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Cole
11-10-2002, 12:44 PM
Season 14's second episode airs tonight with an army of guest stars including Mick Jagger, Tom Petty, Keith Richards, Brian Setzer, Lenny Kravitz, and Elvis Costello. There is alot of hype surrounding this episode and now we will see if it lived up to the fan's expectations.



The thread and poll will open once the episode airs.

Blinky
11-10-2002, 05:30 PM
Heh, Good Times and Bad times.


I laughed the most at the final scene involving the Devil Head Car:D

Modest Mouse
11-10-2002, 05:31 PM
Alot better then i expected it to be.

Andy
11-10-2002, 05:31 PM
Open:

>>No blackboard gag? :(

First act:

>>Somewhat okay in its execution.
>>Disco Stu used well-- "I HATE DISCO!" Very clever.
>>Only problem: not getting to the main plot. That would have been a good idea.

Second act:

>>I'm getting a bit tired of Homer's jerkassiness in this ep. Not a good thing.
>>However, the guest stars have so far been done VERY well, especially Mick, Keith and Tom Petty.

BEST QUOTE OF THE EP:

Mick: It's only Rock and Roll Camp.
Homer: But I like it!

Third act:

>>Anyone see THIS EPISODE'S WRITER in the line to the men's room?
>>Homer was still jerkassy, but not as bad as Act Two... until that AWFUL CHASE SCENE. Peh.
>>Stupid Satan head end not very funny. Too Looney Tunes.
>>Cool! Good to see the stars do their voices over the credits!

Overall: middle of the road-- not excellent, but not horrible either. Still very enjoyable.

HellBender
11-10-2002, 05:32 PM
3 out of 5... not bad, but not great either

Rob G
11-10-2002, 05:33 PM
The only redeeming part was the sweet ending. The rest of it you can keep, ESPECIALLY jerkass Homer. This was his WORST and hopefully his LAST.

I was hoping for a preview for next week. Oh well.

BlindPsychic
11-10-2002, 05:33 PM
It was ok, no particularly funny parts except Mick Jagger screaming "SIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPSOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN!!!!!!!"

allies107
11-10-2002, 05:34 PM
It was better then i thought it would be

My fav part was when Homer went around flashing his back stage pass

Mr. Plow
11-10-2002, 05:36 PM
I've viewed the episode twice, so here's my review:

Opening Act:
- No chalkboard gag? :(
- Disturbing couch gag :(

First Act:
- The episode starts out nicely. Great gag involving Homer's wallet. Moe makes a great apperance in this episode. The ways Homer tried to get wasted weren't that great, and Homer licking toads has already been done, and doesn't need to be done again. Lenny and Carl were also great in this episode. The "car chase" sequence was lame, as Homer was just being a jerk.

Sarcastic Taxi Cab Driver: Where to?
Homer: Moe's Tavern :LOL:

The violent diarehea bit was a tad immature, but gave me a chuckle with the kid's shudders. Also dug the MTC: Monkey Tramua Center bit. We don't see much of Disco Stu, so it was nice to see him again workin' it.

Lisa: Another proud moment for the Simpsons.

Homer's drunken plea in the Taxi Cab Conversations bit was predictable, as you could tell he was going to go into a downward spiral towards dissing the family. Nonetheless, it pays off with his heart felt speech, which was great.

Second Act:
- Homer is starting to get a little bit funnier and more annoying. It sorta balances out. Loved the bit with the place where your family will never follow you again. Also liked the I.R.S. joke. I thought that the episode went nicely with all those guest stars. I personal favorites were Prof. Keith Richards and Tom Petty. I was chuckling, but not laughing out loud, throughout all the guest star's bits. One of my favorites involved Wiggum and Jagger. Elvis Costello was great with his base gag. My favorite bit with a guest star involved Lenny Kravitz and Kenny Loggins :LOL:. Brian Setzer's apperance was a meh. Also liked it when Mick Jagger taught them dance movements. A bit disturbing when all the guys started kissing the cardboard groupies. The end ended abruptly, with Homer becoming childish and annoying.

Third Act:
- This act felt really short, and seems like the weakest of the 3. The only great gag which got me laughing was the all access pass. The ending was nice, seeing Homer bond with the kids.

Overall, a 3/5-4/5, but I'll give this one a 4. A decent episode, but it reminded me much of "Homerpalooza" and "A Tale of Two Springfields". Can't wait for next week's though!

YesMan
11-10-2002, 05:36 PM
2/5. I didn't like it much at all, but it wasn't pure crap.

Not very funny, rushed and lousy plot, and Homer was annoying.

Also, what's going on? How come Mike Scully is back Executive Producing (or did I miss-read the credits?)?

Either way, that's the second bad season premier I've seen so far. I only pray the rest of the season won't be so dissapointing.

Simpson Purist
11-10-2002, 05:36 PM
I was somewhat surprised by this episode. I didn't see too much jerkass Homer moments. The guest stars were funny and not so self-flattering. The ending with Homer driving the devil car is great.

7/10

conor.
11-10-2002, 05:36 PM
I liked it. Very original for the Simpsons.

Necromancer
11-10-2002, 05:36 PM
2/5, disappointing.

Gagnonsux
11-10-2002, 05:36 PM
NOt too good of an episode. Story was weak, guest stars didn't do too much. There were enough funny moments to keep it from terrible, but it seemed like something from season 11. Plus, the ending was just stupid. 2.3/5

Futurama was pretty weak tonight also.

Blue Phoenix
11-10-2002, 05:36 PM
2/5

Pretty good for a standerd Homercentric gueststar overloaded episode. That being said they need to move away from episodes like this once or twice a season is fine but there is no need to have gueststars for no good reason every other week.

A few parts were funny however.

nowhere
11-10-2002, 05:37 PM
A very uneven episode. A few of the gags were pretty good, but most of them missed. (I liked the El Salvador gag) The episode also seemed to be everywhere with each act having a different plot. I'm really getting sick of Homer crying hysterically for no particular reason.
Overall 2/5

Edit: This episode reminded me a lot of Kill the Alligator..., which is not a good thing.

YesMan
11-10-2002, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Gagnonsux
Futurama was pretty weak tonight also.

I liked Futurama, it was much better then the new Simpsons.

thugie
11-10-2002, 05:40 PM
3/5. I liked the "jump the shark" couch gag the best.


Quote from Nowhere:

"I'm really getting sick of Homer crying hysterically for no particular reason."

Me too. It's really, really old.

Token
11-10-2002, 05:40 PM
I personally thought it was a crappy episode.

Minimal high points, WAY too many guest stars. Though the devil car cracked me up.

2/5

Hapablap
11-10-2002, 05:40 PM
much better than expected, 1st and 3rd act were great. Homer trying to get wasted was hilarious. Homer was whining a bit more than necessary, but the story didnt seem as rushed as in recent seasons. The guest stars did a nice job of making fun of themselves, I thought this would be like the Mel Gibson episode, but it was all good stuff. The part with the devil head was a little out there, but still funny as hell when they all jumped on and started chasing Homer. Overall, a great episode to start the season.

elvis costello - my image!

NoOneFamous
11-10-2002, 05:41 PM
3/5

Opening: What? I hope they don't cut down the opening this much all time time! I mean there wasn't even a chalkboard gag! LOL, Did anyone notice that the couch gag was another reference to the show "jumping the shark?"

1st Act: The problem with a lot of the 1st acts lately, is that the majority of it is spent on nothing happening. (Remember the dog trying to kill Bart?) In this case, it was about Homer getting wasted, and the family getting mad at him, but it didn't set up the real plot of the episode, which the first act usually should do. One thing I liked, was that Disco Stu finally showed some depth!

2nd Act: I think all the guest stars did a good job, especially at poking fun at themselves. Again, not much point to this act except watching wacky stuff happen between Homer (who was being rather annoying in this episode) and the rock stars.

3rd Act: Pretty good until they "riot" against Homer. That was pretty stupid (and too cartoonish), but at least they admitted it themselves and apologized to Homer, instead of holding some grudge on Homer forever or something, which is what Scully would have done.

So, I enjoyed this episode, but I don't think it was that great. Personally, I think the whole idea of a "rock and roll star camp" was just completely stupid. I actually thought the camp would be a hallucination of Homer's, since he got high on all that stuff.

Categories this episode falls under:
Yet another Wacky Homer Adventure featuring loudmouth annoying Homer
An excuse to put a ton of guest stars on the show (it kind of seems like the episode was written around the guest stars.

thecapecoddah
11-10-2002, 05:41 PM
3/5, typical Homer episode with an ending I didn't care too much for. However, the guest stars were hilarious - especially the Stones.

2nd act was the strong part of the episode for me.

BangBangBart
11-10-2002, 05:41 PM
hilarious and way better than i thought it would be. my favorite part was the devilmobile chasing homer on the stage heh

Oscar Meyer
11-10-2002, 05:42 PM
2.5/5
Please no more Scully episodes!

lisa_the_greek
11-10-2002, 05:44 PM
When I saw Mike Scully as the episode's writer, I was skeptical. But then I remembered how great he is as a writer. The only thing that bugged me was the rock guys chasing Homer in the end. Couldn't they have gotten on stage with him? That would have been a much more fitting ending.

4/5. Strong season premiere. Loved the couch gag.

rjr711rules
11-10-2002, 05:45 PM
wasnt robbie williams supposed to be in this episode?

Wavy Gravy
11-10-2002, 05:45 PM
Loved it, absolutely loved it. Excellent set-up (seeing Homer trying to get drunk without beer was hilarious, and I'll never look at Disco Stu the same way again). The Rock n' Roll Camp scenes were great - seeing all these minor characters, and the guest stars were hilarious. Homer's performance at the gig was excellent (he actually plays pretty well), and I loved the Devil Car deal. Overall, MUCH MUCH BETTER than last week. IMO, it was good enough to get an A+.

HUGE SURPRISE OF THE NIGHT: Executive Produced by Mike Scully? I knew he wrote it, but how come he was head EP on this one too? (At least Al Jean still had a hand in it, I saw his EP credit at the beginning). Surprisingly good for him.

Anyone have a framegrab for my sig?

FlawlessFlanders
11-10-2002, 05:45 PM
5/5!

I loved that episode. It was full of laughs, and I was quite entertained. The guests also did VERY well.

Smilin'JoeFission
11-10-2002, 05:52 PM
OK, the Simpsons have finally thrown a bunch of rock'n'roll superstars into one episode, can we get some better stuff now? I don't think tonight's episode was even Season 12(the wacky guest-star era) material. The first act felt like it was going somewhere, with Homer's family angry with him, but the 2nd act turned from classic OFF get-ups (Homer screaming upon seeing Santa's Village) to a wacky-fest. Its always fun to see stars poke fun at themselves, but this was nothing special. An entire episode was written around Mel Gibson, and it was awful, Scully did not learn his lesson on this one. However, this is the first episode in a long time, I would have to say has had a better ending than the rest of the half-hour.

Grade: D

Urts
11-10-2002, 05:53 PM
I just finished watching this episode, and all I have to say is: wow! I personally think it was excellent. I actually thought I wasn't going to like it much. "THOH XIII" slightly disappointed me, and it seemed a bit too dependent on guest stars. Yet I really think it succeeded. The whole family was included in a great deal of the episode, and I loved the humanity on Homer's part. He really revealed quite a bit about his character in the taxi. How he wishes he had been a rock star, not a nuclear-power employee. The guest stars seemed very necessary, not forced at all. They were consistently hilarious. However, I do have some gripes about it. Homer was a bit too childish in much of the episode, expecially when he had to leave the camp, and it was a bit too centered on him. Still, I think it was a great episode, which is why I find it troubling that it's getting mixed reviews here.

One question, though. Why did it say "Executive Producer- Mike Scully"? I thought his days were over.

Mr. Plow
11-10-2002, 05:54 PM
He co-executive produced the episode, as well as wrote the episode :).

NoOneFamous
11-10-2002, 05:56 PM
What, hes co-executive producer now??? Dear God no!!!

Kalbelgarion
11-10-2002, 05:56 PM
This was surprisingly good! Looks like Mike Scully still has some writing talent, even if he is usually a lousy exec producer.

First Act: This is a fine was to open Season 14. I really loved how it centered around the whole family. The notes in Homer's Wallet were great opening gags, as were most of Homer's attempts to get "wasted". The spoof of FOX's many "Hidden Camera" shows was terrific, too. My heart was just melting with joy when Homer said how much he loves his family.

Second Act: I'm not familiar enough with the Rolling Stones to understand most of the jokes surrounding the stars, but Homer's antics weren't *too* esentric. I did love the one star trying to convince the campers to take up bass, or any of the other instruments. At the end of this act, however, I was left wondering, "What's left? Where else can they go with this episode?"

Third Act: It was great of the writers to bring back Homer's love for his family and really showcase it at the beginning, middle, and end of this act. I must admit that the Giant Satan was rather stupid, as was the "gag" of Homer driving it.

Overall: Though this episode wasn't as family-centric as "Brawl in the Family", it wasn't as Homer-centric as "Poppa's Got...." I really liked this episode, although some parts made my cringe.

I give this one a 3.5/5 =~ 4/5. It *could* have been better, but it still exceeded my expectations. Mike Scully and Al Jean did a good job on this one. :)

Simpson Purist
11-10-2002, 05:57 PM
The Executive Producer post for Mike Scully is a special gig. It's just like during seasons 8-9 when Jean & Reiss exec. prod. four episodes during those 2 seasons. Don't worry fellas, I'm sure Jean will be back in his post for next week's ep :).

Voodoo Monkey
11-10-2002, 05:58 PM
Good ep, particularily the first act.

I liked the guest stars, and some of the lines, but the 2nd act felt too Scullyish (which makes sense)

Mr. Plow
11-10-2002, 05:58 PM
Al Jean is the main Executive Producer for Season 14. Mike Scully only co-executive produced this one. No worries. :)

Nasty_b
11-10-2002, 05:59 PM
I will have to watch the episode again, like Mr.Plow said. For now I gave it a 3/5. I will edit this post after I watch it a second time.

Handsome Pete
11-10-2002, 06:00 PM
Overall, this episode manages to pull a 3/5. It was definitely better than the last THOH, but still not great. Homer was, unfortunately, a bit a jerk, but the jokes seemed to be a bit better.

The first and third acts were a little disappointing, but the second was actually rather good, despite being set at one of the worst places to be from a comedy standpoint. Some of the training at the camp was rather clever (Richard's comment staying healthy and its irony was particularily funny), and it was actually nice to see guest stars a bit more "Simpsonized" instead of being ultra-realistic. The episode loses a few points due to the devil car towards the ending, but overall, it was good. An improvement over the last episode, anyway.

Pmc325
11-10-2002, 06:03 PM
Didn't like it all. Its one of those episodes where they had too many guest voices. They threw them in one after another with everytime Homer bringing in some lame ass comment. (Ie: Boooring; How many times has that been done???)

It looked like a bunch of skits thrown together without a real plot. Its revealed after Homer gives blood/gets drunk that his dreams were crushed. Goes to Rock Camp and is thrown in a bunch of workshops, which lasted about 1 minute each. Camp is over and Homer is sad. Homer gets to play on stage in benefit concert, but Rock stars get mad for some reason. Riot happens, Homer takes devil car. The end.

I'd give it a 1.5/5. The beginning wasn't too bad...

Mafia
11-10-2002, 06:04 PM
He brought us Lisa On Ice and some other good episodes.

He brings an okay episode.

Much better than last year's premire: Parent Rap
Much better than Scully's last written episode: Homer the Moe


First act was okay. Nothing was really wrong with it.
Second act was good. Homer seemed kind of whiny in it. The guest stars were great.
Third act was good up until the satan thing.


Scully was able to write something that barely happened in his reign of Executive Producer: a satisfying ending.
-By that I mean the ending did not feel extremely rushed. The guests made up for going crazy, Homer realized that he'd rather be with his family... It did not feel rushed like there was one quick scene about Homer commenting on hurting them or something.

I didn't LOL in this episode though except for one moment.

3.5/5 (7/10)

Urts
11-10-2002, 06:07 PM
I wasn't aware that this episode was written by Mike Scully. This just strengthens my belief that he's an excellent writer, but not a great Executive Producer.

InputSelect
11-10-2002, 06:09 PM
I'm surprised there's so many negative comments about this episode. The only part I didn't like was the guest stars going mad for pretty much nothing but it made up at the end. Well anyway I give it a : 4/5

PS:

Hans Barber
11-10-2002, 06:13 PM
id give it a 2\5. i expected worse, not bad. beginning was the best part...it was an overall ok episode. the characters are losing their characteristics though. it seems the writers just throw them in the episodes for the hell of it. also, way too much homer. he had to be the center of attention for everything. its good for recent seasons, but it just isnt like the simpsons anymore.

Jake
11-10-2002, 06:20 PM
Scully, or no Scully, this episode was a basic rehash of the Season Premier's 11 and 12. Homer meets someone famous, gets agitated, and ends up chasing, or is chased, by someone famous. Go ratings. Woo.

Anyway, with my meh-gativity aside, I did truly like the first act and felt bad for Homer and his speech about having broken dreams and a fatting ass. This bit of soul bearing is something that makes an episode feel 'dark', and that is good. Had the episode kept these broken dreams within Springfield, and believabilty, the episode could've been a lot more. But, of course, it's the premier so, it had to loaded with guest stars and it had to be all fun, Fun, FUN!

Grade: D+

Jake

BTW: Futurama's ep tonight was very good, but not the greatest, but it did have the funniest lines:

MAN: "I have a degree in Homopathic medicine!"

ROBOT CAR: "You have a degree in balloney!" (Grade: B)

King of the Hill: VERY funny, and how Dale was actually the voice of reason was a great touch. Kid Rocks appearence was immensly better than his Simpsons spot. Best show of the three tonight. (Grade A-)

Bartman3010
11-10-2002, 06:22 PM
Today's episode was kinda weak. The only few points I'll give is that their new method of animating looks top notch. There was like no animation errors (I.e. dislocated pupils) at all in the show. And you can tell at the times where the animators did a few pieces of eye candy (Like Homer tripping over the log before the rock and roll camp) and now they've added passing cars to some of the moving scenes.

And yes, the guest stars were used very well. Even though I dont know much about the band, they were used very well.

However, there wernt that many funny moments, and the ending was kinda blown up when they chased Homer around with the devil car.

I did kinda like the part where Homer was on Taxi Cab Confessions and had Homer praise his family then bad-mouths about them. I didnt like it totally, but in a way it was pretty good.

The band camp thing was....alright....thats all I have to say about it. Though the 'Running From the Fans" training session was good.

Still, I didnt quite like the jokes. Sometimes, I wasnt even sure of where they were.

And I'm starting to get sick of the writers giving mostly Homer episodes. There isnt enough of any of the townspeople, or even any of the kids anymore. There will be like 1 or 2 Bart episodes VS 11 Homer ones.

Overall, I'm going to give this a 2 out of 5. There wernt any memorable moments, but the animation is good, and the guest stars were used well. But thats it.

Tomacco
11-10-2002, 06:23 PM
My guess is Scully got to exec produce and write (and stick himself into the bathroom lineup) because maybe he's leaving the show after the official production season 13 (since DABF22 is the last episode of the "season").

Well, the episode had a Scully feeling for the most part. Trade-mark annoying Homer and a wacky chaotic chase scene, which I disliked. Luckily, it redeemed itself a bit with Homer expressing love for his family.

The first act of the episode I thought was outstanding. It was full of fresh bits, like the wallet gag, and the Disco Stu thing, plus a satire of Taxicab Confessions (replacing the monkey show). The setup was actually very good, IMO, using good characterization. So, the episode was great until Homer went to rock and roll camp.

I thought act 2 was the worst part of the episode, because Homer's antics got on my nerves - with his singing, yelling, and flinging things around. The guest stars didn't do too much for me throughout the entire episode.

The third act was decent, but as I mentioned - the chase scene blew. Overall, the episode was probably a even 3/5 for me, but I'm going to watch it again, and maybe it'll get better in my eyes, like last week. It was a bit haunting though how Scully made a return to the helm after I was getting used to Jean's style. Well, I'm looking really forward to next week's ep.

PS: I was disappointed with Futurama tonight. I thought some of the jokes were too lame, and the blowing gas was childish. King of the Hill wasn't its best either.

Jimo Jones
11-10-2002, 06:28 PM
Whos the director of this episode

sii
11-10-2002, 06:29 PM
Hey dudes! I missed the EP, is there any way I can DL it??

Jake
11-10-2002, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Tomacco
The first act of the episode I thought was outstanding. It was full of fresh bits, like the wallet gag, and the Disco Stu thing, plus a satire of Taxicab Confessions (replacing the monkey show). The setup was actually very good, IMO, using good characterization. So, the episode was great until Homer went to rock and roll camp.



Good lord...we actually share the same opinion... :uhh: :-O

I'm scared.

Jake

VED
11-10-2002, 06:33 PM
Not Bad.

The first act was generally good. Homer's confession was the best part. It was dark, deep and touching. Even though it was Homer's typical crazy adventure ep, this at least gave him some depth. Also, it was influenced by alcohol. I like that as alcohol is one of the most common ways that people break their exterior persona and allow other to see their true self. Maybe i'm looking a bit too deep into this, I just really liked the satire.

One thing really bothered me in the first act and it was the superficial behaviur of OFF. They didn't seem like a family, but just people living under the same roof.

Second act was decent. Guest stars were properly used, and had couple of funny lines. (crotch stuffing, generic rock, my image...)

Again it bothered me the way Marge and the kids acted when they were driving Homer to the camp. Something very unrealistic and unnatural. It bothers me more than whackiness on the show.

Thir act was also decent with the exception of Homer being chased on stage. Again Homer was given some development as a character and some depth by puting his family first. The last joke was the best where Homer drives the kids to school in the Devil's head. Good Stuff!

Overall: 6.5-7/10

Jason
11-10-2002, 06:33 PM
2/5. Not a great eppy, i hope this isn't an example of what the whole season will be like.

skittlebrau
11-10-2002, 06:34 PM
Plenty of laugh out loud moments throughout the whole episode. I think the guest stars did a great job on their voicework. The episode was a little down here and there, but otherwise great. 4/5

Rob G
11-10-2002, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Mafia


Much better than last year's premire: Parent Rap


Cannot agree. I actually didn't mind The Parent Rap... and I loved Bart's speech at the end (and the way it was wrapped up nicely).

This was 22 minutes of Homer acting like a jackass.

Blinky
11-10-2002, 06:36 PM
what exactly does an EP do?

VED
11-10-2002, 06:36 PM
sorry for the horrid spelling, i wrote that in one minute

Jake
11-10-2002, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Blinky
what exactly does an EP do?

Extended Player. It's a title given to a person who's tenure with the show was supposedly over, but has returned in some form or another. :)

Actually, it's Executive Producer (aka Lead writer)


Jake

VED
11-10-2002, 06:42 PM
How many people found Homer's stage dive to be one of the funniest moments of the show? I laughed my guts out.

rocio
11-10-2002, 06:42 PM
I'm no Simpsons nerd. (cough)

I give it a 4/5 because it made me laugh, plain and simple. Disco Stu (big plus there) as well as Elvis Costello's remark about his image. And my fave quote would be, "Couldn't you find a more fuel efficient Satan?" - Lenny Kravitz.

I liked it a lot. Homer drooling on his All Access pass... greatness.

-Ro

Bob Underdunk T
11-10-2002, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Blinky
what exactly does an EP do?

They basically put everything together - like movie producers. They get the script from someone, they get the director, the make sure everything is done the way they want, and that everything happens...etc...

3/5 The first half of act one was the best. I'm not disappointed though, because it was just I as I thought it would be, with guest stars as themselves.

deadperson
11-10-2002, 06:47 PM
can i be your friend

Simpson Purist
11-10-2002, 06:47 PM
Just some questions and answers here:

-To the person who asked who directed the episode, it was Mike B. Anderson.
-Mike Scully did not write Homer The Moe, it was Dana Gould (Poppa's Got...)

What was the point of the thing Keith and Mick did during the end credits? It was amusing yet weird.

Kefka
11-10-2002, 06:55 PM
Good episode. The Guest Stars weren't used as bad as I thought they would, except at the end when they jumped on the Devil head, and then Homer getting to Drive the kids to school on it. I didn't like that.

I give this a 4/5

DotheBartman
11-10-2002, 06:56 PM
You know, that comment someone made about it reminding them of KTAAR really was right...in fact, this entire episode felt like a retread of past stuff.

Kill the Alligator, Beyond Blunderdome, Tale of Two Springfields, etc:
Homer acts like complete jackass, and, as Jake said, ends up either chasing or being chased by celebrities (a concept already done without them, like in Missionary Impossible, Guess who's coming to..etc.).

The Otto Show: Anyone notice how REUSED that joke with the devil was? Equating an image of the devil with rock music has already been done.

Homerpalooza: Homer hanging with rock stars. Him wanting to be part of "the scene" was also an entirely reused concept.

Overall I honestly really hated this one. All the "touching emotional" stuff people have mentioned felt extremely plastic to me (I was at first hopeful when I heard that sad music and saw a depressed Homer walk out of the plant, but even then the awful car scene ruined it), and the celebrities were all awful. They couldn't voice act to save their lives. Even OFF's voice acting seems really bad in this one (anyone notice a problem with Marge's voice acting lately?). And in terms of humor, the mildly funny "public schools" song was one of the only things worth so much as chuckling about.

2/5, or D-

And Mike Scully wrote AND produced this one? No wonder it felt so Scully-esque.....I honestly hope he's leaving for good.

Btw, Futurama also felt a little weak by its own standards, but on the whole was very entertaining (gotta love Harry Potter and the Balance of Earth). Grade: B, making it Futurama: 1, Simpsons: 0 so far this season.

Tirefire
11-10-2002, 06:58 PM
Pretty average ep that had some ok moments. I give it 2.5/5 leaning towards 2.

Datoupee
11-10-2002, 07:05 PM
Once again, I'm here to mess up the poll for everyone who didn't like it.... I thought it was great 10/10 !!! All acts went together nicely and had a great emotional family story pulling things together. A+++

Hans Barber
11-10-2002, 07:08 PM
Agreed Rob G.

Pissed Off
11-10-2002, 07:17 PM
where can i D/L the EP

Tomacco
11-10-2002, 07:18 PM
Heheh, I've never bothered to say anything, Tino, but do you love EVERY single episode? It's okay to dislike, or even just LIKE a few of them here and there. Heheh.

Pissed Off
11-10-2002, 07:22 PM
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DotheBartman
11-10-2002, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Pissed Off
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1. Be patient. The episode just aired, so its not likely that many have been put online just yet.

2. Obviously no one who's looked here already knows, so again, just be patient. If someone actually knows, maybe they'll tell you (though being annoying and posting that phrase over and over wont likely help that possibility).

3. The episode will probably reair within the next few months anyway, not to mention get shown at nauseum once season 14 goes into syndication.

Cole
11-10-2002, 07:37 PM
This could cost me some Simpson elitist points...but I liked this episode. I admit it. Chalk it up as a guilty pleasure. I could spot the weak points in the writing, the plot wholes, the rehashed bits, but, somehow, as a whole, I found the episode to be just plain...fun. Maybe it was seeing rock stars like Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Elvis Costello, and Tom Petty -- artists that I have admired for a very long time. I guess I got caught up in the stardom. Here is my brief review of the acts:

First Act: Definitely the highlight of the episode. As Tomacco mentioned: the Disco Stu scene, the wallet bit, and Homer's confession were all terrific. Homer's creative ways of avoiding paying Moe for his intoxication were also great. The opening act seemed to be moving at slower, relaxed pace which I think helped set up a strong foundation for the following act. 5/5

Second Act: The guest stars saved this act. It had some pretty silly scenes coupled with some very annoying actions performed by Homer but the guest voice talent was able to save it here. My personal favorite of the rock star scenes would definitely have to be Tom Petty trying to teach the group about songwriting. There were some great lines from Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, as well. I was very skeptical about the amount of time I had heard the guest stars would receive, but as I stated earlier, I felt they saved the act. 4/5

Third Act: I was really enjoying it up until the introduction of the "Satan head." Things definitely went down hill from here. The rock stars all jumping on it and then the ridiculous chase scene that followed left a bad taste in my mouth. Having them apologize to Homer was a nice thing to see, though. And the line about their gig tomorrow benefiting the victims of tonight's gig cracked me up. Tom Petty losing his toe was slightly disturbing, but didn't take away too much from the moment. Homer setting fire to Skinner towards then end was what I thought would be a terrible ending; however, seeing Jagger mowing his yard and Richards working on his house was a nice ending. Richards pouring a "something" into his drink at the end was another nice touch, I felt. And at the very end, seeing the stars do their voices over the credits was a classy way to end it. It definitely helped save the final act from receiving a failing grade from me. 3/5

Overall: 4/5. As I said at the beginning of my review, this was definitely a 'guilty pleasure' episode for me; just plain fun and I will be looking forward to watching it many times over. Very nice to see after what I felt was a disappointing THOH.

skittlebrau
11-10-2002, 07:46 PM
Why would you consider it a "guilty pleasure", Cole? I thought it was great, too!

Mr. Plow
11-10-2002, 07:50 PM
Sure, the plot doesnt seem that great. And Homer being annoying and childish is getting a bit repetitive. Either way, tonight's episode was funny. I was either laughing or chuckling or giggling the whole time. It's the 14th season, and I'm happy enough to see that the Simpsons can still be funny :).

jagrmeister
11-10-2002, 07:50 PM
Not a good episode at all. Pretty lousy attempts at humour. Hopefully, things will be better in the upcoming episode. Just curious...for those who actually found this episode humorous, what gags did you particularly find funny?

Cole
11-10-2002, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Skittlebrau
Why would you consider it a "guilty pleasure", Cole? I thought it was great, too!

Perhaps I was being a little too over-dramatic with that phrase. But, I'm usually one who harshly criticizes episodes for being unrealistic and scrutinizes plot holes, weak writing, and whatnot. This episode had all of the above at times, but as a whole, I still found it to be extremely enjoyable. It was an episode that I felt wasn't meaningful or truly terrific by any standards -- but just plain fun. Seeing all these fellow fans of the episode, though, definitely makes me feel less 'guilty'. 8-)

NoOneFamous
11-10-2002, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by DotheBartman
(anyone notice a problem with Marge's voice acting lately?)

Yes! Her voice gets on my nervous almost as much as Homer's whining and screaming! Marge's voice has developed into a constantly sarcastic sounding, fake, sing-songy voice. Her voice used to be more mellow and down to earth, but now its so fake sounding that its hard to take anything she says seriously.

Channel Surfer
11-10-2002, 08:15 PM
Not bad, but not great. Better then Futurama, but worse then KOTH though.

The biggest issue I had with this episode was plot structure. The middle act in particular was set up as mini skits comprised of various jokes...some that worked, some that didn't. Probably the best season premiere in 4 years however.

On a scale of 0-10, I'd give it a 7.5 (average), which rounds to a 4/5 over here.

Bubble Crum
11-10-2002, 08:41 PM
4/5 very creative and enjoyable as usual, and they didn't have to refer to perverted jokes. The Simpsons is still better than 9/10 of everything out there and they have not "jumped the shark" other than in the couch gag.

Andy
11-10-2002, 08:45 PM
http://www.jumptheshark.com/s/simpsons.htm

The couch gag already got 5 votes in the official JTS poll.

The Gump Roast shark jump, by comparison, has 46 votes.

*Waylon Smithers*
11-10-2002, 09:09 PM
4/5 . I loved the beginning, about up until the Taxi Cab Conversations. Total rip-off of SNL. Funny, but a rip-off. From there it went just a little downhill until the concert part, where it rose a little. I would've given it a perfect score but Smither and Burns had no lines in this episode. Two episodes that I saw tonight (Homer VS. Dignity and Weekend at Burnsie's) are two of my favorites, balancing out this evening, along with the new KOTH, a 4.5/5 Sunday night of television.

Jake
11-10-2002, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Bubble Crum
4/5 very creative and enjoyable as usual, and they didn't have to refer to perverted jokes. The Simpsons is still better than 9/10 of everything out there and they have not "jumped the shark" other than in the couch gag.

The guys were molesting the female groupie cutouts and that's NOT perverted? As for Jumping the shark, I'd like to use this quote:

"If you consider the show as nothing but a bunch of stupid drawings of bizarre cartoon clowns you can still enjoy it and laugh about almost every new episode..." -- Chris Philer.

--

Jake

BG
11-10-2002, 09:14 PM
Very cool episode! It lost points in plot but made them up with all the jokes and guest star moments! Also i loved the Devil car bit-very funny! in conclusion i give it a 4/5!
oh and Chris Philer is a moron!

davidshirt
11-10-2002, 09:40 PM
Eh, it was alright. Why is that a show like King of The Hill can have really good pacing throughout an episode, while the Simpsons seemed to have everything thrown at you and everything just seems to happen so suddenly? I don't know. There were a few good gags but that was about all.

I'm also finding it hard to get used to this seasons animation. The warmth is gone, and now everything is just so crisp and clean.. I dunno how to explain it.

Jake
11-10-2002, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by davidshirt
I'm also finding it hard to get used to this seasons animation. The warmth is gone, and now everything is just so crisp and clean.. I dunno how to explain it.

Because when there's no humor, you start to notice things that you normally wouldn't if you were laughing.

Jake

StrideR
11-10-2002, 09:56 PM
Let me put it this way, it was the best episode of the season. That's about all I can say for it. Truth be told, it's not the worst I've been subjected to, and there was a funny moment or two. The guests were pretty decent too. But, I wouldn't call it a good, much less a great episode. Well, it's almost official: Not even Al Jean can.

Jake
11-10-2002, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by BG
oh and Chris Philer is a moron!

Could you please explain how Chris is a 'moron'?

|RABiD|
11-10-2002, 10:00 PM
A rather enjoyable episode. Act one and up until homer got to rock n roll camp was spectacular. Classic simpsons territory. But the episode slightly dragged afterwards. Very funny when it was and I thought I'd never see Homer being chased by celebrities again. But it is a Mike Scully episode. And that scene was short. Excellent ending. Better than the THOH. It gets an 8.8/10.

DotheBartman
11-10-2002, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Jake


Could you please explain how Chris is a 'moron'?

Yeah, one would think that actually THINKING wouldn't make one moron material. BG, you don't even have to agree with his opinions, but to say that he's a moron for expressing them (particularly when he does so with so much thought and eloquence...and all with, I understand, english not even being his main language!) is unfair. Judging by the way he usually says things, I doubt he'd stoop to calling you a moron for thinking the show is as good as ever. That's just low.

homer5000
11-10-2002, 10:41 PM
GREAT! I don't care what they say! I don't care about Jump The Shark! All they say is:

A "Jump-the-Shark"er watches "The Simpsons", actually, it is supposed to start:

Singers: The Simp--
Jump-The-Sharker: I hate it!! It is so horrible!! What was that??

Okay...that's over, but it was great. Especially the great first act. And, at the beginning of Act II, when Homer screams at Santa's Village...4/5...

StrideR
11-10-2002, 10:44 PM
For that unfounded statement, I'd call BG a moron, but it'd be overkill.

PAZterofPuppets
11-10-2002, 11:31 PM
Maybe I've watched too many Simpsons episodes, but some of the jokes are predictable. For example the joke about Bart saying IRS, I totally called Homer saying "What IRS"...do you know why? Because they did it like a zillion times before.

Some funny jokes, but it seemed like they took forever to get to the point. Usually the plot is established in the first act, but it took until the middle of the second to do that...and I noticed there was no subplot??!?

The guest stars were funny, with the bass gag and the toe gag, and the Planet Hollywood gag. I also noticed lack of into this episode...eh whatever...there is always next week!

2 out of 5 yo!

Jessfrogger88
11-11-2002, 06:38 AM
Back in the gold ole days this would have gotten a 1.5 but I was rather impressed with what I saw it looked like a step up from season 13. I just think this episode had a bad case of TMG Too Many Guest Stars. But im glad homer went back to his family in the end. Not really that good but a step in the right direction im looking for next week to be better. I give this a 3/5 or 6/10

Kamikaze_chimp
11-11-2002, 07:51 AM
A decent episode but the plot pretty much sucked with no real progression and absolutely no subplot. It was pretty funny but the plot just wasnt very interesting. I also didn't like homers frog joke at the beginning, pretty stupid.

Overall a decent ep i give it a 6.5/10(voting for 3/5)

Jake
11-11-2002, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by homer5000
GREAT! I don't care what they say! I don't care about Jump The Shark! All they say is:

A "Jump-the-Shark"er watches "The Simpsons", actually, it is supposed to start:

Singers: The Simp--
Jump-The-Sharker: I hate it!! It is so horrible!! What was that??



WTF? :-O

frldgf
11-11-2002, 09:31 AM
This episode was amazing, probably the best one since I am furious yellow.

Act 1
-The car chase scene had me laughing for a long time
-The wallet notes were hilarious
-It was nice to see Homer saying nice things about is famly
Grade 5/5

Act 2
-It seemed that the guest stars were what kept this act going, kinda bothered me
-SSSSSIIMMMPPPPSSSSSOOOOOOONNNNNNN was so funny
-Elvis costello showing out how cool bass is...
4.5/5

Act 3
Satan was probably the funnuest part, from the red eyes to the family car.
-The toe gag also was very funny.
5/5

Couch Gag
-Funny in a weird way
3.5/5

Final Grade 5/5 (Almost)

Bubble Crum
11-11-2002, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Jake


The guys were molesting the female groupie cutouts and that's NOT perverted? As for Jumping the shark, I'd like to use this quote:

"If you consider the show as nothing but a bunch of stupid drawings of bizarre cartoon clowns you can still enjoy it and laugh about almost every new episode..." -- Chris Philer.

--

Jake

I might watch it again because "molesting" is definitely NOT the word I would use. It looked to be like they were just kissing the cut-outs lightly. Nothing close to last weeks beastiality moment. And by "jump the shark" I ment because they jumped over a shark in the couch gag. I didn't even know of the concept before yesterday and someone had to explain it to me in a thread.

forgetaboutme
11-11-2002, 11:16 AM
To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised. After last week's terrible Halloween ep, I was expecting the worst. While, granted, it was mostly very forgettable, I found myself laughing out loud at a fair number of the gags, and the couch gag left me on the floor. Even those who despised the episode have gotta admit it'll be better than the Blink-182 one coming up later this year. (groan)

Overall? A generous 3/5.

Mike
11-11-2002, 11:40 AM
<--- WAS OUT LAST NIGHT AND NEEDS THE DOWNLOAD

Old Time Bike
11-11-2002, 11:43 AM
3/5
not horrible, not great,good laughs here and there and the plot was ok.

Kr4zy4ssBoych
11-11-2002, 12:07 PM
i loved it when homer said "I LOVE YOU , I LOVE YOU , I LOVE"

|RABiD|
11-11-2002, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by forgetaboutme
Even those who despised the episode have gotta admit it'll be better than the Blink-182 one coming up later this year. (groan)


Because you've seen the blink-182 episode right?

Tomacco
11-11-2002, 12:24 PM
Don't prejudge the episode, but even the plot to the Blink-182 episode sounds better and more developped than last night's ep's.

NoOneFamous
11-11-2002, 12:27 PM
You know what? I think that this episode is a perfect example of a good portion of what is wrong with The Simpsons these days. Whenever someone writes an article about The Simpsons, they mention how "the show has become a place for Celebrities to get publicity and have some fun mocking themselves." and that couldn't be more true. It seems that any episode in which a guest star plays themselves and has a lot of screentime in an episode, the episode seems like it was written around them. Its almost like the guest stars ask to be on the show, and the writers instantly say "ok, we'll start writing an episode based around you and your stardom!" This is why I really hope that guest star episodes like this one only come along once in awhile now.

Mafia
11-11-2002, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Simpson Purist
Just some questions and answers here:

-Mike Scully did not write Homer The Moe, it was Dana Gould (Poppa's Got...)


my bad. it was the parent rap.



The warmth is gone, the new animation will be hard to get used to

WTH? Several people mentioned about the new animation and how it looks so different.... IT DIDN'T CHANGE YET! It doesn't start till December's Great Louse Detective or Special Edna (depending if Great Louse isn't pushed back in the year). To the best of my knowledge, most of that episode was not digital. Some parts coulda been.


meh. 3rd Grade looks good if not repitive of Lisa wanting to get upped and Bart getting left back/pushed back grade(s).

BG
11-11-2002, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Jake


Could you please explain how Chris is a 'moron'?

I only said that cuz i thought he wuz dissing the simpsons.

Blue Phoenix
11-11-2002, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by BG


I only said that cuz i thought he wuz dissing the simpsons.

..............Right.

Look before you take shots at a person you know nothing about perhaps you should ask who he is first.

http://members.aol.com/chris84792//simp.htm

This is his website and it has several articles on the show. His veiw is shared by many of the old school fans. He says in a very eloquent manner what many of us feel. It is rather impressive given english is not his native tounge.

If I may offer a bit of advice, and this not to be condescending, spell out the words your writing it's 'because' and 'was' the chatroom slang terminology/spelling doesn't make your arguments look mature or well thought out.

Simpson Purist
11-11-2002, 12:58 PM
While I do think that Chris Philer's views are a tad extreme, he does have many very good points about the downfall of the show. I consider him to be the ultimate Simpson purist.

Paranoid Android
11-11-2002, 01:18 PM
I might of chuckled one or two times on this episode. The devil head thing was a little loony tunes like. Homer was the center of the storyline again, and being a jackass again. The family was pushed to the background, and were acting a little strange to me. 2/5

"Yes i Cannibus"
11-11-2002, 01:24 PM
i loved this episode, it was os funny

what i liked:

taxi cab confession
Jagger teaching to dance
nomer getting drunk on other stuff

what i disliked"

tom petty's school song

Lady2Hotty
11-11-2002, 01:44 PM
I liked this ep. It showed some good potential for the season. The guest stars were better than I expected, it had me laughing all the way through. Now I am anxious to see how the new season can stand on its own without the use of five guest stars. I am tempted to give this a 4, maybe a 5/5...

Eddie
11-11-2002, 01:53 PM
Oh...my...God. I am stunned. That plot was...decent. The characters...were in character. The animation was...good. I laughed! Laughed, for cryin' out loud! :D I haven't continually laughed at any Simpsons episode since Season Eleven. I expected more third-rate crap...but this was actually a decent episode. WOW! I feel like an idiot after all the bitter, angry posts I've made about the current Simpsons stature.

3/5

King Lear
11-11-2002, 01:59 PM
I wasn't expecting much from this episode but I sure got a lot :D Homer was wacky (something I typically dislike) yet the episode itself was very hilarious. Nothing wrong, nothing I would change much. Great guest stars. 4/5!

Stina
11-11-2002, 02:04 PM
I gave it a 3/5

Mafia
11-11-2002, 02:30 PM
i didn't like Lisa in for one or two of her scenes. There was a little too much emphasis put on Lisa's voice. I found myself saying, "Wow... Lisa really must be taking acting lessons." The other scene was less noticeable.

StrideR
11-11-2002, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by ComixFan15
Oh...my...God. I am stunned. That plot was...decent. The characters...were in character. The animation was...good. I laughed! Laughed, for cryin' out loud! :D I haven't continually laughed at any Simpsons episode since Season Eleven. I expected more third-rate crap...but this was actually a decent episode. WOW! I feel like an idiot after all the bitter, angry posts I've made about the current Simpsons stature.

3/5

So, you've gone over to the dark side, haven't you? ;)

Mike Scully
11-11-2002, 03:44 PM
Hmm, an OK episode. The storyline was a bit boring, and I got a little annoyed by Homer acting overly childish. But the guest stars were, honestly, rather fun.

An enjoyable, but forgettable episode.

C+

kupomog
11-11-2002, 04:27 PM
Kweh...I liked the Taxicab Confessions reference, that's about it. 2/5, no more, (possibly) no less.

Tomacco
11-11-2002, 04:46 PM
Ignorant me! Just found out It's Only Rock n' Roll, But I Like It is a Rolling Stones song! :LOL: The writers did a good job with that joke! If you don't get it, it slips by you and you think nothing of it. It actually works on two levels, because I found it kinda funny to begin with because Homer's reaction was like that of a little kid, so it works on two levels. Great joke!

Maddog53
11-11-2002, 05:33 PM
I gave this episode a 4/5. By no means will this episode ever become a classic, but I found myself laughing and there were some truly sincere (or at least I felt there was) emotional moments in this ep.

Like a lot of the people I disliked the Satan's head segment, and I found a few of the guest stars more than a touch annoying (i.e. Petty, Setzer, and especially Kravitz).

One beef I have with previous reviews on this page is the statement that the plot didn't fit together and I have to greatly disagree. Homer gives his blood to try and get drunk faster, when he awakes the next night he and the family see Taxicab Conversations where he is on and says that he loves his family yet can sometimes get on his nerves, he also says that he wanted to be a rock star when he was younger, the family sends Homer to Fantasy Camp, Homer is taught by some rock stars, gets invited to appear on stage, discovers he is only the sound check guy, is stealing the show, rock stars chase after him, it causes a riot, Homer decides that he likes his family better than the rock star life. I thought that it all fitted together perfectly, whether you liked the episode or not is entirely up to you but saying the plot doesn't go together is dumb.

Finally, I believe it was Jake that said that KOTH used their celebrity voices better than OFF. I have to totally disagree with you. Pamela Anderson was good but Kid Rock was totally wasted and added nothing at all to the show. What was he there for? At least on The Simpsons all the celebrity voices had a reason to be on the show, Kid Rock was not.

Anyway those are my thoughts.

Maddog.

Busty St.Clair
11-11-2002, 06:57 PM
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
FAVORITE EP SO FAR!!! Mick and Keith were HYSTERICAL!!! I loved the voice-overs,and the guests,and the ending,and the songs,and the funny parts,and the...funny parts... :uhh: It was good! :D
FAVE QUOTES:
Keith Richards:Now,before I lock this door,do you have to go to the bathroom?
Mick Jagger:No,I'm fine.

Tom Petty:See that drunk girl speedin' down the street-
Guys:Yeah!
Petty:She's worried 'bout the state of public schools.
Guys:Boo!
Petty:She likes to party,she likes to rock-
Guys:Yeah!
Petty:She prays that our schools don't run out of chalk.
Guys:Boo!

Lenny Kravitz:Hear that,everybody? Apu asked about crotch stuffing.Now,I don't do it.Kenny Loggins does.
Kenny Loginns:I TRUSTED YOU!!! (Runs off crying)

Mick Jagger:SIMPSON!!!

Keith Richards:You know you're all here for one reason-
Homer:To rock!
Keith:Who said that?!
Homer: (Points at Otto)
Keith:That's right,Otto! We're here to rock!

Keith:They're bloody cardboard!
Homer:We know!

Mick:It's only rock n' roll camp.
Homer:But I like it.

Funny as Hell!!! ;-Q

SNUH
11-11-2002, 07:18 PM
I rated it high (5)...because it was a lot of fun! It wasn't really a "great" episode...but a lot of fun for the "mature audience."

Jake
11-11-2002, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by Maddog53
Pamela Anderson was good but Kid Rock was totally wasted and added nothing at all to the show. What was he there for? At least on The Simpsons all the celebrity voices had a reason to be on the show, Kid Rock was not.


Pam's getting wed to Kid Rock so I guess that had a lot to do with those two both being on.

Jake

Tomacco
11-11-2002, 08:00 PM
KOTH was very below-average yesterday, mainly because it had an odd feel to it somehow. The beginning with Bill's date was taken right out of the classic "Pretty Pretty Dresses" episode. Bill's relationship with the groupie was like when Lenore returned in "Hank and the Great Glass Elevator". Dale's trauma was like his fear of the dummy in "Now Who's the Dummy?". It all felt awkward to me.

Regardless of the fact that Kid Rock is marrying Pam, he didn't belong in the episode at all. He was always just standing around doing nothing. Kid Rock and eating contests? It's just as random and stupid as Butch Patrick on The Simpsons.

Channel Surfer
11-11-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Maddog53
One beef I have with previous reviews on this page is the statement that the plot didn't fit together and I have to greatly disagree. Homer gives his blood to try and get drunk faster, when he awakes the next night he and the family see Taxicab Conversations where he is on and says that he loves his family yet can sometimes get on his nerves, he also says that he wanted to be a rock star when he was younger, the family sends Homer to Fantasy Camp, Homer is taught by some rock stars, gets invited to appear on stage, discovers he is only the sound check guy, is stealing the show, rock stars chase after him, it causes a riot, Homer decides that he likes his family better than the rock star life. I thought that it all fitted together perfectly, whether you liked the episode or not is entirely up to you but saying the plot doesn't go together is dumb.

Maddog.

Here's my origonal post, just to work with what I said.

Not bad, but not great. Better then Futurama, but worse then KOTH though.

The biggest issue I had with this episode was plot structure. The middle act in particular was set up as mini skits comprised of various jokes...some that worked, some that didn't. Probably the best season premiere in 4 years however.

On a scale of 0-10, I'd give it a 7.5 (average), which rounds to a 4/5 over here.

While I did say the plot structure was weak, it wasn't to be taken that the acts were disjointed. Rather, I was referring to segment 2 of the episode, which were more or less comprised of various skits (using my own words) in which some were funny, some weren't, but didn't advance the plot. The plot structure between the 3 acts was similar to that of most "Simpsons" episodes, a first act where jokes have little to do with the main point of the episode, but by the end, the viewer knows what to expect in the next segment. Segments 2 and 3 are then devoted to the main plot.

I don't know if you were specifically referring to me (you never specified), but I want to clear up any confusion my previous post may have caused if it indeed was my own.

I gave it a 4/5, and I still stand by that. And great review back at tvtome (http://www.tvtome.com) Maddog.

Channel Surfer
11-11-2002, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Simpson Purist
While I do think that Chris Philer's views are a tad extreme, he does have many very good points about the downfall of the show. I consider him to be the ultimate Simpson purist.

This is a bit of a side question, but is this the same Chris Pfeiler provided on this link (http://ufoinfo.com/ufopsi/13/issue13.htm ).

In any case, I've always enjoyed reading his views (as well as "The Jolly Bengali's" views) on his web page. I don't think the web site has been updated in a while though.

Bubble Crum
11-11-2002, 08:32 PM
Did anyone like the fact Maggie fell down when leaving Homer mad? Brings back memories...

Gagnonsux
11-11-2002, 09:35 PM
I'm really surprised to see so many people giving this episode a positive review. I didn't think it was terrible, but it felt like a typical Scully episode which made it seem mediocre to me. Usually all the fans hate Scullyish episodes like this one. Oh well, maybe people miss some of the wackiness in hindsight. As for me, bring on "Bart Vs. Lisa and the 3rd Grade".

Ziff
11-11-2002, 09:46 PM
No sir, I didn't like it because too much of the plot revolved around the celebrity guests. It was much better when the writers would work the guests into the show so intricately so that you could barely tell they were in there. Tons of unfunny and tired jokes in this one as well. I remember the days when the Simpsons weren't just must-watch for me, but also must-tape because there were so many sight gags that you couldn't catch them all the first time you watched. Now the show is a listen-to-in-the-background-while-surfing-the-net deal.

2/5

StrideR
11-11-2002, 10:38 PM
Yeah... classic episodes were re-watchable because you couldn't catch everything on first viewing. Newer episodes only seem funnier on second viewing, because we've gotten over the shock of seeing how crappy they are.

Matty
11-12-2002, 12:16 AM
The quality of this episode confused and inferiouted me. It kept going up and down faster than a rollercoaster:

Couch gag: Great! Hilarious
Act 1 first half: Lame
Act 1 second half: Great
Act 2 first bit (till Rock n Roll Camp): Great
Act 2 Rock n Roll Camp bit: Homer annoyed me so much it hurt my bones. He as a total 5 year old retard. Blegh. The celebrities, especially the stones, partially made up for it
Act 3 first half: Pretty much pathetic except for some all access jokes
Act 3 end: Great! Sweet Homer here, and I for one digged the Devil Car ending and the crazy end credits

You know it's a bad thing when the celebrities are funnier than Homer. Overall it was an even episode, better than I though it would be and better than the last two premieres, but if only Homer was his true self troughout the whole ep... 3/5

Futurama on the other hand was fantastic tonight. Dehydrated water? Genius!

PrinceBejeeta
11-12-2002, 02:54 AM
I didn't like this episode much at all it started off alright with the nice couch gag and the first act not being too bad but when it got to the rock and roll camp I started to dislike the episode the guest stars were ok but nothing outta this world but overall towards the end this episode started to get better again I really liked the homer devil car thing at the end.

I'll give this a 3/5 because it did have some good parts. I also saw this weeks futurama which I thought was much much better then this weeks simpsons.

Maddog53
11-12-2002, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Channel Surfer:I don't know if you were specifically referring to me (you never specified), but I want to clear up any confusion my previous post may have caused if it indeed was my own.

I was not only trageting you but various people. Thank-you for clearing up your position, though, that helped me understand your stance better, and an even bigger thank-you for plugging my review on tvtome before I did.

Maddog.

Crazy Leprechaun
11-12-2002, 12:44 PM
Decent for the amount of episodes they have made.

Wiggle Puppy
11-12-2002, 03:10 PM
I gave it 4/5. It had a good plot and I was laughing for pretty much the whole episode. I missed a few lines because I was laughing out loud and I didn't hear them. Very promising start to a new season.

Evan Conover
11-12-2002, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by lisa_the_greek
When I saw Mike Scully as the episode's writer, I was skeptical. But then I remembered how great he is as a writer.

As much as I hate Scully as well, he sure can put together some well-written scripts. I didn't like the one X-mas ep he wrote where Bart steals Bonestorm from the Try N Save, but he made the ep at least make sense, especially the (i hate using this next word in a mushy way) sweet ending where Bart gets his picture taken to make up for the family pic.

Simpson Purist
11-12-2002, 07:03 PM
Anybody know how this episode did in the ratings? Was it better or worse than THOH XIII? I assumed it did a tad worse, but you never know.

DotheBartman
11-12-2002, 08:19 PM
As I said in another thread, at this point I only think he USED to be a good writer. Lets face it: every episode that didn't suck that he had his writing credit on it since "The Homega Man" also featured one or more other writers to have their input in, and even all of those co-op episodes were either mediocre or sucked (Parent Rap, Sunday Cruddy Sunday, Beyond Blunderdome...). Really the only really good episode he's partially written was Behind the Laughter, and that episode gets progressively worse every time I watch it.

Matty
11-12-2002, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Simpson Purist
Anybody know how this episode did in the ratings? Was it better or worse than THOH XIII? I assumed it did a tad worse, but you never know.

FOX went with the season premiere of "The Simpsons," 7.1/11

wee raging wilie
11-13-2002, 01:26 AM
3/5 The funny part was the devil car.. The rest of it was not very funny

larouda
11-13-2002, 06:05 AM
Is it on Kazaa yet?

necrulez
11-13-2002, 08:05 AM
nope....it isn't.... :(

D'oh'ses
11-13-2002, 08:10 AM
kids are rough, i give this a 4.5/5. my favorite part was the tom petty song about school, just the way he said it was hilarious. also the part when mcjagger yells out the window at homer. VERY good episode, best on season 14 (so far, hahaha)
also, i just got Dazzle, so now i am recored shows from TV to the comp, ill have them on kazaa soon

thealmightypog
11-13-2002, 03:26 PM
i dont, kenny loggins does though....
i told u that in confidence!

Brian S.
11-14-2002, 11:03 AM
i thought it was quite a good episode, i laughed a couple times, like when mick yelled, 'SIMPSOONNN!" and when Homer went around with his backstage pass, in particular, into the women's bathroom, heh.

4/5 = 80% = B

brentholomew
11-14-2002, 12:22 PM
I have never disagreed with so many people on an episode before. I thought this episode was great, the 1st and 2nd acts kicked ass, but the 3rd was kind of weak. Either way,it was a fun episode. I can't see why episodes like the Brazil one got so much praise when Homer's antics were even worse. I guess I'll never know.

4/5

666th post :devil: :devil:

BG
11-14-2002, 02:44 PM
Okay lets all be like Chris and lets look at the negitive things in the show.Lets all be ignorent and try to convince everybody how the simpsons suck! thats what i hate about critics all they do is complain much like you people! there are a very few people on this board who have anything positive to say about the simpsons!I mean all you people do is complain give it bad ratings and you call your selves fans.Im not saying you shouldnt point out the shows flaws but you could be at least a litle more positive and you could stick up for a show you like instead of bashing it. Ill admit it was a tad harsh calling Chris a moron but i just cant stand people who bash the things i like for no good reason.

Cole
11-14-2002, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by BG
Lets all be ignorent and try to convince everybody how the simpsons suck! First of all, it's ignorant. Learn how to spell an insult before using it. And it's the viewer's opinion of the show. Some liked it, some did not. The purpose of this thread is for viewers to share their opinion of the episode, not to persuade others to like or dislike the episode.
Originally posted by BG
I mean all you people do is complain give it bad ratings and you call your selves fans.So a fan of the series must like every single episode of the series to be considered a true fan? Give me a break.
Originally posted by BG
i just cant stand people who bash the things i like for no good reason. This forum allows debate. People bring forth their reasons for liking or disliking episodes to back up their statements. So far, I've seen you state why others are wrong for disliking the episode yet you have stated no real reason why they should enjoy the episode.

Blue Phoenix
11-14-2002, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by BG
Okay lets all be like Chris and lets look at the negitive things in the show.Lets all be ignorent and try to convince everybody how the simpsons suck! thats what i hate about critics all they do is complain much like you people! there are a very few people on this board who have anything positive to say about the simpsons!I mean all you people do is complain give it bad ratings and you call your selves fans.Im not saying you shouldnt point out the shows flaws but you could be at least a litle more positive and you could stick up for a show you like instead of bashing it. Ill admit it was a tad harsh calling Chris a moron but i just cant stand people who bash the things i like for no good reason.

For starters it’s spelled ignorant. Second of all your petty insult holds little water when your calling into question the intelligence of somebody who has much more articulacy and writing syntax then you do.

Here’s a life lesson for you, write it down it may save you some embarrassment, the quickest way to lose a debate is to call the opposing side stupid, because that means you yourself are not intelligent enough to respond in any meaningful way and are taking unrelated cheap shots. This makes you look foolish not the other side.

Third of all what do you mean by ‘you people’ if you mean fans who examine what their watching and try to understand what the writers intended then I take that as a compliment. The reason I say bad things about The Simpsons is because I AM A FAN. If the show had maintained it’s quality from Seasons 1-9 then you would NEVER hear one word out of my mouth bad about the show. Would I still pick apart every episode and state what I thought worked and what didn’t, of course I would. I can do the same thing with my favorite movies for example “Pulp Fiction” I can talk about for hours examine the little aspects of story telling. I put as much effort into that as I do ‘criticizing’ things. The difference is if the writing is good I won’t complain.

He didn’t bash something you liked for no good reason. His reasons are well thought out and make sense. If you would have READ them you could have understood his point of view instead of simply dismissing it simply because he doesn’t praise the show like a clapping seal.

You’re in no place to call anyone else a moron; if anyone looks foolish it’s you. If you can explain in coherent terms why we should enjoy this I’ll give your words more credence. Just do it without using the ‘it’s a cartoon it’s supposed to be zany and funny’ excuse because it’s about the biggest coup out, piece of crap debating tactic I’ve seen.

I Am Lion-O
11-14-2002, 07:55 PM
Not Great but a lot better than most of last season.

Jake
11-14-2002, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by D'oh'ses
kids are rough, i give this a 4.5/5. my favorite part was the tom petty song about school, just the way he said it was hilarious. also the part when mcjagger yells out the window at homer.

McJagger...is that like McDonalds? ;-Q

Anyway, I only think this episode recieved good reviews around here since there hasn't been any new 'normal' episodes in a while. Had this aired in the middle of the season, a majority of votes would've been probably 2/5's or lower.

Jake

Jake
11-14-2002, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by BG
I mean all you people do is complain give it bad ratings and you call your selves fans.Im not saying you shouldnt point out the shows flaws but you could be at least a litle more positive and you could stick up for a show you like instead of bashing it.

It's because we give a shit we type out our feelings on the matter. If we didn't care, we wouldn't type a thing, or just not watch the show at all.

Ill admit it was a tad harsh calling Chris a moron but i just cant stand people who bash the things i like for no good reason. [/B]

Okay, Cletus.

nowhere
11-15-2002, 07:25 AM
Strummer is on Kazaa now.

Token
11-15-2002, 08:58 AM
I'll search for it, so I can watch it again.

Marco
11-15-2002, 09:22 AM
Just got it from Kazaa and watched it.
Meh.
I'm no particular fan of Rolling Stones nor Guest stars in general, and this ep relied pretty heavily on them for the most part,so i wasn't impressed by the sheer "presence" of them.
The first act started out pretty good, with the highlight being Homers "confession". It was a Homer i didn't expect to see in these episodes, and the reaction of the family pulled in nicely the second act. The whole camp thing was just a showcase for guest stars as was presumed but i think they pulled it off too much "jerkily", only random scenes featuring one gues star at a time. And Homer going back to his childish dumb self. Enjoyed the presence of the other Springfield people too.
Third act.. average, it smelled of "already seen" and was very predictable... if not for the chase scene. Wacky but funny. :)

I'd give it 3/5, just because of that first act particularity.
Otherwise it was just a big showcase of guest stars with some laughs here and there.