame. The second act was alright but with too much shocking. But I absolutely loved the third act, with the way it all came together. I loved Lisa thinking it was "Bumblebee Man" for some reason, maybe just for the thought of Bumblebee Man being an assassin. And the song at the end seemed totally in character for Bob. Best of the season for me so far, for having good jokes and a good plot that didn't go all over the place the whole time like certain episodes have.

Oscar Meyer

12-16-2002, 05:49 PM

When Grimey died, i knew some how he would return to get his revenge on Homer. Best episode of the season so far, SideshowBobs return was way better than his previous encounter with the simpsons 5/5! I hope to see Grimey Jr. in future episodes too, since im a sucker for the original Grimes.

TheDoughtnutMan

12-16-2002, 07:16 PM

May I say anyone who thought this was in any way a bad episode was bviously not a fan of the simpsons this episode made me want to call everyone I knew and ask if they watched it (and once i got through the first 10 people I got tired of the same old reaction "the simpsons? there was a new episode? I thought they were all re-runs")

so I give it a 5/5 and only to add anyone voting less than 4 should get a life and find a new tv show to idolize

Channel Surfer

12-16-2002, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by TheDoughtnutMan
May I say anyone who thought this was in any way a bad episode was bviously not a fan of the simpsons this episode made me want to call everyone I knew and ask if they watched it (and once i got through the first 10 people I got tired of the same old reaction "the simpsons? there was a new episode? I thought they were all re-runs")

so I give it a 5/5 and only to add anyone voting less than 4 should get a life and find a new tv show to idolize

Well, you are the one who defines "Simpsons" fandom. ;-/

Seriously, I gave it a 4, but television entertainment is both a subjective and passive experience. And a show such as "The Simpsons" that has (and does) offer a wide variety of different styles of humor (and sometimes drama) within their episodes; well, many people may be disappointed with an episode featuring lots of slapstick (such as this episode).

Think of it this way. Fans demand the very best out of a show that has given them so many years of entertainment. It's only natural for them to demand more when an episode (in their opinion) is not up to par with the "declared" classics.

Still, don't be taken back too much by my response. Just trying to elaborate on the viewpoints of the cynics. Welcome to the boards.

Blue Phoenix

12-16-2002, 07:38 PM

Smeagol88

12-16-2002, 10:19 PM

I noticed a change in the animation, not a bad thing but it is different. Loved all the "freeze-frame" moments, the mystery type plot, and Sideshow Bob using his old flying from a cannon experience to save Homer. My only "cringe-worthy" moment was Moe with the pickled egg jar, just went on a little long.

wee raging wilie

12-17-2002, 01:07 AM

2/5 It was obvious that it was the mechanic.. I knew it would be him..

bald adonis

12-17-2002, 03:08 AM

This is my first post, but I'll be more opinionated than I probably should be since I am a fanatic myself. Firstly, I know now that the Simpsons will never be the show that they once were. They simply ran out of ways to make a show about a simple family, with relatable characters, and biting social satire. I've been watching the first two season dvds and its just amazing how little the show now resembles the show it once was.
With that said, I do not mean to say that the Simpsons are not still enjoyable. I am willing to make a leap of faith and accept the Simpsons as the contrived slapstick comedy it has become and judge each episode based on its success in this type of episode, rather than, say comparing it to Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Amendment, a very satirical episode. However, I will compare it this one to other Sideshow Bob episodes.
It was vastly better than Jackanapes. I died a little when Bart was unafraid of Bob. It was like they just spit on all their past glories with this relationship. I was glad they brought back the tension between the characters. I thought the idea of Bob helping the Simpsons was interesting enough. And the buzzer was funny at first but grew grating. Yes, it was painfully obvious the killer had something to do with Grimes as soon as the mechanic sure looked darn like Grimes, since they'd already mentioned him earlier in the episode. Also, the ending just flat out didn't work. I'm not sure why. It was hysterical when Bob sang Pinnafore in Cape Feare. Maybe because that joke absurdly showed off he easily he was duped despite his ability to seem above such a simple ruse. Yet this odd parody of My Fair Lady was overly long and pointless.
Conversely though, the pickled eggs bit and swordfish museum were the best jokes for me. Basically, this episodes pros and cons were fairly even.
Btw, people shouldn't be using the "true fan of the show" line to try to deride people's opinions of the show. As I recall, the true fans of the show have had always had vastly differing opinions even on the early episodes which we all agree are better than they are now generally. Yes, the show is not what it was, but enjoy it for it is and don't look at every episode merely as just another reason why the show has become an insult to what the Simpsons used to be about.

3/5: For a post Season 9 episode
2/5: For any Simpsons episode

SideshowTim

12-17-2002, 03:18 AM

Well said My first post was about two lines long!

Toli

12-17-2002, 03:23 AM

Havn't seen it ya just gave it away but I don't care god dambit Frank Grimes that's stupid everyone knows that ep sucked christ Herb Powell would have been better. Simpsons used to be about comedy laughter and getting hurt badly but Matt has run out of ideas and turned it all around e.g : season 9 10 11 and 12 sucked. Simpson used to be cool now it's not that good Matt and other writers produces exetra should really work on it. More Ralph jokes Barney back as a drunk Bart not fitting in with the bullys as much as know. Marge not a angry tempered loser.

Shlomo

12-17-2002, 05:26 AM

Was OK.

Simpson Purist

12-17-2002, 07:08 AM

Anyone know how this episode did in the ratings?

Thomas

12-17-2002, 07:15 AM

This episode was great! I love the hang gliding joke and the drunks I am your king sacrafice your bodies to slow me down part. I know that is not a direct quote but I am sure someone will correct me :)

hwtrash

12-17-2002, 07:39 AM

The episode just seemed slapped together...like....gee how can we find ANOTHER way to use Sideshow Bob. Some of the one liners were decent enough. BUT the end musical number was totally tacked on. Bear in mind I really really really dislike Ian Maxtone Grahamn. So this was par for the course for him.
The Simpsons used to "pay homage" (aka rip off) classics like "Citizen Kane" and "Ben Hur" now they take off cheap, transient pop culture...so...
Take the reality show one two weeks ago. Does reality television really need to be satirized? It's bad enough already.
Once again, that singing routine was even worse than the restuarant song by Homer in "large marge"
adios.

Matty

12-17-2002, 07:56 AM

Anyone know how this episode did in the ratings?

FOX moved into the top spot at 8 p.m. with "The Simpsons," 8.2/13

tim_duncan2000

12-17-2002, 09:42 AM

Here is a list of things that sucked about this episode

-People hitting the Homer life-sized doll was lame
-The family (and others) shocking Sideshow Bob over and over got old
-The way they did the Frank Grimes Jr. situation was lame and poorly conceived
-The Moe and the jar bit was really stupid
-The song at the end was awful, and, like someone else said, how the hell did he escape after being tranquilized?

I don't know how anyone gave this episode anything higher than a 2/5.

DoloresMontenegro

12-17-2002, 10:12 AM

hello? the pennies in the ashtray joke was already done! so was the homer car being made in a weird country. it was previously revealed to be made in guatamala. now it's from croatia? this season is an ebarrassment to the great televsion show ever made.

tim_duncan2000

12-17-2002, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by lisa_the_greek
Okay, I just have to say.... If you thought this episode sucked, you were trying not to like it. I'm all for "Different Strokes for Different Folks" but last night's episode was great, plain and simple.
I'm tired of hearing this lame excuse. I never try to hate an episode. I just watch episodes, and if it's funny, I laugh, and if it's not, I don't. It's as simple as that. I mean, it's not like I hate every new episode. Though I have hated most episodes from season 11+, there have been some I liked as well.

And though you say that the episode was great, plain and simple, I say it sucked plain and simple. I'm sure it sucked, and you are sure that it was great. And we both are convinced we are right. That's just going to be how it is, and I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is people insisting I am trying not to like episodes just because I don't share the same opinion as them. I also have a problem with people that claim that I'm not a true fan because I didn't like the latest episode. Who are they to decide what makes someone a true fan?

MaxpowerAK79

12-17-2002, 10:50 AM

Okay: Maybe there were a few stupid gags, but overall the episode was not a bad one. The first five minutes were not doing it for me, but then it got pretty funny...The pickled egg jar and the fact that the sauna setting was "Murder" those were a bit of a reach....
But come on, "My dad liked hookers" that is a classic in anybody's book. Come on, hookers! Yeah, that's right!

And when they have to get up on stilts to chase him on stilts? Do you think Grimes and the hookers did it in the apartment between two bowling alleys? Or did they just rent a hotel! And I got a kick out of all the enemies he listed.

Jake

12-17-2002, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by tim_duncan2000
Who are they to decide what makes someone a true fan?

I'd hate to called a 'true fan'. If I said I was true fan, people would think I loved anything and everything Simpsons.

Jake

StrideR

12-17-2002, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by lee2
A Cletus joke was left out. In the commercial preview there's a picture of a severed finger on the floor next to a cigarette. That scene was left out and it would have made the "amputate his crown for the woman he loves" joke more funny.

Wasn't that from KoTH?

lisa_the_greek

12-17-2002, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by hwtrash
Bear in mind I really really really dislike Ian Maxtone Grahamn. So this was par for the course for him.

I also dislike Ian, but he didn't write this episode.

caffolote

12-17-2002, 02:13 PM

3/5, almost better than "Day of the Jackanapes."

chiefdan

12-17-2002, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by stride_83

Wasn't that from KoTH?

Yes it was. lee2 was just confused.

irv

12-17-2002, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Jake

I'd hate to called a 'true fan'. If I said I was true fan, people would think I loved anything and everything Simpsons.

Jake

everyone knows that only true fans make wierd goof-ass simpsons spin-off drawings

StrideR

12-17-2002, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by jesus plays his hits

everyone knows that only true fans make wierd goof-ass simpsons spin-off drawings

Until you can do better, please don't call Jake's drawings goof-assed.

kevin

12-17-2002, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by jesus plays his hits

everyone knows that only true fans make wierd goof-ass simpsons spin-off drawings

jealous?

TheSageBean

12-17-2002, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by DoloresMontenegro
hello? the pennies in the ashtray joke was already done! so was the homer car being made in a weird country. it was previously revealed to be made in guatamala. now it's from croatia? this season is an ebarrassment to the great televsion show ever made.

okay, maybe this season isnt that great, but 1. There have already been a few jokes made about pennies in ashtrays (behind the laughter, poppa's got a brand new badge) and 2. The Simpsons have been known to have continuity goofs, and this joke wasnt even very important, so I wouldnt worry.

I gave the episode a 4/5, only because i'm setting the standard lower for season 14 episodes. It would probably be a 1-2-3 out of 5 f I used seasons 1-8 standards. There was nothing reallly stand out about the episode.